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That Skip take on 52-year-old MJ beating Prime Bron is crazy, literally crazy
that's some next level hating 😂😂
@@lorenzfortuna7297on a whole new level.. And if LBJ beats him badly which he would, well of course he should he's old
Honestly this is the type of take u don’t even entertain cause even themselves they don’t believe that
Skip saying skip things
Skip is not entitled to his opinion tbh
The reveal of the who is greater segment with Pettit & Giannis got me in tears. 😂
I didnt know bob moved like that👀
FR 🤣
PS. here before this blows up
I'm shocked more people haven't made that comparison. Giannis' career is really similar to pettit's.
@@dumbassdude8372ong 16 rebounds😭
Nah frrr 🤣🤣🤣 wasn’t expecting a nigga from the 50s💀
The scary part about Jokić is that he might not have totally peaked yet. His game isn’t super reliant on athleticism so as he ages it’s unlikely he will get too much worse. All of this while his skills and basketball knowledge will continue to grow and imaging the reads and passes a 30+ year old Jokić will make is just mind blowing. I think he will retire a top 10 player ever.
Same. People really don't understand they're watching a slightly better, center version of Larry Bird.
@@daddyfuse50 I can tell you have no idea how bird played
Jokic sure hasn't hit his peak yet. Just eight seasons in and no superstar teammate to team up with. 90% we will see a slight or alot better version of him in the future. Only curse of injury or team tanking can prevent this from happening.
Nope he’s going to get injured. Not wishing just realistic
@@daddyfuse50😂
I am just glad that Kareem was talked about , over 7 feet tall and played I think 20 seasons alone is crazy let alone done 20+ years ago.
Lebron or MJ? Nah, jimmyyyyy = goat
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Hey jack big fan where u been ?
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That Ben Simmons take in the intro had me in tears
lmaooooo shit had me crying
I just realized it after reading your comment
Holy crap!
🤣🤣🤣
I couldn’t believe that somebody said it when I first read that 😂😂
😂
Well, he ain’t totally wrong tho 😂
The thing I think that gets overlooked with Jordan is that he did it as a guard. On most top 10 lists it's all forwards and centers.
Kobe, curry, johnson.
you got it all wrong man. generally top 10 lists have Kobe, curry, magic and jordan... that's 4 out of 10... the guard position is 2 out of 5 positions... so having 4 out of the top 10 players be guards is reasonable. what is actually impressive is the forwards on the top 10 list. shaq, wilt, kareem are all centers, which would leave 3 positions left. It is more impressive to stand out as a forward.
@@MiloYoung210it's reasonable,but like you said,they're still a minority (not a very small minority,but a minority nevertheless) i totally get that it doesn't make much of a difference (and it honestly doesn't) but at the same time I think it's interesting to highlight that... What if in the common spectator's mind,seeing someone be less of a giant than the others and dominate just as much (like taking Odysseus side because he is smaller against the cyclops for example :") ) was "more impressive" or at least more "marking" in their minds?
You can say the same for Steph Curry and this generation of players. People talk about Lebron, KD, Jokic, Gianis,the list goes on but Steph defy the expectations as a 6’3 guard.. mind blown 🤯 in a league where everyone hyped up forwards and centers. Little man can’t jump as high as them or doesn’t have the body but he consistently made himself legendary player and GOAT shooter 🐐
@@thibaulthottart2669 they aren't a minority tho. Of the consensus top 11 players you have 4 guards, magic curry mj and Kobe, 3 forwards bird Bron and Timmy and 4 centers Kareem Russell Shaq and Hakeem.
Tbf in regards of the last take I would explore the angle of discussing what really is Steph's position, because it's pretty hard to determine if he's more of a PG or a SG.
"The good old hot take, the necessary evil of the sports world"
Always gives me chills
Chills is crazy glaze
Alright shut up bro
glaze
The same chills you get when you realize Eli Manning is the NFLs GOAT...
TO BE THE MAN, YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE MAN
and then proceeds to create one lol
People have to start looking at points generated more than points scored. Embiid averaged 30+ with 3 assist, while Jokic for example has 25 with 10 assist. Assists are an underrated part of the game
Thats true but then u gotta look at the wins as well u could be 2016 kings rondo averaging 15 points and 12 assists and not even making playoffs.
They still don't put respec on John Stockton' name. The man account for 80% of his teams offense with one hand (He only dribbled dominantly with his right hand) for his entire career not missing hardly any games. And leading in assist all time multiple of thousands assist ahead of pass first point guards like Jason Kidd and Rajon Rondo. But they put Steph ahead of him even though he isn't a true point guard.😎
@@hansennoah1Yea but Utah made the playoffs every year John Stockton played for them and averages enough to be thousands ahead of pass first dominant true point guards. And he still leads in steals as well. So there are wins and respectable insurmountable stats that come with true point guards that know the position and play the position. This position less shit is legal in a heavily gay influenced era.😎
@@dreskee8422 heavily gay influenced era? tf are you talking about
You could be a good passer, but your teammates keep bricking their shots xD
I think Kareem both made things look too easy and they always give a "height tax." Like he's always 5 or even behind Kobe because Kobe was a guard. I do think there's a lot to how Kareem is undervalued because it looked too easy and I guess people wanted him to put more imaginary effort in.
The problem with the MJ vs LeBron conversation is that both MJ and LeBron at their peak were so far beyond the rest of the league that it is hard to evaluate how good they actually were.
I mean, is it? MJ was statistically further ahead of the competition than Lebron was and it's not particularly close. Lebron has faced harder competition and has far greater longevity. That's the debate, nobody (sane) is saying Lebron had a greater peak.
@@stephenwu1524 The statistics arguments have limited value due to the makeup of the league being completely different and substantial rule changes. It is entirely possible that Lebron's statistics would be superior to Jordan had he been dropped into the league in 1984. All we really know for sure is that they were both way better than everyone they played against.
@@stephenwu1524 MJ was ahead of the competition during an era when 6 expansions team were being introduce. After all of those expansions drafts, the teams average talent level dropped so much that the league had to put the 3pts line closer to the basket because the average shooting efficiency was getting stupidly low. He was the greatest player of objectively one of the worst era in term of competitivity, but for some reason that's not a point we hear/read often.
Also, we should not forget that the 90's were a blessed era for iso players, the illegal defense rule made MJ the dominant player he was (dont get me wrong he'd be good in todays NBA too, but playing against help defense would 100% slow him down).
Idk if LeBron had a greater peak, but seing 2012 to 2018 go against the Spurs and the Warriors was quite impressive.
LeBron unlike Mike was not above the league, yea LeBron is an athletic monster but was he wayyyyy better than his competition no, actually the fact that he had competition yk people who were around the same level as him just shows how truly different both him and mj were at in there own eras if you really think about it nobody in mjs era was as good as him not even close to his level, once he step foot on the floor his opponents basically said awwww shit it's Mike, LeBron never gave that same reaction to other players and still doesn't to this day, we've seen kobe leave his mark in the league, tim duncan, dirk, kg, kd, steph, Giannis, and now jokic and doncic both are at the top now. Kawhi is debatable but even so those guys have had their turn running the league or are currently running it. LeBron was never the top dog his entire career in the league he did have a short time being it while he was in Miami but that team was stacked as we all know so I wouldn't fully give him that title. He's good yes but he was never as great as Jordan and I don't think he'll ever reach that status as he gets older
@@pedrorojas0116 That is the wildest response I have ever seen. You really just put on your bullshit hat and typed away.
These are probably the best takes I’ve seen in a high roller video. Definitely not bad enough for Jimmy to say: “that’s all the nonsense my brain can handle in one sitting””
That’s just what he says on every hot take vid
@@harrysvanberg5047 I know, but still
Except he says "that's all the WRACKING my brain can handle in one sitting," which is completely different.
you should try make a video like this yourself, and see how far u can go
Cannot overstate how much I love.. ABSOLUTELY LOVE the hot takes videos. Need more of these because they flow so quickly
Nah they are pretty low hanging fruit
I think a major part of switching LeBron and MJ around in the timeline is nostalgia. Lots of people will treat MJ’s GOAT status as undebatable regardless of the stats of the person compared to him.
If nostalgia is even a reason then why did MJ is still regarded as a GOAT than Kareem even by the older gen?
@@s_ame1135 Because Kareem didn’t get as much glazing during his NBA career as MJ. You can just compare the nicknames the two players have to see that. 😭
There’s truth to that , The media in MJ’s era was insane but hey if you’re that good I guess it makes sense 🏃🏽♂️
@@s_ame1135nba wasn’t as big during kareem’s time
@@s_ame1135 nba wasnt as big and he didn't like the media so the media didnt like him, + a more "boring" playstyle.
This why I love Jimmy, he keep it real 💯
Like MJ said, Curry vs Magic is a close debate and Magic is ahead but Curry comes a close 2nd. People who say Curry had KD just don't get it. Magic had Kareem. Every great player in every era has had greatest teammates of that era.
Magic had worthy and Kareem who was the best player OAT until MJ and Bron
39 and 40 year old kareem isnt the same as prime kd
@@yassineb.8659they were about the same stat wise.
@@yassineb.8659 Kareem wasnt 40 when magic came to the lakers he was properly 30
@@yassineb.865932 isn't the same as 39, they are 7 digits apart. After 32 comes 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, and then 39. Isn't it past your bedtime?
Jordan is over Kareem due to marketing, timing of when they played, and the media's disdain for Kareem due to his standoffishness and his religion. Kareem did everything he did in the NBA but he also did it in College and High School. So there was never a time in his 25 odd years when he wasn't the best player for at least the prime for his competition.
certainly marketing is Huge. but when jordan was in his 3rd finals appearance, both magic and isaiah said he was the goat. for magic to say mj over his senior teammate, and for isaiah to say it, speaks volumes
Never stop making videos , these are the best to watch on my lunch break 👍🏼
Love these hot take videos. We Need more lowkey. Regardless, always a pleasure, Jimmy. Keep up the good work❤
Man, I can't watch that much NBA because I'm from Germany but I've been following it with more intensity for almost 3-4 years now and Jimmy's videos are simply the peak of basketball content
He is second only to thinking basketball
I recommend Clayton Crowley. Especially his Making the Case series
after reading your first sentence i read the rest in a german accent without even realizing it! thank you for that! lol
@@aotphixionGET TO THE CHOPPA YOU HAVE TO OUT OF HERE😂😂sry he’s Austrian I’m just a dumbass let me be
Ich fühl dich Bruder
We need more of these hot take vids, they're always so hilarious 😂
I really enjoy the CZcams community so much and how some show others so much love
Never stop making content. My favorite CZcams channel. Thank you.
Though I loved your stat breakdown for jokic, I would use points per 75 instead of ppg (same for rebounds and assists) and use relative TS% instead of absolute (especially when youre comparing across eras)
per 75? Do you mean per 36 or am I dumb...
@@WillMacNaughtonI think he’s talking about per 75 possessions
Jokić would still clear relative TS%
I like how you wrote all that and still didn't tell us who was better according to your definition. I wonder why.
Using advanced stats to quantify impact & efficiency to in effect say Jokic peaked higher than Kobe & Kareem is one of the worst takes Ive ever heard in my life
Honestly mj played in the perfect era old enough for it to be nostalgic but not too old for most people to not even have been able to watch it
Jimmy is the only reason i stay in touch with the sport. This is better content than the NBA itself!
Now, that's what you call the worst hot take.
12:55 - This argument (which I believe is a great one) completely undermines the opening LeBron versus Jordan debate.
That LeBron scoring title stat is actually wild. Imagine repeating 8 times in a row
Other players would also try the same thing making it tougher to win. Idk who would have challenged him in the eight year period but you can see after 2015 it changes completely.
Wild but his other stats would go downq
@@thegame7557 if he dd this much scoring which i couldnt see him doing his assist and everythings els would go down because he would use all his energy on scoring that much
You think he would still outscore prime harden?
Or even 2015-16 Steph.
I disagree with 6:13. Karreem wasn't very highly regarded in his era, most people though that Russell, Wilt, and Oscar were better. In 1980 (so after Kareem's peak) Bill Russell was voted as the GOAT. For whatever reason, be it his personality, the boring nature of his game, or modern day Lebron support influencing the perception of Kareem, he has gone up in most peoples rankings as we get further from his playing days.
This is one of the things I see alot with revisionist history. People didnt particularly like Kareem - rightly or wrongly, its just how it was. He wasn't certified GOAT, or beloved and that false narrative basically frames everything Jimmy talks about in the first segment.
Yes! Thank you, that's a big part of why people so easily put MJ above Kareem: they didn't like Kareem but they loved MJ.
@@youngobesbeacuse he’s exciting to watch and was stylish. Kareem was tall and very boring to watch. And didn’t talk much at all
@@tunnelvision7906That shouldn’t matter in a debate though. MJ’s still better all time but it’s because of his accomplishments and feats more than how entertaining he was.
I completely and utterly disagree with Harden being ranked the 4th best SG in history, he is a stat-padder in a stat-inflated era and not a winner. Also, his stats had way too much help from the refs, Harden is overrated all day, every day
This man analyzed a hot take within a hot take.
It's not fair to say that Lebrons shooting % stays the same after shooting another 5 times per game or so, those likely would have been slightly more difficult shots otherwise he would have taken them. Also if he's sitting more then his passing threat is not as high, meaning he is guarded more heavily. That's why Kobe's shot % was lower because he took much more difficult shots more often.
Lebron shots per game for his career is 19.7. He's literally taking 20 shots per game for 20 seasons and only won 1 scoring title. It's absurd for this video to claim Lebron would have 12 scoring titles. The logic used by some of these fans is S tier smooth brain thinking.
Kobe’s % was lower because he’s a less efficient scorer than LeBron
its because kobe's "skill" only got him to taking tougher shots. his skill is judged based on his tough shot making. lebron has been the more efficient player his whole life lol because lebron makes it look easy. and as jxmy said, volume scorers are like that.
Also, LeBron CHOOSES not to shoot, say for example - at the end of critical games in NBA finals when his arse falls out, and he passes to Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving
@@A12H1 or like vs okc when lebron tried to get the record and did in 3 quarters. or when he has 8 40 pt games in 1 playoff run including a 50 piece against a juggernaut.
I appreciate you breaking down the difference between greatness and skill. I debate my friends about who is the greatest frequently and they dont seem to understand what I am saying. I use the tom brady aaron Rodgers example too often to describe legacy and greatness compared to skill at a position. Excellent video as usual
Because Tom Brady is better and more accomplished?
This is so true. I always say I think Peyton was the best QB to ever play but Brady is clearly the GOAT. Same goes for basketball if you wanna argue LeBron is a better all around player, that's fine, but it doesn't make him the GOAT - that's still Michael Jordan
@@NONO-hz4voI wanna like to say Aaron Rodgers is better than Tom Brady-arm strength, accuracy, faster release, better mobility-but the thing about Tom Brady, is that him winning was just inevitable.
@@keithbogansburner4343no Peyton manning?
@BranJ89 I am a Peyton fan and always rooted for him vs. Brady, but the thing is Brady just made it happen. Doesn't matter if it looked good or was talent driven it just matters if it happened. When Brady left the Patriots and won with the Bucs that removed all doubt for me. He wasn't even in his prime, but he made the plays that counted even if they were ugly ducks.
Michael won 6 of his scoring titles on a championship team. Bron and many others can win the scoring crown every year, but forcing it would hurt the team.
Any team that wins is considered a championship team. Bulls aren't a championship team without MJ. Let's be clear about that. Guess how many championships the Bulls had as a whole? Take a WIIIIIILD GUESS. lol
If LeBron took 2-3 more shots a game that’s not hurting his team
If LeBron's extra shots come from his 37% mid range jumper, then yes those shots are hurting his team.
Lebron cannot lead league in scoring because he doesn't make enough free throws and or get to line enough
@@sir.muffiniii7011 You have no ball knowledge or understanding, there are certain amount of posessions in a game, you try to make the best play, and Bron most of the time did make the best play, which was passing the ball. Imagine Bron forcing certain shots at the end of the games instead of passing to the open man, especially with his bad clutch shooting. He might have not won a SINGLE ring by now if he gunned for the scoring title in his prime. In the entire NBA history other than Jordan, a scoring champ has won the title a combined 4 times, and all of them were before the NBA/ABA merger. Mike is the ONLY player in modern NBA history who won a ring as a scoring champ, and he did it 6 TIMES. There's a reason for that.
What keeps me coming back to Jimmy more than other bball CZcamsrs is that he's just genuinely as unbiased as I've seen any sports commentator or writer even pretend to be. Don't get me wrong I have my homer CZcamsrs who are more focused around my favorite team (☘️) but when I want just pure unadulterated unbiased fandom of the game and appreciation of greatness, Jimmy is my go-to, by far😤🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐. Like I legit can't tell who is actual favorite player is, currently or retired/past, or who his favorite team is for that matter.
Tldr:
Someone: Jordan or LeBron?
Jimmy: "Yes😌, here's mountains of evidence why."
Someone: "okay? Whos your favorite team.?"
Jimmy: "the NBA😌"
Never change Jimmy. It's refreshing to see Jordan appreciation even as a die hard LBJ GOATer and equally as refreshing to see Jordan be praised without half-truth hatred or underhanded shots at LeBron, too many times the debate gets petty and dishonest if not cherry picked and childish on BOTH sides. My personal preference of LeBron over Jordan STILL leaves Jordan as a close 2nd, alot closer than the biggest MJ haters and Bron glazers give him credit for. That's second OF ALL TIME, out of literal thousands of hoopers in history and dozens if not roughly 100 HOFers. (Bird over Kobe for number 3 all time *just barely* if not arguably for biased reasons for me personally, but just by the thinnest of hairs even with that said.)
Indeed!
He said it once . Is wizards or timberwolves., cant remember but it was last month
@@nocturnomedieval it's the trailblazers, I actually JUST found this out after watching this video, he talks about it in his video about Dame and Giannis linking up.
@@wesleyprince3465and the one with records and 7pt possession
He’s very biased
Number 6 on trending? Let’s go Jimmy you’re atop the bball CZcamsrs
Mj's quote that ppl keep missing is 'you must define PG...'. He is very straight to the point.. if we r talking abt whos a better PG, no doubt its magic
Magic is more a 6'9 point forward than anything, if we're talking a better "traditional PG" it's between Zeke, Stockton or Kidd
@@paquinraino8180 Magic is not a traditional PG because he's tall? The Lakers played James Worthy at SF and AC Green/Kurt Rambis/Mychal Thompson at PF, not Magic Johnson. Scottie Pippen is a point forward, but Magic is a point guard. You don't assign positions based on height.
@@paquinraino8180this is also cap. It depends on the team. Got shooters, take Kidd. Got front court, take Stock. Need to carry the team, it is Zeke. So it is a multidimensional question. Not one on one silly comparison
@@paquinraino8180 In what way is Stockton not the undisputed PG? He has by far the most impossible record to break. Dude missed TWENTY TWO games in 19 ENTIRE SEASONS
I somewhat agree, but if im making an all time lineup i would rather have curry on my team. he is just more skilled at the sport. Magic is the greater point guard, so thats why I have him higher on all time lists and it should always be that way
That Kareem being that era's Lebron James is a good point. Like you said, even after all that, we still named MJ the GOAT.
I was almost convinced myself, until he brought up Kareem. 😂
@@atToebiscuit Naw that part. It's a real solid argument. That's why we watch his channel.
Yea and you also saw that point about LeBron averaging 32 PPG for his career compared to 30 PPG from Jordan if he took as many shots as Jordan did.
@@Ssjiskkidjj
That argument is just silly. MJ could also average 34 if he shoot even more than his usual shot attempts. LBJ is not better than MJ because of some hypothetical scenario.
You can argue that LBJ distributes the ball more than MJ that is why his ppg is lower, but the end goal is to turn that pass into points anyway. And MJ creates points on his own directly better than anyone else on a consistent bases. And even more efficiently during playoffs.
If Lebron (or anyone) can score by himself at a level as good MJ, there is no reason he wouldn't do it.
If it is a big deal for LBJ when he passed the all-time score total, I don't see why he would not want to beat the ppg average as well. The obvious reason for that is it is difficult, and not because he chose not to.
@Bashhhhh ok? Not really relevant to what we were talking about
If jokic keeps doing what he’s doing for the next 7-8 years he will be top 10 all time
top 5
nvm top 10 he only got 1 ring
Who will you take out from top 10 tho??
wilt chamberlain@@Monchi-qc4ep
The first take of Lebron coming first is hands down the best take ever and anyone who didn’t think about it is really an idiot 😂
I NEED " there was ... his name was Kareem Abdul Jabbar" to become an inside joke or something. Seeing that come up back to back had me rolling 🤣
In regards to the warriors championship loss to the Cavs, people often point to the draymond suspension as the catalyst for the Cavs winning. But in reality, it was the injury to Andrew Bogut. Watch the game he got injured and just the defensive impact he had alone, not account for his offensive impact. In my opinion, If bogut stays healthy and draymond still gets suspended, the warriors win that title
Hot take: Jordan's resume wasn't sufficient to categorically dethrone Kareem as the GOAT which is why Kareem should still be in contention for that title and why it makes perfect sense for LeBron to be as well. They are the three greatest ever and should all occupy the S tier of all-time greats. Pick whichever you prefer, but nobody is wrong if their GOAT is one of the three.
Also, your point about LeBron and volume scoring perfectly illustrates why Jordan's scoring titles shouldn't be seen as a slam dunk testament to his GOAT status.
No
What about Steph? I wouldn’t say number one but how can a guy beat s tier level player 3 times and not even be in that group?
Kareem was always in the contention. GOAT debate is always between MJ, Kareem and Lebron.
I was sooo joyous when I seen the drop, actual happiness
Hey jimmy I hope you’re doing great I haven’t been the biggest basketball fan in a long time but I’m always excited to watch your videos as I think you put a lot of effort into them and I admire your thought process you’ll likely never see this but thank you and I wish you the best ❤️
Glazing is crazy
Dick glazing at its finest 💀
@@miles934 Mans can't even support the channel in peace anymore. Y'all are wild.
@@miles934get off social media dawg 🤦♂️
@@miles934Wow the amount of grown men in todays society with immature minds is crazy. “Hey man I like your shoes”.
Miles: “The Amount of glazing is crazy.
Do you see how Sped that sound? Already got the world trying to Demasculate men an here you are joining in on the Stigma. That’s crazy.
My hot take: Linsanity was only as huge as it was because it happened with the Knicks.
It might've been huge but it wouldn't have been as big as a what if today if he was in another franchise.
You’re right. I also think it helped that he is an asian player because there werent much of a diversity in the league.
Lin was an average player and he was overhyped as fck. Theres a reason why players like him dont get talked about besides he was on the lakers with kobe. At best i think he couldve been a great 6th (if generous) of 7th+ players
Of course being on the Knicks helped, so did beating Kobe's Lakers, being the first American born Chinese player, and having a cool nickname. But he went from d-league/last on the bench to having a (although short) All-Star and arguably All NBA run. And according to Wikipedia "Lin scored a total of 89, 109, and 136 points in his first three, four, and five career starts, respectively; all three totals are the most by any player since the merger between the American Basketball Association (ABA) and the NBA in 1976-77."
The numbers that kid was throwing up over that stretch were ridiculous regardless of franchise. It was a legendary heater.
the only hot take here is your channel my man. great stats, great analysis, great diction, tempo or cadence, Basically the best basketball analytic entertainment in youtube !
Jimmy always bringing the best hot takes on CZcams 😮💨
MJ came into the league at the perfect time for his skill set. It literally could not have been more a perfect fit, so im not sure how hed perform if he was plopped into the league in 2002
Wtf😂😂😂 lead league ij scoring aver 40 and win 6 and be best defensive guard in league
I’m saying the way he went about that Bron/jordan argument was weird. I see it like this you scrap all of their accolades and just swap the times they played LeBron drafted to the bulls in 84 and MJ drafted to the cavs in 02. I honestly feel that LeBron would be more successful.
He'd probably get very close to foul trouble a lot, with VERY different defensive rules from the 80's into the 90's. On the offensive side tho, he'd also have a much easier time getting to the basket and he'd facilitate the 3 point shooters and i think just overall he'd have a much easier and less physical time if he got dropped into this current era.
I mean he was averaging 25 6 6 shooting 46% (which for that era was good) before his knee injury in 01-02 at almost 39 years old. I don't think he would have issues and his assists would go up because he would be getting double teams thrown at him all the time
This why I love a Jimmy video bro, dude lays out facts over feelings every damn time 🔥🔥
Don't say facts over feelings unironically
his videos are awesome, but he sneaks in a lot of feelings, like in his Jordan/LeBron takes. He’s a Jordan stan that claims LeBron is his favorite player, just to make it seem fair, when he’s clearly swaying the metrics in Jordans favor.
Jxmy never fails to make great content
Dude Jimmy let me just say I'm italian and always have pretty much only watched football, barely knew anything about the NBA up until 3/4 years ago. Gotta say The last dance and your channel have slowly turned me into an all out fan and now I've been watching even pre-season highlights ahah. Love it
Mj was that good 😂
You should look up Kobe Bryant. He spoke italian
It would be interesting to see how you could quantify the league of the past vs today that being said it would probably be your deepest deep dive ever so I look forward to it in 5 years. Keep it up!
one of the best series on yt in my opinion
I think that we look at Jordan, and LeBron's careers all wrong. I believe Jordan had the most perfect NBA career in history, but I believe when we look at LeBron's career you have to look at the fact that LeBron achieved so much that it's hard to not consider him the goat.
If you wanna talk about who achieved more and what achievements weigh more. I’m sorry but Jordan achieved more than Lebron did
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I love the way you handled the Jordan/Lebron argument. For me, you pretty much answered it permanently.
I am 59 years old. I watched the tail end of Kareem, and as a Knick fan, I watched Jordan singlehandedly destroy Patrick Ewing's championship dreams.
And, yes, after Jordan destroyed the Celtics in a losing effort, the entire basketball world acknowledged that Jordan was the greatest player that we had ever seen.
Until Lebron came 😂who df care about Patrick Ewing knicks bruh there was maybe a 4 years of Jordan’s career when he didn’t have the best supporting cast in the entire nba 😂yall dick ride him so much y’all don’t realize y’all be taking away from his team you can’t win a ring without a team y’all act like he went out and played 1 on 15 😂man ain’t have no competition it’s clear it was mj and the bulls vs single stars or the rare case of John Stockton and Karl Malone either way still Jordan had more depth than anybody else in the nba and all around more help than any other stars at that time it’s not even close
Jordan is going to get passed up by LeBron as the fans and media get older and the younger generations control the narrative.
Right now, a large makeup of the media people saw Jordan’s entire career from start to finish. So they have Jordan as their GOAT. When people come in who never even saw Jordan play, that narrative is going to quickly shift. Just like it shifted away from Bill Russell and Wilt being the GOATs.
Can’t destroy a team and lose buddy
I think bron is 100% getting through Ewing
Ha....wrong. Its because Jordan was and still is the most talented basketball player to ever lace shoes. Longevity and popularity in an era doesnt cement GOAT status.@@skillethead15
I’m a huge mj fan but that first take is actually very reasonable
Please keep these coming!! Also, do you have any recommendations for Shawn Kemp games? I’ve always liked him even though I’ve only ever seen highlights and want see what he was like at his best!
11:07 - 11:15 MJ said quote "Greatest PG of all time is Magic" which is exactly what you said at the end of the video 13:50 - 14:02... He didnt say best basketball player he said best PG
So why even argue this statement?
Edit: 11:20 "You must define PG"
Steph has changed what the nba as a whole view of what a point guard is. A point guard now is seen as a player who has to have great shooting, must be able to get the ball from one end to the other, and he must also be able to draw defense towards him in order to facilitate his teammates. These heads only look at "assist" and forget that assists don't only have to be direct but indirect as well. Steph "assists" best because he is CONSTANTLY drawing multiple defenders towards him. Which inturn creates opportunities for his teammates. When has Magic ever had multiple defenders constantly chasing his ass because of how dangerous he is??? Exactly never. That is just one example of why Steph is a better PG.
Exactly, thank you!
in the interview that prompted the debate, Curry was asked if he was the best
11:11 "Magic is the best point guard of all time," and also I think Jimmy is just generally covering the whole debate on the 'best of this and that" thing in the community, beside's MJ's "best"
Do a bit of research and you wont be so confused. He hasnt argued the statement at all, hes argued the whole subject the started with steph being asked who is the BEST. Plus hes helping you slow ones with some context. Instead of just being an MJ rider and only jumping off his D to defend his statement, try some research before blurting your shit 🤮
Anyone else get excited when they see a notification Jimmy uploaded a new video ❤❤❤
Jimmy's videos have the same vibe as 2 AM cereal
I love how Jxmy only shouts like once every two weeks AND STILL STILL manages ti get a million views
both jokic and giannis will end their careers as top 15 all time, both have (in my opinion) the best odds of winning the chip this year, and i don't see them stopping anytime soon, so, for the next five years, if they don't have at least one more chip each, i'd be shocked.
I would say Curry because of the way he opens up the game for the rest of the team is just unmatched. He was the first unanimous MVP for a reason, he doesn't just shoot three's he drives, makes passes, and creates opportunities for teammates at an elite level. Now Magic is incredible too of course for so many reasons, but Steph literally changed not only the culture of basketball, like Magic did, but the very way the game is approached. Addition - I could totally be convinced otherwise. I didn't watch Magic growing up so there's definitely some bias haha (edit - y'all putting words in my mouth, I'm not saying Magic isn't an all time generational player, literally on the same level as curry or anything against magic as a player, I'm just saying I'd take curry overall it's not that deep)
Wtf
A bulls….. a bullsh….
u talkin like showtime lakers didnt change how the game was played...
@@theinformationcenter9289what was wrong ab it
@@cesarbarbosa8875yes of course but that doesn't take away from the point
Whenever comparing the goats of anything I always bring up the point you highlighted being do you want the best? Or the greatest? Because there’s a difference.
One good thing about the GOAT debate is that it lets you know who doesn’t watch the sport. If all the hoops they are interested in talking about is about the hypothetical best ever, they probably don’t have much else to talk about
I wish there was a NFL version of Jimmy I love these videos so much even though I’m a casual Basketball fan.
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Should be a Boxing version
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@@ritzkola2302 TJlovesFights, he does videos on boxing and mma
I definately agree with what Michael Jordan says about Magic being the best PG of all time, when you truly define what a point guard is. If you want to debate who is greater at the role of pg it's 100% magic, no debate. However, if you want to debate who is better at strrictly basketball it's steph and it's not particularly close. The traditional role of a pg is to bring up the ball and be a playmaker, not jack up 3s from 30 feet out. But in the modern game were we have 7 footers bringing the ball up the court, traditional pg playmaking is not needed. I even know some older people who call the pg position playmaker because that's how it was. However, this is not really the case anymore.
The thing I don’t like about that debate is the traditional point guard has changed in the modern game and they have different requirements in todays game.
The debate is basically be better at being magic than magic which is impossible.
@@All3cannons even just narrowing it down to who the greater player is, magic still wins though. forced debate, move on
I think we need to redefine what the word “playmaker” truly is. He does play make he just doesn’t do it in a traditional way. He does it with his presence on the court. When he’s bringing the ball down the court and running around and passing the ball around that’s playmaking cause everybody is focused on him
How is “he shoots 3s” an argument for Steph over Magic? I mess with Steph and there’s many unappreciated things about him, but you need more than that to argue he’s just a point blank, a better basketball player than someone who could average 23 ppg 12 apg on 53% shooting.
You can argue Steph is better than Magic as a player, but to say it’s not close and with that as your only reasoning doesn’t make much sense to me.
@@LuisLRC completely missing the point. Doesn’t matter who is better because I’m not arguing that. Just saying you can’t discredit someone’s skill set because it’s nontraditional when hyping another’s when they ain’t exactly traditional themselves.
Just saying the way people compare guys is lazy and it’s not specific to the magic/curry comparison.
man respect for still uploading even tho there is no new content, but fr it's getting repetitive, when i started watching every video was a masterpiece, tough to blame you cause its not your fault but just tryna let you know i hope it helps
Jimmy you should make a video on this years ESPN top 100 nba players list and you should talk about how badly they make these lists every year. Would be a W Video ngl, Trust me bro🙏😂
Bruh Jimmy, I was just about to go to bed, literally on Spotify and everything, then I see you notification and now I gotta watch this video.
Thank you
i paused when i saw the bob petit/giannis comparison to see if i could guess the players. i got giannis quickly but if i had paused that screen for the rest of my life i would have never guessed bob petit 😭😭
I agree mostly with these takes but i give you this:
with the light defense being played now, how greater of an impact would Magic have this era?
Magic would be a g league player in 2023 brother
@@wbgiarrusso ur tripping magic is ben simmons but insanely good
Favorite series hands down
Jxmmy always be having the most random facts that just make you sit there and think about them 😭
Bill Russel is underrated . Many people think he is a Borderline top 10 because he played a long time ago and he has a lot of hall of fame team mate. For the fact that he played a long time ago it is as much an disadvantage as it is an advantage. Yes there wasn't as many team and as much competition. But he played in worst condition than anybody. Firstly because of the obvious racism yes it was really hard in addition to that there was no such thing as a nutritionist, the physical training was so far from what we have now and I'm sure that if he played now he could do it for 10 more years. For the fact that he played with a lot of hall of famer he made them a hall of famer.Yes they were good but if they played with Wilt they would have never been hall of famer. He is also the best defensive player of all time and he won more than anybody in history. For all those reason I think Bill Russel should always be in the top 5 all time.
PS : sorry for my English it's not really good because it's not my mother thong
Another main reason why Bill isn’t usually that high for people is his lack of scoring, he was never the main scoring guy which you gotta be to be one of the GOATS
I don’t even watch basketball ball but I trust jxmmy to give me the real shit no bullshit lol been bout 4 or 5 years already I’ve followed u don’t got an ESPN deal yet!? you def got the voice and the brains!
It’s the shoes it’s gotta be the shoes😂😂😂😂
It’s always a good day when Jimmy uploads.❤
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MJ’s aura is still crazy. When Steven revealed who messaged him, I know we all got the chills
What’s crazier is you believing SAS
he told us that he was the one saying lol what? lls
speak for yourself. have some self respect, it’s so embarassing to be kneeling kissing the feet of another man like this.
@@BIGAMBERFAN bro no one’s kneeling rn but ik the guy with the anime girl picture isn’t talking rn. You literally are fiending for another mans boob drawing
This is one of your best "hot take" reactions vid!
I’m not ignoring how you said Booker could break the scoring title every year if he wanted to💀
My wish in life is for Jxmy to have a show on ESPN
Let's not forget the fact that MJ also has a college national championship and hit the game winning shot to get it
LeBron never went to college
I made this same comment on a Messi video .
The difference between MJ & Messi as opposed to everyone else is the elevated their game into art . That’s how special
If MJ never retires there’s no question who’s the goat
Jimmy, bro... how long does it take to make these videos? Your content is amazing. Need more!!!!!!!
I love how people immediately forgot the all time performance Curry had in 2022 Finals. Tells you that the NBA Recency Bias is ruining the experience
24/7/365 media cycle.
Yesterday News gets buried under Terabytes of New News and hot takes
Back in the day you had to slowly wait for a Narrative to change over the course of weeks, months & years.
Every player currently playing, will have short lived legacies in comparison to their predecessors.
LeBron will have the shortest of them all, due to the attention span of his primary fan base.
I'm glad you mentioned Kareem basically being LeBron and the difference between "greatest" and "best" pretty much seals the G.O.A.T. debate 😁
People have kareem as the goat too, except he was inna completely different league than mj and lebron. Lebron is the goat
@@tdl8701absolutely not
@@warmpillow4457 lebron is better
Doesn’t make sense tho, Kareem has 6 mvps from player voting when he wasn’t even the best player in the league, and he only has 2 fmvp, he avg around 14pts the end of his career
Bron played 2 out of the top 3 greatest dynasty of all time and has 4 rings 10 final trips 4 mvps 4 fmvp most points aot top 5 in assist and avg 30 last year
I think the way to look at the MJ and Lebron thing is no matter who played first the debate would remain. The NBA was different back then and people play different and so many new moves now
Jimmy never makes a bad video 🤝🏾💯
13:21 "MJ has dominated his era like the way LeBron dominated his but LeBron's era is vastly better than MJ was..." why isn't that logic not used against Michael Jordan?
cause he is an MJ fan
@@_adoniskthought I was the only one who noticed
You are doing the most d k riding ive ever seen in my life with that take
That pettit and giannis comparison was eye opening 😂
I think the more interesting part of flipping the years LeBron and Jordan played is seeing how many people who self-validate through toughness of era would be defending LeBron as being tougher than Jordan in that case. And you know they would because like I said they have attached some level of self-worth to pretending their era was better.
I think there is an additional part of LeBron scoring title part that kind needs to be added. I agree you take an all time great scorer like KD, LeBron, Harden and they only try to maintain a scoring title pace they can probably win it every year. I think the big issue is assuming they maintain their efficiency because the reason why Jordan was allowed to take all of those shots is because he maintained a high efficiency while doing so. Most players, this includes LeBron, start to see their efficiency drop as their shot attempts go up. This is because they start having to take less efficient shots for them. Jordan didn't have that problem. He could be just as efficient shooting 18 times a game as shooting 23 times a game.
exactly right, to just assume that LeBron will maintain his efficiency when he's forcing shots is a ridiculous exercise and an abuse of statistics.
@@AGHathaway The expected drop in efficiency wouldn't be enough to matter in terms of a scoring title, but it would be detrimental to team success. I think Lebron's point is that just thinking bigger is better is ridiculous. Very hard to measure impact numerically. Even looking at efficiency can be misleading, as it underrates tough shot makers like Kobe.
@@AGHathaway completely agree, however I believe LeBron's biggest (one of) is his refusal to drive the ball to the hole more.
@@tywayne3bruh lebron is literally a rim runner with other abilities. How does he refuse to go to the hole more.
@@pass_me_d_blunt1298 it just looks like it to me. I don't watch much but I usually see him taking threes.
I think when Michael texted Steve, Curry had 3 titles and not the fourth yet... Now Magic can see him in the mirror. Magic is magic. But Curry changed the game forever and took his position to a whole new level.
hot take: with both offensive and defensive schemes evolving so much, scoring increase is not because defence back then was much better; but rather offence now got so much better
Hot take thes guys ain’t really that good without traveling ,double dribble ,carry and the nba has geared the rules for the offense this so called “evolution” is manufactured due to entertainment and ratings purposes these guys play basketball on training wheels 😂
Actual facts
@@Slyme1bigjordan Iverson carried, travelled, palmed regularly grandpa
Love when Jimmy drops a vid ❤
The hot takes never get old