5 Tips on how to PRICE YOUR MURALS, Get PAID & Not Get SCREWED | The Business of Murals Part 2
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- čas přidán 8. 12. 2018
- On this part we talk about how to get paid for your murals, how to price your murals, how to not get screwed as an artists. We also talk about art deposits and some other tips and insider secrets on painting murals.
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Have you done any album art for anyone? And how would you go about contracting a deal with a music artist?
I have people asking me to do cover art for them all the time. But they want to get away with paying me a one time payment, of like $40. Half the time I tell them I want royalties. A small percentage of the prophet of each album sold with my art on it. Most of the time, these people really don't appreciate the work they are asking for.
Any advice would be appreciated.
This is some very professional advice,wonderful!
Hey, thanks, needed this right now, the part about projects that fall through.. :D Maybe a Vid about red flags when chosing clients? :]
Have you done a #3 on this topic yet?
Next tip for artists is to make sure and not get carried away with a job. Sometimes you get so excited about a possible job that you go above and beyond and try to do way more than requested of you and create all these complex and intricate designs that you're proud of only to then have the client not like it or fall through on approving the project. Be sure to find the balance between offering a quality service and being adequately compensated for you expertise
This, this so much. I wish someone explained this to me when I was younger and starting out. As a passionate artist it is so easy to fall into this cycle. I would wast so much time with a "potential client", and when they showed just the smallest bit of interest, I would rush to the desk and draft up a handful of different designs. Without even talking to them first about what they even wanted or ever getting any real "your hired" from them. Just the excitement of a possible client takes over and your off. Needless to say, those clients would just never email back after that overwhelming initial email lol.
But were all young once, and these are mistakes we all make. You learn and grow from it.
Yes! And that goes for emails.. Keep it very simple and to the point! These people are busy like you are!
Another tip: The contract should include a clause that the mural can not be intentional destroyed or covered up without notifying you/the artist prior to removing/painting over the work. If the person/company commissioning the work doesn't own the building/wall they need have permission from the owner and hopefully get them to agree/sign the contract that they will contact the artist to repair/freshen the art work and that they will not remove/coverup or destroy the work before the artist has a chance to document/photograph the work or a way to remove it (i.e. if the mural was painted on detachable panels).
Never sign away your copyrights or Intellectual Property Rights for original/concept art!!! Unless the client is willing to pay double or triple the price depending on who it is and what they're going to do with images of your work. Also include a line that you/the artist will receive name credit for any images of the mural (whether partial or full) appear in print or digitally.
This is a big one, I had a mural covered up when a new business moved into a building and it was heartbreaking. The original mural had the name of the business included in it, so I sorta see why they did it, but it didn’t make it any less of a bummer (especially since I _really_ didn’t want to include the business name in the first place, but they really insisted) I also think it just looks bad to have your work covered.
I really like the added part about including credit in any images shared in print or online, I never would’ve thought of that and it’s MAJOR. The whole point of a contract is to create a written and enforceable doc that lays out all the shit you assume/hope will happen anyway. I really need to let my lawyer buddy make me one. Do you bring it to them on paper, and stand there and wait for them to sign it? Or do you send it over and let them get it back to you later? And then where do you store it? I hope these aren’t too legallish of questions, I see it more of a logistics thing. I never know how to go about it, like bring it up and get it done and get it back and all that. So I’ve skipped it- and as you can guess, this has cost me *thousands* of dollars over the years.
Who cares 💀💀 it is a damn job
Hey TenHundred, I am not a murialist but as a 3D artist I found your video very helpful and applicable to digital artist. Thanks !
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Im an illustrator and multi media artist (I do small murals on the side) and all of these tips are sooooo true! I had my last nightmare client and they taught me (I taught me afterward) so much about protecting myself and making sure we email eeeevvvveeerrryyything! If they can not communicate via email or messaging and thing We are going to just verbally talk about what they want... I run in the other direction. Thats been about 2 years ago and I haven't had that or any other major issues with clients since then! Just a bunch of angelic clients! Also keeping your ownership. I have illustrated over 200 books and unfortunately did not know how valuable I was. I no longer offer "Ghost" illustration after I saw my illustrations on a best selling book with another person as illustrator made me sick to my stomach! Yuck! You have as new Sub right here!
ohhhhh yes - thanks for the video, I can underline everything you said. Especially doing photomontages decreases a loot of problems - BUT NEVERRRR NEVERRR let the client alone with your print and the finished mural... Dunno why, but they start to compare, like they want to find a "mistake"... Destroy the print immediately when you are nearly done. And never let the client compare... this seems to be some psychological thing... good video - in case of pricing it is a little bit more complicated, but having a fixed price is always better than getting money per hour - especially if the client is staring at you while the whole process.... looking forward to more videos like this!
That bit about the concept and the finished product - there can always be a clause in the contract to cover a disclaimer that concept is CONCEPT and doesn't represent a warranty that the final product will correspond precisely to it. You never know what might come between your concept and the finished art - substrate, bad lighting, paint availability and quality (if you're buying in a foreign location) anything can screw with the perception of the final product.
@@clmclachlan customers don’t care, the find a “mistake” and they are unhappy.
I've been doing mural work for someone that themes and manages airbnbs for almost a year now. Looking at branching out on my own now and Im finding your info on the subject really helpful.
Super valuable info! Your channel is growing so fast!
Creativity Weekly thanks dood!
More Real, straight forward Art and content like this please.. Back to basics. July, 2022. Thanks, brother.
Another great video!! Thanks for the value
Sending positive vibes bro. Thanks for the info.
Great info! Thank you for putting this info out there!
This was great. Thank you.
Super happy I found this channel. Thanks for the info.
Thank you so much for this video!
You are so informative! Thank you. Please upload more more of these.
Awesome video with very helpful tips, thanks!
Fantastic content. Thank you!
Dope video, thank you!
Great vid!
Loved this video my man ..
These are amazing tips! Thank you very much!
Thanks bud great advise across the board!
Subscribed. Your content is helpful & wonderful. Thank you
Really appreciate you making these videos..
Amazing video, thanks!
Respect bro!! Sending positive vibes your way
Good tips Ten Hundred Loco!
You are awesome... just what I needed to know - THANK YOU!
These videos have really given me a lot to think about! Thanks man! Really helpful!
You always sharing what matters! thanks man
Super great tips. Appreciate your willing to share and help 🤜🤛
This was some really good advice and applies to most art jobs. Quality content as usual!
Good luck with all the new fans :) Thanks you for the valuable advice.
Love you 10Hun. Watching and taking notes in my artist notebook so I can level up!
oh yeah!! On the money man, I am literally going through this process right now. Super helpful yet again brother. Thanks.
thanks for sharing man, so inspiring for me as artist. may you always healthy
You're top notch, Ten Hundred. I love your amazing artwork, but your super positive attitude tops everything. Thanks for uplifting the digital universe with these vids.
Great videos!!! Thank you for the info. I've learned the hard way about contracts and my time& effort being just as valuable as my work.
A true artist 🎨 soulful work 👁
Man, thank you for being the best teacher ever and a huge inspiration :)
Tip number 3 was really helpful. Thanks dude
love the ending especially! thanks for this video.... really really interesting and useful!
Thus video is amazing, thank so much for sharing your knowledge and experience! Something else I’ve found incredibly helpful is to add in a late fee for any late payments - it can help that company’s accounts team magically work faster 😅
Bro this helped alot. We need more videos like this
Hey my name is Stevie Cray i am a rapper from South Africa who is look to get in to mural art and thanks for the information you've provided to me about the profession and I'm looking forward to see taking it to the next level ❤
Great tips, thanks! I'm just getting started with mural art 😁
Wow!! This help so much. I'm doing my first mural and checking youtube for tips... lol . You explain so well thanks!
Yea the not get screwed part bruh,,,,Yeeeeea as a creative i take it were all gonna go through the get screwed over phase,which sucks!!! but its more of a learning curve for us all ay.... thank you Ten Hundred for sharing this with us.
Dope! very helpful and Fantastic wall.
Legendary advice. That last one is gold!
Brilliant advice! Thanks so much from London, UK✨👌
You're awesome. Just sharing your experience and being a professional made me want to watch more. Keep it up!
hey i wanna just say thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with us its super usefull for beginning artists like myself thnx... ur killin it by the way most pro
really good advice here, you are a true professional 10hun
Murals look dope! Good video to display your talents.
Good advice I'll keep it in mind
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I like all your opinions on these subjects!
Great info! I have experience painting murals and all of these tips are great. Being very professional and organized goes a long way and protects you and shows you care about your client and your work!
Im about to do my first mural for this local shop where i live. Went immediately to this video for tips. Thanks ten hun ☺
Thank you for your tips, Peter! They are helpful for any artist. Great way to promote professionalism.
OUH; now, it`s already here! THANKS a lot !!
Cool video! Thx!
The best promo ever lol i can totally see myself doing this in a few years. It's cool seeing artist work, specially your video where you worked with an unknown company. It helps me see how difficult it was for Michelangelo to do his sistine chapel. It's quite beautiful
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Awesome video man, thank you! :)
Concept art point is a really good one. I've made fast (bad) concept art before assuming that the client will be able to jump the difference from that to my usual quality, like its just a sketch for subject/composition, but its not necessarily the case and people can react weirdly. Much better to spend a good time producing good work even at concept level like you do. Your point in general to not assume anything and to communicate clearly is gold for this and for communication in life in general.
Fabulous tips Peter, and thank you for sharing your expert advice. And folks, pls don't forget to get half up front before starting the job. That was a hard lesson I learned when I first started commissions a few yrs ago.
Been following your work religiously! Absolutely love the work you do, would dream of being at that level. It’s so inspiring to see the dedication and passion with which you work. Each piece is so unique but your style is consistent throughout. I wish that I could watch you work in real life some day! #no1fan
Really glad I found your channel. Just got the gig fro my first mural so I have really been learning from your vids! A video about how you make your concept art and apply it to buildings and walls on photoshop would be really helpful :)
This Video is worth a million. How would you approach asking a business to paint a mural? Would you just go to the owner and say, "hey, I'd like to paint a mural, is that something you're interested in? (plus, these are the benefits of having artwork in your business)"
peace, Ray
Freakin love your channel. SO inspiring 👌
Awesome ,thanks calif
This is gold
Hi TenH, many thanks for the video. I just started full-time as an artist after ten years of painting. and I learned some things I never thought about. thanks! greetings from Belgium
Thanks a lot for this. It's so sad when people knowingly or unknowingly shy away from rewarding us artist for a high quality job that requires time and a large amount of creativity
Honestly mate, youve got one of the most inspirational youtube channels, Im a Landscape architect and I always look to your videos for inspiration!! Keep it up bro
Super dope video, and you are super dope. Thank you!
Sos un genio! Thanks for your work, you inspire me
Informative! Stay Blessed bro!
Chucc Brown thank you!
Dude! U are awesome! I love to see someone so successful and yet so humble. U and the wife are living my dream, 🤜
Really helpful n straight up very profesional yet informative. Answered my questions n it made sense. Im barely going to start my own walls n start up my business as well.
Amazing info and a great video. You are the most generous person sharing your experience. Very thankful for you! Loved "Live and let live." And move on.
Thank you. I'm glad you liked it and I hope it is helpful to you and others.
Hella helpful info, I hope to do murals one day
Yesss!! Been waiting for days
Kenneth Cabuyao thanks for patiently waiting and watching 😬
Thank you! I really appreciate this video
NICE! Thanks for watching
You are amazing thank you so much 💕💕💕💕💕💕
Thank you for the vid! It's super helpful! :D
You're very welcome
I really inspire your mural concept Hopefully i can do this at home.
This helped so much man seriously you are the bee's knees 🤙🤙🤙🤙
Dude, you will be the reason I get into murals...actually working on one I will try to send to you when it is done
thanks a lot Buddy! God bless you more...
Great videos man! Thanks for making these and I hope to see more in the future! I recently just opened an art studio/gallery/shop and I would love to hear your advice on merchandising and running a small business as a self employed artist. Cheers from Vienna!
Thank you. Helpful video. Greatly appreciated.:)
Freshiscool you’re welcome! Thank you for watching
Holy shit, you're not only an amazing artist.. you're an amazing person with that speech about not blasting everything online if something goes South with a job... keep on being you!
Dope art dude. Keep that shit up!!!
Dope art also inspiring
Keep up the good work homie. It's gonna be exciting to see where this artistic path takes us, and it looks like you've got a good foundation established to build from.
Krispy Dreemz thanks so much! :)
Thanks for the advice about not airing bad gigs on line.