Triple-T #61 - ABS Journeyman - Part 1 - Forging the performance knife
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- čas přidán 8. 12. 2021
- In today's Triple-T (tools, tips and talk) #61, I'll be forging my ABS Journeyman performance test knife! Come along on this journey! (Links Below!)
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Cool! Good luck Denis. Its fun watching you go through this testing process.
Thanks for following along, Dustin! 👍
Glad to see I’m not the only one who forges in slides, lol. Good luck on your test Dennis!
Lol, thanks for your support!
Sounds/looks fun/challenging. Thanks for sharing your journey!
Thanks for following along, Stephen!
I’m so excited to see how this turns out! Great work!
I hope it goes well! 🤞 but that’s why this is the test-before-the-test knife. 👍
I wish you success! Your blades are awesome!
Anxious to watch the next steps on the journey.
Thanks for following along, William!
Great work, I look forward to following along!
Thanks for watching!
Very interesting! Can't wait to see how it performs 👌
I think it's awesome that you are doing this. I've been thinking about it but I won't do it until I get a heat treating oven. Things like this need to be as controlled as possible to be able to perfect the heat treat and temper.
Yeah, I couldn’t imagine doing it without an oven. Thanks for checking out the series. 👍
Now I`ve watched the whole story and I like it ! Keep it up the same way !👍👍👍😊
Thanks for following along!
Looking forward to see how this progresses, Denis
Good job! 🙏🏻
Thanks for following along, Pete!
Look forward to the next one.....
Thanks for following along, Dan!
Time to go on "Forged in fire" ^_^. Excellent show, great challenge to really make smiths learn and push their abilities. It got me into making knives as a hobby. My first even blade shattered due to bad heat treatment. But ive never done that since. :) I really want to get into swords, but dont live in a locatiom with enough space to reslly do it.
I've already applied, several times.. just waiting for my call! 😜
@@TyrellKnifeworks guess we need to send in emails to them supporting you!!! Someone start a petition!! Lll
I think we've all been begging and pleading! I bet they are afraid he'll replace Ben ;)
@@A-Non_kma dream job, check!
awesome video denis looking forward to next weeks episode sure keep us hanging for a week!!!! Lol you will nail your test thats my opinion anyway cant wait happy holidays Mark
Thanks for your support, Mark! I still have final grinding and then the blue-backing to make this baby flexible! 🤞🏻
Good luck, you'll be a journeyman in no time! You've definitely got the talent to do it, my friend
Thanks for your support, Gord!
Nice work.
Thanks for following along!
Can’t wait! The thought of bending a blade 90° makes my stomach hurt lol
You and me both! 😬. Thanks for following along!
“Pleasure at work” that's what I see Denis, I eagerly awaiting the new episode 👍
Thanks for following along!
It’s good to have all the modern day equipment, but it is not necessary. When I took the ABS basic knife making class, I forged a blade from 5160, heated it up in a forge for the edge quench, tempered it in a toaster oven, and blue backed it with a torch. It cut the rope 3x, chopped a 2x4 3x, shaved hair off my arm, and survived the bend test!
Yup, it's certainly not necessary. When it comes to selling knives, it's all about repeatability and consistency though. I like to know exactly what my heat treatment is and what hrc I'm coming out with so that I'm confident its a good knife for a customer. If its just for yourself, go at it however you like. That's my opinion anyway. Thanks for watching!
Right on!!! This is gonna be awesome to watch!🔥⚒💪🏻
Hopefully there's no epic snap on the bend test! 😜
@@TyrellKnifeworks I need a RH tester!!!
@@HeavyForge Yep, I have the Grizzly, works great!
I'm extremely excited about this one, my brother! As an Apprentice in the A.B.S. as well, and going to be doing this myself someday, I can't wait to see you succeed! 💯💪🏻😎👍🏻🔨🔥🗡️
Thanks for following along, Bob!
Congrats mate. A son-in-law who wants to spend time with you connecting and getting dusty is good. I have two daughters. That aside this video was awesome as always very educational and entertaining. Cheers.
Thanks for checking out the video, John! I do love getting folks into the shop and show them they can build things. 👍
exactly awesome !!
Thanks for watching, Ahmet!
Awesome possum!! Excited to see your journey to becoming a journeyman and after that to master. I fully believe you have what it takes to carry you to the top. Keep up the great work its always appreciated. 🔨 🔥 💧 🗡
Thanks so much for your support!
I'm waiting the next video.... thanks for education... And Good luck ...
Thanks for following along, Adam!
Awesome thx for sharing! Always wanted to know what it took to pass!
Hopefully this knife passes. I’ll know next week! 🤞
Looking at 2022 for my Journeyman. Need to spend some more time with a few folks, but I'm getting closer.
Right, I’ll be testing in 2022 as well. Perf test in Jan and the judging at Blade in June.
great work
im going to join next year
can't wait to see you at mastersmith
Do it early in the year because that starts the clock on your 3 years. If you wait until the latter half of the year, you'll have to wait an extra year to go to Blade and present your judging knives. 👍🏻
@@TyrellKnifeworks I'm going to join after the holidays
Its a very busy time right now
I'd love to see a closer look at that scribing tool you used to mark the center of the blade.
Sure, I’ll show it in an upcoming video. I forget where I got it but if I find it I’ll add a link.
You're going for your Journeyman Blade Smith Test... I've seen you so some things that would give a Master a Run for their money... No worries at your end, you got this :)
Personally I would Spherodize the blade first, basically normalize twice at 1550 and 1475 degrees Quench, and then Anneal at 1200 degrees, then do your rough grinding
and final hardening (personally I would go with Differential Hardening so your blade doesn't snap during the bend test plus you get a Hamon line out of the deal so
Win/Win)
Anyhow, Break a Leg Dennis :) .
That’s similar to the heat treat I’m doing except it’s a normalization followed by two grain refinement cycles, then an anneal. Instead of a differential hardening, it’s going to be blue-backed in the next episode. That’s the recommended process for the JS test knives. Thanks for your support.
Do you plan to blue-back it for the bend test or will that temper hold up?
No, it definitely needs to be blue-backed. That will be next week!
I'm not being funny but I think you are at master already
Thanks, I appreciate that, but the fit and finish of a master smith is still beyond where I’m at. I’ll get there though!
I also see many smiths harden the blade then grind the bevels so they don't get warps is that a good policy or does it depend on the knife?
It depends on the knife and the steel. Some steels are shallow hardening (1095 for instance) so doing all your grinding post-heat treat isn't always a good idea. For a lot of stainless steels (AEBL, CMP154) I do all my grinding post-HT for the warp reason and also because its going to be plate quenched. Good questions, Christopher!
I found drilling through hardened material using a sharpened concrete bit or a delablo drill bit works awesome, just a hint for knife makers out there
Yeah, but just annealing it works well, which was a step I had to do anyway. I’ve heard the concrete bits work. 👍
I have`nt watched the video to the end JET, but did you just described "Master Bladesmith" test in the beginning of a video !? 😊
It’s the Jouneyman test. The performance test for Master is the same except it has to be Damascus blade with 300+ layers.
I wish I would have joined the association years ago. I too have been wanting to make a test knife. I don’t think it would be to difficult really. Get your heat treatment right and blue back the spine. Of course with steel that hasn’t been compromised in any way.
Yup, I hope it goes well. That’s why I’m doing a test knife at home first. 👍
@@TyrellKnifeworks I think you’ll do just fine.
Kudos for filming the process warts and all mate. Question tho.. for what reason would you forge bevels, then surface grind, then grind bevels? May as well skip forging and just call it stock removal 😂 good luck!
I had 1.25” stock and I wanted the blade a little wider. That’s why the bevels were forged in a bit, to get the added width, then they were actually ground in. Thanks for watching.
where would one go to get those heat treat temperatures and the temper specs.
Checkout my triple-T video on heat treating. It’s in my Beginner Series playlist. It has all my recipes. So does the Intro to Knife Steels video. Thanks for watching.
I wish you well on your journey! Looking forward to future episodes, but I always cringe at the 90 degree test.
I’m sure I’ll be cringing when I do it! Thanks for following along. 👍
Hey boss man do you have any triple t videos on delam burning metal or anything of that nature
I’m not quite sure what you mean, Bryce. “Delam burning metal”? I have a video on forge welding if that will help.
@@TyrellKnifeworks like what it looks like if you burn the melt, how to fix or not do it hahah. And what delamination is and how to avoid or fix it. And what cold shuts are.
@@TyrellKnifeworks I am getting my first forge for Christmas and hope to jump right into it and just want to avoid all the mistakes I can hahaha. I’ve been trying to watch all your videos. I appreciate you taking the time to help people like me. If you ever have a workshop I’d be down to go to it.
Does it have less of a chance for a crack if it is polished?
No, polishing doesn’t really affect it. So long as there aren’t any 36 grit grinds in it or any other stress risers.
I have no doubt that you will pass your journeyman Smith test
Thanks for your support, David!
@@TyrellKnifeworks you're welcome Denis after all those complicated build you do that simple knife had to be a pleasure to make
@@davidpugh4527 It has its own complications! 😜 Though an easy grind and no hand sanding will be nice.
Technically, for abs test, blade tip up to one third of blade length is clamped and bent... Nice job again Dennis! I gotta wait two more years... So on your quench you set oven for how much over austenite temp? Been thinking of doing this but my recipe calls for 1450-1475° range, so I set on the high end figuring it may lose ten to twenty degrees and still be good... looking forward to your testing...
That’s incorrect. The blade is placed tip first into the vise and the handle is what pressure is applied to. It says right in the test instructions: www.americanbladesmith.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/JS_Test_Final_revised_11-04-2019.pdf. On the quench I find it better to go over a bit. I go around 25F higher and then by the time it hits the oil it’s prefect. My heat treats have been spot on. Thanks for watching.
It says in part 4 that the master smith will mark off 3 inches from the tip with a line. The blade will be inserted into the vice at this mark.
Hey how much oil to quench? should i get two gallons or 5 gallons. The one you made how much quench oil would that knife need?
I would go at least 2 gallons. The best way is to construct your quench tank at least 4" wide and then just use cubic inches to gallons conversion (google) to figure out how much you need. I think my tank is just shy of 2 gallons. Thanks, Christopher.
@@TyrellKnifeworks I wasn't sure how much movement was needed some quench and move it a lot(never side to side i know) some just go up and down a little. So a thin tank is okay? I plan to use an eclectic induction burner that i can plug in to evenly heat the oil so the convection keeps the layers all the same temp and not have cold oil at the bottom hot oil at the top. if 4 inches is plenty i maybe able to build a metal tank and not by the 4 gallon metal bucket with the lid
@@christopherconkright1317 if you’re just doing one blade at a time, the 4” square or round tank is fine. If you are doing repetitive quenches, you might want more volume.
To me, as not a Smith of any kind, the requirements for the journeyman knife sound very steep, am I correct or is this a pretty easy blade to make?
There are two parts to the Journeyman test, the performance test (this one) and the presentation test. Yes, the blade construction for the performance blade is simple. You are proving you are an expert in heat treating and composition. The presentation test is building 5 knives and having them inspected for fit and finish by a panel of master smiths. The latter is a much harder portion of the test. Thanks for watching, Kari!
@@TyrellKnifeworks I shall keenly watch to see how the test goes! I am sure you will ace it!!
Ive got a few questions about the ABS. How do you get into the ABS? Do you always need to wait three years to apply for journyman after applying or however you get in? And is there an age limit to getting in? Your knife looks very good, as always, thank you for the great videos.
If you take a 2-week course at an ABS affiliated school you can drop that requirement to 2 years. There’s no age limit. Thanks for watching, Riley.
@@TyrellKnifeworks So is there a process to getting into the ABS, like a test? Or is there a website that you can join the ABS through?
@@RileyPierce_ No test, just go to www.americanbladesmith.org/ and sign up and pay your fee. It's $60 a year.
@@TyrellKnifeworks ok, thanks
How do you like the incinerator belts
Best belts I’ve ever used. They last forever. Though they seem expensive when you buy them, they last at least 3x longer than other 36 grit belts.
@@TyrellKnifeworks I've run red lable ever since I started a few years ago, may have to add a few to my arsenal,
@@stevegrillot honestly, I tried red label when I started… not a fan. I was using Norton Blaze exclusively until I found these from Brodbeck. 1 incinerator is like 2 or more blaze belts.
Is this a test method for knifesmith certification in the United States? Bending 90 degrees continuously, it sounds very cool. Looking forward to the test video.
Yes, it’s the test for the American Bladesmith Society Journeyman level. The master level performance test is the same but it has to be with a 300+ layer Damascus knife.
@@TyrellKnifeworks What! Gosh! Does this proficiency test have to be done with 300 layers of Damascus steel? Isn't it a single material steel?
@@idleartisans778 the Jouneyman test is mono steel. The Mastersmith test is Damascus.
@@TyrellKnifeworks There is no professional knifesmith certification in China. I am a purely personal hobby. All my knowledge comes from youtube. This is the first time I know the certification exam standards for American knifesmiths, which are too strict. According to Chinese terms, you can count as a teacher I haven't met. I have learned a lot from you. Thank you very much for your answers.
May I ask why you hardened the handle
I always harden it, its just easier. Plus the science is stating that an "edge quench" is bad and the junction between the two areas is brittle, so its better to harden it and then draw it back. The entire spine of this blade will be blue-backed in the next episode.
@@TyrellKnifeworks ok I was wondering and now understand that! Thanks for all your experience!
I don't think anyone has every explained the bend before the bevels before. Thanks
I didn’t forge in much of the bevels, I just wanted the blade a wee bit wider. Bending the blade first is a good trick. 👍
where did you buy the hardness tester
Nice knife I also want to say
I got it from Grizzly. I think it was $1650 shipped to my door. Thanks for watching.
thanks
If you are a journeyman then what does that make most people? Good luck on the way forward.
Subscribers.
Apprentice, if they pay their dues to the ABS.
good morning
Hey Buster! Thanks for checking out the video!
@@TyrellKnifeworks how's the shop work going to day I just started work in the shop
@@chrisweller81 Too many things on the go. Trying to get footage for the sword for sunday's build, working on a Christmas present and another review video plus finish this JS knife.... too much stuff! 🤯
@@TyrellKnifeworks u got this
Wow, just ANOTHER testing for you to spank your opponents with! What happened to your irrigation system by the way?!
You mean the misting system? The problem is that if I’m filming it gets in the way. I use it for final grinding when I’m not filming. 👍
don't they make you take their class to be an apprentice? That is what i read on their site and at 1500$ is out of my price
If you take the class then you can do your JS after 2 years instead of 3. The class is not mandatory if you want to wait the extra year. There's nothing you need to do for apprentice though, just pay them money. 😜
Y'all crazy for wearing sandals in the forge.
Yeah, you get some hot scale in the toes once in a while.
You didnt forge the bevels ... You hammered on the bevel side but then you ground it back into a flat bar. Thats not how it works.
There is no requirement to forge the bevels. It’s actually recommended you don’t fully forge the bevels for the test. I forged them in slightly to get some width is all.
That's all well and good but you were acting like you forged the bevels LOL
@@jblueforge3131 look back, I said I’ll forge the bevels “a bit”.