Cade was a very good quarterback. People forget that he left Nevada holding nearly all the records for quarterbacks in the state. He's not some talentless loser. He's a damn good QB. Yes, JJ was better and I would have rather the transfer been less vocal, but none of that changes that he's a solid QB. He beat OSU and got Michigan to their first playoff appearance. That can never be taken from him. People will quibble about how big his role was but he was up to the challenge where other QB's (Shea, Speight, etc) weren't with teams just as good as the 2021 team
I think that Michigan will perform better than expected this year. I’m not saying that they will go undefeated in every game and win the National Championship again, but I think they will be competitive in every game that they play in. And they WILL beat one team this year that they shouldn’t. Go Blue.
@@clarencewalder2985 very very possible. Or probable. This schedule is not only brutal, but with Oregon, Washington, USC and UCLA joining the conference, the “flavor” of it all will change the dynamics enough to effect the, oh, rhythm? Is that the right word? The rhythm of playing Big 10 football because of the clash of styles. Whomever wins the conference will have at least one conference loss on their record.
Steve thanks as always for a great season. I still go back to your “If Clemson can do it why can’t we?” video after I believe the ‘19 season and just really stands out now after what UM has accomplished the last three years and especially this year! Great stuff
Michigan fan here! And I'm gonna be honest. I see this year turning out a lot like 2017. That year we had a really good running game and defense. But our QB situation was a merry go round! I see that happening this year.
Man I hate to agree but you could be right! That situation was handled poorly in my opinion. Michigan needs to let more Freshmen QBs have a go at it.. how come 🚫su, Bama, Georgia and others do it with success but Michigan won't even try it 🤣. Either way go blue
Remember Gary Danielson's famous quip from all those CBS/SEC telecasts : this is a conference where you can't hide your quarterback ? Hmm ... don't know if the Big Ten is quite that way, but the second half of that quote : he - or the position - needs to make four to six plays per game to ensure victory sounds about right for UM '24 - individual, dual, committee, et al. 🏈🏈🏈
In my opinion it needs to be Alex Orji. The single biggest reason is that the guy can run. Modern football requires QBs to run. Orji has a whole off-season and Fall camp to dev as a passer. But we are a running team and having a running QB that can run a read option is a huge advantage.
after the season we just had, if Michigan goes 10-2 and MAYBE makes it into the playoffs, I would be perfectly fine with the season. Plus I think we will be pleasantly surprised with this team. Also steve, you MUST put either JJs 1 handed catch throw or another play from the rose bowl/ natty game into that intro next year.
Good thing you have nothing to do with the program...will be fine with 10-2??? SMH... I hope the young men who actually play and affect the outcome of games will shock the world again! GO BLUE!!!
@@Derpk-rt9by having expectations of winning a natty every year is unrealistic. There is nothing wrong with what I said. If I was part of the program of course my attitude would be different. But guess what, none of us FANS are part of the program.
The problem with McCord wasnt his arm. Had some fantastic throws. Footwork, lack of pocket presence (had the most grounding penalties I've ever seen). He missed a lot of easy passes. But mostly seemed to lack a real competitive drive. I'll be rooting for, he certainly could become a really good player
The preeminent front-runner: Alex Orji will assume the mantle. JJ McCarthy performed above and beyond his prototypical mobile QB mold. Now Orji who is an actual dual-threat QB, will be able to work that system the way RPO/Spread is designed to operate. The pass is the option not the run... (different nuance) We are going to see exciting offensive football play that harkens back to when Denard Robinson used to light secondaries up... I am totally looking forward to this season. M Go Blue 🏈
@@clarencewalder2985 Imagine going 5-15 (14 + *) to your rival and STILL have a 10 game lead overall!!! Imagine having to cherry pick years to manipulate the numbers to be in your favor!!! 😂 Ohio fans and their imagination…. 🙌🏽ail to The 23’ CFP NATIONAL CHA〽️PIONS 15-0 〽️ichigan Wolverines Go Blue
If Michigan beats TX, I could see them being undefeated when they play Oregon. Assuming both Washington and USC will be challenging games, but do not see them losing those with the defense they have coming back.
I personally don't love that the most commonly cited and best attribute of the annointed QB1 is his ability to "run over" people. If Alex is the guy great, but I would hope his PASSING is what earns him the job. A look back at our boy JJ in the 2023-2024 season: JJ averaged 4.26 carries a game and apparently in NCAA, even sacks are counted as a carry attempt. In a 15 game season he rushed for a total of 202 yards, and that figure also includes yardage lost in a sack. His longest run was 22 yards and his average run was 3.2 yards. 3 rushing TDs the whole season. Make of it what you will. We don't know what these guys look like at practice so we'll just argue about the spring game performances. I just hope whoever is QB1 can do more than run the ball. Fantasies of our QB being ironman and bowling defenders over every other play will only give us turnovers and an injured QB. We already have RBs, let's use them. I wish them all luck and I'll support whoever wins but the starter should get used to half the fans calling for the backup if things don't look great. Happens all the time 🤣
They do NOT have a championship level QB on the roster now. Wish they would try to pull a big name through the portal. Tamper away like all the big schools do.
He’s not the same caliber player as Bijon Robinson, but has the same ‘style’ which is sought after. He’ll have inflated enough stats too since he’s the CLEAR RB1 on the roster and will get fed in this offense.
@@joelopez1775 Because he gets arm tackled a lot, and isn't a threat unless he gets to the 2nd level. He struggled last season. Should be a full time receiver instead of RB. Gonna be a long year for him, starting in game one. Texas will key on him bigtime and make Orgi throw pix. Orgi should be at running back.
Orji should be the starter because of his running ability. And simply because he is a phenomenal athlete! But Moore will likely platoon multiple quarterbacks in the early season. Which he should to see which one performs best in games.
Don’t tell me Alex Orji can’t be JT Barrett JT Barrett could not throw the football but knew how to pick up them yards on the ground when you needed them. That’s the kind of offense Michigan’s got run. They gotta try to beat Texas Ohio State, Oregon one of those games and then hope they don’t have no hiccups with the rest of the schedule any go 10 and 2
I'm not being a optimist because of what I seen Cade do. What I am saying is Georgia won back to back with a good QB not elite. Imo that's what Michigan did last year. I didn't think JJ was the best, all though I don't think he hit his ceiling. I thought JJ was a good QB, he made the plays we needed most when it mattered. It's my belief, that we can develop the guy's we have to the level we need them to be at. Finger's crossed, I hope I'm right.
I’m tired of hearing that Warren and Orji don’t have the necessary game experience to be winning QB’s. Orji has played meaningful snaps in big games. He has shown his athletic ability as a runner. He can handle the ball. Davis Warren has been in the program since 2021, he is 22 years old, he practices against superior defensive players, many of which are on NFL rosters or will be next year. I expect both Orji and Warren to hit the ground running in 2024. Yes, both will make rookie mistakes but both have what it takes to win games for Michigan. I think both are better now than Cade McNamara was when Michigan beat OSU and won the Big 10 Championship in 2021.
you guys are crazy for putting Texas on the schedule, ugh, as a Buckeye, there is only one team we have beat, and thats Michigan. you guys have to beat Oregon, Texas, and Ohio State. honestly. you guys have Ohio states situation from last year. its going to be a tough year for you guys. hopefully, the entire offensive line from Michigan transfers to Ohio State. lol jks. we need a line. that is our only problem,
Davis Warren. 9 throws, 140 yards, 2 passing touchdowns. This is a no-brainer. Alex Orji can be the best backup in the country, and Tuttle will get some snaps as well.
Defense wins. Michigan should average a minimum of 27 points per game regardless of who is QB, particularly with the talent level in the room. With that defense, they will allow a maximum of 14 points per game, more likely 10. Do the math, folks. They will roll quite well with the QB they have. Can they win a Natty with the guys in the room? Yes! They absolutely CAN. Will they? We don't know. It's highly unlikely, statistically and logically improbable. They could bring in Arch Manning or Peyton Manning and there's no guarantee they will win any more games. Football is a team sport and we have at least 3 guys who can compete at the highest level of college football. They deserve a chance. I'm starting to resent all of these Michigan men not respecting our own and continuing to cry and whine for an unnamed, unknown outsider to come in and take over at QB. I think they have the TEAM to rise to the top. I wouldn't mess with that UNLESS there is a clear UPGRADE...and there's not. Stop it already. You're a downer on the program and a kick to the teeth of these outstanding, young QBs who have worked so hard and have stayed the course.
Steve Deace- the guy who predicted us to lose to the buckeyes for years in a row and thought we were gonna lose the rose bowl. What a complete joke of a "fan"
3:39 misleading ronnie bell michael barrett ryan hayes were 7th round picks mcgrone, mayfield, haskins have nothing in the league a dozen other players in that class transferred. we won in SPITE of lack of recruiting in that class there was like 1-2 good college players and 1 elite player (hutch) stop pretending like recruiting doesn’t matter
Dude can you stop talking about Tuttle and more about Warren. Kids been grinding since day 1 on campus, showcases his JJ like QB play in the spring game and everyone keeps saying TUTTLE. THE DUDE GETS INJURED AND HAS NOT HAD MANY MEANINGFUL SNAPS! Just stoppppp
Twas a great season, indeed. Go Blue!
Absolutely college sports-history 1K%, no if ends or but's about it! Always, GOBLUE-NATTYUP🏆!
Look at the growth of milroe at bama ... If Michigan can get that growth outta orgi , then Michigan should be in good shape.
Hope springs eternal
When cade got his chance... Michigan was down in a game by 17pts , if my memory serves me right... He threw the ball good enough to win that game.
Cade was a very good quarterback. People forget that he left Nevada holding nearly all the records for quarterbacks in the state. He's not some talentless loser. He's a damn good QB. Yes, JJ was better and I would have rather the transfer been less vocal, but none of that changes that he's a solid QB. He beat OSU and got Michigan to their first playoff appearance. That can never be taken from him. People will quibble about how big his role was but he was up to the challenge where other QB's (Shea, Speight, etc) weren't with teams just as good as the 2021 team
I think that Michigan will perform better than expected this year. I’m not saying that they will go undefeated in every game and win the National Championship again, but I think they will be competitive in every game that they play in. And they WILL beat one team this year that they shouldn’t. Go Blue.
Yeah I agree likes solid 10-2 make playoffs win one then probably loss in the second round
I agree AND also lose to 1 team they shouldn't. And don't be surprised if they lose to 2 teams because of the QB and coaching
@@clarencewalder2985 very very possible. Or probable. This schedule is not only brutal, but with Oregon, Washington, USC and UCLA joining the conference, the “flavor” of it all will change the dynamics enough to effect the, oh, rhythm? Is that the right word? The rhythm of playing Big 10 football because of the clash of styles. Whomever wins the conference will have at least one conference loss on their record.
@@clarencewalder2985😂pleeease 😂 coaching will be good 👍🏾
@@johnnywebb2351right he a old hater
Did anyone see D Warren? How could we ask for more. Open your eyes.
He did that same thing in the Spring Game 2 years ago. He's a great practice QB, but not a game QB.
@@brenthart211 he's not been in a game long enough for anyone to know that.
Steve thanks as always for a great season. I still go back to your “If Clemson can do it why can’t we?” video after I believe the ‘19 season and just really stands out now after what UM has accomplished the last three years and especially this year!
Great stuff
It's been a hell of a season. Go Blue!
Enjoyed the show today - great discussion with Mark.
I love summer, but I am always excited for the return of football in the fall!
I believe Davis Warren will emerge the starter a solid young man with the Moxy to lead.
Really? A young man who never thrown a pass in a game comes in a lead Michigan to a 8 and 4 season if he starts
@clarencewalder2985 better than orgi
DW is an outstanding young man and QB. However, AO is the QB. The new Big Ten is real. Trust Coach, trust the process.
@@user-xz9xy8bh6r it will never happen
@@clarencewalder2985Orji has never thrown a pass in a meaningful game either lol
Michigan fan here! And I'm gonna be honest. I see this year turning out a lot like 2017. That year we had a really good running game and defense. But our QB situation was a merry go round! I see that happening this year.
Noooooooo!!! 😩😣
Man I hate to agree but you could be right! That situation was handled poorly in my opinion. Michigan needs to let more Freshmen QBs have a go at it.. how come 🚫su, Bama, Georgia and others do it with success but Michigan won't even try it 🤣. Either way go blue
If it does become a merry-go-round, I'm rooting for Jadyn Davis to be the winner when it stops.
Remember Gary Danielson's famous quip from all those CBS/SEC telecasts : this is a conference where you can't hide your quarterback ? Hmm ... don't know if the Big Ten is quite that way, but the second half of that quote : he - or the position - needs to make four to six plays per game to ensure victory sounds about right for UM '24 - individual, dual, committee, et al. 🏈🏈🏈
That great Maize and Blue mp on Mark's shirt looks fabulous on him.
The spring game indicated that Warren will be a great QB!
And Warren’s play in actual games last year indicated he’s just an average QB.
Just saying we need to update the intro to include moments from this season.
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Next season you should add a the clip of Blake corum dragging 2 bama defenders into the end zone to score to the beginning of the show
Why not run a triple option package with Orji for perhaps a drive per quarter?
Steve - have you heard about the impending dissolution of the NCAA? Would be great to hear your input on the BIG/SEC powerhouse running the show.
In my opinion it needs to be Alex Orji. The single biggest reason is that the guy can run. Modern football requires QBs to run. Orji has a whole off-season and Fall camp to dev as a passer. But we are a running team and having a running QB that can run a read option is a huge advantage.
after the season we just had, if Michigan goes 10-2 and MAYBE makes it into the playoffs, I would be perfectly fine with the season. Plus I think we will be pleasantly surprised with this team. Also steve, you MUST put either JJs 1 handed catch throw or another play from the rose bowl/ natty game into that intro next year.
Good thing you have nothing to do with the program...will be fine with 10-2??? SMH... I hope the young men who actually play and affect the outcome of games will shock the world again! GO BLUE!!!
@@Derpk-rt9by having expectations of winning a natty every year is unrealistic. There is nothing wrong with what I said. If I was part of the program of course my attitude would be different. But guess what, none of us FANS are part of the program.
The problem with McCord wasnt his arm. Had some fantastic throws. Footwork, lack of pocket presence (had the most grounding penalties I've ever seen). He missed a lot of easy passes. But mostly seemed to lack a real competitive drive. I'll be rooting for, he certainly could become a really good player
Imagine if Orji were a full time running back. Who would stop him from getting one hondo per game?
Yep- if Orgi doesn't get the QB job, they should play him at running back. He has an NFL career to think about too.
I think we got the best overall DL in college football I'm not worried about the OSU offensive line.
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The preeminent front-runner: Alex Orji will assume the mantle. JJ McCarthy performed above and beyond his prototypical mobile QB mold.
Now Orji who is an actual dual-threat QB, will be able to work that system the way RPO/Spread is designed to operate.
The pass is the option not the run... (different nuance)
We are going to see exciting offensive football play that harkens back to when Denard Robinson used to light secondaries up... I am totally looking forward to this season.
M Go Blue 🏈
Michigans going be alright just like any other team we arent falling off the map like when rich rod took over.
Wouldnt be surprised we defend our national title
If UM has to shuffle QBs it could be a long season.
I'm standing by my prediction that Jack Tuttle will start in game #1!
Folks just continue to underestimate the Wolverines ok just keep sleeping.
Really? How so? Last 3 season OR last 20 years?
@@clarencewalder2985
Imagine going 5-15 (14 + *) to your rival and STILL have a 10 game lead overall!!!
Imagine having to cherry pick years to manipulate the numbers to be in your favor!!! 😂
Ohio fans and their imagination….
🙌🏽ail to The 23’ CFP
NATIONAL CHA〽️PIONS
15-0 〽️ichigan Wolverines
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Seems like Warren will be the guy if I only go from spring.
If Michigan beats TX, I could see them being undefeated when they play Oregon. Assuming both Washington and USC will be challenging games, but do not see them losing those with the defense they have coming back.
the offense has looked it's best when our quartback is involved in the run game
You need a new intro with the perfect season we had last year.
I personally don't love that the most commonly cited and best attribute of the annointed QB1 is his ability to "run over" people. If Alex is the guy great, but I would hope his PASSING is what earns him the job. A look back at our boy JJ in the 2023-2024 season:
JJ averaged 4.26 carries a game and apparently in NCAA, even sacks are counted as a carry attempt. In a 15 game season he rushed for a total of 202 yards, and that figure also includes yardage lost in a sack. His longest run was 22 yards and his average run was 3.2 yards. 3 rushing TDs the whole season.
Make of it what you will. We don't know what these guys look like at practice so we'll just argue about the spring game performances. I just hope whoever is QB1 can do more than run the ball. Fantasies of our QB being ironman and bowling defenders over every other play will only give us turnovers and an injured QB. We already have RBs, let's use them. I wish them all luck and I'll support whoever wins but the starter should get used to half the fans calling for the backup if things don't look great. Happens all the time 🤣
You will see more QB runs, RPOs, and zone reads from the Buckeyes in 2024.
No sound ... 😢
Orji needs to prove he can pass… if there’s no threat or limited ability, that’ll make the offense one dimensional.
Kalel Mullings will be RB1
They do NOT have a championship level QB on the roster now. Wish they would try to pull a big name through the portal. Tamper away like all the big schools do.
if you guys were going to get a QB it would have been in the fall window. the only players in the portal now are nobodies.
A whole silent episode?
Orji's highest value is as a DK Metcalf-like receiver and mix him in at QB. Get him the ball in space and let him run over people!
Who is your coach going be. What happens if Moore is one of the coaches given a show cause?
Hes not one of the coaches obviously none of the show cause coaches are on the current coaching staff
Edwards as RB1 is crazy
How
He’s not the same caliber player as Bijon Robinson, but has the same ‘style’ which is sought after. He’ll have inflated enough stats too since he’s the CLEAR RB1 on the roster and will get fed in this offense.
@@joelopez1775 Because he gets arm tackled a lot, and isn't a threat unless he gets to the 2nd level. He struggled last season. Should be a full time receiver instead of RB. Gonna be a long year for him, starting in game one. Texas will key on him bigtime and make Orgi throw pix. Orgi should be at running back.
@@joelopez1775 he’s bad at reading blocks, falls down when he gets farted on, and last season he wasn’t even average. He wasn’t good.
@@tinicon2244 dude had 10 games under 4 YPG. Miss me with that comparison lol
Steve.....if that "burning" continues, consult your physician.
Orji should be the starter because of his running ability. And simply because he is a phenomenal athlete! But Moore will likely platoon multiple quarterbacks in the early season. Which he should to see which one performs best in games.
We need a quarterback, not a running back.
Orgi should be at RB.
Triple option time
If there is zero passing threat then they will face 9 and 10 man boxes. Aka 3 yards per carry.
Don’t tell me Alex Orji can’t be JT Barrett JT Barrett could not throw the football but knew how to pick up them yards on the ground when you needed them. That’s the kind of offense Michigan’s got run. They gotta try to beat Texas Ohio State, Oregon one of those games and then hope they don’t have no hiccups with the rest of the schedule any go 10 and 2
Go get Kyle McCord and beat OSU with him 😂
I'm not being a optimist because of what I seen Cade do. What I am saying is Georgia won back to back with a good QB not elite. Imo that's what Michigan did last year. I didn't think JJ was the best, all though I don't think he hit his ceiling. I thought JJ was a good QB, he made the plays we needed most when it mattered. It's my belief, that we can develop the guy's we have to the level we need them to be at. Finger's crossed, I hope I'm right.
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We need to find you a new intro with some new material... Rose Bowl...Big Ten champ games...OSU games....oh, and the NATTY. Duh.
Csde didnt share alot of time with jj.
Steve u know good and well u wouldnt be good with mich having the year off
I’m tired of hearing that Warren and Orji don’t have the necessary game experience to be winning QB’s. Orji has played meaningful snaps in big games. He has shown his athletic ability as a runner. He can handle the ball. Davis Warren has been in the program since 2021, he is 22 years old, he practices against superior defensive players, many of which are on NFL rosters or will be next year. I expect both Orji and Warren to hit the ground running in 2024. Yes, both will make rookie mistakes but both have what it takes to win games for Michigan. I think both are better now than Cade McNamara was when Michigan beat OSU and won the Big 10 Championship in 2021.
5 star ratings all opinionated systrem
you guys are crazy for putting Texas on the schedule, ugh, as a Buckeye, there is only one team we have beat, and thats Michigan. you guys have to beat Oregon, Texas, and Ohio State. honestly. you guys have Ohio states situation from last year. its going to be a tough year for you guys. hopefully, the entire offensive line from Michigan transfers to Ohio State. lol jks. we need a line. that is our only problem,
And they told Lamar Jackson to be a wr😂😂 you don't know till you give orji a chance
Deace thinks Michigan has the number one guy at every position
Has literally never said that
That's because it's true
Loveland definitely is TE1. Mason Graham is definitely DT1. Will Johnson is definitely CB1. And Barham is possibly LB1 (non ED LB).
Open mouth remove all doubt
Too much optimism. MI will go 9-3, 10-3 with bowl game
Easily 3 loss season in new Big Ten
Still unknowns?? We could have Lamar Jackson at an you never know
Davis Warren. 9 throws, 140 yards, 2 passing touchdowns. This is a no-brainer.
Alex Orji can be the best backup in the country, and Tuttle will get some snaps as well.
Defense wins. Michigan should average a minimum of 27 points per game regardless of who is QB, particularly with the talent level in the room.
With that defense, they will allow a maximum of 14 points per game, more likely 10. Do the math, folks. They will roll quite well with the QB they have. Can they win a Natty with the guys in the room? Yes! They absolutely CAN. Will they? We don't know. It's highly unlikely, statistically and logically improbable. They could bring in Arch Manning or Peyton Manning and there's no guarantee they will win any more games. Football is a team sport and we have at least 3 guys who can compete at the highest level of college football. They deserve a chance. I'm starting to resent all of these Michigan men not respecting our own and continuing to cry and whine for an unnamed, unknown outsider to come in and take over at QB.
I think they have the TEAM to rise to the top. I wouldn't mess with that UNLESS there is a clear UPGRADE...and there's not.
Stop it already. You're a downer on the program and a kick to the teeth of these outstanding, young QBs who have worked so hard and have stayed the course.
Steve Deace- the guy who predicted us to lose to the buckeyes for years in a row and thought we were gonna lose the rose bowl. What a complete joke of a "fan"
To be fair, he didn't realize at the time that michigan would cheat to win. Kinda surprised everyone.
3:39 misleading
ronnie bell michael barrett ryan hayes were 7th round picks
mcgrone, mayfield, haskins have nothing in the league
a dozen other players in that class transferred. we won in SPITE of lack of recruiting in that class there was like 1-2 good college players and 1 elite player (hutch)
stop pretending like recruiting doesn’t matter
If you guys are down bad enough at receiver to need to rely on Amarion Walker……lololololololol. That beautiful man….beautiful.
Over / under. Amarion yards at UM as WR vs this kids subs by next seasons end?
Yes you won the Natty and Yes keep telling yourself that.
Correct. We won the national championship. And according to the president of the NCAA, we won it "fair and square".
Cry more 😢😢keep hating 〽️🔵
@@kevinpowers2959 yup
Like I said.
Dude….you are completely delusional…..you will be regressing to the mean…..and assume your traditional place as OSU runner up
Traditionally speaking goofball ‼️ We got more wins than you don't you ever forget that son‼️
We spotted y’all 2 decades and you’re still behind in the series by 10 wins. Talk about assuming your traditional place.
Michigan is an assistant coach with a propensity to cheat away from another strong year.
Dude can you stop talking about Tuttle and more about Warren. Kids been grinding since day 1 on campus, showcases his JJ like QB play in the spring game and everyone keeps saying TUTTLE. THE DUDE GETS INJURED AND HAS NOT HAD MANY MEANINGFUL SNAPS! Just stoppppp