Who Is Responsible for Zhang Zhijie's Tragedy?
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- 🎬The Zhang Zhijie incident has sparked widespread discussion. Who should be held accountable for this tragedy?
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They should not move him in a stretcher. Instead administer CPR immediately. They missed the golden time of within 5 mins to save him
Anyone who didn't see this as an immediate life threatening situation is really ignorant. Truly a shame.
Obviously he could be saved. Unfortunately, the people there was unable to fathom the seriousness of the case. I hope it will never happen again.
RIP young man. Deepest condolences to his family.
One word for the medical team :
"NOT PROFESSIONAL".
@@dedotdedot7365 he died hours later , do you perform CPR or AED device to someone still breathing?
Damn, the moment they raised his jersey during the ceremony brought me to tears. To think he's only 2 years younger than myself is heartbreaking. RIP
IDK how the medical staff are even employed. CPR and AED use is bare basics of medicine, especially for someone who may be having a cardiac event with loss of consciousness... Shame on the medical staff and shame on the officials.
I live in Indonesia and our medical system is real bad 😢 so can't do much
His team official also need to be blamed,they didn't do proper medical check up on him before playing
@@NurSyakirah-v4n Maybe you should learn what is Cardiac arrest and how it happens. There are many sports Athletes don't even know they have abnormal heart Rhythm even with frequent checkups and sudden cardiac arrest that will happen. That is why, Medic team is there in the first place isn't it? But the so called Medic team doesn't even know CPR or AED .
I saw the woman umpire in all-black burqa raising her right hand. Did she prevent the coach and others to approach the victim? Was it until someone went to talk to her and she finally put down her hand and the medical team was allowed to enter the court? Was it a rule that without her (the umpire) permission, nobody was allowed to go near the victim?
You should blamed the organization who held competition because theyre responsibily for equipment, safety of medical team. And they're responsibility for verification of medical gear, procedural preventive.
How can organization held competition if the standart of medical team is not enough.
The medical team was clearly not prepared for such a situation. This young man might have been saved had he received immediate and proper care. Oh, and that dumb rule must be changed too.
One word :
"NOT PROFESSIONAL".
@@zzy341didn’t you watch the video?
HIS TEAM OFFICIALS ALSO NEED TO BE BLAMED!!!THEY SHUD'VE NOT LET HIM PLAY ON THAT DAY,AND ALSO THEY DIDN'T DO PROPER MEDICAL CHECK UP ON HIM
@@dedotdedot7365that’s two words
@@idoasberger1015 That's entirely not proper. In sports, Accidents will often happen. That is Why Medical Team is dispatched in the first place in every Tournaments. If every athlete will cause no accidents , why would all sports prepared Medical team in each event or tournaments they held. Think, at the very least.
The Indonesian medical personel seem doesn't know what to do just standing there waiting for medical team to come. Very unprofessional...
He was still breathing and have a beating heart in the court, you CANNOT DO CPR to a breathing and a beating heart person. What resuscitation should they perform? The person was still conscious and alive. The medical team DID THE CORRECT PROCEDURE to take him immediately to the hospital with INTENSIVE MONITORING through out the journey to the hospita.
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More like a volunteering staff instead of medical team
Obviously the golden hour of resuscitation was not implemented for better outcome.
He was still breathing and have a beating heart in the court, you CANNOT DO CPR to a breathing and a beating heart person. What resuscitation should they perform? The person was still conscious and alive. The medical team DID THE CORRECT PROCEDURE to take him immediately to the hospital with INTENSIVE MONITORING through out the journey to the hospita.
@@AdrianbudimanI think you need to see the video of a Malaysian Indian Doctor explaining why Zhang Zhi Jie needs a CPR .
What a sad state for a medical team from Indonesia. What's more absurd is the BWF's two-step rule before attending to medical emergencies. The umpire and referee probably aren't even trained to detect medical emergencies, why not just let the medical team in the first place at the sign of collapse and what seems to be the player convulsing?
He was still breathing and have a beating heart in the court, you CANNOT DO CPR to a breathing and a beating heart person. What resuscitation should they perform? The person was still conscious and alive. The medical team DID THE CORRECT PROCEDURE to take him immediately to the hospital with INTENSIVE MONITORING through out the journey to the hospita.
@@Adrianbudiman And which part of my statement did I say to do immediate CPR? I was referring to the DELAY IN RESPONSE. Reading comprehension please...
@@Adrianbudiman He was said to be not breathing normally, so immediately giving him oxygen and other breathing aids should help instead of just waiting for the ambulance to arrive.
I am an Indonesian living overseas.While watching the replay, I immediately thought: "Oh no, the "medical team" WON'T know how to deal with this situation". And I was right. I am so sorry to the Chinese people. In Indonesia, we have the worst standards in Health and Safety... I think it is right to criticise the Indonesian government and all so that they know how terrible the organization is. The government website, for example, is full of bugs and errors. In some small public healthcare, the staff do not accept emergencies after hours because they want to go home. And lots of other ridiculous things. And yet all the people sitting in the parliament get all the luxury and money.
I doubt they know how to perform CPR and AED at all. Try to ask them to do it, I swear they probably can't do it. Medical team here in Indonesia is a joke
I am so glad that you are living overseas.. I'm finding ways in my company internally to get transfered to overseas and to change my citizenship..
I know other countries have their own issues as well but I'm just fed up with the issue in Indonesia..
That doesn't sound too different from Malaysia.
@@tumastrouve I would not be surprised if some of the "medical" staff would refuse certain basic procedures required of them in emergency response situations because of "religious" reasons.
@@kindface people from Indonesia go to Malaysia for medical advise ad treatment but no news of Malaysian go to Indonesia to seek medical treatment
bwf！they just aimed to make money instead of taking care of sportsman actually
When I started watching streamed matches. I discovered players are getting injured when the player step on the tapped carpet during play. its not rare and it happen often. And bwf doing nothing until now. So maybe in the case of the death of the Chinese player they will do nothing
Exactly ! BWF is so poor until BWF can only care about money . After the Paris Olympics 2024 badminton final , I really want to boycott BWF by not watching badminton anymore !
Dont call them medical team if they dont know first aid. Let's see how bwf react
More appropriate to call them stretch carriers.
Reminded me with the historical incident in Thailand when the Queen herself died by drowning because of the law states that nobody should physically touch the Queen.
There is an often repeated myth that the many witnesses to the accident did not dare to touch Queen Sunanda Kumariratana, a capital offense-not even to save her life. However, this was not the case; the King's diary records that boatmen dived into the water, pulled the queen and her daughter from the entangling curtains, and carried them to another boat, where attendants worked in vain to resuscitate them.
I'm in the medical profession....CPR and AED are imperative. We're in the 21st century for Christ's sake.
Indonesians believe their religion would save him. Oh nvm, he does not practice Islam.
he died hours later in the hospital , do you perform CPR and AED device with someone still breathing ?
@@M_Jono CPR is performed for those not breathing. AED is used to monitor heart rhythm, and will self-administer shocks to try to restore regular heart rhythm. I’m shocked that AED was not used immediately. Usually, it will be attached to the person all the way to hospital.
@M_Jono obviously you know nothing about health-care.
@@cwk614 I am doctor in indonesia. Believe me, even in clinic or ambulance in indonesia is not provided with AED or any emergency tool. AED in indonesia is an expensive stuff. I doubt all doctor in indonesia know how to use AED.
I'm Indonesian
I think that's Indonesian Fault, the Medical team looks not prepare and slow with that situation.
I'm sorry for all chinese people and for Zhang's Family My sincere condolences to you and your family. I am deeply sorry for your loss.
medical team in that indonesia event should be held accountable too in some ways.
man, the way he collapsed is hard to watch
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If you don’t have a competent medical team for the tournament, you should not even be granted approval to host the event by the sporting federation. Who audited them?
It's not a matter of rules or referee, it's a matter of people ;
if you see someone suddenly falling and starting to shake, just run to him or her and provide help or call for help wtf.
Rest in peace buddy😥
Referee have ZERO humanity feeling. I hope he sleeps well EVERY night.
Indonesia people mostly like that..lack of humanity
@@lancewood1410watch video.. the refere raise a hand wtf
@@dhem-ln9ze raise Your Lou Mou.
@@dhem-ln9zeI am afraid the umpire raising his hand means the umpire wants the medical team to stop first by not going into the badminton court .
Medical team, umpire, referee and the stupid rules! Also, I never knew there were also people who wait for orders to save someone in the name of obeying rules, dumbest ever!
In the problem , umpire or referee not competent , can't to see the player fall was crisis or not , Soo . when coact want to check the player umpire still scream out don't nearly the court ( about rules the game BWF ) . Soo. I,m not understand Umpire or referee insensitive of event
Dumb
Medic team inexperienced not giving immediate CPR on the spot after going into the court. Look at how the medic team sprang into action in one football match when Denmark player collapsed
The organizer! CPR equipment wasn't available and frankly isn't common in Jakarta. The standby medical team also suck.
i think it's grossly rated to call them medical team, all they know is to spray cooler on leg, and in ZZJ's case, massaging his leg when ZZJ is having convulsion and irregular heart beat.
Dude, suddenly collapsing like that is not something to be slow about!! Wth is the medical team and umpires are doing??!?!! This is crazyyy!!
I think in this case, everyone really had a hand in this.
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CBA - Not performing necessary screenings to make sure athletes have no underlying heart condition. (Malaysia does! Two young prospects were possibly saved by this)
BWF - Lax to no standardization of medic (and medical kit) requirements, no protocol for umps in case of emergencies, and worrying amount of mishaps in past World Tour events:
Medics did not have tape for Tunjung, Beiwen had to give hers (Kumamoto 2023).
Johannesen knee injury, Shi Yuqi had to be the one calling for the doctor (Singapore).
Jonathan Christie falling off the wheelchair (France 2022).
Adinata's knee injury, but had to bend knee for transport because they had no stretcher (Malaysia Masters 2023)
BAC/PBSI - medical team is totally unprepared (no immediate CPR???), no AED, designated hospital too far away.
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All of them, every single one of them, had a hand. They all have to sit down and realize what went wrong. Rewrite regulations. Make sure this is the last one.
It is so sad to see a young man die of heart failure with a so called medical team and all the officials not even knowing the seriousness of the situation or do CPR and deciding to wait for the medical team to arrive. A shameful and disgusting behavior and preparedness at an international event. Speaks a lot of Indonesian badminton organization, staff in attendance and medical team's credentials.
What a shame on Indonesia medical team..no medical equipment ready for emergency.. Dont involved in such a big tournament if your country is not ready especially medical team.. 😂
@@tswong2409
Medical Team?
You are wrong !
Nooo,....they are stretch carriers team.
😂 🤣 🤣 !
THE CHINESE SHOULD STOP USING DOPING OTHERWISE THIS WOULD HAPPENED
@@Juwitauntan-ym3ttproof please... don't simply shoot
is that what indonesia call MEDICAL TEAM!??? they come in without any MEDICAL KIT .. they just bring stretcher.. and put that poor athlet on the stretcher and Walk out!??
what a shame.....
@@Juwitauntan-ym3tt why you haven't answer @engchuankoh237 ?
You talked 🐃 💩 if you cannot answer him.
we lost a young talent. How the deal with the issue is so unprofessional something has to be changed
My heart bleeds…😢😢😢 I feel sorry to everyone who held him dear ❤️🇵🇭
Cardiac arrest at 17... I wonder if he had some sort of heartcondition as well?
Cardiac Arrest is not common in young people, but it could happen commonly. That's why people need to be ready, That's why there's ''Medical Team'' .
Most sport ativity will increase the risk.
Could genetic play a role perhaps?
Many youth dies suddenly due to sleep deprivation.
Covid vaccines
I hope they learn from this tragic event. Team and local support must prepare for these kind now...
What’s really crazy was I was looking at Zhang Zhi Jie’s profile and videos a day before he sadly passed 😢😢😢 I was shocked…Jie’s dedication and spirit will remain in all of our hearts RIP 😢😢🙏🙏🙏
That's crazy. 40 seconds delay and the medics did nothing until taken to hospital.
Gone too soon. RIP, Zhang Zhijie
ass rate medical team should be sued
RIP,Young man,you are the best!
@@hailongchen7484
your path suddenly stopped by stupid rule.
The empire should call in the medical staff immediately not waiting for few minutes
Maybe PBSI should disclose who are their medical staff, and how qualified they are.
Any experience medical staff would have known the severity of the situation and ignored the referee.
The blame game starts. BWF would say the rules are for operational purpose and not cast in stone. The on-site medical team (including doctor), if experience and well equipped, can override the tournament Referee and proceed immediately to attend to the player. How much of the rules will change would affect all organizers and if it sways too much to one side, more will not want to be the organizer. In any tournament, regardless of sports, all athletes participate at their own risk. That is the dark side of all sports. With that said, we acknowledge the risks involved and pray that the venue/organizer does understand and provide "sufficient" medical assistance in time of need.
BWF needs to review their medical response team. They must all carry portable heart/BP machine, AED and ever ready to perform CPR. There also must be a doctor available at all times and minimum 2 nurses.
This is the 2nd most important junior badminton tournament and Indonesia does not even have the bare basic medical equipment. AED is common nowadays and it has proven to have saved lives.
I am still a student under RED CROSS supervision, but even I can assess the situation and provide the necessary first aid procedures. This unfortunate situation could have easily been prevented if there was an assigned doctor in the building. It is a sports tournament, therefore medical problems are unavoidable. The medical department should be sent back to school because they are not responsible enough.
Rest in Peace, Zhang Zhijie
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Yaar I literally cried
How they can do such a huge mistake
Is life of people is more important than anything else
You know what I m indian but I didn't miss even a single game of China , South korea, Japan and last important one Is Mera pyara Bharat
Literally I cried , we can't loose such a talented player
Just think about it he was only of 17 years. His future was much brighter ....😭😭😭
What are the laws on AED availability in other places? Where I am, they are legally required in public places like schools, malls, community centers, sports facilities... odd that medical staff didn't have one
I'm Indonesian and you can't expect us to have the same regulations as developed countriesl. Even many of ambulances here do not have complete equipment😢
@@akarifuyuki9763I was about to say this. Developing nations will lack many safety protocols and trainings, that’s why it’s still developing. It’s a lesson learned and I hope at least there some changes, especially if Indonesia wants to continue hosting sports events.
@@OlivierSriprasert Yes. Badminton is a sport we're best at so something like this happened is embarrasing. I hope change will happen in the future.
this still didin't answer...who was really responsible? The medical team? The rules?
his coach?watching the first 30 seconds???should take action faster than anyone on the court
Don’t blame the coach. He wasn’t allowed to touch his player, not that he didn’t assist. Some kind of rule implemented.
@KatJade269 im sorry i didnt know about the rule. Things happen. So sad.
I saw the woman umpire in all-black burqa raising her right hand. Did she prevent the coach and others to approach the victim? Was it until someone went to talk to her and she finally put down her hand and the medical team was allowed to enter the court? Was it a rule that without her (the umpire) permission, nobody was allowed to go near the victim?
@@KatJade269 If if you to blame, blame the woman umpire in all black. Why did she prevent and stop the coach from approaching the victim? Why did she raise her hand for so long? Was the medical team waiting for her permission to enter the court? Why did she raise her hand? What was that signal mean? Why did she prevent others from saving the collapsed player?
he was stop by the umpire..
Definitely the umpire's fault! Preventing anyone to approach, including the coach. If the victim had something to say which could change the whole outcome, would the medical team understand him? What's the point of following rules during a life and death situation?
I feel sad for this young man RIP 😭♥️💐
It's a wake up call for IBF to train med. Team a CPR if possible the referee and umpire too. 40 sec is quite a long time for the med team to arrive "WHERE WERE YOU ALL"
Yes, where were they, it’ll cause brain damage as well so sad, wrong place at the wrong time. May his soul R.I.P. pity his family .
Assessment is needed if a country is capable to host any events
RIP Zhang Zhijie ❤
that coulda been a future lin dan. but is there any info on what happened? like did he have pre existing medical history or anything?
Does anyone have a clearer and longer video of the event? From what I can see from available footage, it was obvious that none of those people performed the basic assessment of ABC: airway, breathing, circulation. No one opened his airway. Was he breathing? As I don't see anyone giving him artificial breathing, he might still be breathing. But, when someone collapses, shouldn't you at least hook up oxygen even if he's still breathing? No one reached out to feel his carotid pulse. Was there pulse in the first place? Where's the AED? Is it not a requirement to have AEDs available on-site in such international tournament?
They just squatted around him waiting for stretcher to arrive. Then they dumped him onto the stretcher and brought him to hospital, without protecting his airway! There is a reason why in ABC of cardiopulmonary resuscitation, A comes before B and C. If he was unconscious, why did they let him lie face up like that, without opening his airway? Allowing his tongue to fall back and occlude his airway? Allowing him to choke on his own saliva and vomitus? Why the rush to transfer him to a hospital before his condition is stabilized? The golden rule in CPR is to NEVER transfer any unconscious patient, until after you have stabilized him.
czcams.com/video/IqGcCYZ89W0/video.htmlsi=8s_iekifOPbvfmiC
Indonesia medical field quality is below of that of Malaysia, Singapore, and Australia, they are 20-50 years behind. And also, here in Indonesia, Malpractices by Doctors, Nurses, etc, are frequently happening everyday, without any investigastion, because our government is super corrupt.
Reminds me of LCW repeated plea for BWF over the years to change that falls on deaf ears.
He had cramps that could have been turned life threatening during the 2013, when lin dan reaccounted the incident.
Before he wad diagnosed with cancer he did questioned the back to back tournaments requirements to maintain rankings.
Now hes again asking when is the tournament scheduling so compact. Not allowing space for atheletes to recover...
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RIP 願天堂也有羽毛球
那個全身黑包頭的女裁判需要負責嗎？是她阻止教練上前查看，醫療隊也是等她把手放下才允許進入球場。爲什麽她看到有人倒下，趴在地上不動，卻舉起手不允許別人去查看，不允許救人？
@@GoodGood-vb8gm 照理說應該是要主審和發球審查看後都同意才能叫醫療團隊 並且要同時叫裁判長
This event Clearly was a life threatening event. Performing CPR Immediately will have save this Young Man.
This raises a huge concern in sports matches and facilities. The fact you have to wait for approval to perform life saving measures is a ridiculous rule. The medical staffs on site might be great people but they definitely were not prepared and were in panic mode wasting minutes.
he have 5 to 10 minute to save and a live..how dare people around just look for 4 minute? OMG...
😞Rest in peace,Om Shanti🙏
These medical team needs to be arrested
At 17…is crazy😔
Basic first aid could have saved his life
What a tragedy 😢
i think one of the cause is immense training of their player. this is the first time happen. they not prepare for this medic only can give first aid only but for this heart attack not enough trained. rip..
I was shocked nobody started immediately performing CPR per the DRSABC assessment... Do these people not have any training?? And no defibrillator???
This is something which has never happened in badminton(I hope it is true) clearly no one thought that this could be the case.But hopefully it becomes an eye opener and please remove that dumb ass rule.How will umpire know the severity of the situation.Idek what to say...like its hard
This rule should ONLY apply if the umpire is a medical doctor .
@@dedotdedot7365 Bro if a player calls for help come immediately.There is a very famous scene from one of Indian movie(Munna bhai MBBS) in which the protagonist complains about the stupid rules of hospital where form filling and completing all formalities is given priority before taking charge of the patient even if its a critical siruation.Same here.If player yells come immediately
@@dedotdedot7365An AED next to him.
You're wrong. There was many cases of players die while playing badminton. Me myself also had sudden heart attack while playing badminton. Markis Kido and Jung Jae Song die while playing badminton.
@@michaellim146 This is sad.I didnt dig deeper into history before making the comment.I hope you re doing fine now mate
My heart is filled with rocks after watching this and eyes with tears almost😭😭😭
in an emergency situation, every second matters. 40 secs were enough for line judges, service judge, and umpire to start checking for pulse, breathing and if required, initiating CPR...instead of waiting for the medics.
Nobody. nobody is responsible . The medic were fast enough. And nothing else could have been done to save him.
Indonesian medical team. Definitely. They should be sued in internatioanl court.
Everyone involved, even the opponent was derelict in his duty to help. He just stood there. Who cares about rules, the reaction of everyone was like driving by after seeing a crash and just watching rather than rendering assistance. Disgusting
"His duty to help"??? Another idiot comment blaming a teenager who has no qualification to give first aid!! "He just stood there" He was in shock!!! Do you really expect a non medic teenager with no qualification to do what the ADULTS should do instead??? And what if the situation got worse if he did something to help?? Who will take the blame then?? YOU are the disgusting one.
Hello, the opponent was also young boy like him. What help could he have given? He would already be traumatised from this event.
@@csking6377 A reaction, go to him and see if he is ok? Im not suggesting he perform CPR, but he could've at least went by his side, would've realised it was urgent and got medical straight away
@@Dude-etiquette Of all persons in the immediate vicinity of that court - so many referees, umpires, medical personnel ... all adults and trained professionals - you pick on a kid? And expected him to get medical help? A reaction? His reaction was shock and confusion. Is that normal enough?
That was a space of 40 seconds and you are likening it to people driving by after a car crash. I'm not sure you have any logic grey matter.
@@csking6377 I'm picking on everyone involved. But I accept your point about the 17 year old. The umps, coaches etcs were a lot worse
Medical team are to be blamed. No one could do a CPR..very sad. Could have been easily saved
It took them A DAMN YEAR to come and see what was wrong with him!!! SLOW ASS PEOPLE!!
Negligence, irresponsible and incompetent medical staff
One important factor for the sport men to note is that they should be well hydrated at ALL TIMES especially at games where their bodies are dehydrated from aggressive sports. A dehydrated body will cause the blood viscosity of a person to be high and thus may cause problems of cardiac arrest.
unfortunately very common in a third world country like Indonesia!
no one can replace him
Shame on the medical team, shame on the officials, shame on BFF for low quality of regulation and athlete wellbeing, shame on team officials... we lost a young talent because of your negligence
Once collaosed shoukd have immediate attention. Not wait for referee delayed a lot
Response of Medical team is pathetic...😢😢😢RIP
no immediate CPR is what i see
The medical assistance is too slow, if the medical personnel and ambulance was swift , he could be save..
Very very saddened by this tragedy, taken way too soon.
It's very sad. Too slow a respond. "Rest In Peace" May Go Bless his soul. Our deepest condolences and sympathy to his families and friends.
From the BWF statement , they expressess the apology to Chinese Badminton Federation upon this Incident
As Indonesian , i would like to say this incident should be a tough learning for medical team for more preparative attitude especially sports event won't be safe from incident like injury
This boy was born for badminton ! Even with the multiple convulsions, he held tight to the racquet ! He was badminton and badminton was him. Rest In Peace my dear boy !
The huge sound of the trumpets may have triggered the symptom. Annoying supporters
Rest In Peace Zhang ZGhi
At your young age your not deserve to died early
Condolences to the Family
😢😢😢Sending Love from the Philippines
Sheer Negligence! AED should have been there.
Yes according to the clip after the boy collapsed, a man; I think must be the coach was rushing into the court towards the boy, but the umpire sitting up there stopped him; so this man stopped in the midst n watched as he cud not not help the boy. So why didn't the umpire, at least come down n see what's happening. I wud think an umpire's job is not just to referee the game but also must not be oblivious to what is happening especially inside the very same court he/she is umpiring after all this umpire is in charge inside the court.
The refree and the medi team are not up to standard
Cannot blame the emergency team alone. This was a very unusual case. He could have spent too much time on Internet the night before.
Stupid organisers and rules!
Are they even medical team? Didnt look like 1. Blur and no urgency. Indo in joking
It is just his destiny 😭
the way he collapsed, the first time i saw it, i honestly thought he was faking it. It looked so unreal. Really sad to see such a young soul lost.
In indonesia, even in clinic, you will not find AED. Even not all doctor in indonesia know how to use AED. Pity. For indonesia, medical team is just unnecessary addition to complete the regulation.
I don't know real situation on the field. But, i assume the medical team not used to handle rescue procedures on the field. either because of nervousness or lack of training.
I did cardiac life support training for many time. But it will forgotten if you have very rare case or practice.
Indonesia should more professional in many thing
It's not so much the delay, it's the wrong medical emergency response.
Medical personnel only prepare for hidding in the toilets in the hour of any emergency.
wasted lives due to the the organiser not having proper trained staff!!
They should perform CPR 😢😢😢,,why the medical team take responsibility too slow 😔😔😔
Man i so sad after watching he triying to stand😢😢😢😢