Most Improved: The New 2023 Toyota Prius Prime Is the Biggest Surprise of the Year!
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Roman does great reviews, but I actually like Tommy's reviews even better.
Nice way to say, "His son does better job than him"
Romans reviews are way to bias.
Not me
Like 'em both for different reasons:
Tommy's encyclopedic knowledge and his love for unhip oddballs shows his true passion as a bona fide car guy.
Roman's rule of no shorts is silly too. He doesn't know we don't watch for their fashion sense.
I’m 6’5 220. Got to sit in the standard Prius 2023 and lowering the seat made head room just fine for me! I am coming from a 2005 mustang.
Have a good day everyone....Thanks Tommy and TFL CAMERA NINJA 👏👏👏
Have to say I feel PHEVs are a great balance for those who might like a BEV but not afford one. The range and charge time can definitely be improved. If Toyota wanted to
I STRONGLY dislike the old Prius but you know what, hearing Tommy’s enthusiasm makes the car a little more endearing to me😅 genuinely made me smile
Curious what you dislike.. They are a fantastic daily driver... reliable, super practical, and efficient. A little boring to drive.. but not that bad.. and not as bad as its reputation.
I outrun people at stop lights all the time.
As a Prius owner I concur. I don’t want to go fast, I want to get 45 miles per gallon and get A to B. If I want to drive fast I’ll hop in my V8 Lexus and burn some gas. Can’t wait to be able to afford the 23 Prius!
I don’t think anyone who wants to go fast would be looking for this vehicle but those of us who do freeway driving do care , some of us don’t like to be behind a 18 wheeler and would like to pass it asap
You can still get 50+ MPG and have enough power to pass people
I'm in the same boat. What V8 Lexus do you have, an F model?
Love this new Prime. 2 things i would change if I could are the back seat room and the bigger wheels on the xse. The 19’s are more expensive and really affect mileage. Maybe by next year when the car market is more sane I can find a dealer that will swap wheels.
I’m with you. I have a 2017 regular Prius three touring and I absolutely love it. I didn’t go for the prime because at the time it only seated 4 and the battery pack in the trunk does have significant reduced volume compared to regular Prius.
I am in love however with the new Prime
love your review ☺. Make a comparaison between the first Prius and the last plz !😃
Tommy is a great presenter, love the new energy, been watching for years
I hope Toyota builds enough of these to meet demand, and hopefully dealers don't rip people off too badly.
With the headroom issue on the new Prius, I'd love to see the return of the PriusV, which was a sorta Prius wagon/estate
What headroom issue? It looked like Tommy had about 2" to spare. The base and XSE without the "sunroof" option has even more space. At 6'2" I have no issue with the XSE version.
FINALLY a reviewer gets it. The Prius is an ENTHUSIAST'S car, it's just not about being loud and fast. You want maximum miles per hour, go to Porsche, Ferrari, the usual suspects. You maximum miles per dollar, you look hard at a Prius.
"Miles per hour? Psssh...miles per dollar!"
I always refer to my ‘22 prime as my high performance vehicle, just a different interpretation of what “high performance” means
wife and I have owned a prime since the 2017 modem 2 of them actually about 30k on each great road trip car and our commutes are done on EV mode we save a ton on gas charges in the driveway overnight. Very good overall literally nothing besides oil changes done
How many miles do you have on them? Should I buy a used Prius? I'm afraid for the battery to be bad.
@@ne9835
Age plays a bigger role.. My Prius is 14 years old and still on original battery, and has 423,000 miles on it. Should be no worries until 10 years old at least.
BTW.. the worst thing... is a low mileage Prius.. The batteries hate to sit unused.
The Prime.. pre 2020 had only two seats in back not three. So if you need to seat 5 people, get one that is 2020 or newer or don't get the Prime model.
Great review. You need to do more....🙂
I love the new Prius! I ordered the XLE AWD here in Canada and wondering if I should order the Prime from a different dealership to see which one comes first! Also in British Columbia there is an incentive from the government 5K from Federal and 4k from the province which it makes it cheaper then the regular hybrid top trim Limited!
You should do the slip test on the awd version to see if they have improved on it
Abraham, was the old style AWD not very good on a steep icy or snowy hill?
@T R You are partially correct. The old one did engage from each start. And was free to disengage if no slip detected, perhaps it may have been north of 7 mph like you say. But anytime, and any speed up to 45 mph it would engage. But even if slip detected above 45 is where it had its limitations.
Apparently the (only) 8hp electric rear motor was enough to be real-world helpful. I'm still not sure if it had traction issues within 0 to 45. I think that's where there is confusion at times. I've heard that it lacked nothing going up steep snowy driveways, the only limitation being ground clearance. For my uses that is all I need.
Certainly if the new one has the Rav4 system then that removes the limitation above 45 mph. I personally would not miss that aspect.. perhaps only in rarest of occasions going up a steep slippery hill trying to go around slower traffic you could easily exceed that 45 mph threshold and would not appreciate it disengaging. And possibly as long as torque was never let off, it possibly may stay engaged faster than 45 and then only the limitations of the 8hp would come into play. Toyota of course, nor anyone else no matter how technically inclined to get into that level of detail, has ever gone there that I'm aware of.
For the much more affordable price of admission, I can honestly say I wish I could find a nice clean example of an old one..old enough to have a CD player.
The 4th gen never really bothered me that much in the looks dept. Its useful interior space counts for more, imo.
@@user-3tf67bk46u Is it possible, as an Audi Quattro driver, to change to a Prius AWD?
@@bafattvahetere Well, there's quite a few variables there with your question. If I knew you and your driving habits, it'd be a lot easier to try to offer you advice.
It'd be a transitional difference for sure. As said above a big difference is your Audi has AWD no matter your speed. The Audi is going to be a more luxurious ride in a number of ways, interior quiet, ride, handling, steering, power/speed etc..the list is pretty long. One advantage that goes to the Prius is it's going to be shockingly more reliable and on fewer dollars than the Audi.
I guess if your question is more specifically to compare would Prius's AWD still suffice as your traction requirements, you'd have to describe more when and how you use the Quattro's AWD.
Plenty of taxis here are Priuses. However extremely low backseat means the new one will not suit for taxi service anymore.
Are these cars unfinished or do they have some sort of road cleaning vacuum at the front? I haven't seen anything like it since the Edsel.
Absolutely love my 2017 Prius Prime. That being said the 5th gen looks fantastic and I wanna test drive one
We currently own a 22 prime and were thinking of upgrading because of the extra battery range, but I am not sure it is worth it for us. A number of reasons, first the interior, my wife does not like the interior color on the new Prime, also not having AWD sucks. With the price of the prime being about 6k more than a equivalent AWD non Prime, and her commute being about 80miles a day, it would actually cost her about $25 a month more to own the Prime over a 5 year period. Soooo not sure if we are upgrading or if we are just going for a non Prime AWD
I prefer the back end of the old Prius Prime and the front end of the new Prius Prime. I also prefer the interior of the new Prius Prime over the old Prius Prime. 👍
Hilarious. We had. Actually still have a 2014. No comparison. We just picked up my Wife’s new Prius that we ordered 3 months ago. Paid MSRP 37k. And now there’s a 8 month wait.
I’m a Chevy truck guy. And have no desire for a new one.
We just picked up my Wife’s new Prius that we ordered 3 months ago. Paid MSRP 37k. And now there’s a 8 month wait.
It actually a sweet ride for a smaller car. I’m a full size truck guy.
I have a 2017 advance one and I average about 225 MPG! I am waiting a couple of years to get the newest generation one. This is the best/ most efficient car I've ever owned . My other car is a 2019 Nissan Armada and the Prius Prime is so efficient that we still get over 100MPG between the two cars and we only average 15 MPG with the Armada (8 MPG when I tow my travel trailer).
Thank you Tommy, for great review I think PP and Prius 4th gen. Is such under appreciated car how efficient it’s is. And in terms of being environmentally oriented we need efficiency more then anything else. I own and Prius Prime and have 110kkm and it is incredible car. With original look. EV efficiency is incredible and the hybrid efficiency is incredible. The car hold value like nothing else. And true driving hybrid is a different driving but it can be also dynamic enough and still efficient. Now the new PP looks great and I like more power.
Agree with you Tommy, the famous TFL GQ spokesperson.
I'd like to know what the overall gas mileage or driving mileage is.
I have the 2017 model, almost 60,000 miles in, oil changes & tires are only thing done I love it!
This new one is sweet! Tesla would likely be my next car God willing, but I’ll definitely be keeping the new Prius in mind just in case
Glow up of the decade eaaaasily!!!
No grown man should ever utter those words.
@@cup_and_cone I'm not a grown man, sorry to disappoint you.
Finally looks like a car, not just a Prius
I am so happy to see ..... This channel 😂😂😂😂
What I the price difference mpg to change vs gas
Love my 2017 PP+
This is high on my list to replace my gen 1 Chevy Volt. This Prius getting >40 electric range will cover 75% of all our drives, including occaisional road trips, and then the gas mileage is significantly higher.
How about getting the latest version of the Chevy Volt and compare the prime against it. I'm not sure if the Volt is available anymore, but a comparison would be pretty interesting.
Interesting how? Chevy doesn’t make it anymore.
2019 was the last year for the Chevy Volt.
Why? There’s no comparison in style and dependability.
@@ewxlt The Volt was one of the first mass produced plug-ins and it would be Interesting to see the advances Toyota has made and the similarities both cars have. If you've seen a mash up by TFL, most of the time they don't make any sense, but in the end the mash highlights the differences and the similarities. Maybe I shouldn't have said "Comparison" in the initial post.
@@donE37100 Fair enough. I'd watch it.
I have the 2017 Prius Hybrid I love this car I am 6 ft 2 in tall and I fit easily inside it I doubt I would fit in the new model Also the new model is lower to the ground I find my Prius is so low it is hard to go over any obstruction and the front bumper is always striking things
I have a 2017 Prime. The first thing to do on any Prius 2004 or later, is to go up one tire size and pump the tires up to the max load at max psi value on the tires. I went even larger than that (205/70, just barely doesn't scrape) for even more clearance, but am returning to just one size up, 205/65R15. Better handling (maybe due to better tires, hard to say) and every little bit of clearance helps. Pumping the tires up actually adds more clearance than the size change, so in the short term, you can just do that.
Almost bought new prime last fall, but couldn't use the credit. Could now, but no credit. Still planning on buying if available, suspect I'll have to order and wait, which is only inconvenient.
I have owned a 2017 Prius Prime since December 2016. It now has 117,500 miles on it and we still love it. I took it to Toyota last week for a brake job as there is a squeak so I thought it needed one, but no, it still has 7mm of pad on it and they only recommend changing when it gets to 3mm. The gas we have saved has been fantastic. The only complaint is how close to the ground it is, but that's it. Other than that, we love it. With only 10,000 of the 2023 model coming out this yera, we will keep ours and maybe later leave Toyota since we can't get another Prius or Rav4 Prime.
I have a 2017 Prime with 108K miles. Love the car. At 700 miles, I gained 1/4 inch of ground clearance by switching to 205/65R15 tires vs the stock 195/65R15. I also raised the pressure to the max load at max pressure spec on the tire, ignoring the door jamb number. That added more clearance than even upsizing the tires did.
Then at 64K miles when those (Michelin X-Ice3) wore out, I went to the max height tire that will fit in there (it actually rubbed slightly one time pulling Gs in a road dip) with 205/70R15. I'll be switching back to 205/65 when they wear out, because the handling was absolutely perfect and the clearance was OK. The 70 series just doesn't handle as well, and gets squirmy in crosswinds. Still OK if you really need max clearance.
I replaced the original brakes on my 2005 Prius at 230K miles. On the Prime, I had to do front and rear brakes (myself) at 100K miles. Kind of surprising, though I did drive it really hard under full throttle and full braking for a couple of hours on a trip out west on twisty mountain roads, where it absolutely ruled the road. Much faster cars literally had smoke pouring out of their brakes by the time they realized they could not prevent a Prius on snow tires from passing them in 100+ degree heat through huge ascents and descents full of hairpins and short straights.
So does this car not charge as it drives like the older ones you have to plug in at home?
You never have to plug it in, unless you choose to. That was true of the 2017-2022 Prius Prime also. They are a PHEV, but function perfectly well as a hybrid, which is what a regular Prius is, with no option to plug in.
Can the gas engine charge the battery?
Yes it can. All Toyota hybrids can be charged by the engine.
Check out Weber Auto's channel if you want a detailed breakdown of how Toyota hybrids work.
In a Prius Prime, when the battery is displaying below 80%, you can hold down the EV/Hybrid mode button for a couple seconds to put it into Charge Mode. That will charge it back up to 80%, then revert to Hybrid mode holding it around 80%. So you could start out a trip in city traffic, use up all the EV mode miles, then put it in Charge Mode (hopefully not still stuck in traffic, best at that point to just let Hybrid Mode decide what to do) once moving on a road, to have it charged back up for another city or traffic jam before you have a chance to plug in.
Basically, try to use up the EV miles at the lowest possible speeds, to keep the engine off for a longer time on the clock.
In a regular Prius, no, you cannot decide when to charge the battery, hybrid mode itself makes those decisions for you.
I'm surprised it's still under 30k....
It’s dealer marked up. I’ve seen a few going for $45k
@@realdavidpayne wow.....
The regular Prius starts around $28k, prime maybe $35k
@@realdavidpayne why is somone paying that lol
They aren’t. We just picked up my Wife’s new Prius that we ordered 3 months ago. Paid MSRP 37k. And now there’s a 8 month wait.
I’m a Chevy truck guy. And have no desire for a new one.
Where is or has been your jeep Tommy??
The charge rate is a non-issue. It would be nice to have 6.6 sure, but not really necessary. My 2022 with a much smaller battery rarely needs a faster charge even if making several trips in a day - and I normally charge on L1. L2 220V is plenty fast when/if needed. The rear seat headroom and required 19" wheels on XSE are the biggest disappointments. I'm still very tempted to trade up.
He reminds me of doug from hangover, great video though❤
I wish they had put the dashboard, powertrain, and suspension improvements into the old body. As it is it’s pretty impractical for us tall guys. Too bad, when the news of this thing broke I thought it’d be my next car.
Another deficiency, in my opinion, is the lack of a rear-window wiper.
MY LOCAL TOYOTA DEALERSHIP HERE ON LI,NY ASKED FOR $10,000 over MSRP
I REFUSED AND WALKED OUT OF THE DEALERSHIP
Someone will walk out with the car, maybe not for $10K over, but not $0 over, either. Sure, dealers suck. But if they didn't charge over MSRP, then people would buy and flip it for over MSRP. With current supply and demand, it's simply worth more than MSRP. Waiting that out is a strategy, but how long it will take to work, is completely unknown.
great delivery car.
I own the old Prius prime 2019 and I've never had the engine kick on while full throttling in EV mode.
I think you're thinking about the Prius Plugin 2016. Lol
Definitely the Prius plug in would kick on the engine when flooring it. That was one of the issues I had with it.
In the 17-22 Prime, it usually won't kick on in EV mode, but it's not absolutely guaranteed. Mine has. The car does whatever it needs to do to protect the battery, especially in extreme weather or under prolonged hard use.
44 miles EV range sounds perfect for maybe putting gas every 4 or 5 months, all whilst charging at home overnight. But if I got one I'd swap those wheels for something smaller to trade for a cushy ride, maybe 15" wheels.
It’s interesting that they essentially took all of the positive and negative attributes of the Chevy Volt when building this car:
-similar 0-60
-swoopier sportier styling
-compromised rear seat space
-compromised visibility
-40-50 mile EV range
-smaller cargo space
As a former Volt owner, I like this way more than the outgoing model, but the Prius has a dedicated following for many years - and a following that generally is more interested in practicality than it is in styling and speed. It will be interesting to see if those prior gen Prius buyers go to the new model or transition to something like a Corolla or Corolla cross hybrid that preserves more of the traditional Prius function over form.
Car looks amazing.. the reduction in usable head room makes it useless to me though.. to bad.. I think they could have raised the roof line 2 inches and still made it look good.
I would get a Camry Hybrid instead.. its almost as efficient, and almost as quick... and should be quieter and more comfortable.
I owned a 2018 for 5 years. Loved it. I'd buy one again. Don't like the new design
Actually the Prime is 364 pounds heavier than the standard Prius. 3461 vs. 3097 pounds
How is it only 96 lbs heavier than the regular Prius when it has a battery that should be several hundred pounds heavier than the regular Prius battery?
It's not; 364 pounds heavier.
@@barryb.2611 At around 4:52 in the video, Tommy says it's only around 96lbs heavier....which is why I asked. Your response seems more plausible.
Old one has better visibility better gas mileage. Heated seats standard. More space for passengers. Better ride arguably. Better coefficient of drag. Aluminum hood bragging. Carbon fiber hatch bragger. Fancy curved glass for aerodynamics. Cool. The new one while striking is still just an egg like GEN three.
I guess he wasn’t around when Ford went from the Mustang II back to the Mustang.
From the design standpoint, it's great. From the interior ergonomics standpoint, taller individuals will feel cramped. Bottom line, they'll sell a lot of these newly designed Priuses.
Way to go another wholesome vlog tommy love you champ hope your still practicing singing in the Jeep bud this summer we need a sing with kase lol
Correction... the Gen 4 PIP will not disengage out of EV only mode when wide open throttle. If the car is set to Auto EV then yes, but if set to EV only mode the car will not kick in the combustion motor.
Like everything written about every Prius or Prius Prime and when it turns the ICE on, you're less than 100% correct. The EV Mode selection on it is NOT an absolute guarantee that the engine will not come on. It is much more of a guarantee than EV Auto is, but it is still far from absolute.
There are times when my 17 Prime will accelerate in EV Mode, all the way from 0 to 84mph with the pedal to the floor, without the engine coming on. And there are times when it won't. Even in EV Mode, the car looks at 100 things, and decides when to abandon its plan of keeping the engine off. If the battery state of charge, battery temperature, available power, throttle position, actual power output, actual acceleration rate, or any of a long list of things aren't all looking OK, it will turn the engine on and make them OK.
There are 100 caveats about it, but it boils down to "The car will protect itself at all costs, including turning the engine on unexpectedly, to try to do what you're commanding it to, without destroying itself." Basically, engineers in Japan decided that they didn't want to wreck the battery, and they also decided not to ignore your request to accelerate hard, in case you floored the pedal to avoid getting rear-ended, for instance. They used some good engineering judgment, by not kicking the engine on at full throttle to give max combined power in case of emergency. They figured, if you wanted that, you would have selected EV Auto rather than EV. But if EV acceleration isn't up to what you would normally expect in EV Mode, due to limits kicking in to protect the battery, they will "save you" by pretending you'd set EV Auto.
It's a very smart system, which usually appears to do what you'd expect. But it will toss that out the window sometimes, for reasons you might never figure out.
@@EfficientRVer Interesting....I've been driving my 2019 Prime since buying it new and while it's in EV mode I've never once had it automatically disengage. Not saying that it's not possible, but very very unlikely. Only time it's popped out of EV mode is when the battery is depleted and the ICE kicks on. Maybe i've just not been in a situation where the car felt it needs to protect itself. Thanks for the comment.
@@caymandiver75 I live in NH, so maybe you live somewhere with less severe winters. Most of the times it has unexpectedly kicked the engine on, it has been very cold out here in New England, or extremely hot out in the desert in summer. My 2017 Prime has almost 110K miles on it. The battery is still like new in terms of battery health according to scanners, what range I get out of it, and charging time.
As it ages, I push the battery hard less often, and when I do, it seems that the chance of it kicking the engine on unexpectedly goes up slightly as the years continue to go by. Any changes are subtle, and may be coincidental or imagined, but in all cases it seems to make sense, and it seems that they programmed it really well to not let you do anything that would hurt it.
But as far as the engine kicking on in EV mode before exceeding 84mph some times, I've definitely seen it at least a couple times per year since new. Most seem to be obviously to protect the battery under harsh conditions or hard driving. A small number of times )less than once per year) it has seemed to be random, as if it's performing some special procedure a certain time or distance after something else. Maybe "time to check the evap emissions system again, and I don't care whether you're in EV Mode or not". Something like that would go undetected if you were in HV mode, but obvious if you're in EV mode and the engine kicks on. Whether it's things like that, or just a glitch, I don't know, but I'm so impressed with how well it manages everything, that I assume it's not a glitch.
Trivia question, how many tomes did Tommy use love in this video?
Toyota screwed up lowering the roofline. Aside from the loss of headroom, the peak of the roof is pushed back compared to the old Prius or something like a Tesla Y, which isn't good for drag, so they needlessly cost an mpg or two there. Pity because everything else about the new model is good, though some might debate shrinking the tailgate somewhat in the new one. I'd love to see under all the styrofoam inserts in the bottom of the trunk because I suspect it could accommodate a spare if there were a mounting point -- unlike the old Prime.
“I am my father, I am my father, I am my father.”
This is a home run for the segment.
Only complain is the price : Since this car doesnt qualify for any Federal rebates (state rebate still available), you are looking at 46K+ (with tax and fees) at the top trims.
Understand the inflation + Shortage on resources might be the primary cause of this. IMHO in a perfect world, loaded Prius Prime should be under 40K with everything included. Again, we are talking about the perfect world, we aren't in one.
Nice car but I think I like the Prius LE, XLE AWD better.
Tommy I own that exact red Prius prime (and a wrangler 392 lol), but you are exactly right! The prime is an enthusiast vehicle for the reasons you state: excellence at intended mission. The space, comfort and efficiency of the Prius prime is just nuts. Love the new style but I wouldn’t give up the spacious cabin for it. I don’t really care about more power on a Prius, I can cruise at 100mph if I want and I’m not racing anyone.
I have a Prime (I call its color "Anonymity Silver") and I agree. Out west on an empty road in an undisclosed location, it was even still accelerating decently when it hit 104mph indicated and acted like that's what the cruise control was set on.
The car goes plenty fast, and due to regenerative braking, would do pretty well in most racing situations where straight line speed/acceleration aren't the only factor. The few times when I wanted to pass a much faster car, which didn't want me to pass them, they'd almost set their brakes on fire on roads with straights between many hairpins, before realizing that they actually did have to decide between letting me by or setting their car on fire.
While the Prime is great for trips to the store completely in EV mode, I'd not have bought mine if it also didn't get better hybrid mpg than the regular Prius. In that sense, we're lucky we got the 17-22 generation of the Prime, because if I were buying a 23, it would not be the Prime, it would be the 57mpg combined Prius. But I'll stand pat with my 17 Prime. I have 108K miles and still love it, looking forward to another 100K or 200K.
🚙EV with engine👍
Ferrari Purosangue front end
I’d love one of there wasn’t any mark up and under 5% apr. Otherwise this Prius would probably be 38k out the door
I really like the new 2023 Prius Prime, but HATE the ugly red seats and red dash accents. Will wait for 2024 and see what they tweak based on customer feedback.
The new Prius' lack of head room, and AWD option, are examples of why the car market in the US and Canada is dying. Cars either lack all wheel drive, or the AWD option takes out the performance features. The Camry is a good example of this, where AWD is only available on the 2.5L. The V6 and Hybrid could utilize AWD much better, and would keep more people in cars.
I think the 2022 looks better
The new front is much better looking.
rather have more headroom than that wedge shape
Not me
TOYOTA ❤👍🏻
Toyota did it right finally. Existing owners will buy them and theyre going to pull in people who’d never considered them before. Theyre gonna be in demand for a while Im guessing.
They'll lose a lot of existing owners, I think. No self-respecting current Prime owner who has 54mpg EPA combined, is going to like dropping down from 54 to 48, just to get a bigger engine with more horsepower. Especially considering that the engine will only be coming on, on many fewer trips than with the old one. Stupid decision by Toyota, if you ask me. I'll stand pat with my 2017 Prime.
But on the other hand, I presume it will easily beat EPA numbers by A LOT, in decent weather with a driver taking it easy. So, then the downsides of the new one just become reduced interior/cargo space, and the stupid wheel/tire choice. They took low-slung and relatively heavy car that had clearance and pothole problems in winter, and put stupid bigger wheels and stupid 50 series tires without any sidewall height to protect them, on it, as if everyone drives like a boy racer on smooth roads that never freeze. Totally unsuitable choices here in New England.
The low-clearance, big-wheel, low-profile tire trend has gone too far. The 1989 Chevy Suburban I ordered from the factory had 15-inch wheels on it. A current Prius should not have larger than 15 or maybe 16 inch wheels standard. Let the boy racers replace sensible stock wheels with whatever they want, but don't force me into stupid and expensive wheel and tire sizes. But it's not a show stopper to me, until the day when they make the brakes go out to a radius preventing you from putting reasonable sized wheels on. (Mercedes does that a lot, forcing you to stick with 35 or 40 series tires that get destroyed on potholes, along with the wheels.)
@@EfficientRVer You realize not everyone has to deal w/ crappy roads, right? Also, you mayve missed it, but the big wheels are optional...no one is ‘forcing’ them.
I agree that it would be really nice if they could have made AWD as an available option. It's the only issue with the vehicle itself that might keep me from buying one.
Im surprised they only get 57mpg. My friends 89 honda accord gets about 55. with a carburetor!
You need to compare apples to apples, meaning EPA mpg to EPA mpg.
Anyone can put 50psi in their tires, and drive 40mph with an egg between their foot and the gas pedal to beat the EPA number by a lot. Anyone getting 55mpg in an 89 Accord can get 80mpg easily in these cars. I can do 82mpg laps all day long in my 17 Prime in good weather, just a bit over the 80mpg I got that way in my 05 Prius.
Also, 55mpg might have been downhill with a tailwind on a trip down out of the mountains. Don't believe any number that isn't doing a lot of laps and stopping back at the same starting point.
Sorry, I have owned several Prius's since the Gen 1. I still own one, but now I also own an all electric car. I plan to replace the Prius Prime I still own with an additional EV. With thousands of fewer moving parts in the electric car it's a far more reliable vehicle than the Prius will ever be and it will never need gas, oil changes, and ICE engine maintenance. The only draw back is a temporary one. Too few charging stations. But that is changing every day. Did you know that Tesla is converting all it's Super Chargers to work with all EV's? Not just Tesla's? A friend of mine recently drove his EV from Tampa, FL to Toronto and back. No Problems and NO GAS purchases. In fact his car came with 2 free years of charging in the US, so the trip was almost free except for food and hotel stays and a couple of $10 Canadian charges. Hybrids, like ICE cars are rapidly becoming modern dinosaurs just like ancient ones that fuel that them. 🌅
Fewer moving parts is less maintenance IN THEORY...but the Prius is already proven as one of the most reliable cars on the road, and EVs are still in their early phase and have some issues. Also software isn't a moving part but many issues can come from it.
I bought a 2001 Prius in 2000, drive a 17 Prime now, my daughter has a 21 Prime. I used to own several cars/trucks, but am down to one since retirement, and I think the Prime is an excellent choice for a person or family with only one car.
I've owned many great cars in my life, and right now I'd not trade my Prime for any of them.
I've done every repair on every Prius I've owned, and never had to wait on parts. Not sure that would be true on a Tesla, they are so anti "right to repair", so "pay if you want us to enable a feature via software", so "the part will be here in 3 months". Not sure I want my car software updated automatically by a company I don't trust. People can say what they want about Toyota, but they are a very known and reliable company with very known and reliable cars. With aftermarket parts available, so that even if they go out of business tomorrow, it would not be a problem for me.
As a PHEV owner, I know that 99& of my charging happens at home, so charging infrastructure barely matters most of the time. But as an owner of only one car, I know that my own roadtrip routes are not even 10% as well supported as Tampa to Toronto is. I spend 3-6 weeks at a time camping in places with zero charging infrastructure. It's not even worth carrying the L1 EVSE to try to charge.
Only one place I visit has added chargers, and it is in a big way, dozens of Tesla chargers in Quartzsite AZ behind a burger joint. When even 2 chargers are somewhere within 25-50 miles of everywhere I spend time, I'll probably be willing to take the plunge from PHEV to EV. In Nevada, I'm encouraged that there are now chargers in Tonopah, Beatty, and Mesquite. But I'd want some in Alamo or Caliente; Austin or Eureka. In NM, not having any in Socorro, Grants, Quemado, Alamogordo (has an AFB and a missile range), Roswell, Carlsbad (has a National Park), and many other obvious places is just a showstopper.
The charging infrastructure is OK for traveling major highways, but many places I go, are an hour or two drive to even GET to a major highway, then maybe another half hour or hour drive along the highway to a charging station.
Maybe there's a way to figure it out with L2 chargers, or RV parks to plug my own L2 charger in, but spending all day at an L2 charger, or staying at an RV park isn't how I travel, and there's not even a public 120V outlet within 25-50 miles of many places I camp. So, during seasons when I need to run the car AC or heat to sleep, it just doesn't work yet.
I think that in the short term, EVs are fine for people who have multiple cars, or just use them for commutes, and road trips not far from major highways or populated areas. They're still not the "go anywhere, do anything" vehicle that an ICE or PHEV is.
We need L2 chargers everywhere, for starters. Or if that's too expensive, even just a "bring your own EVSE" outlet in the style of a 50A RV outlet, even with 30A wiring and 25A breaker would be great, to let you charge at 24A and add 18ish mph of range, allowing 2 cars per standard "50A RV" electric service.
Or 60A wire, 50A breaker to add 35ish mph of range, using the full RV electric service for one EV. Insert quarters, bills, or credit card, get that amount of charging. We're talking laundromat/carwash/RV-park technology, not expensive infrastructure projects and people stealing public EVSE cables for the copper.
Just searched the official Toyota web site for the Prius and it states "Production of the Toyota Prius has been discontinued." It then redirects you to other Hybrid models??
A huge improvement from Toyota. I love the redesign and increased range. A good consideration to swap from my Clarity. And finally a real dashboard. The interior is just okay though. Not a huge fan
Call me crazy but I think the out going model has more characters. They should have done more to differenciate the Prime from the regular Prius.
It's not worth the money, Tesla 3 is too close. Great car if you don't compare though. I have the 2022 Prime, will go full electric in 2 - 3 years
It took Toyota over 20 years to realize this vehicle needed much more than a facelift.
The whole video is full zooming in and zooming out.....makes you dizzy AF. Camera person need to step up the game.
I wouldn't compare that car with a Porsche 911 GT3. I don't like electric cars at all, but I have to admit that it's not so bad. Thanks for the video Tommy.
Agreed don't compare it to a GT3 next TFL will compare it to a electronic scooter
@Frugal Family Living Dynamic art haha
New Prius. Not availible as a BEV 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ what a bummer! This car is gorgeous, but a ICE/PHEV is a big no-go!!!
Well that was confusing! He spent the first 5 minutes raving about the previous generation, while calling it the current generation. Like, why are you reviewing the last generation?
33K $ for a Prime when Corolla LE is 23K $...10K$ can buy a lot of gas ..and no need to worry about replacing the Battery $$$...
You worry about replacing a battery that has a 10 year, 150K mile warranty?
test effeincy of charging with engine vs engien alone with no charging at all.
New prius has 8k to 10k dealership markup 😅.
Nope 🤡We just picked up my Wife’s new Prius that we ordered 3 months ago. Paid MSRP 37k. And now there’s a 8 month wait.
I’m a Chevy truck guy. And have no desire for a new one.
@@zoobrizz nope. Ive called and emailed 4 toyota dealerships. 8k mark up.
I got a 5k markup
I feel like I just watched a review for the 2013 Chevy Volt. All the good and bad of the Volt, but probably more reliable.
Tommy, Thanks for standing up for tall drivers and passengers instead of making excuses for Toyota's totally impractical Prius redesign .👏👏👏👏
Being 6 feet and 1 inch tall I to would probably not be comfortable in the new Toyota Prius Prime.
What’s the big deal about AWD? A good set of snow tires will make a much greater impact.
Try going up a decent hill with good snow tires that hasnt been plowed. Even the blizzacks will do absolutely nothing for traction.
@@PineApple-bs8rt Have you heard that the old AWD was deficient in some way. Someone here asked if the new one was 'better'. I hadn't previously heard the old one was weak on an icy or snowy hill. Its only restriction was kicking out at 45 mph, which I could live with no problem.
I'm still amazed by the number of people who think the world is flat. And doesn't get freezing precip. People are only interested in their own little world and if they've never personally needed AWD, they think no one else does either, lol
Toyota needs a lesson on how to name it's vehicles.
XLE = Base Prius AWD, LE = FWD
XSE = Sport Prius AWD, SE = FWD
XLT = Limited Prius AWD, LT = FWD
It doesn't matter what they call the Prime models.
Will sell like hotcakes
Actually looks fantastic, but I would never own one simply because of the type of owners they attract...everything from Uber/DoorDash drivers, suburban Lesbaru types, and sloppy lackadaisical owners that beat them into the ground.
So basically Toyota built a 2nd gen Chevy Volt. Save yourself 15k and find a used volt. Good review but the cars not worth the price tag
Toyota has finally considered what the car looks like. Previous model made me cringe every time I saw one. The backside from hell and micro wheels.🤮
My high school car, a 4000 pound 1966 Fury VIP with V8, had 14 inch wheels. My next 4 or 5 cars after that, had 13 inch wheels. I love that my 2017 Prime has 15 inch wheels. It lets me have tall enough sidewalls to not destroy the alloy wheels on potholes, etc. You couldn't pay me enough to put 18 or 19 inch wheels on a car.