The last of the Class 319s in London

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  • čas přidán 25. 08. 2024

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  • @thetflthree
    @thetflthree  Před 8 měsíci +2

    Hi guys Hugh here again with a quick update and some corrections to this video
    Unfortunately as of November 27th 2023 the class 319 has been officially retired by WMT as the new class 730s have come in link to a video here: czcams.com/video/vAy4RpKT6o4/video.htmlsi=bUoudLenlSiYz2wQ and Northern have also retired them in early January so therefore. RIP Class 319 1988-2024
    Corrections
    The Class 313 was the first Dual Voltage EMU in the UK as it ran on the Northern City Line and North London Line from 1976 which predates the 319 by a decade.
    Northern are replacing their fleet with class 331s which are being replaced on their existing routes by the 323s transferred from WMT.
    Sad that these iconic (yet flawed) trains are now gone but hey the 730's are fine units and defiantly worth a ride!

    • @maimadha
      @maimadha Před 5 měsíci

      It's sad 319s are gone

  • @MercenaryPen
    @MercenaryPen Před 10 měsíci +16

    pretty clear that London Northwestern are doing the bare minimum of maintenance until the 319s are off lease

    • @jakewynn
      @jakewynn Před 2 měsíci

      yep! They are currently running pretty much exclusively the 350s that are 3+2 (the ones that are due to move to another operator).

  • @LiftFan
    @LiftFan Před 10 měsíci +6

    For a regular commuter I can completely see the complaints. From an enthusiast perspective I like them, I really like the traction motor noise, and the bumpiness makes for a very fun ride

  • @Martindyna
    @Martindyna Před 10 měsíci +3

    A bit of a shock to see a video giving a rather negative view of the Class 319 which to my mind is an iconic EMU.
    When I had my first ride on one in the power car I was sold by the awesome noises, it was like sitting in a loco and you could hear `engineering in action'.
    I didn't appear to be alone in enjoying the noise show either since others could have moved into adjacent cars if they objected but appeared content where they were.
    The 319s were indeed amongst the first UK EMUs to be dual voltage although the first was the Class 313.
    The 319 was the first British Rail unit to use modern thyristor control in place of a camshaft and resistor bank.

  • @steveadams9350
    @steveadams9350 Před 10 měsíci +6

    The class 319 was groundbreaking when it was introduced for the Thameslink route between Bedford and Brighton, and yes I agree against the present Class 700s they do seem very old and noisy and cramped, like Marmite you either loved them or hated them,

  • @MikeWillSee
    @MikeWillSee Před 10 měsíci +3

    The other interesting thing about the 319s is that a few of them have also been converted to bi-mode or diesel-only operation in the form of the class 769, which is in service with Northern and Transport for Wales. GWR had also ordered some but those plans have since been abandoned.

  • @LeonH37
    @LeonH37 Před 10 měsíci +3

    11:19 the same thing happens on our 150s up north, if you're drifting off and a passing train goes past at speed it makes a bit of a bang sound and I've seen it make passengers jump before. Must admit it makes me jump sometimes too 😂

    • @spongebot64
      @spongebot64 Před 6 měsíci

      get the same thing on 455s on SWR - I take it's how the doors are installed/secured within Mark 3 units

  • @marcingham3770
    @marcingham3770 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Brilliant old stuff. Old southern region slam doors even better

  • @JeSuisRene
    @JeSuisRene Před 10 měsíci +5

    Weren’t the class 313s for the Northern City line the first dual voltage train?

  • @benp6997
    @benp6997 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Having a table was certainly not the usual set up on Thameslink, I went into London many times on 319s and never saw one.
    One of my memories is waiting amongst a full platform of people at the old Kings Cross station only for a 4 carriage train to turn up! Safe to say we were in there like sardines until we got to St Albans.

  • @hoonami139
    @hoonami139 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I’m on vacation (holiday)in London this week and rode a 319 earlier, an ex-Thameslink unit. I enjoyed the loud traction motors but man was it tattered looking inside

  • @shacarioking5149
    @shacarioking5149 Před 10 měsíci +2

    No hate 319's are better than any new trains both them 455's and other BREL trains I'd go on any day than the newer ones

  • @Bills200
    @Bills200 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I travelled sometimes on the 319 from my southern station a good few years ago, I love the motor sounds!! Did these use to have a dinning cart?

  • @MercenaryPen
    @MercenaryPen Před 10 měsíci +3

    pretty sure that the class 313s were the first British dual voltage EMU design, being built in the late 1970s

    • @nickcotterell1106
      @nickcotterell1106 Před 10 měsíci

      They were built for the 1970s takeover of the ex-London Underground Northern City line Moorgate to Finsbury Park and beyond, which changed from 750v DC third-rail to 25kv overhead somewhere along the route.

    • @Mgameing123
      @Mgameing123 Před 10 měsíci

      Drayton Park@@nickcotterell1106

    • @harrysmall8705
      @harrysmall8705 Před 10 měsíci

      @@nickcotterell1106at Drayton Park I think

    • @terry-wc9sw
      @terry-wc9sw Před 10 měsíci

      yes the change over voltage was operated at drayton park station @@nickcotterell1106

  • @AymanTravelTransport
    @AymanTravelTransport Před 5 měsíci

    Now, only 8 of the 319s survive up North as converted 769s doing select services through Wigan and Manchester.

  • @evolutionxbox
    @evolutionxbox Před 10 měsíci +2

    I miss these trains. The seats are so much more comfortable than what replaced them

    • @DarkLeaf
      @DarkLeaf Před 10 měsíci

      No you just can't accept change 350s are way comfier learn to accept change

    • @Trainman10715
      @Trainman10715 Před 2 měsíci

      @@DarkLeaf theyre not tho, thats the thing, the ride quality of each is about the same

  • @andrewholland1390
    @andrewholland1390 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Not sure i understand why some class 321s were replaced with 319s when they're essentially about the same age and of a largely similarly design, no?

  • @markmitdoy
    @markmitdoy Před 10 měsíci +1

    we had am10 ( 310 ) then 317 , 312 , open your eyes young kid

  • @johnthresher259
    @johnthresher259 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Nice. Reminds me of the class 315's that I used to commute on to Liverpool St. station. They replaced class 306 units and if you think that 319's were bad........the 306's were awful! The 315's from Shenfield were themselves replaced by the Elizabeth Line class 345. Yesterdays hi-tech is tomorrows scrap.

  • @andrewbeadle9168
    @andrewbeadle9168 Před 10 měsíci +2

    What are you smoking... what do you expect they are 30 years old.. as the seats are better than most.
    and the "vents" are called hopper windows.. all trains have them normally they are locked so you wouldnt know what it is

  • @user-bw6zq8gw3z
    @user-bw6zq8gw3z Před 10 měsíci +4

    Class 313 were dual voltage for the Northern City Line, they predate the 319s by a good decade.
    Along with the 350s the 319s are the only Class I know I've been on every one. Good units back in the day on the MML but the doors never liked winter or heavy rain.
    Good vid.

  • @michael_houghton
    @michael_houghton Před 10 měsíci +2

    Not good enough for people in London but apparently good enough for us second class citizens in the North.

    • @andrewholland1390
      @andrewholland1390 Před 10 měsíci

      Well they're actually not good enough for the North either, they're leaving Northern soon too! (The 769 class derived from them are staying around a bit longer though AFAIK)

    • @michael_houghton
      @michael_houghton Před 10 měsíci

      @@andrewholland1390 great, we are getting 323s that were made in the early 90’s to replace the 319s. More cast-offs.

  • @MichaelSebastianTodd
    @MichaelSebastianTodd Před 10 měsíci +1

    brilliant review of the 319s ive recently rode the Northern ones last Month & the Northern ones are quite Filthy inside but they are great trains to ride

  • @lamborghinihexagons5502
    @lamborghinihexagons5502 Před 10 měsíci +1

    313 was the first dual voltage train btw

  • @williamwildcat
    @williamwildcat Před 10 měsíci +1

    I used to ride these on tameslink I will miss the 319 and it’s 3+2 seating

  • @TheLondonTransportDroid
    @TheLondonTransportDroid Před 10 měsíci +2

    319s are proper nice old trains, noisy and bouncy is lovely 😅 not like these new trains hard seats and no character, 319 nice proper train like SWR class 455

  • @awesometrainsandbuses
    @awesometrainsandbuses Před 10 měsíci +1

    Better or worse than the 465? Or about the same?
    Me personally i think they are better than the 465s with the blue poles, but about the same as the 465/9 (Orange poles)

  • @LeeSmith-cf1vo
    @LeeSmith-cf1vo Před 10 měsíci +2

    I hadn't realised the 319s were still about. I thought after thameslink they had all been converted to other classes (or waiting conversion).
    I used to ride the regularly and my experience was always that they were slow and the seat pitch made for bad posture.
    Although I did sometimes ride in declassified 1st class. In one of the variants (which were rare to my line) the first class section was actually very nice - with far supirior seats.
    Although I later found out that on that particular journey the 1st class may not have been as declassified as I had assumed. Oops.

    • @johnwebster3224
      @johnwebster3224 Před 10 měsíci

      Plenty of 319's in the North - we always get southern leftovers!

    • @bluetics9496
      @bluetics9496 Před 10 měsíci

      @@johnwebster3224poorly maintained leftovers as well…

    • @Martindyna
      @Martindyna Před 10 měsíci

      Surprised to see you say they were slow. The drivers seemed to drive them like sports cars in my experience .... power on, power off etc. not smoothly driven,
      A litle slower on 3rd rail admittedly.

    • @LeeSmith-cf1vo
      @LeeSmith-cf1vo Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@Martindyna very slow on 3rd rail

    • @Martindyna
      @Martindyna Před 10 měsíci

      @@LeeSmith-cf1vo Apparently they can be but where the 3rd rail has been upgraded (as for the old Eurostar) I understand there's not much in it.

  • @LambenTwit
    @LambenTwit Před 10 měsíci +1

    Oh my goodness. As I’m a food snob, this guy is a train snob! 🤔

  • @AntonFanify
    @AntonFanify Před 10 měsíci

    The 730 which has the West Midland livery is only going to be a temporary measure and going from London Euston to Milton Keynes Central.

  • @Bve542
    @Bve542 Před 8 měsíci

    nice vid

  • @Transport4Alex12
    @Transport4Alex12 Před 7 měsíci

    Yes, i can agree that the c2c Class 357 seats are rather comfy!

  • @channelplays00
    @channelplays00 Před 10 měsíci

    Gunna miss the 319's for one reason only I used to take my gaming laptop & sit outside of Euston station all night playing video games then Sleep on the 319's to a random destination for lunch in a random pub I still remember getting my first telling off from the staff

  • @mcultra7
    @mcultra7 Před 7 měsíci

    What about the closure of Farringdon to Moorgate thameslink line in march 2009

  • @TheNgandrew
    @TheNgandrew Před 10 měsíci

    I used to commute on Thameslink on these in the 1990s and into the 2000s. Even then they were outdated, and were really not suited for Thameslink's boast of serving two airports (a packed commuter train, plus airport users and their luggage, and no luggage racks. Genius).
    I am sorry I ever had to use them and am pleased they are being got rid of.

  • @Welshy1717
    @Welshy1717 Před 10 měsíci

    Another great adventure 😎WOW those are some old manky trains ...... patch work seats 🤣
    East Midlands viewer here...... i rely EMR to get into London (I think its the 360 class) would like to watch your verdict on EMR)

  • @Andrewjg_89
    @Andrewjg_89 Před 10 měsíci

    Yep and soon to be replaced by the Class 730 either at the end of this year or beginning of next year and to be moved for storage. Or to be converted to Class 768 Orion logistics trains.

  • @Wolsey58
    @Wolsey58 Před 6 měsíci

    The scathing criticism (e.g. “rubbish”) of the Class 319s is excessive. Yes, they were 35 years old before their withdrawal, but back in the 1980s/1990s when I travelled on them frequently on the Thameslink or Connex’s Rugby - Gatwick routes, they were state-of-the-art. Trains are subject to speed limits, and while lines in and through London (for example) often do not allow high speeds, the 319s are permitted to run at 90mph or above elsewhere. From my travelling on sections with high line speeds, the criticism of their acceleration has no justification, and as for motor noise, why not move to a trailer car?

  • @avglondonproductions9225
    @avglondonproductions9225 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Back in Jan 2022, I actually rode on a 319 from Watford to Euston and my thoughts on it were pretty mixed. The seats seemed really low and unclean and the train overall made me think of breaking down. Thankfully they are getting replaced for good! Excellent video!!

  • @ZackMurray12
    @ZackMurray12 Před 9 měsíci

    Do the 350’s go on the Watford - St Albans shuttle because I was gonna hunt down one of these there?

    • @maimadha
      @maimadha Před 18 dny

      The 350s are used on the Watford Junction to St Albans shuttle service

  • @InverhavonRailways
    @InverhavonRailways Před 10 měsíci

    What's happening with the class 769 conversions? Used to travel on the 319s in South London, and they were run down and positively pedestrian in nature even then.

  • @melvynbuckton6881
    @melvynbuckton6881 Před 10 měsíci

    Bushey is effectively s Watford and is a very busy commuter station.

  • @EastLondonBusesAndTrains1
    @EastLondonBusesAndTrains1 Před 3 měsíci

    They should have straight up upgraded these trains instead of convert these trains into class 769s as the class 769 has acceleration slower than the pacers

  • @andrewnorth170
    @andrewnorth170 Před 10 měsíci

    Do you remember the Citymetro and cityflyer thing they had or was it citi, I'm not sure. Even at the time I didn't think much of it.

  • @mdhazeldine
    @mdhazeldine Před 10 měsíci

    I knew a bunch had been transferred to Northern (saw some in Manchester recently) but didn't realise they were still running into Euston. I might have a go on one before they disappear. They're not modern, but they make a good sound, and still could've been worse. Could've been a Pacer! haha

  • @Sim0nTrains
    @Sim0nTrains Před 10 měsíci +1

    Nice video of the Flithy Buggers. The WMR Class 730 at Camden will be temporarily replacing the Class 319

  • @ElijahsTransport
    @ElijahsTransport Před 10 měsíci

    Nice video!

  • @bus3s
    @bus3s Před 10 měsíci

    the 323s are replacing 331s, not the 319s, as the 323s will allow 331s to be transfered onto the routes 319s are currently use on

  • @DonaldTrumpIsGreat
    @DonaldTrumpIsGreat Před 6 měsíci +1

    The Class 319s Are Decent Trains People Should Not Be Allowed To Run Against Them

  • @heatheralice4704
    @heatheralice4704 Před 8 měsíci

    Skip to the riding bit 4:35

  • @alivinghuman1
    @alivinghuman1 Před 10 měsíci

    The 319s last day is apparently on monday the 23rd, but i guess well see

  • @thediamonder11
    @thediamonder11 Před 10 měsíci

    I'll try and ride some before they go.

  • @Thornaby37
    @Thornaby37 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I've given the 319s the thumbs down for the past 30 years
    Noisy, unreliable, about as much power as a lawnmower, draughty when the windows are open
    Some enthusiasts in the North West have nicknamed the 319s "filthy buggers", and I can see why

  • @ZLDSmogless
    @ZLDSmogless Před 4 měsíci

    Another 2nd gen bites the dust.

  • @glenndaniels5219
    @glenndaniels5219 Před 10 měsíci

    All the 319's were ex Thameslink

  • @DeveroonieWasTaken
    @DeveroonieWasTaken Před 10 měsíci

    You should try and ride the last one

  • @teecefamilykent
    @teecefamilykent Před 10 měsíci +1

    The acceleration of a slug.
    That's my memories of them!

  • @langtonroad2445
    @langtonroad2445 Před 10 měsíci +1

    319s are ‘80s technology in fairness, so will look a little long in the tooth now. They along with, 318s, 320s, 321 and 322 of similar design served the rail industry very well and were the last bastion of BREL engineering from York. Only one vehicle had traction motors so acceleration was never going to be on par with the more modern stock. As for saying the 350s are superior, as someone who travellers Rugby Euston 3-4 times a week, trust me they have their flaws. At 110mph the Desiro family ride really rough especially when sat at the vehicle ends over the bogies, and the 350/2 are vile, now very filthy and cramped, at least the 350/1, /3 and /4 variants have better seating in 2+2. Let’s see what the Aventras brings, yes they will have that new car smell, and look modern, make a whirring sound, have ironing board seats, but ultimately still get you from a to b.

  • @-MapEnthusiastjj4eu
    @-MapEnthusiastjj4eu Před 9 dny

    Welcome class 769

  • @SKI_2.0
    @SKI_2.0 Před 10 měsíci

    You went to Watford junction and never told me
    Good video anyways

  • @splittieful
    @splittieful Před 9 měsíci

    This was not the last day

  • @Londonproplayer2
    @Londonproplayer2 Před 10 měsíci

    Nice

  • @jameshartley223
    @jameshartley223 Před 10 měsíci

    Seat covers being different, plus they're not shoddy at all. Clearly no engineering qualifications here!

  • @foxuwu5185
    @foxuwu5185 Před 10 měsíci

    My everyday commute is on a 319 :(

  • @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire
    @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire Před 10 měsíci

    All 319s are ex-thameslink units.

  • @simonboulton4490
    @simonboulton4490 Před 10 měsíci +4

    You are a real moaner you should come north and the reason for your moans is because you have been spoilt with new rolling stock well I think this will be ending as more money is coming north to the northern power house to level up the transport up here with new rail lines, new rolling stock and electrification.

    • @jj318
      @jj318 Před 5 měsíci

      Lmao ok so you've made 3 comments on this channel and all of them are being negative to the owners of this channel. Can you come off the channel if you don’t like it? 👍🏽

  • @AlexanderBrassington
    @AlexanderBrassington Před 10 měsíci

    would be funny if the 769s outlasted the 319s considering they are arguably even worse trains

    • @bus3s
      @bus3s Před 10 měsíci

      how are they worse? theyre the same, and they are outlasting them

    • @Mgameing123
      @Mgameing123 Před 10 měsíci

      @@bus3s No! The 769s are a watered down version of the 319 with terrible acceleration in all modes and has alot of faults.

    • @AlexanderBrassington
      @AlexanderBrassington Před 10 měsíci

      @@bus3s just at the top of my head. They accelerate slower on diesel (impressive seeing as the 319 is already slow), they're louder, and they're less reliable with them often being out of service. They don't even improve anything about the 319 either. They have the same seats, ride quality, dingy lighting, 3+2 seating, etc. I suppose you could argue they're on par with the 319 but in my opinion they are worse

    • @bus3s
      @bus3s Před 10 měsíci

      @@AlexanderBrassington 769s don’t have 3+2

    • @AlexanderBrassington
      @AlexanderBrassington Před 10 měsíci

      @@bus3s oh right. Sorry I must have misremembered. Regardless I still think they are worse than the 319 based on my experience and how they have been performing

  • @johnrafferty8087
    @johnrafferty8087 Před 10 měsíci

    Great Video. The 319s are of their time. And that's a long time ago. Lack of maintenance ( same with 465s and466s)

  • @alexishamer6427
    @alexishamer6427 Před 8 měsíci

    I probably agree 👍 that class 319s must end their lease with NT - Northern and LNWR - London Northwestern Railway 🚃 because they could be tatty trains 🚆 are aging their age. Class 319s are second generation EMU - Electric ⚡️ Multiple Unit trains 🚊. Class 319 trains 🚊 are probably feeling uncomfortable 😳. No smoking 🚭 on all of these trains 🚆 because it’s prohibited 🚫 and can cause a serious 🧐 fire 🔥. Most of the other class EMU trains 🚆 are good 👍 because they are comfortable. The man 🧍‍♂️ 👨 said that class 319 trains 🚆 are rubbish and he’s not joking 🙃. Small world 🌍 to me. 👍

  • @henreereeman8529
    @henreereeman8529 Před 10 měsíci

    RIP

  • @MartinCook-kg1vn
    @MartinCook-kg1vn Před 10 měsíci

    Please take them off this line.

  • @oliverstemp9132
    @oliverstemp9132 Před 9 měsíci

    These are completely out of date

  • @millercool21
    @millercool21 Před 10 měsíci

    Don't like these trains though I like the motor sounds

  • @Battismore-Blue
    @Battismore-Blue Před 10 měsíci

    Bushy and George Michael