New Honda XL750V Transalp
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
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There’s no middleweight adventure bike from Honda for 2022. So, I’ve come up with some theories as to why the CRF 650L, or even a CRF 750L, Honda Transalp, hasn’t come back.
Chapters:
0:00 Start
0:34 Intro
1:11 They won’t do it
2:38 They can’t do it
3:31 Powered by bunnies
4:26 They’re working on it
5:25 It’s too late
6:01 Summary
Do you have your own theory? Let us know in the comments below.
Thanks for watching :D
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Never mind the Transalp. I'd be very happy with a CRF/L with the CB500 motor.
Amen dude. All i ask is a 400cc+ engine (not an enduro engine though!!), and an extra inches of ground clearance. They don’t need to over complicate it or spend fortunes on R and D. Just tweak what they’ve got, call it a crf500L and watch them sell in the thousands.
Same CRF Rally with 500CC and I'm in . I will be happy having 50 hp at 180 kg
Yeah, agreed - why wont they do that! Cheers :D
Cb650x would be great
Surely someone could do this in their garage/shed? 😉
sold my heavyweight Africa and sick of waiting for the transalp so bought a cheap as chips Himalyan as a stopgap and bloody love it
Ha! I bought an AT because I got tired of waiting for the Transalp. Looked at the Himalayan but I need something that does effortless highway miles and offroad. Glad you like it, they’re an iconic bike.
Me too, and I’m really enjoying that single underpowered bike, well if you know how to use it, it’s certainly not that slow… and it’s a really fun bike to ride
Royal Enfield is offering simple, reliable and low-priced bikes, while Triumph and even the Japanese are getting more and more complicated and expensive.
Honda can simply not ignore the market and the hole in their mid weight section. My opinion ? I think that they are taking time to develop a bike that will be just as perfect as possible, they are waiting for the Tenere 700 trend to breath out a bit, they wait for other brands to release their own to analyse, and they play on people impatience. In other words: they want to release an amazing bike, at the perfect timing, where people expectation are at highest, and while other brands won’t have anything else to release.
When people's expectations is the highest? I'd say people are getting tired of waiting and look for other bikes available.
@@PrimoStracciatella no, meaning the more you make people wait and shimmer about something, the more they want to buy it. It’s a well known commercial-marketing practice.
As Itchy Boots showed on her Africa trip, there's a key reason for buying a Honda: Sheer reliability! Honda don't really need to fear competition from Cagiva and their likes, whoever goes on any real adventure trip will make the safest available bet and buy proven quality that will last thousands of miles without causing a tech-induced headache, not some semi-Chinese experimental.
While Honda hesitate, Yamaha cashes in. I heard that Royal Enfield also are about to release a ~600 cc adventure bike, a totally new design. Maybe that's why Honda are not even trying to get their foot into that market again, REs have proven good quality at unbeatable prices. They will drain a lot of the cash available in that segment.
A 650 with crf 300 rally looks would be great.
Now you're talking! Cheers :D
The perfect bike.
With v-engine please...
@ Thijs Dekker lucio rosetto Bert Broeder Motoeuro
Well spoked! Even better as a light and low-tech futuristic Paris-Dakar based on Honda CB125X with 500cc + 650cc. Spot on ;->
@@dualsportscandinavia353 I see Honda is launching its new 2022/2023 XR650L but not available to every country.
Good low-tech simple bike to maintain.
I bought a 2019 AT DCT and am enjoying the ride while I wait for Honda to decide just the right time for the release of such a significant bike like the Transalp.
Yamaha was 3 yrs teasing the T700, but sales don't lie - it's been a winner. Hopefully, the TransAlp will be Honda's T700, if a little late to the party.
I have a 2008 TA, and am looking forward to an updated version with a return to more off-road capability. As I read in one comment, a CRF500L with the CB500X engine in it would do nicely, thank you. Fingers crossed 🤞😁
The justification about the saturated market does not seem to me to have foundation. Just look at the success of the Africa Twin in a market riddled with super adventure bikes. In the same way, it could be the leader in sales in smaller segments, which is not only due to the good performance of its motorcycles, but also to the great prestige of the brand and its enormous approach to the public compared to other brands.
The justification based on presenting itself as a very different bike would not be detrimental, considering the success of the alien X-Adv.
The justification for the cannibalization of models, I think, is not enough for the company not to develop the Transalp, if we consider that anyone could prefer that their models compete with each other and not with those of other companies, such as CB500X vs. T7; on the other hand the CRF450 is intended for enduro rather than trail and the NX750 is almost 100% for asphalt despite its robust appearance, placing the Transalp as a 50%-50% (or 60%-40% in the worst case).
Contrary to any conspiracy, I believe that Honda is developing a product that can destroy the market as we are used to, and that is only a matter of time, because it does not matter who does it first, but who does it better!
Good points there Germán, cheers for commenting :D
It is good to hear / see you again as always!
Who knows what the truth actually is. One of the biggest issues is likely that most people seem to want 65-70 HP and 180 Kg. with a good selection of well done bells and whistles which is quite doable but very few people would be willing to pay the price required. ( for example, I can't think of one mass production bike that uses carbon fibre handlebars, brake and clutch levers, footpegs, seat base, fuel tank etc. Most people seem to want a very high standard but to only pay a relative pittance in exchange. That's plain impossible!
Keep up the good work and thanks.
Fair points there Niall, cheers :D
This is spot on. 50hp motor will mean easier to beat the 200kg barrier. KISS: bells and whistles off. Sell it for $8,500 and beat Yamaha at their own game. Too late to go head to head with the T7. Even Honda can't kill a unicorn.
I Own a 16 year old Kawasaki kle 500..60 plus to the gallon, plenty of power,handles and stops ok, been mega reliable.no fancy electrics either,and can be fixed at the side of the road with a fork and knife..seats a bit crap though.im happy with it.
Another great vidoe .Great style and enjoyable to listen 🙂👍.Even i am a owner of a big beast r1250gs after your videos and reviews i have a feeling i would like to own a smaller bike as well😉.Great Job .Keep up a good work and post more often videos 😜🙂👍
maybe we will see a crf1100 transalp? basically an AT with all the fat trimmed away. There is a company that modifies ATs into street legal rally bike that come in at around 180 kg IIRC. The mod itself cost about as much as a T7 but it proves that it is possible. If this is what they'll do and maybe go to a simple dash with a a simple 4 way selector switch rain/street/offroad/off for traction control and abs, I think they would be back in the game.
A new crf 550l to modernise the old xr650l is all that's needed. (Halfrica)
Good points. Addressing #1, I’d assume someone at Honda has done the analysis. Yes, a transalp would steal buyers from other Honda bikes. The real question is, how may T7 or Tuareg buyers would buy the transalp? So, they’d attract some new Honda buyers, while also cannibalizing some of their own sales. Surely part of the thought process. Along with the other stuff you mentioned.
Agreed, I wonder how many T7 riders and new Tuareg owners are trapped in a 3 yr PCP deal they cant get out of! Cheers for the comment :D
Thanks for following up. I am waiting to see whether or not to get this Honda or the Yamaha T7
Just my two cents as a long time Alp XL600V owner and a CRF250L daily driver. Love both bikes.
The new CRF300L though has more then plenty of power and a very good mileage. No need to move around with more cc's then needed, which is also a weightsaver and a cost saver. If you want a Alp, slap a sticker on a CRF300L rally. or a bigger sticker on a AT lol. 🤣
it is not pleasant to ride 5h on 300l at motorway speed - I wish they made CRF with 500x engine and I'm first to buy.
@@michaeljohanowicz8697 I drive a CRF250L on the motorway for several hours (100 kmph), no problem. But it possibly depends on what you like best personally. For me it works, but I would rather not drive motorways if possible. Slower speeds = more enjoying the world around (still going 80kmph though).
All Honda needs to doo is to put CB500 engine in CRF300l chassis and it would be killer bike!
The xr650l chassis maybe!
What's in name.
Just make a 500cc tumper with spoked tyres, some serious suspension and give it a retro look.
Maybe, throw in watercooling to meat those euro-norms.
Excellent video delivery, I'm a Transalp xl700 owner from South Africa, I love the bike so much, hoping that theory 4 is correct and it's still coming! :D
This morning talked to my local Honda/KTM/Aprilia dealer, here in France - the all new Honda Hornet 755 cc will be the there at December this year, he said. The same new 755 cc parallel twin engine will equip the new Transalp in spring 2023 according latest information. In my case I'll probably go with a real Tuareg - testrided today, and must say it's a amazing machine, best in category for me at the moment. If only it was made by Honda... :)
Very interesting, cheers for the comment :D
A new shed video, that'great. Seeing you with that crf250, commuting myself daily with a 310gs, seeing many People on CZcams having a blast on crf300's....who needs a Transalp
They are certainly making room for it by making the 22 NC750x lower and even more street focused. If all they did was make a version of the 750 with more clearance, adjustable suspension, and a 21” front wheel that would be a great bike.
Yep, but it's go be to lighter than 200kgs - I hope :D Cheers!
Totally agree with you there. I was praying they would make the NC750x more off-road focused than before then they went the other way! It could have been the unicorn. I started researching if you could swap the front end of an NC750x with the AT.
@@LaithKodi What did you find? I was hoping I could go the other direction and install some of the Rally Raid kit for the CB500x. I have the 2014 NC 700 and it’s very capable off-road, but a bigger front wheel would make a lot of difference.
@@narrator-timothymckean It was hard to find specs on the exact measurements. I think the diameter of the forks are different at 45mm for AT and 41mm NC750x. Also trying to find difference on trail/rake angle. I think the biggest problem would be the 21in wheels clearance of the engine when the suspension compresses since it has near double the amount of travel that the NC does. I'm sure it can be done but I'd probably get a shop to do it as it will definitely need some custom work. I've got the NC750s and I'm torn between upgrading to the X or switching entirely to the CRF 300 Rally because losing the frunk even to the most premium of bikes still feels like a downgrade and is invaluable when you use your bike everyday. Plus the combination of its power and economy is unmatched in the market. But I desperately want to be able to go off-road!
@@LaithKodi I think, they will continue to focus on fuel economy with NC. Since the fuel prices are going higher there always will be a market for NC. You'll need something else for adventure.
Just give me a LIGHT and comfortable 45 hp single with decent wind protection for a full size man. Please, Honda, by now you should be able to beat the XT660R designed 20 years ago.
As usual an interesting and thought provoking vid, thanks. You make some really good 'will they, won't they' arguments and, to be honest I had never looked at the new Transalp idea in terms of the possible detrimental effect it might have on the existing Honda range. I bought a CB500X five years ago when I got back into bikes, partly because Honda didn't make the Transalp any more and I couldn't find a used one at the time. It's a nice bike and I've always felt it was on the way to being a Transalp, just needs better suspension ( like Rally Raid's upgrade) and a bigger engine. Maybe the upgrades to the currenty model make the Transalp less likely, although I really hope not.
Cheers Patrick, thanks for your comment :D
Honda re-patented the name Transalp internationally in February 2021 so something is in the works. But I have to believe global supply chains are causing issues for all manufacturers and dealers here in the US are taking deposits for bikes due for delivery over the Spring and Summer. Then again, Honda moves at the speed of Honda. How long did it take for the NT1100 which is also late to the party.
I second this. It all depends on when they actually started development. I mean how long did Yamaha take to release the Tenere after trademarking it? Their concept bike came out several years before it released. My hunch is they're still working on it, probably slowed down some more with the global supply chain stuff.
I think you covered all the bases. I hope they are still working on it. There are so many points to hit to compete with the T7: size, weight, engine, looks, PRICING. No easy task but if anyone can do it Honda certainly can. But, like the points you made, will they? Is it worth it to them to cannibalize sales of other platforms? I think the big worry for me is that they will over engineer it and it will get an electronics package like the AT and be 30%+ more expensive. Honda, if you are taking this project on please keep it light and keep it simple!!! Great video as always!
Cheers Mark, you're spot on there! Less gizmos more moto - Thanks for the comment :D
Sounds great... won't happen. Look at their customer base.
I wouldn’t care if it was essentially a T7 Clone with a Honda badge on it and engineering in it. I’d even be willing to pay more for the Honda than the Yamaha. It needs to be able to take me pretty much everywhere except gnarly offroad. A true adventure bike without the all the fat. Maybe they could make 2 models like they do with the AT and as Yamaha might be doing with the T7. Then the fundamentals are the same, they can just swap in/out tanks, suspensions, rims, electronics etc.
@@SimonBrisbane Agree 100%
@@SimonBrisbane The one thing Honda has that no other brands got is the brilliant DCT. Make an uncomplicated, low weight & dirt oriented AlpQueen with optimal DCT. With Transalps legendary bulletproof reliability it will be a winner.
I had the xl700 for 6 years. at the end rust was formed on the swing-arm axle not allowing the removal of the engine for important repairs. my attachment to transalps abruptly ended at that point.
I might be foolish but I’d like to think they’d have that sorted before they get to production. The Tiger 900 owners are finding al sorts of premature rust and wear on them. Seems like Triumph are suffering the same old fate.
I can't believe you don't have a million subs, you are my favorite moto channel.
Cheers Brice :D Thanks!
Your the Man! I love your channel! You are so right!
Maybe they are working on that 650 turbo African Twin?
Keep up the good info! I am a new rider breaking my teeth on a Nc700x. The Transalp would fit the use for the mountains in Montana. In the meantime more ride time.
One thing for sure, I’m getting tired of waiting. Been a Honda guy forever but I’m about to jump ship over to Yamaha for a T7.
I’m exactly the same…. Have a 2021 CB500x and seriously considering taking the plunge on a Tenere 700….
It’s the the annoying thought of I will buy one then Honda will release the TransAlp
And it will be brilliant
@@Parkyste ha, 100% that’s when
I really really really really hope it's reason number 4.
If it's got lesser electronics, just the basic rider aids, no riding modes and gizmos, It's gonna be a brilliant bike. It must come out.
Hopefully in India too :)
I reckon it's been extremely difficult to develop something that can compete with Yamaha's T7 (performance, weight, price etc) within the limits of all the euro regulations, as they obviously can't put out something worse and more expensive ... so they're still working on it.
Some good theories there though, any could be the case.
F euro and their regs
Good points. To be honest, even if currently I'm a Honda owner (CB500X 2019), Yahama has much more compelling models - they're more focused. And light.
Honda has nothing really interesting in the mid range. The NC750X is nice, but it weights way too much and delivers little power for the size of the engine. The CB650R has a nice engine, but it isn't well suited for travelling and weights quite a bit too.
Considering they are working on a Hornet, which apparently will use the same engine, I'd say they will use the same engine for the Transalp. If they make a new mid range 750 series which make sense, I'd buy them in a heartbeat.
Cheers :D Yeah, the new Hornet 733cc could be the new Alp too :D
Well done. I think you covered it all!
Cheers Peter, thanks for watching :D
350 and 800cc with max 190kg wet weight ! A Transalp mini and Transalp Maxi
Idk... I have a high chance of being wrong here but their CB500X weights 200kg and only has 48 bhp in a twin. Asking 70 bhp at 180kg seems far fetched to me at this point.
KTM 390 Adv sits at 172kg and BMW 310GS at a 170kg both with a single and the Yamaha T7 comes in at 205kg, 73 bhp and a twin.
I doubt Hondas weight to bhp ration can be radically different from their competitors as they work in the same framework. In fact Honda is usually on the lower end in terms of performance.
So it would seem to be that a possible Transalp can either be >200kg, ~70 bhp twin or ~175kg, ~35 bhp single.
They could combine the twin of the CB500X with the chassis of the CRF 300 Rally that way you could possibly get
I agree with everything you said. I believe the Transalp will be a more road focused adventure touring bike like a Versys 650 with 17 or 19in wheels. If Honda made a 400lb -70hp bike they would have to compete with the T7 and that's just not going to go Hondas way. They will also eat into the Africa Twins sales which is exactly why Yamaha dropped the Super Ten.
Kawisaki was smart in not changing the KLR650 too much and keeping it as cheap as possible to not compete with the T7. Right now the T7 is a juggernaut that will change adventure motorcycles forever and we will look back on the T7 in 20 years the way we look back on KLRs now.
Right now I'm curious to see what KTM does with a 490 Adventure and if it will be based on the 500ecx with a single cylinder or will they make a new 500cc twin.
Love your channel! Cheers from Texas 🤠🏁🤠🏁
I hope you are wrong about it being more Versys like in its on road focused purpose.
@@markjones5235 I agree! Competition is good for the consumers but bad for the company. An off-road focused 650cc Transalp would kill Africa twin sales and the whole point of the AT is an off-road focused big bore globe trotter
@@IRLtrolls as someone else mentioned before I think…how many people bought, or here in the US, are waiting for a T7 over the AT? No question the AT is the Flagship adv bike for Honda but I really want to see that TransAlp!!!
Interesting analysis ! And I may say : you're absolutely right ! 👍
My Opinion:
TransAlp = Super Ténéré (Big & heavy 70% on road 30% Off) That's why they won't do a new TransAlp < It was a bad idea from the very start... < The dominator was a far better bike.
Aprilia Tuareg = T7 (Narrow & Light Great at both On & Off-Road) Considering that I'm a better rider ... I think I would be able to handle the tiny weight difference from the Dominator to the Tuareg. ++ More comfort which is a big ++ In my opinion, I think the Tuareg is definitely a much better purchase than the T7.
you're absolutely right
it's not feasible for the brand to develop something if it just means one more.
regards
I don’t even ride off-road, I just want a bike like this with Honda’s DCT so I can pay more attention to traffic and less attention to potholes, jutting slabs, and recessed manholes. An AT would be great but I don’t need that much bike. Looking forward to this machine.
I have a 2005 transalp with upgraded spring etc etc I would buy a new one straight away if it came out. Looks like I’ll go for tenere . Even triumph have a new 660 engine but no adventure version ? Strange
They working on 660 adventure - off road capable bike, only matter of time to see first spy shots. Guess the new adventure sport needs a bit of marketing first
Yeah, that 660 is ripe for a smaller ADV bike, Trumpet might be closer than Honda! Cheers for the comment :D
If Honda brought back the 650/600 transalp and the Dominator they’d sell out quicker than they could make them imo
If they added a higher spec CB500X with a non A2 engine output and wire wheels it would go over well. It wouldn’t cost much R&D so the cost increase would not be huge.
Yes will be nice, if they made front 21`
Agreed, better ground clearance and we're done! Cheers :D
Or a truly dirt-worth NC750.
I had an NC700 and it would be hard/expensive to make it light enough for off-road. The CB X is 200 kg which is similar to the T7 and 890. An “R” spec of the CB X could be priced below the T7 and attract the rider that wants to go on an adventure AND get home again after.
Exactly right…. You think they would be able to get 60-65bhp out of the CB500x as the engine doesn’t feel stressed at all….. spoked wheels and better suspension….. slightly better dash and possibly cruise control… £8k price
Honda's Dakar is the 250L's chassis with the 450 eng. And suspension. Basically the Honda Rally version with a real engine and suspension.
Very good points made .
Cheers Jonathan, thanks for watching :D
Fully covered.....
So, please Honda, prove him wrong 👍🏻
Next emissions limitation may promote use of turbochargers. I guess Honda is getting ready for it. Currently, mid advanture market is too crowded. Yamah T7 applied "scorched earth" strategy with its T7 low pricing leaving no room for anybody to compete in the mainstream. Honda will not join the likes of Aprilia or Agusta with a niche ADV model. With tubrocharges price tag would go high, but we could get a properly powered 550-650mid adventure with sub 200kg weight wet. And Honda wants to be the first one in this new category. Just a hypothesis.
Fair play, thanks for commenting :D
I stopped waiting for this bike and got a 2022 KTM 1290 SAS instead :-)
Superb light-hearted vid as is per usual. 😊 Most commenting don’t seem to understand what made the Transalp (especially the 600) so special is that it is a mid sized adv TWIN! that can do everything, road, dirt and 2UP and be competent in all. No single is ever going to do all three, especially a 300 😊 The CB500X is great but would need a 270 crank etc etc and still not be as good as a 700ish 270 crank purpose built TA replacement. Honda aren’t about coming in 2nd in any race, so imo they wont try to mod a CB500X. The funny thing is, my wife said a few years ago that Honda aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and make a cheaper more capable bike than their beloved heavy, fancy, complex and ever more expensive Africa Twin. Sold my AT and kept my Transalps btw. Personally I have all but given up waiting for a new TA. Cheers.
Good points there :D Cheers for the comment!
I’m planning a fairly long,maybe cross country trip this summer. I wanted SO BAD for the Transalp to be out by then! But I don’t think that’s going to happen! So I’ll probably take my old KLR or buy the new Tuareg.
Or the T7
that Tuareg looks fkn choice! the only thing that sucks is here in the states there is little to no aprilia mechanics/dealerships. plus idk about the reliability
I wish Honda would make the TransAlp. I’d buy it. Honda doesn’t make anything fast. Just look how long it took for them to get in to the sportSxS market
There will be a CRF 750 (will be presented this year) and there will be a bigger Ténéré, replacing the 1200. About the weight, yes I agree this is difficult. Since 200kg is a good weight for traveling long distance, the question is more, where to put the weight. I would say the perfect bike has 190kg, with a low placed fuel tank. This is absolutly possible to build today for a reasonable price. Let’s see how the Tenere World Raid feels like. And I also think, I could loose 10 kg myself… so this would reduce the the weight expierence even more ;-). Thanks for your cool videos!
Cheers Nic, rumour has it the new Hornet 755cc lump could be power the CRF750 - Hopefully this year’s EICMA in November will reveal all. Honda are so late to this party. Cheers :D
180 kilos wet weight and 70 HP, 21/18 wheels, 500 km range - I would take it! Wouldnt sell my Rally though….
I don't think 180 wet is possible. Yamaha are sticklers when it comes to weight and their adv bikes are at around 200 (Tracer, Tenere). Although the new XSR900 is incredibly light, it ain't an adv bike.
They should stick a 500 twin engine in the crf 300 rally
All great points!
Cheers Aaron :D Thanks for watching!
Great video, i have a 2000 650V Transalp with many mods, i"ll probably shoehorn An CB 500 engine in if it ever craps out( in 2035, it is a Honda).
So i think it's the money, allways the money, for development and loss of other sales. And ofcourse they're jealous at T7 'S succes, i testrode it and loved it. But for that money i can get 4 of my current bike.
Take the advice of an middle-aged cheap dutch dude: get a low mileage, last generation carburated, no techno crap bike of your choice and mod. it out.
You can use the rest € for ectually travelling, a bicycle mecanic in any small village can fix it for a few bucks and you're giving the finger to manufacturers not giving us what we want.
Wise words 👍 cheers for commenting!
Well, after thought, I think the reason for no TA replacement is a mix of your theories. ONE; YES, a new Transalp would be a better all round ADV bike than any of it’s current bikes, therefor taking sales away from all. TWO, It’s not ready anyway, both in development or timing either. Btw, lets not forget the new Hornet engine, is surely not just for the Hornet, so! My gut feeling is they WILL respond and news will be forthcoming and soon. Electric, jeez NO... not yet anyway ☹
Cheers for the comment 👍
You're absolutely right...it makes really no sense for Honda to launch a light and perhaps cheap adventure unicorn ... and nobody will further buy their too heavy, expensive, electronic-overload Africa-SUV-bike ... they are simply earning too much money with their "monster-automatic-adventure-bikes" and therefore they won't do it...but don't worry ...even if Honda and all the other manufacturers are waiting too long ... let's wait only a short time for the new 450 single-cylinder Royal Enfield Himalayan with 40 hp .... if this will be (a lot) lighter than the recent 411 model... this can be the game-changer from India - worldwide ;-)
Nice idea! Cheers for commenting :D
Africa Twin sales must reach break even before Transalp enters de production line
superb vid , my favourite bike, I had started thinking now that they may delay for a lecky jobby , wow that fantic 450 has got my arrection
Ha ha! Cheers David - Yeah the 450 Rally looks interesting but looks very pricy!
Another great video, Sir.
I would only consider a new TransAlp to replace my beloved RRCB500X.
Yamaha took forever to release the T7; perhaps Honda is playing the same game.
Thanks! yeah, propably, I just so impatient!
That definitely wasnt coffee in that cup. I set video speed to 1.25 to compensate:)
Good points...but Honda already lost against the T7.
Subscribed, great video, great points. I want a lightweight dirt biased Dual sport/Adv bike that weighs no more than 140kg wet with low slung rally tanks, real suspension and long service intervals. I'd settle for a Japanese built 701 or PR7 though. Still scratching my head as to why Honda never released the 450 Rally they teased us with. I bought a 450L and added all the parts Honda forgot to make it a good dual sport. Imagine a counterbalanced XR600 rally bike in a CRF450L chassis... $12K US maybe?
Perhaps Beta needs to increase their oil capacity and Rally/adventurize their 500RRS. That would wake them all up.
Honda CRF 190 trademark registered in India we don't even know it should come 😅 anyway Honda is Honda ❤️
So what you're saying is I have to buy a T7 or a Taureg 660
Nah, I want an ADV bike well below 200kg! Thansk for watching :D
I believe this is where Suzuki could step in and make a big gain. With the outdated DR650 having been removed from many markets, Suzuki could make a big splash with a twin adventure bike if done right. Just look at the Aprilla Tuareg and how many reviewers drool over it. There's a reason and it's because they addressed many things that a midsize adventure bike should be. If Suzuki were to step up to the plate with something similar, it's be a home run for them. But they better get on the ball while the ADV market is still red hot.
waiting for this bike and the ktm adv 490. maybe next year
They have already a very good engine (Cb500), they only have to develop a dual sport frame. kTM will produce 490 Adventure. I hope one brand will have a 50hp/180kg kerbweight dual sport bike. Something between KLR and Tenere riding ability.
Honda enjoys leaving all the business to Triumph. They could have easily brought the 650 engine to market in a road based Tiger 660 type package but they were beaten to it. I’m a Honda man, but they seem fast asleep these days. They’ve bizarrely brought out the NT1100 which I can’t see selling well. Best Honda these days are the 500s and 1000s.
Well there's always Ye Aulde V-Strom, which is basically the same idea : no frills, won't turn any head, but does the job everywhere, no matter what, and for a verrrry long time…
well done, all of you theories make sense...
We have already light adv bike - AJP PR7.
Already have 10 bikes but this is what I'm waiting for, so sales will continue....not intetested in electric.
Don't agree with point one.
KTM 399/890/1290
BMW 310/750/850/1250
And after that, people are not so loyal to brands, they will buy a T7 or a Aprilia if they want that kind of adventure bike, so it will hurt the Africa Twin anyway.
Yamaha take the Super Tenere in Europe because the bike it's not prepared for the new regulations, and the T7 its a best seller.
The only problem they have its they put the road nc750 on the adventure category...
I'm afraid that Honda won't bring any Transalp soon. Because: 1. A 2-cylinder motorcycle in Europe cannot be brought below 200 kg with reasonable effort. Neither Yamaha nor KTM nor Aprilia or anyone else can do that. And Honda is traditionally heavier than its competitors. So more like 210 or 215 kg. But that's very close to the lightest AT. 2. It's too late. The others were there earlier and skimmed off the market. 3. For the Japanese, the money is no longer in Europe but in Asia. Money is earned with small simple motorcycles. All shy away from investing in European motorcycles. A Transalp would be almost exclusively for Europe and maybe a little bit for North America.
Yeah, there's more profit in small single scooters perhaps - Be good to have an ADV bike well below 200kgs, wont hold my breath! Thanks for commenting :D
That's why I bought the Husqvarna Norden901...but my Alp600 is still in the garage😍🥰
I honestly think the new upgrades to the CB500X have pretty much ended the speculation on a new Transalp, as that now pretty much answers all of the requirements except some extra power that the Transalp may have offered.
Hell, Honda could just bring a out a slightly more powerful version of the CB500X, give it the ability to fit an A2 licence restrictor and call it a day.
I was a bit surprised they did that, but well spotted - Just needs better ground clearance too :D Thanks for commenting :D
As a CB owner I disagree. The CB lacks everything what a motorcycle that can do off-road and travel needs: spoked wheels, paramotor body, suspension and engine, not to mention the 19 wheel in front... to mount the Rally Raid package you spend as much as a T7 , at this point what sense does it make to have a 500cc? In addition, to have a bike that equipped in that way would be worth as much as a T7 but that no one would be willing to pay you ... it is certain that the latest model is a step forward compared to the 2019 version.
@@langotaroots1968 I second this, a transalp is what the 500x should've been.
If they want to compete with the tenere 700 and 890 adventure they need to develop a killer engine on a light chassis and make it comfortable and affordable. Unfortunately the reason they seem to be falling short in the other segments in comparison to other manufacturers. So i doubt it will happen how we want it to.
Actually a bike like this exists already, but unfortunately it's made by Aprilia - what a amazing motorcycle! Test rided this morning. Killer engine, KYB super suspension, perfect balance ( not top heavy like T7), 204 kg wet, but feels much more lighter than Ténéré, tubeless wheels, quicshift, intelegent electronics. Italians knows how to build the bikes. One thing that they don't - how to make them reliable :)
Yeah, pity.... If anyone could do this you'd think Honda could - cheers for commenting :D
@@crazyosva Ha ha! Yeah, thats always bugged Aprilia - surely in 2022 they've got that right, just a shame it looks...a bit.... not great..... :D Cheers!
@@crazyosva It would be a great bike without the electronics. I'll never buy RBW.
So many people say that Honda needs to be “affordable” but that means completely different things to different people. If Honda hit the sweetspot with the Transalp, they could actually charge a premium and many people would be willing to pay for it. Look at the prices of the T7. When it was first released ot was the best value buy in town. Now they’re getting more expensive and you still can’t easily buy one because they’re in such high demand.
I have no interest in electric bikes. ... you are correct in that the market is quite saturated .... there is a lot to choose from.
I reckon they could take it up to Yamama. Honda is the biggest manufacturer in the world. Even if it was more expensive than the Yammy I’d still buy it over the T7.
I think you have hit the nail on the head!! They don't want to affect the sales of other models in the range. Maybe they will drop the CB500x and the NC750 and slot the 'Alp in to that slot? Here's hoping, if not I think the T7 will own this market for the foreseeable..... Keep the videos coming, always enjoyed!!
Cheers Fergus, and thanks for the comment :D
The NC750 was recently updated. It’s very popular in Europe, they won’t can it. The CB500X is a hot seller and also had a recent refresh. I can’t see either going. They really should bite the bullet and go after the T7 with a P2 around 180KG. They will still sell plenty of the others.
@@SimonBrisbane I agree that they should go after the T7!! Come on Honda!! Sort it out!!
I wonder whether the crf850 might come when the AT makes the inevitable jump to 1200cc, then their lineup will reflect many others with a big bikes at the top and the so called "middleweights" just underneath.....it's nearly June 22 and there's still no sign of it....
I just want a cb500x with a 21 inch front wheel and offroad suspension. Oh and a different dang headlight
There's a whole row of new Africa Twins at my local Honda dealer. Can't get anything else offroad capable. Why? Because the fullsize ADV market is going soft already.
CRF450L Rally please... 450cc single with 'normal' service intervals. Job done.
Hello. I've got a feeling they're going to do a slightly bigger version of the 450l.
The demographic i.e. the market is shrinking (tough licensing laws, insurance expenses). 20-30 years ago Honda (and all the big four) would've had three variants of a Transalp kind of bike in 20 colours. Now though there's a paucity of choice - not to mention some bizarre decisions such as Honda's CRF450 making 25bhp and costing £10k lol. The bike nobody wanted and couldn't afford even if they did.
Here in the States we can't get "many" of the models you have shown here. Many states don't have any european motorcycle dealerships, no dealerships -no sales-no service-no parts. Honda would make sales cause there is a Honda dealer in every town.
Good points, cheers :D
Like you i was expecting Honda Africa Twin mid-size but after several months still nothing .....I bought a KTM 890 Adventure , great range , not too hight and not too big , a really good motorcycle Adventure !! 😊 👍
It'd need to do something the CB500X or NC700X don't already do. Stick the right tyres on a CB500X and it'll go most places, so there's not really a niche for a new Transalp to fill. If they do it, it'll be a trimmed down Africa Twin, just as the new NT is a more road-focused version of one.
It will come back. The name has been registered everywhere, even in the US
So has the NX, I think it'll be a new RD07 - Africa Twin 750 in 2023
You do have to wonder if the mid-sized adventure market is becoming a little over-saturated. There are so many really good offerings already and another mid-size will cannibalize the bigger displacement bikes like the Twin. As much as I like seeing new adventure bikes, I think the next big market push is going to be in the mid-size sport touring.
Price size fuel economy even for bikes at this rate will be something to consider.
Its a big heavy out-dated bus" That can only manage 38 mpg? Where a TW 200 would do 138 miles to the gallon.
Either a 9××' something, to bridge the space logically' or Electromagickly⚡
All I want is the same old 90s transalp with efi and minor tweaks to the body. 600cc vtwin with 40 or so HP was plenty. We don't need 70hp etc
BMW built the R80G/S in 1980, weight 167kg dry, 186kg wet with 19.5 litres fuel. That was 40 years ago in the 700/800 category. Just saying ……
And 40 years ago, we had glass lights, heavy metal tanks, drum brakes, carbs and analogue everything. Where did this go so wrong?..... Multiple catalytic converters and huge exhausts for emissions?
Suzuki could come in and play with a revised SV 650 bored or stroked to 750 in a rally chassis.
Kawasaki has a parallel twin they could rock in a new chassis as well. Under 400 lbs with adjustable seat and bar height.
One can hope…
CRF 450 Adventure loosely based on the Dakar bike (low fuel tanks). Under 350 lbs. Under $10K USD. I went from a KLR to a KTM 690. Lost 100 lbs, almost doubled the HP. The technology is "out there." They can do this. Sigh, but will they?
I hear ya! Sigh..... Cheers for the comment :D