Searching for the Slayers | Warhammer Fantasy Dwarfs
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- čas přidán 14. 09. 2023
- Dwarfs of the Warhammer Old World have long been known as proud, brave, ale-drinking, oath-swearing warriors, but there’s also always been a small population of wild, orange-haired, maniacs, seeking doom in every glorious battle! The slayers feel like one of the most iconic and long-lasting aspects of Warhammer lore, and yet they weren’t there from the start. So where did they come from?
I try to trace the earliest appearances of dwarf berserkers and their evolution in the slayers that we know and love. Starting with Warhammer Fantasy Battle, passing through Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, and of course pausing to hang out with Gotrek and Felix, the journey from Tolkienesque stoic Dwarfs to Age of Sigmar’s entire race of slayers has been an interesting one!
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This video is going to slay
Yaaaaaaas Gotrek
Shameless... 😂
Playing a Necromatic team in blood bowl, I killed a slayer and raised him from the dead. Thus a slayer zombie.
Tortured soul…and hilarity at its finest.
I fondly remember seeing a grab bag of mixed old metal dwarves for £7.50 in my local modelshop, which I bought painted and enjoyed only to find out much later that amongst them was these Lords of legend. 😊
That’s a great find!
Gotrek approves of this video manling
Glorious! We had a slayer in our Warhammer RPG group, good times and good times working up those slayer levels with them.
Another great dive in Warhammer history! Please sir, I want some more!
Plenty more being worked on in my sorcerer’s workshop!
As someone who has a Warhammer Slayer army - amongst all my other dwarves of decades ... this was very enjoyable. Cheers 😆👍
Another great one, well done. Only point of criticism: less table space on the left, more catto on the right!
Fair criticism!
Along with the Goblin-Hewer the Storm Of Chaos book had another great if rather silly Slayer unit for it's Slayers Army List, the Slayer Doomseekers, a Slayer wielding two axe heads on long chains that spin into battle
Very nice! Favorite unit in WFB!
Thanks!
Amazing video as always. Love the topic as well. I’m currently playing a Slayer in my WHQ95 campaign. I loved seeing the WHQ mini mentioned, and of course Gotrek was there too!
I was surprised however that 1991 White Dwarf #134’s Kili Thekkrsson the Trollslayer’s profiles for HeroQuest and Advanced HeroQuest weren’t mentioned. The AHQ scenario in that issue is even called “The Trollslayer’s Oath”.
By Grungni’s beard, I’m disappointed I overlooked those! I might have to get you on retainer for future episodes, Nicholas!
Every office has a Wild Nigel
I loved hearing the words "Absolute Unit" followed by classical music. Great stuff.
I’ll take any excuse
more of these unit histories, please. great dive
I’m working on a few more as we write!
Great video on a great topic - have to commend you on your pacing and delivery as a narrator and storyteller, you have an effortless and natural style for it. Keep up the great work and look forward to more!
Totally agree!
Thank you, I really appreciate the compliment
I come to understand after so many years that Slayers are my favorite miniatures from Warhammer ever.
Only Dark Elves comes as a close second, due to they are basically Melnibonéans and I'm a huge Moorcock fan.
"... And I'm not just talking about the players." 😎👉👉
Jordan over here ending whole careers, goddman son 🥵
I shouldn’t have fought the urge to include an air horn celebration
Awesome video, thanks Jordan for delving into these great minis. Could you please one day make a video about the amazing gotrek and Felix.
I think there’s a good possibility of that at some point!
Just stumbled across this - could have done with doing so when it came out as in the meantime I did pretty much the same research and came up with the same answers! Beserkers, WFRP etc. Great video - I've subscribed now.
I'd been going through my old 1980s Dwarfs with a view to sorting them out into some sort of playable army for The Old World (or 6th/8th Editions WFB) and was disappointed that out of a considerable number (40-odd) of Norse Dwarfs I only had one beserker (well two, but the same model - the 'Total Loony' as he's known in old catalogues). A model I had always wanted was the original Juggo (Perry Twins according to Lost Minis btw) as the first game of WFB I ever played was The Magnificent Sven - with the card and paper cutout figures that came with it. I knew there was a Juggo in McDeath which we also played back then, but as you show in the video the card counter for him looked like a human even though he was supposed to be a dwarf - I never discovered until recently that they used one of the best beserker figures for him if you bought the minis. Anyway I've got both of them now and am very happy with them!
I really don't like the vast majority of proper Slayer figures - weapons too big, a bit OTT in general - and much prefer the beserkers even though I'll have to field them as Slayers. Got most of them now. I'm going to claim Kimril Giant Slayer as a beserker though despite his name. He also appeared as the representative figure of the beserker unit (The Enforcers) on the flyer for the 'sample armies' that you could buy by mail order and came with the original Ravening Hordes. One of the other 'Dwarf Lords of Legend' (Throbin Death Eye) also featured in that as a hero that commanded the beserker unit - he had a different name though. Lost my original copy of the flyer, but found it online.
Thanks again for the video, really enjoyed it.
pleased to say I have the very upset berserker in my slayer unit for my old world dwarf army :) along with the full Dwarfs of Legend.
I seem to remember reading that though they are seeking death their sheer dwarf pride and stubbornness means they have to do the best they can in a fight that's why they don't automatically get killed.
That friction in their personality is what makes them such a great idea I think, legendary warriors who both do and don’t want to win!
Great vid again,love the slayers,one of the first sets I collected was the magnificent sven painted a few years ago just need to paint the 100 or so slann for this and the krelmo game,have nearly all the forces for the senerio box sets,shame they don't produce anything like that now as they were always exciting comeing out each year and still love the card buildings and use to this day.
There is a purity to the Slayers like no other fighter in Warhammer. Losing all honour and respect from your fellow dwarves, you forsake all you know to die a glorious death at the hands or claws of the meanist thing you can find. Throwing themselves at mighty beasts in hope of dying spectacularly is just so cool. It is why I dislike the Fyreslayers. Slayers forsake material wealth of gold and such and wouldn't adorn themselves in finery - to me anyway. There is a line in one of the Dwarf armies book somewhere that states that no matter how great the demon or dragon or what have you, if enough slayers are present then the fell beast will be laid low. So cool. - Also, I enjoy your videos, man. Good stuff :)
They’re such an interesting and fun concept! Thanks!
I don't like everything about the old world, the community and Total War especially.
Giant Slayers being failed Troll Slayers is hilarious, I've been chuckling about it the whole video. Great work!
Really great video! Hopefully you’ll do more in this format of other more or less iconic units.
I've recently started collecting older dwarfs and I have around 20 slayers so far ranging from a `87 Dwarf Berserker to the most recent `05 metal slayers and of course various slayer characters. I've loved them since starting the hobby in `98, so great to finally own some myself among other iconic dwarf units.
Fantastic- Huge nostalgia and learn something new every time
There was some lore for the Lords of Legend when I got them with the skulls promotion back in the 90s. It said Kimril was the first of the slayers and that he bested the twin giants, Thunderguts and Stormbelly.
I couldn’t find this anywhere, thank you for sharing! Glad to hear Kimril and the lords had a little more story!
It's a great Saturday when I get a notification for a fresh Jordan Sorcery video. Keep up the great work man 👍😊
Thank you! I’m on it!
Enjoyable as always. I have all the mentioned earliest slayer models so was a real nostalgia blast.
Thank you!
Another great video! Thanks for making those
Glad you’re enjoying them!
Ngl, I created one Slayer in the world of my rp. Didn't get the chance to properly introduce him yet.
Played one in 5e, used the zealot path barbarian and I had a blast. Got him all the way up to lv 20 until he finally found his end against the final boss.
Another great video, sir! While I never played a Slayer in WFRP the characters always intrigued me. I dug the whole vibe of these garish maniacs committed to death.
And I never quite got the dismissal of the Warhammer world as just being a generic mash of fantasy tropes...I suppose it's a fair comment, but I don't think it holds up on its own as actual criticism.
I think there’s some fair things to say about the magpie like creation of early Warhammer lore, but I do believe that the way it was all combined (and added to) is what made the world so compelling, and ultimately unique. And the slayers are a great example of that to me - they’re fun and silly and brutal in all those great Warhammer ways!
Great topic, thanks for the video Jordan!
Glad you liked it!
Is that ‘very upset berserker’ and Juggo the same miniature used in the Heroes for Dungeonquest expansion for Fhyll Madaxe
the Dwarf Berserker? I love that mini!
And I’ve watched more of your video and see you’ve confirmed it 😂
Great miniature, great name!
Great video history, really interesting to know about how this iconic unit came about.
Looking forward to being able to buy them again with old world coming out too!
The goblin hewer was dumb…slayers manning a war machine? Silly.
Doom Seekers, however, perfectly valid. :)
Always good to hear your perspective and lore
I’m glad!
brutal vid!!
Another great video - thanks!
Thank you!
You should di videos on Zoats and Fimir the two unique races of Warhammer Fantasy.
Fimir are definitely on my list, especially given their proximity to my beloved Marienburg!
You missed out on the slayer army from the storm of chaos supplement… with the dwarf version of the goblin fanatic
Great topic, still enjoying the channel!
Glad to hear it!
Great video, i still have my warhammer quest slayer
You’ve done the right thing, I foolishly sacrificed mine to the eBay gods many moons hence. A grudge-able offence no doubt about it!
@@jordansorcery that goes into the book! Haha, hopefully you can get another one, cheers on another great video
SLAYER!
Advanced HeroQuest had a dwarf trollslayer as a companion hero for the dwarf
Forget troll or giant slayer!! How about “Paint Slayer” 😜😂😂
TRUE WARHAMMERRRRRRRR
Um, achtually...
You missed out the 4th edition Bestiary book (from the core box) which included rules and background for all of the four types of slayers before the Army Book was released. (They were included in the army list booklet included in the same box set.)
If memory serves me correctly the background in the Bestiary book was virtually the same as printed in Warhammer Armies Dwarfs.
Good shout, I’m sorry I missed that!
@jordansorcery it is an easy book to overlook, but I think that it is one that deserves a lot more attention than it gets.
If they ever make a GOTREK and FELIX film or tv series, Matt Berry should play Gotrek and Tom Hardy should play felix
Yeah they made a AOS faction who looks like Slayers, but by Grimnirs beard they made them ride dragons, dragons I tell ya'! What kind of proper Slayer would climb up on a dragons back and not cut its head off?
All evil comes from ignorance, so you hate what you don’t understand and don’t want to learn.
This was outstanding.
Thank you, glad you liked it!
Ah yes, 3rd edition WFB... right before the passionate, creative, humorous, and heavy metal GW started to become the "scramble the legal team" GW we know today. I feel very blessed to have experience early WFB and 40k, and quite sorry for those who only know the GW of recent history. Great video, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Jordan... you missed a trick here by not dyeing your hair and beard orange for this one.
Oh no! I’m ashamed of my failure, there’s only one course of action now…
I believe in Dwarf Supremacy
Khazukan khazukit-HA!
I loved the idea of the dwarf slayers, and had another mate not already claimed a dwarf army when we were in school, I think I would've gone with dwarves, and in particular, slayers.
I actually dislike the Fyreslayers as an army though - as an elite option, they're great, but too much of a good thing, without the lore to back them up, and they are just bland...
I think it's interesting though that the new Orruk Ragerz units have basically inherited that lore though. Orruks who were shamed somehow, so try to reclaim their honour by going into battle in the purest form, no armour, and big sticks.
Sucks they aren't dwarves, but close enough.
I’m not all that keen on the Fyreslayers myself (zooming in so close on one small thing can sometimes make it look plain), but I’m not surprised the AoS designers wanted to retain the slayers - they’re such good fun!
Interesting name, Bori Baresarker. Seems frightfully similar to the Nordic word Ber-Serkr, which I’ve seen in some asatraur works spelt bersark. 🧐🤘🏻🇬🇧
I never knew about Malakai’s model! Perhaps from the darker era of my life I guess. Malakai was an absolute barncase. Having invented and built the spirit of grungi. Also… I wanted to AoS as a game. Then they made fyreslayers. And my people had come. That army now stands at a healthy 4,500-5000 points ish….
I don’t know if it’s just me stumbling over it every take, but I wondered if they were maybe punning with Bori’s name as a bare-arse-ker!
@@jordansorcery very possible, the early stuff had all sorts going on pun ways….
You didn't mention the Gotrek mini?
I missed a few classics, though Gotrek may well get his own video at some point!
Slayers, hand 200 or so in my army years back. it was irritating the way one edition a slay was a Giant slayer, next he was a troll slayer, went on for a few editions for some models. Used to cause people to moan, especially when they were beaten quite heavily. Anyway, another decent video.
That slayer vs troll christmas gift is amazing. Great video, but I noticed you never told us when the first in lore use of "That's a grudgin'"
Just cause for a grudgin of your own!
A comment for the algoritm, and cornflakes to the blood god. It was very intresting, what about some lore archeology about the Space Marin Military Police, or is it Military Police in power armor.
That’s an interesting video idea, I’ll add it to the list to check out!
@@jordansorcery Looking forward to your video about Space Marin MP : )
I suspect that the fire slayers and skaven will probably get their range refresh next year or in the next couple of years as I have this feeling they are wanting to remove the rest of the old fantasy models so they can be reboxed for the old world game probably launching next year along with probably AoS 4th edition.
I think you’re probably right, it definitely seems like the WFB armies that were ported over to AOS are now all being distanced from their TOW equivalents.
The fact that Skaven are explicitly not in TOW (yet) makes it seem like they’ll have a while to wait though
@jordansorcery hopefully the recent underworld sculpts for the skaven could be a hint at a future range refresh, those are rather nice.
My thinking for aoe 4e is it will be order vs chaos or destruction potentially, which could give us the skaven or refresh of one of the daemon factions, possibly slaanesh as they are looking rather in need of a refresh and they did the larger daemon models and mortals for them fairly recently. However as you say, they are like skaven not part of the story for tow 1e. Pure speculation om my part.
Anyway, keep up the great videos, do you think you may branch into history of things like necromunda at some point?
I definitely want to get to Necromunda at some point, it’s such a great game and setting!
@@jordansorcery I think it tends to also have some of the best sculpts GW makes, along with some of the most useful bits for kitbashing. Though Underworlds comes close, both seem to allow the sculptors to let loose a bit more than the confines imposed by things like 40k.
Totally agree, they seem to have a lot more space to imbue character and wild concepts in those ranges
l will leave a comment here to prevent myself from becoming a comment in the book of grudges...
A sage choice, one never knows if there’s a slayer keeping an eye out!
I love Fyreslayers because it's Warhammer Age of Sigmar. Everything there is logical and reasonable.
I don’t like old fantasy/old world because it’s just bad and not interesting. And boring.
Am I allowed to say it? Most of the earliest Warhammer art sucked.
Is your surname reall Sorcery? Is that French?
I think that's a pun - it sounds like Sword and Sorcery.
no shit@@georgebailey8179
Evil stunties.. Greedy ´uns.. but dey brew good ale to pillage and loot..
;)