The Story of Ayaka's fall from Top Tier DPS in Genshin Impact
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- A short description of events that happened to Ayaka, how an S tier Character became barely playable and considered to be a B-C tier character by some.
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I believe that most important factor of Ayaka's downfall was not dendro or Fontaine. Ayaka still has her niche in freeze, and Wriothesley is pretty equal with her, he is considered stronger by some, and weaker by some. The biggest factor in Ayaka's downfall was content switching to more bulky enemies that can't be frozen. Ayaka is still definitely an S tier unit and isn't really that much worse when compared to her peers aside from Neuvillette, which is a pretty mote point since every dps is inferior to Neuvillette. She never really got worse, it's just that content isn't compatible with her anymore. All that it would really take to bring her back to relevance would be more Spiral Abyss chambers with freezable enemies. She's in a Venti situation where she is still broken, it's just that the situations in which she is broken aren't as common as they used to be.
Wrio is nowhere near equal. His freeze teams are very scuffed/better for ST. He’s better for mono or melt.
@@HyoukasouWhat I meant is that his placement in the meta is similar to Ayaka's. I didn't mean he is better in freeze teams. Actually, I personally believe that Ayaka is better because she is still able to keep up with Wrio even though content is way more favourable towards him.
Wriothesley is not equal to her. He's better.
@@D4C_267 Not really. He's a bit difficult to do freeze with because his aoe is so small. Ayaka is way better at freeze.
@@D4C_267 that’s factually incorrect. Ayaka teams average a 65k dps while Wrio’s average 55k
there's no downfall.. mihoyo just randomly changes the enemies in the abyss..
That in itself is the downfall... its similar to venti. Trash mobs just are not used in abyss anymore and we literally get double boss abyss cycles sometimes.
MHY will not release abyss without bosses anymore hence her downfall.
@@YukiZero power levels don't go down. only usage rate. navia is strong but her usage rate is down in this current abyss..
Yep that's pretty much it
I agree - she's still great when she's great, but situationally, that's not often in the Abyss. Freeze is just not in a great place right now in the Abyss compared to vape, hyper bloom, and health drain teams, heck... even plunge teams, all do more damage now.
It's like Venti - he's still busted OP when the enemies can be sucked up into his vortex, but the Abyss is more or less designed (at high floors) to be "un-Venti-able", so you can't just walk in, use his burst and laugh.
@@lordkaiser1404 i did not say power levels. its more to usability... her downfall is that she isnt that useful anymore
I still remember when Ganyu was top tier DPS
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Ok grandpa, let's get you to bed
diluc was, and now he's like borderline playable. thanks to xianyun diluc got some attention again
Ganyu have good enough numbers. Just that...charged shot bow dps..that can become ping pong without shield when the enemies are too aggressive is the reason I never use her in abyss
Basically mihoyo focused on freeze reaction more than any other cryo reactions to the point that even the cryo resonance is designed for characters that makes use of freeze only. But now that freeze falls off, an entire group of characters that benefitted from freeze are also falls off as well.
Fr, imo they should eventually change the resonance. Maybe keep the affected by Cryo/Frozen thing, but also give the Crit to attacks that trigger any Cryo related reaction. Also, I would LOVE a "Superconduct Chevreuse" or something similar - Cryo and Electro are my favorite elements and the fact that playing them together only benefits physical damage is so frustrating.
@@doug3454and the fact physical damage is dead right now ... Only EULA keeping it from leaving it's last breathe because of her thighs
@@soujiokita6062 yeah. An alternative (or even an additional) thing they could do to make physical more relevant is to introduce an off-field physical dps, so that more than 1 character can actually benefit from Superconduct... but if it's only one of the 2, I would rather have something that makes Superconduct useful to Cryo and Electro as well.
@@doug3454I feel like a ranged cryo catalyst user who makes superconduct do more damage when they're in the party(like nilou for bloom) would make a VAST difference in how meta cryo is.
@@anshbasu8160 neat idea, though it would need to be a huge buff and/or the character would probably need to give something else too.
Superconduct base dmg is pathetic.
Bloom's base dmg is already on the higher end of transformative reactions (only Hyperbloom/Burgeon are higher), but an issue of regular pure Bloom was also smaller AoE + takes either way to long or quite a lot of Dendro/Hydro application for them to start going off and Nilou fixes both of these (in addition to also buffing the dmg).
But, as someone who likes hyperinvesting into and minmaxing my favorites (as opposed to just giving someone full EM and calling it a day), I would rather have raw Cryo and Electro dmg buffed in some way when Superconduct is triggered rather than increasing the dmg of Superconduct itself, even if that wouldn't be original anymore (it would literally be Superconduct Chevreuse).
ayaka was my first 5 star so she'll have a special place in my heart no matter what!
she is still top tier when you can freeze
Melt don't forget
Bro her dps is higher in hypercarry and melt then freeze and her dps is VERY high. Remember her burst is the highest scaling burst in the game.
@@putent9623 yes her damage is higher in melt or hypercarry but when you can group up and freeze 10-20+ enemies for eternity while dealing top tier damage is something else, but since most boss can't be freeze her tier just dropped. i love when it rains and there's nothing enemies can do vs my ayaka
Which is extremely rare nowadays. Ayaka and Cryo in general has been getting shafted ever since Dendro/Sumeru released. I rarely use her in abyss ever since getting Nilou and Nahida back in 3.1 & 3.2 and they became my best AOE team.
Freeze doesnt make you do more dmg....
Its not like she been powercrept by others much. The abyss these days just doesn't fit her playstyle, and not fit for cryo too. For example, I already lost count on how many times copelia and copellius show up at the last floor or how many times the enemies are resistant to freeze comp, like inquisitor baptyst. Ayaka's not weak but she's not meta already
I have no idea why they love Coppelia/Coppelius so much; I have no issue defeating them (even with my highly invested Anemo/Cryo dmg dealers), but I'm so tired of them being in the abyss.
@@doug3454 It’s those dev shit heads trying to make people pull for Fontaine characters
Copellius isn't even that hard to beat with ayaka, just use furina to one-shot the shield and anemo res that you always have. Max two cycle with ayaka burst
A character that buffs freeze reaction will save her. She's good. it's just freeze, can't freaze bosses.
You cant buff that because freeze is aura not reaction
You can't buff the Freeze as long the enemy isn't freezable.
buffing freeze won't do anything since it doesn't amplify your damage lmao
@@iblamenomadLmAooo
Freeze is already busted
there is no need to buff it
hoyo is clearly avoiding freezable abyss just to not make the content too easy
The icewind suite single handedly slapped her out of the top of the meta
I know it's a bit unrelated, but that AI art in the intro and outro is really bugging me-
Like, Ayaka was one of the most popular characters in the game, there is so, so so much amazing fanart of her, with so much diversity.
Like, using AI is just redundant, even putting the ethicacy issues aside.
That aside, it was an informative video and I liked it quite a bit, good to see some deeper dives into the genshin meta history.
Just.. yeah, as much of a nitpick it may be, it does kinda bring it down
Furina not working well with ayaka is arguably the biggest BS I've ever heard. Furina does work with her if you don't have shenhe and run charlotte instead.
Furina works with her but if you run freeze team in an un- freezable content...then you will miss lot of burst ...cause her burst is easier for enemies to dodge then hilichurl 's rock attack
everybody gangsta till they add -70 cryo res enemies in natlan
I'm pretty certain Natlan will buff Pyro with the pyro archon being a pyro support (probably since all archons are supports), and the Pyro sovereign (most likely DPS like NV).
@@YukiZerothere are leaks that says that cryo and hydro(obv) will be in advantage in Natlan
Leaks suggest Cryo and Hydro will get a very huge buff in Natlan. Reverse melt baby!!
Well guess whos back after Natlan Release? Cryo and Hydro
Like they didnt release suanai in 4.4.....
There literally have only been two consecutive versions in which freeze truly didn’t work - 4.5 and 4.6. Everything past that was very much doable for freeze on one of the sides. And even despite all that, Ayaka premium is still one of the most used teams even in content that specifically targeted freeze. People are quick to jump to conclusions and shout all is lost.
Dw. The last region is literally land of snow. So probably all the cryo characters will get a new good support.
I’m going to be honest I forgot about Ayaka
It's not Ayaka herself, it's the enemies.
I still use her in Abyss, but what's the point of using Freeze if you can't even group the enemies? Anymore, they're making enemies too heavy.
They must go on a diet... 😂
There is hope in the next two regions which are Pyro, probably bringing some sick melt teams, and Cryo. What she really needs is a unit or mechanic that works with elemental bursts. Anything that even slightly scales bursts can bring her back into the limelight since her burst occupies the highest percentage of her damage potential of any character.
ayaka is not melt character, wriothesley will be buffed by melt but not Ayaka sadly
great video for less than 100 subs! keep up the good work and im sure you'll be at 1k in no time!
Thank you:))
the fall of freeze and groupable enemies basically cause enemies on abyss are not suitable
Great video! I’m sad ayaka has been so powercrept as I got her and shenhe right after dendro came out and I’ve slowly noticed her decline in performance in abyss. I hope freeze receives some buffs as it is such a fun reaction!
Its not powercrep its just that freeze is dog shit against bosses and she doesn't have any good teams outside of it
Pretty sure 5.0 is about to bring Freeze back to the meta
She is not power crept. It is just freeze is not working great. Power creeping means new character is more powerful than old ones with same role which is not case with Ayaka
@TechTalk0069
Well except wrio is much better than ayaka and it shows in abyss usage rate.
Theres solo c0r1 wrios every other abyss, while ayakas are struggling with full teams to stay relevant.
The problem is that inazuma killed all their characters with those ugly 80 er design dps characters, while fontaine characters deal as much damage without needing to use their burst.
@@rurou6530 C0 Wrio I think is below C0 Ayaka but he's more flexible in teams, I guess? Idk, cuz Ayaka can also be used on melt
But C1 Wrio is definitely better
this was a really good vid tho i subbed
I didn't even want her but I had nothing else to do when her forever banner happened so I pulled, got her, and ended up really liking her. She carried me through the abyss for the longest so I'm annoyed to see what they've done to her now...😔
been using her in the abyss for a year and months, her premium team still shreds enemies. except for that copellia and copellious.
I just swap out kazu kokomi to furina, jean when i want to break copelius shield.
Still don’t think Wrio is better than her, Cryo as a whole has been in a horrible spot though.
Those fucking robots they put in every abyss just makes it painful.
Wrio is more consistent and way easier to play
Wrio is in a far better spot than Ayaka even tho there arent any good supports for him besides kazuha. Remember Wrio’s more optimal teams are his melt teams. Melt is doing good compared to freeze.
@@Rawzix Even if so, it’s only in melt he would be. Freeze has been kicked to the dirt by Hoyo’s shit enemy design team.
@shironasama0445
Theres literally solo c0r1 wrios in abyss usage rates, people be coping that ayaka will return when the problem is that her damage is low, her dash is ass, she has an 80 energy burst which can miss and cant even melt, ontop of having one of the worst artifacts in the game.
Wrio on the other hand has high damage as base, has good artifacts, its a tall model, can heal himself and can be played without ever bursting, and has access to ousia to counter coppelia the one enemy who singlehandely kicked ayaka out of the abyss.
@@rurou6530 Seems like you’re the one coping. Worst artifacts? You mean the one that gives her completely free crit rate?
Not only that. Any elemental burst can miss, yet Ayaka’s burst has the highest damage scaling in the game. The dash doesn’t hinder your combat movement either. Must be a skill issue.
And wow, a boss introduced in the same version as Wrio has the mechanic specifically to make Fontaine characters better. Who would have thought?
Ayaka stomps Wrio in freeze, but Hoyo hates freeze right now. Thats why he has more usage. He’s not a better character than her, it’s the abyss catering to him.
Ayala feels so Nostalgic, I remember when I got her during the long Ayala banner. I wish bosses could have a freeze effect that could still trigger the blizzard effect.
When I first started in Genshin, I knew I wanted Ayaka. So, I got her, and then Sumeru came out a few patches after that, which was my first time reaching floor 11-3 to 12-1. I tried hard to make her work. I mean, afterall, everyone's veteran advice for newer players was, and still is, focus on your first two teams. However, one of my teams wasn't in the condition it needed to be, and the Sumeru abyss did not like Ayaka at all unless she was in optimal condition. Eventually I would get Alhaitham, and the rest would be history as I finally could 36* the abyss, but not with my first ever limited 5*.
All of that said, downgrading her into a driver role is where I felt some peace with her and could 36* the abyss with her. I know people say hyperbloom can work without a dedicated DPS or even a 4th member, but I haven't been able to produce that myself. I put her in a hyperbloom+freeze team since the funny "fridge" mechanic still works, even on bosses, and adding a character like Furina over Xingqiu also lets you buff Ayaka's damage too. This is unironically my favorite way to play her in the abyss. It's rather stress-free. There's also a hypercarry version I like to toy around with, but Coppelia/Coppelius makes that difficult to get a clear run. Basically replacing the hydro for Bennett, cryo-infuse Kazuha's burst, Layla for protection and tenacity, and unga bunga.
Ayaka might have a place in Imaginarium Theator though. I also have a feeling Natlan won't present an Ayaka buff, but Snezhnaya might. I mean, it's the land of cryo.
I remember pulling her she was so strong but now i just use her as a sub dps for hu tao
I mean ,true i may not use freeze ayaka much, but her melt comp still shreds tanky bosses as long as they don't require specific element or dive underground and fly.
I'm an Ayaka fan but I've been benching her for a bit, I don't even know if I want to pull for Shenhe anymore. She's the last piece I'm missing for Ayaka's premium team, but I fear I won't even be able to use it in the next abysses :(
Freeze got power crept, just like venti ultimate. Tbh rendering the enemies into immobile damage absorbing sponges was never a good game design, Freeze should have been for a second or 2, not like in genshin anyway, game is not balanced and sloppy
Cant freeze bosses.
Most enemies are quite mobile.
Not good at multiple waves since she’s very burst reliant unless you have high er + battery.
So in short she is garbage 💀
here's to hoping that, with the release of snezhnaya, freeze teams make a comeback. it's my favorite reaction, and cryo is my favorite element, but abyss has a habit of checking all my best characters and go-to teams so I don't get to bring them to the end game like I always dreamed of :( if they do make a comeback then I think all the ayaka fans will be very happy lol
(Kaeya was my first main, followed soon after by Wrio, my first ever 5*. I genuinely like Qiqi, Chongyun is one of my go-to characters especially w/ Kaeya, and Layla is my go-to shielder (sorry Thoma). I seriously cannot overstate how much I love cryo and how much of a complete pain in the neck enemies with cryo shields are for me to get over LMAO)
I started playing genshin around 3.X versions and got Ayaka and Mika in my first 10 pulls in the game. Since she was an Inazuman character, her ascension items were region locked. Ironically Mika brought more value to my account for being a healer and his exploration passive since all my characters were from mondstadt.
I agree with the analysis generally. Ayaka is still great when she's great (when enemies can be frozen), but situationally, that's not often in the Abyss. Freeze is just not in a great place right now in the Abyss compared to vape, hyper bloom, and health drain teams, heck... even plunge teams, all do more damage now with high Abyss floors. We have way more ways to do damage these days in Genshin and Ayaka freeze just isn't the most damage-dealing team, especially at lower investment. Ayaka really needs teammates like Kazuha, Mona, Kokomi, Roasari, Shenhe, etc. to really shine.
She is like Venti - he's still busted OP when the enemies can be sucked up into his vortex - try him in the overworld and you realize he's the game's easy mode. But the Abyss is more or less designed (at high floors) to be "un-Venti-able", so you can't just walk in, use his burst and laugh.
Hoyo wants you to pull for new characters, so they shift the META around newer characters, and Ayaka has been in the game since day 1 (although not playable until 1.6) and was designed for year 1 and year 2 content IMO. But Year 3 and 4 content IMO is just not meant to be done with Ayaka. The prevalence of element checks - lots of cryo shields now - in the Abyss are sort of the end of Ayaka's prevalence because she has no answer for them... maybe in Natlan she'll be good again.
Mihoyo didnt nerf ayaka but nerf freeze.
it's the abyss, just that. There is no downfall, just HOY pushing dendro, hydro and not-freezable mobs. Please.
man i havent used her since 8-9 months or more i forgot she is in my acc...SHE HELPED ME ALOT BACK THEN BUT NOW META HAS CHANGED AND CRYO IS BARELY GOOD NOW!
Furina is still great with ayaka. And sure it is harder to clear abyss with ayaka especially now since both sides include a cryo shield. But its still possible to beat coppelius if you use furina with ayaka. Thanks to that i was able to clear the top side of abyss with an ayaya team
They did her dirty
Nah. They fed her pretty well. Look at the cryo resonance. It is completely designed around her. Ganyu can make use of it but Melt Wriothesley cant make use of it at all.
@@StillQiqiless cryo resonance is one of the reasons why cryo is bad....
@@ziebus904 Cryo resonance is fine wdym, it works well with mono cryo, freeze, and bloom teams well. that crit rate isnt anything to scoff at, all cryo elemental dps have 0 crit issues and all hit hard.
Ayaka "isnt as good" due to some current enemies not having a vulnerability phase and just being more squishy to compensate. Ayaka is amazing vs bulky bosses or freezable enemies and thats fine, she's great but lacks flexibility in her dps distribution making her amazing for some content and "meh" for others.
Cryo resonance only sucks for phys dps and melt comps.
@@Fuphu ok what gives you resonance....crit. ok what if you habe enough...or you run marechose....then its useless....not to mention it locks you in using this dogshit blizzard and doesnt work half the time....compare that to hydro dendro pyro electro or geo they all give you better stuff
@@ziebus904 Cryo gives crit rate, the most important stat in terms of high end damage dealing.
You only need to have an enemy with cryo applied on them but having them frozen also works.
If you have marechausse then thats a free 56% crit rate including base 5% crit rate and 0 crit rate in artifacts, having blizzard strayer makes that from 56% to 60% and gives cryo damage.
Cryo resonance is amazing to abuse in the right teams but might still get a buff in the future due to it having 0 lingering duration.
Crit rate pretty much boosts most damage including some reactions by proxy of crits affecting some elemental reactions.
Also you can use it on physical characters to build a ton of damage on them as long as you dont have a constant electro application.
IMO the worst elemental resonance has to be between dendro and hydro, dendro gives 100 EM but there's very few instances of having more than one dendro character on a team, and hydro is good but is only really useful for a few hp scaling DPS. Cryo follows immidiately after those two simply due to no lingering effect.
TLDR for the last paragraph: When cryo resonance works it works well, when dendro and hydro resonance works then its good but not as impactful and is limited in team comps and how often you'll use them outside of specific units. (cryo suffers similarly but not to the same extent)
Ayaka is still really strong in the right content. She suffers from the Venti problem. Both sides of the current abyss have heavily cryo resistant enemies. Thats including the Fatui operatives. Once the operatives and the Cappelia/Coppellous rotate out of the abyss she'll be good again.
how are you not at 100 subs yet 😭
It’s been long time since I used her in the abbys
Meanwhile
People are soloing the abyss with single character teams
Games most difficult content: 12
Characters strength: 200
As someone who did like or want ayaka I'm glad things are playing out the way they did i would have been forced to play like everyone else which sucks the joy out of the end game and would force us into a backwards mindset of (is it good for ayaka team or skip) that would leave much of the other characters being unused i believe the game is in a much healthier state that what it was in 2.0 and she deserves a buff that puts her up to standers with current dps
the real problem with Ayaka is the amount of investment she needs to take off the ground at all. Without mistsplitter, Kazuha, Kokomi/Furina and Shenhe she is just underwhelming.
No without all that she's an "okay" DPS. better than some but not the best choice. The real REAL problem is, not only that better DPSes came out that are a lot easier to use, but also because most enemies are now immune to freeze. And Ayaka whose burst(have the highest scaling in her kit) moves around uncontrollably means that she will lose a TON of DPS without freeze reaction
This is just not true. I played Ayaka team with Mona and Diona pretty much up until Fontaine. Kazuha is prob the only one she really needs. She was plenty powerful upon release and only got overshadowed by newer playstyles/reactions because Freeze got overshadowed in general
@@actually_curious4773 true. It's only the playstyle because even new characters like Furina, and upcoming Sigewinne, Layla and a lot of new characters works well with Ayaka. It's just freeze is being patched by Hoyo with unfreezable enemies and new teams are better
ayaka is balanced around freeze so when freeze gets fucked she gets fucked and this has been happening since 2.4 which is when ganyu fell off ayaka could hold on abit longer through sheer numbers and being less venti reliant but we haven't really had a good abyss for freeze since nilou's release abyss nilou teams imo completely took over the freeze niche nilou shines in the same situations as freeze but with more damage lower investment needs higher floors(lower ceilings)and also works in more situations since there are fewer dendro immune/resistant enemies ,she doesn't need enemies to be freezable she can actually handle boss content (without 5* weapons or cons all you need is c2 collie+clam on your healer since she help you frontload a ton of blooms) and mobile enemies don't hinder her
rn hoyo seems to like the abyss setup of 2bosses+one AoE or 2AoE+1boss and since they also love the dancing robots and their 70%cryo res all AoE teams are forced to have some kind of ST coverage and vice versa while ayaka can cover both so that's not the problem the issue is hoyo's holy trinity of enemies coppelius+coppelia/baptist/time wasters (wenut/robot wenut) that they bring out every abyss and ayaka cant counter them bc massive cryo resist/cant break the cryo shield/she burst animation is as long as their dpsable window and since you don't know where they're gonna pop up precasting isn't an option
ayaka dosent work bc hoyo dosent want her to work she is still strong we just need an abyss without a million cryo resists and shell be great (for that abyss)
but thats also the issue with her its too easy to make her not work
people like to talk about how nilou is niche since she can only use hydro and dendro but she can perform well in almost any scenario while someone like venti can be slotted almost anywhere but is situation niche that you have to wait for hoyo to stop shitting on him from him to work
and ayake gets to be situation and team niche so thats fun for her
Me who is using ayaka as a burst subdps in my fast nuke teams as a melt enabler for xiangling against bosses.
C6 Sucrose in B tier....
I knew internet tier lists were a joke but this one isn't even funny.
I changed her artifacts to emblem today and since I have her C4 (she's C6 tho) she's a great sub dps and support for arlecchino
people always saying Dendro has nerfed Cryo. Ganyu burnmelt enjoyer wouldn't say the same bruh
She is one of the biggest losers of Dendros introduction. Cryo wasn't great when she was introduced, but Dendro and its Reactions being so much better made her just so much more inedaquate in comparison. Why use a Cryo character, when you can just use a Dendro-team that is so much more effective for less investment?
It depends ......
She dominated an entire patch cycle , similar to ganyu / hu tao in the 1.0 patches..not to forget venti.
Thats still amazing value. This game just doesnt have variety in its endgame. If there was a rogue like mode or some other modes which buffed certain reactions its a different story.
Ayaka was always and still is my favourite unit, i have her built wirh huge time investment, giving her just a little under 300% CDMG and (with the freeze set bonus) 100% Crit rate. Triple crowned, signature weapon (R1, C0). With all that being said, Ayaka performs way worse than for example Alhaitham because of 1) Reactions and 2) that enemies in the abyss. For example the current one features those 2 unbelievably tanky, freeze resistant and mobile fencer women released with fortaine. As long as these enemies reign the abyss, there's no place for ayaka. Give us say pyro cubes, hydro enemies and a bit less mobile enemies that can be frozen again and she'll rise to the top again
Just wait 1 year and 4 months.... the cryo buff will come together with Bronya.
Wriothesley owns this fraud. Doesn't need a sig or niche 5 star support to do well.
Even Aether leave Ayaka for Yoimiya...😢
She is still good but spiral abyss enemies become harder to freeze, like some enemies they will be unfreeazble and freeze become useless option here. Dendro and electro is best reaction to have for now. If mihoyo return freeze action to all enemies she will be the top character for sure.
She could literally heal the enmies and I wouldn't care tbh thats how much I love her and never will stop using her
That's not the point of this topic but anyways, ofc yes she's great btw, in my personal top dpses she comes in top 6 after the big 3,she's definitely in elite 3 alongside Tao,Navia.
She's insane at her playground that is Freeze,will remain forever as that.
All that aside ,am not an Ayaka main or even part of my favs but will say that she's cute
I’ve double-crowned her, but since Sumeru, she just got benched.
meanwhile Hu Tao still remains relevant to this day despite being older than Ayaka
They probably just waiting for schzenaya cyro archon
Imma be real when it comes to melt for cryo there's literally no options
Nahida applies pyro yippee but kazuha us better as he applies and buffs
For ganyu her best melt team is STILL Kazuha,bennet,xiangling
These are literally 1.0-1.5 characters
We have no new pyro applier except xiangling
Look at pyro
Furina,yelan
Yelan is a copy paste xinqui
So why can't we have another copy past xiangling?
Same thing for bennet
We haven't had a CC unit in ages if we get a pyro cc unit
Cryo might actually come back
im dying at 1:31 anyon putting itto at ss is delusional also ayaka isnt bad, its simoply that, the content is so anti cyro its crazy look at all the bosses u cant freeze or w cryo resistance
She still is.
Its not ayaka, its cryo reaction freez. Its either way to overturned or bad if you can't freeze. And you cant melt with her
And also because her burst is doo doo and never hits
let's wait until we got to ice region... Shenhe ice buffs also going top tier
Hmm Don't Get this video wrong Ayaka is still a great Character What matters is the type of enemies ur fighting against if u can freeze Them Then it's good But if u can't its just pain and Most importantly Expand Ur Horizons to more strategies and Ideas Not only focusing on one Type of dmg But all types of dmg.
Freeze should be buffed to frostbite... frostbite will freeze enemies and those that cannot be frozen will be slowed and receive increased cryo damage.
THIS. THIS. THIS.
Furina works great with ayaka
Especially if u dont have shenhe
You should try ayaka kazu furina and charlotte... My ayaka never did as much dmg before in any other team as she can do in this team
Other than that pretty good video 👍
Maybe the land of cryo will buff elemet
Tsaritsa is gonna buff her,I swear
dang peaople are speedrunning genshin? i imagine thats expensive.
Ayaka will be strong when mihoyo decide to give us a option to lock her stupid dodge mechanic and better target lock for burst
You have to use Ayaka a bit differently than other DPS units. Her existing dodge mechanic can allow you to quickly reposition out of the enemies' range and give you time to use her burst in the most effective way. To use an air combat metaphor, think of Ayaka as a boom and zoom rather than a turn fighter. Her burst is so front-loaded that you can afford to take those few extra seconds to make sure it hits. Using her as a turn fighter will just cause her to hop around a lot and not deal much damage.
Wrio definitely didn’t overthrow ayaka. He averages 10k less dps than ayaka. He’s just more flexible but his rev melt and freeze teams are honestly scuffed. Also wrio is pretty locked into ST.
Cope more. Wirothelsey is better than her even without character that synergize with his melt teams well. Hes gonna put ayaka in the dirt in natlan.
@@D4C_267 wrio is an ST locked character with a mediocre dps.
@@Hyoukasou Maybe you built him wrong?
@@persephonehades7547 what I said is factual. Not just from personal testing from sims as well
My Mistsplitter is now for Xingqiu lmao
Eh, I think Sacrificial Sword is still his best weapon. You never want to be without your rainswords, and being able to burst every rotation is essential for team DPS.
no disrespect but this video is wrong the reason ayaka isn't used entirely because freeze has been good in past 4 cycle of abyss
in abyss where u can freeze ayaka is good her dmg definitely hasn't fallen off and essentially in the spot that nilou is in where she great when aybss allows her to be
also theory crafting was around during 2.0 and she wasn't considered mediocre on release
as of 4.0 wrio isn't even that good either mostly due to the icewind suite being in every aybss since the start of 4.0 a boss with 70% cyro res
We just need Pyro Xingqiu and she'll become relevent again. Cryo is just in a bad spot atm
ayaka with her most premium team gets pretty good clear times on the abyss, and even when she was at the top of the meta she was never able to freeze bosses so idk why this makes her a c tier now .. honestly its just that after neuvillete was released people have been making it seem like every other dps character is obsolete which is really annoying and not true, the meta is so dum.b literally any 5 star dps character can 36 star the abyss, why be so sweaty and want faster clear times when hoyo doesn't give any rewards after 36 stars...
The tier list shown, IMO, is biased against Cryo. Shenhe is the only cryo unit in A tier or higher, when she's basically just a cryo support. Basically the only thing she can do outside of cryo-focused teams is be a NO holder and have minor off field cryo application with her burst. She shouldn't be higher tier then the DPS units in her element. I agree with most of the comments saying she's good against freezeable enemies, but by no means does that mean she's bad on freeze resistant or immune enemies.
Dps Shenhe while not her best role was still silly strong due to how her E interacted with bennett, the damage was insane
Ok why kazuha better than scara if he just buffs and does no dmg why is furina higher than neuvile why is zhongli higher than navia nahida than alhaitham
Kazuha has common use on teams for his grouping and swirl where he is the only Anemo unit and is not or anywhere near being a “Support to Anemo DPS”, Zhongli has common use for his shielding on teams where he is the only Geo unit and is not or anywhere near being a “Support to Geo DPS”. Nahida has uses on teams where she is the only Dendro unit due to her own consistent Dendro application and support buffs, and is not strictly a “Support to Dendro DPS”. Shenhe, on the other hand, has no supportive capabilities for characters that don’t deal Cryo or Physical damage, where the only usable Physical Damage unit is also Cryo. Kazuha, Zhongli and Nahida are ranked higher than or equally to some of their element’s DPS’s because they aren’t restricted to those teams to provide a majority of their support
Im sad about Ayaka, I didnt get her losing two 50/50 to Mon and and finally got her on her last rerun, I had her weapon long before I had her. I really do not like her playstyle. I think Shenhe will have more staying power than Ayaka. Freeze is not that good.
You had me until you started doomposting about powercreep. Ayaka is still top-tier in her niche, that being when enemies are freezable. We just haven't had any abysses tailored to her niche in a while. The same argument could be applied to Nilou bloom teams but I don't see people bashing Nilou for 'falling off'. The moment an abyss favourable for Ayaka comes around she will shoot right back up to the top. The Wrio comparison is disingenuous because they are inherently suited to different cryo comps, Wrio more towards melt and Ayaka towards freeze (granted, Wrio is more flexible in that he can be played in freeze as well, but Ayaka's damage is higher to make up for that lack in flexibility). This could've been a really great video with solid points but for me you fumbled it towards the end.
I don't really agree with your conclusion. The only real problem with ayaka is that they keep putting together floor 12s where freeze is not the optimal choice. Her damage is fine if freeze works. And you cant really blame it on relying too much on freeze either because a lot of characters heavily rely on the reaction their kits are made for and would be terrible if that reaction just didnt work.
All ayaka needs is for hoyo to decide its time for change of pace and makes floor 12 where freeze is the best option and ayaka will be great. Maybe they make a suppot that enables freeze somehow. Maybe they make enemies that are super mobile or somehing so the only way to reliably do damage to them is to freeze them. They clearly want all reactions to have a place as we clearly see from the characters that have been coming out like chevruse for overload, theres even a burning set now so i guess thats coming..? So i wouldn't write off ayaka as a powercrept nostalgia character.
0:10 Well in 5.0 they will buff Hydro & Cryo So maybe.
They will either make "coolingoff" mechanic or make enemies that are like suanai
6:40 I think this is over the top, if we're talking speedruns w constellations? yeah lyney is the best but at c0? childe and hutao speedruns are faster, oh yeah arlecchino ones too
Cryo is the new Geo only because Hoyo has no idea how to balance Freeze. Allow it to freeze every enemy and it becomes the most OP element, put limits on it like what they did and the element fall apart, and since Ayaka is the defacto freeze character.......
One solution they could try is to make unfreezable enemies debuffed in some other way, like a slowdown in both movement speed and attack rate. That single change would make cryo more relevant even in the current meta.
A great solution would also be to add a multiplier to the reaction.
Vaporization damage caused by both elements applied on top of each other (Hydro 2.0× Pyro 1.5×)
Melt (Pyro 2.0× Cryo 1.5×)
Cryo doesn't have a 100% focused reaction, which in my opinion would be Freeze, but freezing is an aura, a state of freezing and not a reaction in itself.
(Cryo and hydro) do not have a multiplier over each other.
could be (cryo 2.0× hydro 1.5×)
@@Lennis01exactly..they do make sure we players lose all our stamina from cryo attack but enemies don't
5.0 artifacts will buff cryo pyro and hydro
How many buffs does hydro need lol
@@abhiss6705i was wondering
Wriothesley and Ganyu would more likely be buffed than Ayaka, her melt team while not completely useless is far more clunky than the other two.
Problem I have with Ayaka is that shes very clunky to play. The ult can miss where you want it to go and you miss out on all the dps
"no buffs on the horizon" someone tell bro about the natlan leaks
Cryo and Hydro will rise in 5.0 Maybe Ayaka will rise in Meta.
The reason why Ayaka Drop in Meta because the enemy isn't freezable, dendro is more effective in abyss and all her team compost of 5 star character.
They need to give the freeze reaction another debuff to make it worth using against unfreezable enemies. That seems like the best solution.
Now I know why fate is preventing me to get Ayaka. After all this time. It is telling me that I will get something much better than her.
No offense to the Ayaka fans and mains out there.
Its not her downfall… it’s cryo downfall🤡🤡 what else it reaction only good for? w/ freeze / melt. And freeze only for small/medium mob… dendro outshine soo much… yeah c2r1 and benched
There still hope on pyro region for cyro melt teams, if we get better off field pyro because let be honest XL aka panda 🐼 girl and thoma suck azz for off fielding pyro; plus no 5* pyro off fielder unless You consider deyha good enough for you.
Too much pyro 5☆ dps not gonna lie most of them all in vape teams
What HYV did with Ayaka is not ok, here is why. The real, baseline, good Ayaka team is C0Ayaka/C0Kazuha/C0Kokomi/C1Shenhe/R1Mistsplitter, that is 800 wishes (1600$) on everage. Since Ayaka was only good from 2.0 till 3.0, these 800 wishes had expiration date of one year and at the same time 800 wishes was about as much as f2p could get, on maximum, in that year. The thing is that Ayaka was not the only charqacter released in Iazuma, so many people did spend that 1600$ on Ayaka. I know it's a gacha, but 1600$ thrown into trash, after one year, in a video game, feels scummy. It was a full year long scam.
Make money official solutions simply ditch favorable character like Yoimiya much appearance low damage ceiling supposedly pyro Ganyu variant flex instead bow Hutao
ayaka furina kazuha charlotte :- am I joke to you?
That sounds like a dangerous team, but i wonder if it generates enough hydro application.
@@Lennis01 you should be worried about cryo application and cryo swirl. Furina applies way more hydro than people think.
@@BiswanathBag-ut8pm Xingqiu has spoiled me. I've never tried using Furina as a solo hydro. I know freeze isn't in the meta, but freezing the enemies gives Charlotte the cover she needs to use her hold skill, which is essential to keeping her energy up and being able to heal every rotation.
@@Lennis01 yeah she just needs enough energy recharge
Ayaka disrespect, how do you expect to gain followers 😂
As an Ayaka main, I sense a skill issue here. To be honest, most genshin players are not very skilled and rely heavily on huge buffs or a something similiar to one shot content. In the beginning, when freeze reactions were actually a thing, many people considered Ayaka the strongest dps because they could just freeze enemies, switch characters to buff, and then spam everything with Ayaka without getting hit. This of course deals a lot of damage with minimal effort, which is appealing to many players. However, in later patches, freeze and freeze teams became less effective since some enemies can no longer be frozen now. So, players need to be more skilled to effectively use Ayaka instead of just relying on buffs and freeze. And given that most players arent very skilled, they cant deal as much damage with Ayaka now and complain about her performance. Ayaka did not get worse, nor did the cyro element. Rather, most Ayaka players were always lacking in skill, and are now starting to realize this. Plus, freeze comps are not the only way to play Ayaka. In fact, many melt teams still deal a lot of damage, more than freeze Ayaka. Its just a bunch of losers saying Ayaka got worse because they cant do shit without freeze.
No amount of "skill" can compensate for her crappy damage when artifact luck is bad and when no signature weapon or no 5star crit stat stick is on account.
She is the only 5star character I regret pulling, even more than Ganyu.
She is completely f2p-unfriendly, and with introduction of hyperbloom and 5stars, who shred everything with a 3star weapon, she becomes less worth to invest resin into.
That's the reason why Ayaka fell off in popularity in usage. Besides some have personal attachments with the character / wanted to challenge themselves. There isn't much reason people would prefer to play her which requires more skills with more caveat, when other braindead teams can get the job done much easier.
@@RiceJackalope While its true that other team comps with popular characters like Arlecchino and Hu Tao can deal significantly more damage, and Ayaka's popularity has decreased in general, this doesnt necessarily make Ayaka worse than what she was before. She still has the same damage output as before. Even without freeze, she can still deal substantial damage if you know how to use her effectively. With all the tricks and experience, if you're a good player and know how to dodge well, you will deal at least S tier damage without freeze. (I consider Arle and Hu Tao etc to be SS if played perfectly.) If you're not a good player, the damage you deal might drop to A or lower. (And i call this a skill issue because shes potantially S.) But that doesnt change the fact that shes at least S in good hands without freeze. With her flexible dashes, one can even play her at an SS level. You might argue that any character can be played at an SS level with perfect play in this sense, but thats not true since not every character has the potential to reach SS in both damage and dodge capacities. High damage, easy cryo application with just dashes, flexible playstyle, and even without freeze +20 free crit rate with blizzard strayer arti set on enemies affected by cryo (+35 with cryo resonance, and this bonus is mostly permanent as you can consistently apply cryo to enemies by dashing) etc are enough to put Ayaka in at least S. I see a lot of people saying its hard to use her ulti damage completely without freeze but you can use it completely if you time it well. For example, most enemies have a short interval after a chain or combo attack, during which they pause before preparing their next attack pattern. This interval is the perfect opportunity to use Ayaka's ulti as you can deal its complete damage to the enemy. You'll also have time to use normal attacks without worrying about dodging during this period. Combining the full ulti damage with charged attacks will get you massive overall damage. While consistently attacking and dealing high damage, add in a few mentions of dodging skills in between if needed and you'll be literally unstoppable with Ayaka. I agree some braindead teams can deal much more damage without absolutely doing anything. But that still doesnt change the fact that Ayaka is still one of the top damage dealers in "good hands". In my opinion we shouldnt include some crybaby and bad Ayaka players when ranking the character because i dont think this is how ranking system actually works.
@@r.d.6290 If youre going for the blizzard strayer set, its relatively easier to build since you dont need crit rate much. The set gives you free crit rates in battle. Also theres a f2p 4 star weapon option for Ayaka that works quite well with her. The weapon is called something like anemuchi kageuchi if im remembering correctly. And you can get it for free through a quest.
You're not entirely wrong about the skill issue. I only just got Ayaka on her most recent banner, and she has to be used with more deliberation than many of the more recent 5-stars. But people also have a point about the general fall-off of the cryo element due to abyss lineups. Freeze combined with enhanced crit values was what made the element so dangerous, now it is just an inferior damaging element. The loss of freeze as a practical option is also hobbling the potential of physical, which is tied to cryo at the hip.
no dps has actually fallen from grace. their clear time or dmg in any current spiral abyss doesn't change their overall powerlevels. eg yoimiya, Navia, hu tao, ayaka etc