Man it looks like the tone arm is sitting still! The grooves in these were so tight! I Have the Disc of #2"Oriental Moonlight" & #3 "Clap Yo` Hands", And "The Sphinx"!! 3 full length EDISON Diamond Disc on each side of a 10" 80 RPM Record! Amazing!
It Amazes Me that these and some EDISON Blue Amberol Cylinder Records were Acoustically Dubbed! And sound so GREAT! This is a AWESOME Record! I WOULD KILL FOR A COPY!
This record sounds very loud with electrical amplification. But one reason these records didn't sell was that with acoustical amplification on Edison machines, they weren't very loud.
The ideas were there but technology was too heavy/bulky to follow yet and the Great Depression put one more break on. There have been attemps at 33rpm in the 20s for archive purpose, movie soundtracks etc, and even a first large grooved 33rpm record launched by RCA Victor in about 1930 till 1937/8 but there were few people with money to afford it, and even if you did 33s wore out faster because of the techology available to play them, (almost any standard pickup in the 30s weighted about at least 100g for the lightest, up to 250g, and they still were using steel needles. So keeping 78rpm was also a guarantee of longer record life as speed reduces the effect pressure has on the record and and makes needle compliance easier for the pickups). Not to mention recording quality going higher along with the rpms, which was specially important as recording equipment was quite random depending on the brands. So 78 was the best deal you could go with until technology was to follow.
Kind of insane when you think about the length these achieve on a 10” disc at 80rpm, very easy to take that kind of duration for granted. What type of stylus are you playing this one with here?
Renaissance Ear-Candy so just a basic LP spherical will do the trick on these LP Edisons? I was under the impression the groove was even finer than microgroove though I might be misremembering
I wonder how long a disc that is made in all the same ways but plays at 45rpm would play for, I wonder if any old mastering machines for these records still exist.
The first selection pitches perfectly in D minor c.q. G major, the second selection in Eb and the third selection in F which are the correct keys. Therefore the speed is the same as with which this side was recorded. Whether that is 78 RPM or 80 RPM (or somewhere near) we don't know without a stroboscope. These turntables didn't always precisely show the speed they were actually doing at that moment.
Seems like a microgroove record , never heard of that on 78s. Wonder why the shellac records stayed at 3 minutes right up to early 60s and they're replacement with 45s singles
The record was released in early 1927 (March/April) and ran threw the end in October 1929. The "R" side, HELLO BLUEBIRD/ Kaplan`s Melodists, IN A LITTLE SPANISH TOWN/ Hotel Commodore Dance Orchestra and THE SPHINX/ Ross Gorman and His Orchestra. The "L" side, RHAPSODIE RUSSE/ Harold Veo and His Arrowhead Inn Orchestra, ORIENTAL MOONLIGHT/ Ernie Golden and his Hotel McAlpin Orchestra, CLAP YO` HANDS/ Hotel Commodore Dance Orchestra. Better late than never!
Edison was right about it being an advent in Musical History, but people didn't recognize it, not when He did it, not when Victor did it the 1st time, it took them nearly 30 years to realize it was a good idea, but they screwed it down to 33rpm so now the fidelity does not sound good at all.
The main problems with Edison LPs were technical. Acoustic recording was being pushed to its limit; and even if they used electrical recordings from 1927 on, the playback was still acoustic. This required an extremely heavy reproducer to get any decent volume; and, with the tiny stylus, it was more than the record surface could bear for long. Another problem was being able to cut a 12 or 20 minute side in one session: if there was one mistake, the whole take would have to be scrapped. This is why the Edison LPs were almost exclusively dubbed from regular discs, instead of taking advantage of the longer format. It wasn't really until the advent of tape recording, with its possibility of editing, that the LP format became practical.
@@Lucius1958 Interesting (especially to hear a good instrumental version of 'Clap Yo Hands' at the end of the first side) - when you say most tracks on the Long Play Diamond Discs were dubbed from regular Diamond Discs, was it known by what method this was acheived, as the quality sounds good given the limitations of the technology at the time.
I would love to see more of your lps 😁😁
A true masterpiece of 1920's music history :)
Man it looks like the tone arm is sitting still! The grooves in these were so tight! I Have the Disc of #2"Oriental Moonlight" & #3 "Clap Yo` Hands", And "The Sphinx"!! 3 full length EDISON Diamond Disc on each side of a 10" 80 RPM Record! Amazing!
What type of music is this ? Jazz, rock or country ?
It Amazes Me that these and some EDISON Blue Amberol Cylinder Records were Acoustically Dubbed! And sound so GREAT! This is a AWESOME Record! I WOULD KILL FOR A COPY!
man, imagine how long that would play if it played at 33⅓ like a modern lp, that would go for hours!
This record sounds very loud with electrical amplification. But one reason these records didn't sell was that with acoustical amplification on Edison machines, they weren't very loud.
great record..... and a sleeve too! Wonderful
Funny how they didn't even think to slow it down and Edison would have invented the LP album 20 years before Columbia did.
The ideas were there but technology was too heavy/bulky to follow yet and the Great Depression put one more break on. There have been attemps at 33rpm in the 20s for archive purpose, movie soundtracks etc, and even a first large grooved 33rpm record launched by RCA Victor in about 1930 till 1937/8 but there were few people with money to afford it, and even if you did 33s wore out faster because of the techology available to play them, (almost any standard pickup in the 30s weighted about at least 100g for the lightest, up to 250g, and they still were using steel needles. So keeping 78rpm was also a guarantee of longer record life as speed reduces the effect pressure has on the record and and makes needle compliance easier for the pickups). Not to mention recording quality going higher along with the rpms, which was specially important as recording equipment was quite random depending on the brands. So 78 was the best deal you could go with until technology was to follow.
I remember finding a drawing of how these were transcribed in one of Edison's notebooks quite a simple but complex process
Hi. Good Evening Dear. Is it a 78 rpm record ? Does this turntable has got that speed's option, that's great
It's an 80rpm record.
These discs were never used to there best advantage - for instance, the recording of complete symphonies.or other extended works.
Kind of insane when you think about the length these achieve on a 10” disc at 80rpm, very easy to take that kind of duration for granted. What type of stylus are you playing this one with here?
It's an Ortofon DJS stylus.
Renaissance Ear-Candy so just a basic LP spherical will do the trick on these LP Edisons? I was under the impression the groove was even finer than microgroove though I might be misremembering
I wonder how long a disc that is made in all the same ways but plays at 45rpm would play for, I wonder if any old mastering machines for these records still exist.
Looks like the pitch control is centered.
That would mean this record isn't beng played at the correct 80.00 RPM.
The first selection pitches perfectly in D minor c.q. G major, the second selection in Eb and the third selection in F which are the correct keys. Therefore the speed is the same as with which this side was recorded. Whether that is 78 RPM or 80 RPM (or somewhere near) we don't know without a stroboscope. These turntables didn't always precisely show the speed they were actually doing at that moment.
What size stylus do these records require?
If I'm not mistaken these records require a modern (if not smaller) LP stylus
Even a hot solo by Earl Oliver from 12:25 !
Please give me details about this special record. How come this record plays for 12 minutes per side ?
I believe it's a microgroove record.
It sounds great Don ! 👍👍
Amazing. Thanks for posting.
Really Quite exceptional! Thank You!
Seems like a microgroove record , never heard of that on 78s. Wonder why the shellac records stayed at 3 minutes right up to early 60s and they're replacement with 45s singles
Do you have a recording date ? Which band is playing ?
The record was released in early 1927 (March/April) and ran threw the end in October 1929. The "R" side, HELLO BLUEBIRD/ Kaplan`s Melodists, IN A LITTLE SPANISH TOWN/ Hotel Commodore Dance Orchestra and THE SPHINX/ Ross Gorman and His Orchestra. The "L" side, RHAPSODIE RUSSE/ Harold Veo and His Arrowhead Inn Orchestra, ORIENTAL MOONLIGHT/ Ernie Golden and his Hotel McAlpin Orchestra, CLAP YO` HANDS/ Hotel Commodore Dance Orchestra. Better late than never!
Edison was right about it being an advent in Musical History, but people didn't recognize it, not when He did it, not when Victor did it the 1st time, it took them nearly 30 years to realize it was a good idea, but they screwed it down to 33rpm so now the fidelity does not sound good at all.
The main problems with Edison LPs were technical. Acoustic recording was being pushed to its limit; and even if they used electrical recordings from 1927 on, the playback was still acoustic. This required an extremely heavy reproducer to get any decent volume; and, with the tiny stylus, it was more than the record surface could bear for long.
Another problem was being able to cut a 12 or 20 minute side in one session: if there was one mistake, the whole take would have to be scrapped. This is why the Edison LPs were almost exclusively dubbed from regular discs, instead of taking advantage of the longer format. It wasn't really until the advent of tape recording, with its possibility of editing, that the LP format became practical.
Lucius1958 I agree! Oddly I was thinking about that very question before I found Don’s post, which I had somehow missed!
@@Lucius1958 fair point, thanks for the additional info.
@@Lucius1958 Interesting (especially to hear a good instrumental version of 'Clap Yo Hands' at the end of the first side) - when you say most tracks on the Long Play Diamond Discs were dubbed from regular Diamond Discs, was it known by what method this was acheived, as the quality sounds good given the limitations of the technology at the time.
I love the record and actually have a copy but seems nicer on an old Edison machine.