Fox Float X or Float X2 on the Ibis Ripmo?
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Im loving your recent content comparing different parts! The air vs coil fork video was fantastic and this one was as well! Please keep doing them!
Thanks Spencer, it's a lot of fun trying different stuff. I was tempted to make a live, on-trail comparison for the Float X and X2, but they just didn't quite seem different enough to validate that.
MOAR 60fps content, it's butter! Thanks for the vid!
LOL that was fully an accident! We film a lot in 4k 60 fps, but usually edit in a 24 fps timeline, then just match source for the export. There are a dozen or so 4k 60 vids up on my channel tho. I kind of prefer the 24 fps look, but both are neat in different ways!
Right on, I wouldn't complain if you skipped that step in transcoding, but you do you and we'll keep on enjoying your content.
Thanks man!
Great video and timing for me. I just got the Rocky Mountain Instinct and was looking at the Marzocchi bomber and or the Fox float X. This vid helped a lot thx.
man i love to watch this rabbit like riding style a lot! jumping left to right all the time so effortless!
love the recent videos !
Great content and info as usual. 🤘🤘
Thanks for the comparison. It really brought to light who these different design of shocks are for. I recently picked up a Marin Riftzone XR 29 size large. It comes setup with a float X one the back and a Marzocchi Z1 up front. It’s my first full sus and the new possibilities on this thing… whew! I truly find inspiration watching your creativity and artistry on a bike. Thanks
My V1 Ripmo came with a Factory 36 up front and a DPX2 in the rear. Been ripping that since I got it and after years and a few rebuilds they are both going strong.
I have a V1 Ripmo. I bought it with the DPX2 after briefly having a Pivot Mach 5.5 with an X2 and not liking that shock. Just too much to dial and it always felt like a race shock that wanted to keep you glued to the ground instead of letting you have fun. After a few years with the DPX2, I was getting frustrated with feeling like I had to either bottom out all the time or have a brick in the back. No nice middle ground. Not having adjustable compression apart from the 3-way didn't help. When the newer Float X came out, it looked like the perfect option. I bought it, and LOVE IT. It has been exactly what I needed. I can set it and just ride, no complaints.
Running my Ripmo v2 with a Cane Creek DB Kitsuma with their progressive coil and I’ve been loving it. Feel like it’s poppy and playful, but stays planted when riding fast.
Pops and wheelies for sure! Your style of riding is such a joy to watch.
Thanks Rek!!! Have a great weekend!
Running a Cane Creek Kitsuma coil (coming from DVO Topaz air shock) and overall I’ve been really happy - super stable in steeps and planted. Still able to pop it in trail flow but it does come with a weight penalty that does make it feel a little sluggish in the climbs
love this type of content jeff 👋
I really like the high refresh rate footage
Cane creek db inline coil!! loving it!
really appreciate to compare it against previous gen dpx2!
Not sure what is more impressive, the riding or the insight on the shocks. Great stuff. I would love to see a comparison to RockShox Super Dulexe.
This is helpful. I destroyed the dvo on my AF. This gives me an idea of what to replace it with.
After 3 years and 1500 miles on my Ripmo V2 the DPX2 finally gave up the ghost. Oil is getting into the air chamber and instead of doing a complete rebuild I purchased a new Factory Float X. Thanks for the info Jeff! I'll be sure to purchase a volume reducer kit at 220lbs the extra progression is welcome!
I have been running a coil and it's grown on me big time
My V2 had a Push 11-6 with a Fox 36 grip2. It is great on steep technical trails but sluggish and really stuck to the ground on 90% of the trails in my area (no pop whatsoever). Was given a DVO Topaz T3 (new take off) and it is much more lively on everyday trails.
Awesome beautiful bike and video trail
I run my ripmo with a 36 at 170 and DVO topaz. The front is light and smashes through everything and the DVO is easily the most poppy and playful shock i’ve ever rode. It’s so easy to open up and clean/refresh or add a band to the positive or negative airspring while still on the bike in less than a minute. Lastly you can adjust the diaphragm pressure for more power off the top of the stroke which translates timo more pedal power to the rear wheel.
I’m 200lbs and run 3 bands in the positive airspring and it launches off even the smallest side features with ease. They made a great product. Love the ripmo
cant believe im this early! great video as usual! i also loved the float x on my last bike
Thank you! Yeah the Float X is solid. Crazy that such a simple mono tube design can work so well!
"Peace and wheelies" the untouchable sign off
Float x performance elite. I really appreciate the compression adjuster that is included. I also think it feels safer than a dpx2 in the steeps.
All I can say is that an EXT Storia on a Ripmo V2 is fantastic. But yes you need not too much damping on low speed compression and rebound to get some pop. But it’s amazing
I have a Jade X with a 550-610 Sprindex on my Ripmo AFand it feels awesome with the Z1 Coil fork up front.
I’m currently running 2022/23 X2 shock, but more and more I’m leaning toward the Float X.
v1 Ripmo with the Float X2 that came with it. I'm pretty happy with it. I'm an older dude and don't pop much. I much prefer to keep it on the ground, rubber side down.
video quality is nuts!
Thanks gerrit!
Had a DPX2 on my HD4, bought a new X2. Hated the lack of mid-stroke support and tendency to suck air into the damper. Had my DPX2 revalved for my weight. So much better…
I have a DVO topaz on my knolly endorphin and I love it. Easy volume spacer adjustement and tunability with the main use of air pressures (bladder and air chambers). The rest is set and forget.
The Topaz is a little more meh on the Ripmo. Easy to adjust, hard to keep from bottoming out even with a ton of spacers and a cascade link. The Topaz is a shock that really favors a more relaxed leverage ratio.
that is more fault on the suspension design of the ripmo. Not only the topaz but any shock with a bigger air volume seems to be an issue on ripmos.@@mrvwbug4423
Got fox Dpx-2 and float X. Both solid shocks. Unpopular opinion, I think I like the Dpx-2 better. Cause the medium setting was just perfect for me.
Float X and Cascades link on my Ripmo AF. Feels great!
I upgraded from my DPX2 to a Float X. I added a 3D printed LSC knob off ebay for more adjustability. DPX2 is still a great shock, but I like the Float X because it's more snappier.
Looks like those knobs don't come with the springs and ball bearings... Does the knob/cap stay on without them?
I have the dpx2 on my Carbon ripmo and agree with your assessment. It is not playful and difficult to get into the air. I will try your recommendation of the float x. Thanks. I trust your reviews and opinions.
don't expect much improvement, the Ripmo is a hard bike to get into the air period, remember Jeff can jib and jump any bike like nothing because of his skill level, us mere mortals not so much. The Ripmo is trying to be an enduro bike running on trail bike kinematics, real enduro bikes are WAY more progressive and generally easier to get into the air. If you want a mid-travel bike to pop off every root and rock get a Hightower.
My dpx2 works fantastic
DVO setup on my previous gen AF but thinking of changing because there is no support in Argentina… Thanks Jeff, always awesome content
Thanks for the note Martin! Yeah in any country it makes sense to use what has good support. DVO stuff is great tho!
Hi Jeff !!
I've gotta touch base with you one of these daze ... from AK ;)
Edited for : Oh, and I run the Manitou Mara Pro with the recently installed small air can on my V2 and really like it. I never did have the X2 because when Ibis sent me my frame I think they accidentally sent me one of your frames, hence the plastic strut in place of the shock.
I got a kick out of calling Kate thanking her for sending my frame without a shock because Ibis won't typically do that. :)
I have an x2 on my bike and I can testify that that thing doesn't like jumping, I'm on an old Canyon strive and since putting a Fox 36 and the float x2 that thing it's planted to the ground even with 27.5 and 26 wheels. I mitigated it by putting volume spacers and a bit more rebound and it's still controllable but it jumps way easier
Your recent content is so good! Would be really keen to see you try out a bike like the deviate claymore and to hear your thoughts.
I have a 2022 Ripmo AF with the gen 3 DVO topaz (I'm about 215lbs all kitted up for the park and have 210ish psi at 28% sag with 1 token, ~6 clicks out on rebound, wide open compression, and 190psi in the bladder) and it's exactly squarely in the middle of okay, fine, and good enough. it has just barely enough of that playful active fun responsive springyness, but any more psi and it's demeanor changes to harsh and rattly (even with lowering bladder pressure), and no matter what I can't help but feel like it's a compromise in every way. My cousin has a Canyon torque with whatever the cheapest specced rockshox shock is, and when I ride that bike setup for me, it's AMAZING and feels like a living breathing animal that just wants to have fun. and I'm so jealous hahaha so I might have to give the Bomber CR a try next season and see how it compares
Ibis should have the option to get the bike with Fox Float X and Fox 36 from the factory. MTB yum yum was running his new Ripmo with the same setup. I was taking to Evan G, who was officially sponsored by Ibis a couple years ago, about rear Ripmo shocks. When he was racing enduro with the V1, he preferred the DPX2 over the X2. The DPX2 was a better pedaling platform and more progressive for big hits. He is currently racing his V2S with a Topaz and not the Jade X, he likes the air better on the Ripmo than the coil. Great content!
Yeah I'd prefer the smaller, lighter, cheaper suspenders personally. But there are many moving pieces as to what get specced!
Another (similar) option for the Ripmo; the Manitou Mara Pro. This shock comes with the "King Can" which is the higher volume option. You can then purchase the standard sized air can for $100 which lowers the air volume and increases progressiveness. The two air cans are really easy to swap, so it's like having two shocks for almost the price of one. Swap the cans depending on which terrain you're riding the most. This setup has worked great for me, as most of the time I can run the standard air can, but it then go on a trip where I'll be running mostly downhill type terrain I can throw on the King air can.
Great feedback, thanks Mark. I haven't ridden Manitou in ages!
The other one I've heard, and I know is Pedal Pushers main "you want to ditch the X2 or Topaz on your Ripmo but don't want a coil" option is the RS Super Deluxe.
Would love to see you try out Manitou Mezzer Pro and Mara Pro combo. They are both so easily adjustable.
Really interesting - I recently went from a V2 w/ a Topaz to a V2S w/ an X2, and have struggled so hard to get the back end to feel anything but harsh, *bouncy* and unstuck and wallowy... the biggest difference was maxing out spacers, but it still didn't feel as good to me as the Topaz, with the exception of riding it at Trestle Bike Park, where it felt pretty good... but that's just a very small amount of the riding I do on this bike. It all really jives with what you say here. I did a bunch of work w/ a Shockwiz this week, and got it feeling better, but not really good.
You convinced me... Float X ordered. Fingers crossed.
The 38 fork on the V2S probably feels a TON better than the Onyx fork on the V2 if you had a DVO build on it too. I rode a Ripmo AF for 3 seasons on the Topaz/Onyx combo and in hindsight it was very meh and it was a harsh riding bike, especially on Trestle's braking bumps. It was also a hard bike to get in the air due to the floppy back end. My new bike is actually poppier and more playful with an X2 out back, merely because its kinematics heavily favor a linear shock (RM Altitude). The RAF never felt settled on tech, example at Trestle on the rooty sections of Field Trip, I could always feel the back end of my Ripmo dancing around where my Altitude blasts straight through with a LOT more speed.
@@mrvwbug4423 No, I built the bike up from the frame with just the stock Topaz. Originally had a 36 on it, then went to 38. It is a nice fork, for sure!
Float X should be here tomorrow...
Great follow-up to the Air vs Coil video! Always enjoy your work! Running the stock Onyx/Jade X coil that came with my Ripmo AF. Built my son's RAF with a Z1 air and Topaz. I have both bikes are 170mm up front. The Jade X coil really keeps the rear planted. Have you ever run a coil fork & shock together?
I would honestly ditch the Topaz for the new Marzocci air shock, the Topaz tries to split the difference between a high volume and low volume shock and does poorly at both. You'd probably also really like a Lyrik or Zeb up front on your bike vs the stiff riding Onyx. IMHO lighter damping on the RS forks fits with the Ripmo's personality better, especially with a low volume shock like a Float X or Marzocci out back.
I'm a heavier rider and ran the DVO Topaz/Onyx SC on my Ripmo AF with a cascade link. In hindsight the DVO suspension isn't great and I see why Ibis ended their OEM relationship with DVO. The Onyx fork had issues with sticktion to the point where I got pitched OTB a couple times when the fork wouldn't fork, the bushings eventually wore though the stanchion coating. The Topaz shock had all the bottom out resistance of a wet noodle and wasn't poppy at all, the RAF on DVO is a hard bike to get in the air, the cascade link just made the bottom outs less jarring. I recently picked up a RM Altitude and am loving it, it manages to pedal as well as my RAF did, while actually being poppier and more playful despite its bruiser 38 fork and X2 shock combo, but it is an insanely progressive back end too and big hits are like butter on it where on the RAF it was "brace for impact" off drops.
just upragraded from a RS monarc plus to a fox float x2 on my specialized enduro and i like it more (need to ad a spacer for the next ride ) but all ower its great. i feel i can jump better with the float x2 and omg how it handles the rough stuff and the corners. Noticebly faster on the downhill. Can't wait to put my new fox 36 factory in the front and see how that rides.
My Stumpy EVO has a Fox Float X and I don't even notice that it is there. I think that is good thing. The rear suspension just sucks up the rough stuff and nothing weird happens. No bottoming out and no getting bucked off.
Yeah, same here and I’m really impressed with it. The only thing I’ll say is it’s quite sensitive to initial set-up and I had to get a digital shock pump.
Previously I was running an inline coil on my Jeffsy 29, and even riding them back to back on the same trails I struggle to notice a difference between the two shock set ups.
I have an HD3 and I just dumped my X2 which I'm tired of not lasting even a season between rebuilds with very light riding. Picked up an old DPX2 leftover. Hope it lasts longer.
Love this vid, any thoughts on how the float x or bomber air would go on your SC Bronson??
Hey, JKW. I've been riding a V1 Ripmo with a DPX2 for almost 5 years. Love it, but also always wanted more pop/energy return. I recently rode a Norco Optic, and it was everything the Ripmo ain't in terms of being ridiculously poppy/pumpy. Is there anything you'd recommend to to do the V1 to get it a little more lively for pumping and jumping? (already running a couple spacers and rebound as max speed).
My neighbor just cracked his second Ripmo V2 frame right on bracket for the X2 on the down tube. 😬
Couldn’t have timed this better, i run a Ohlins TTX2.1 coil which is oddly waaaayyyy more playful than my X2, but would like something a little less for the local stuff with some pop
Hey Jeff, great video as always. I have a question maybe you can help me with. I own a Orbea Rise 2022 m10 that comes with an X2 shock, also a Revel Rascal 130/140 bike that I love. I also really like my rise however I do feel more planted than what I like on the rise, I tried playing with air and volume spacers but still don’t get that feeling I like on my rascal. I know a lot to do with weight at 42 lbs vs 30 but now I’m wondering the shock may also have to do with this feeling. Just curious what your input is on this?
As a heavier(260lbs)/aggressive rider, I’ve come to the conclusion that custom tuning is the best way to get the most from my suspension, no matter the brand. Push and EXT work great, but suspension tuners like Fluid Focus can custom tune Fox, Olihns, and other brands as well.
As someone who is 250lbs and rode a Ripmo AF for 3 seasons, the Ripmo isn't a great bike for heavy riders. I recently got a RM Altitude and it's the first bike I've owned that isn't "brace for impact" off drops, it is smooth and controlled on big hits and rides MUCH plusher than the Ripmo while also being poppier and more playful to boot. It's not even significantly larger than the Ripmo, 10mm more travel at the front and 13mm more out back and the wheelbase is only 18mm longer in size L (1249mm vs 1231mm) in the short setting on the dropout. Reach is identical to the Ripmo, STA is identical in the neutral position, HTA is half a degree slacker in slack mode and .1 degree steeper in neutral mode.
I can totally back up mrvwbug’s claims.
I still own my Ripmo V2 and built up a Rocky Mtn Altitude this year. I will be selling the V2 as soon as the market perks up a bit. The Altitude is the most balanced beast I’ve ridden yet. What you lose from Ripmo and dw link, you gain 10 fold in confidence and ability. Only really lose maybe 5-7% climbing. Who cares. Downhill and Jumping are where Rocky KILLS it!!!
On my ripmo af I'm running the stock topaz t3 air with 2 positive reducers, no negative and the cascade link. The bike is such over kill for my local trails and I find myself riding in the medium compression setting more and more to help out with pedalling the weight of the thing around on xc trails... but my God is it way more poppy and playful with that link when i get it into terrain its better suited to. I wouldn't say I hated the original link but the bottom of that T3 stroke was super harsh. Even with tons of volume reducers and higher pressures, it wasn't until the cascade link got involved that I stopped regularly exploding my ankles. I'm 190lbs fully kitted though.
I rode a Ripmo AF for 3 seasons and have demoed a bunch of other bikes. The Ripmo tries to be an enduro bike more than a trail bike, it is hard to get off the ground no matter how you set it up. When compared to a SC Hightower the Ripmo actually rides more plush, but the Hightower is WAY more playful, it's a bike that wants to pop off every root and rock. And compared to the RM Altitude I recently purchased the Altitude rides WAY more plush than the Ripmo AND manages to be more playful to boot and is surprisingly easy to get into the air for a 160/170 bike it pedals about the same as the Ripmo, but is 4lbs lighter than my RAF was. The super progressive nature of real enduro bikes makes them surprisingly easy bikes to jump, though they may not want to jib off every little root and rock.
Hey Jeff, when you are swapping between shocks do you ever get them tuned for the bike or do you just run a Medium C - Medium R tune for the most part? Curious if you’ve tried a custom shim stack on the Float X for this bike?
Curious what you think of the new Vivid - I believe it’s not a twin tube design and has a decent bottom out control. Thinking it might work well on my Rail.
wow the video quality !!!!!
Thanks Tery, I left it at a higher frame rate than usual.
I ride a hardtail. My rear shock is Reynolds 853 steel
With the HD6 in the mix now, Wouldn't speccing a Fox 36 fork add to that lighter feeling longish travel trail bike feel?
Yo, could you do a video on frame sizes and what you prefer? Or do you have a video like that already?
Another great video Jeff! I love these more in-depth tech comparison and description videos! I'm not on a Ripmo, have a '21 Rocky Mountain Instinct A50. 6'2" 210lbs on xl frame, came with a 210x52.5 DPX2 (140mm rear travel). have it maxed out with volume spacers as I found it bottom it out too easily. Rocky states you can fit a 210x55mm shock in there for an extra minimal 6mm travel in the rear. Guys who have done this state even though its only 6mm, feels much better, have always wanted to upgrade to the longer option, your description of the Float X makes me wonder if I shouldn't try one out. Realize its not a ripmo and its a different riding bike, but what is your thoughts here on going from the dpx2 to the X on the Instinct? Looks like I'd loose my mid position switch, i occasionally use it, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker.
2 years ago upgraded the damper in the fox36 to a grip2, and what a game changer!
Thanks for any insights. Cheers.
Your 210x52.5 shock should have a travel spacer to convert to 55mm stroke without a new shock. Also put your Ride 9 into a more progressive setting. I ride its big brother the Altitude, which uses the same frame, just different shock (230x60) and front shock mount, and it is a difficult bike to bottom out with the Ride 9 in the progressive setting. Rocky also recommends more air pressure than its leverage ratio would suggest when run in the progressive setting
@mrvwbug4423 I always run my ride9 in the progressive settings, whether it's slack or neutral. Wasn't aware you could convert the shock length, though. Will look into it. Thanks.
@mrvwbug4423 just found info and a vid on how to remove that spacer. Thanks man! Going to do that this weekend
I want to know what trails are these? Is this Wa or Canada, looks amazing.
Currently running a jade x coil because my float x2 blew up!
I'll be honest, I just came here for the big air hucks on the gnar
I'm debating this exact issue at the moment. Picked up a V2s and the bike is a beast. I'm running a Fox36 Grip2 up front and the frame came with the Float X2. The X2 feels incredible when I'm hitting drops or smashing my way down a chunky hillside covered in Rocks or roots. My issue is most of my riding is on way smoother XC style Flow trails. The rear end feels dead on those trails. I've adjusted settings to the best of my ability, decreased sag, added volume spacers, sped up rebound, and firmed up compression. No matter what this bike just continues to feel glued to the ground. I have a hard time tossing an x2 that retails for $699 and then dropping $599 on a Float X. Even going the Marzocchi route, still looking at $450 on that shock. I wish i had a way to throw a Float X on the bike to see if it's worth the $600 dollar investment!!! Great video Jeff, always doing a stellar job!
Thanks for the nice and well thought out note! Try looking for a used, OEM takeoff Float X. 210x55mm is an extremely common shock size. $200 for a used shock to experiment with may just answer your question!
@@JeffKendallWeed Appreciate the response! Good Advice, i could stomach $200. Worse case scenario i would at least have a spare shock for my daily!!
Yeah every shock does need an annual rebuild, so having a spare on hand for that and for road trips isn't a bad idea. I will say that it was common to explode shocks a while back, but in the last 4 years, they've all gotten a bit better.
Float X Elite on my Ripmo AF!
I also prefer the Float X over the X2. It feels better for trail riding.
How is the new Rockshox super deluxe ultimate RCT2 compare to the fox float X ?
I’ve got a float X on my Stumpjumper Evo (similar travel/use case to the Ripmo) and think it’s a great shock too.
I’d be interested to see your thoughts on a coil shock +/- progressive springs and hydraulic bottom out on this sort of trail plus/mini-enduro bike segment too?
So what I've seen from the guys that run coils on Ripmos, generally you run a progressive rate spring without a cascade link and run a linear rate spring with a cascade link. Which follows basic suspension logic, more linear linkage works better with a more progressive shock (low volume air shock or prorate coil) a more progressive linkage works better with a more linear spring (X2/Vivid or linear coil) provided you're not overtaxing the leverage ratio which is easy to do on the Ripmo.
How about the Fox 36 on the V2 vs the 38 on the V2S?
I'm also very interested in the latest lyrik.
With the HD6 out I really think the standard fork for the Ripmo should be the 36! 36 / Float X just makes so much more sense for this bike unless you live in really steep regions IMO. If you need a bike to be a park bike too i think you’d rather have 160+ rear and 64 degree HTA or slacker
I agree that a 38 fork (as they are currently selling the Ripmo) is overkill and 36 is a better fit. The Ripmo smashes but it's still a "trail" bike, not meant to be an enduro/park slayer.
I don't think the difference between the two forks is huge, the 38 is going to track straighter through tech and be a little more controlled on big hits, though I honestly think the RS Lyrik or Zeb would be a better fit with their lighter damping. Grip 2 36s and 38s are finicky about their rebound settings, and too little HSR makes them bouncy as the rely on damping more than the RS forks do.
@@mrvwbug4423i feel like we have all come to know Ibis bikes on Fox suspension. I feel like the Zeb is overkill, but it depends where you ride I guess. I have a bike with a 170 Zeb and another with a 120 Pike and have ridden Ripmos with both 36 and 38. Im about 185 lbs i can see why someone over 200 would ride a 38mm fork. Lyrik on a ripmo would be nice IMO I’d actually consider owning a build like that and a superdeluxe
What length cranks do you run on your ripmo? I'm 5'9"and question what to get, both the size of the bike and the length of the crank.
I have a DPx2 on my xl V1 RipMo and have 2k miles on it. I’m getting 2024 x2 to try.
What tune are you running on the float x Jeff
Riding still a V1 with 36 Grip2 and DPX2, but a factory model from a SB130, with IBIS tuning and volume spacers applied.
I am often biking in the alps, on rather steep, long and/or technical descents, also climbing a lot. Sometimes my bike climbs on me, not I on my bike.
Honestly I never felt that I need a more capable bike or a more capable suspension on my bike. The Ibis feels nimble, but if my ability lacks in relation to the terrain, it is also able to monster truck me safely through most danger zones. It is a very forgiving bike.
The V2/V2S with 38/X2 always looked a little bit like a ballerina in army boots to me, but I never had one, and I guess, I would also "downgrade" a V2/V2S to 36/DPX2 or X.
@Jeff: Do you have a tuning applied on the X? Officially Ibis has not given any suggestions, I believe...
I saw Evil recently opted for the X2 as the Fox upgrade option on the Offering, which a year ago was promoted with a DPX2 upgrade. Not sure if this has to do with availability, a change in what customers request or Evil’s ideology for the bike. 🤷🏼♂
Delta link is pretty progressive, which suits a more linear shock. It's why Evils play very nice with coils.
Do you prefer the X2 on the Spire or HD6?
Would the float X be the same/similar to a DVO Topaz?
My Float X2 is in for warranty at Fox right now. It came stock on my Ripmo V2 ( only had for a year) . Do you think they would be willing to swap it for the Float X?
I was just thinking about switching from a Float X to the X2 on my 2022 Stumpjumper EVO. I’m 145 lbs and my riding style is a lot like yours. I regularly am riding jump trails and sometimes wonder if I should be on a bike with more than 150mm of travel 😂.
However, I also don’t think I want a big, cumbersome enduro bike for trail riding. Maybe I’m just not good at dialing in my suspension, but I do sometimes wish the rear end was a bit more plush on rough descents and for bike park riding.
Having ridden the same bike before do you have any advice on whether this is a worthwhile upgrade? I don’t want to spend $700 and just end up switching back.
Thanks!
I have exactly the same question.
I feel that the X2 works well on a lot of bikes, but seems to work a bit better on more progressive suspensions as it feels more linear than lower volume air shocks like the Float X. The Ripmo is not that progressive, at 19% so it makes sense that the Float X with it's more poppy and more progressive nature feels better to some people on a suspension that is somewhat linear. I have heard that the updated 2024 model of the X2 has more pop, but not sure how much that really translates in this use case.
I prefer the X2 on the HD6 than on the Ripmo, but its still fine on the Ripmo as well. Just the Float X and DPX2 are even better for my needs!
Hey Jeff, I'm fairly new to the full squish world. I'm 54 years old and have been riding a HT until a couple of months ago. I'm riding a specialized stumpjumper evo alloy and have a DVO topaz 150mm rear shock and DVO onyx 160mm fork. The rear feels good to me, but like I mentioned, the fs is new to me. What are your thoughts on DVO suspension? My HT was Yeti ARC with 140mm fox factory fit 4 fork. I really enjoyed that bike
dvo suspension is great! i would love to try it at some point.
DVO stuff is great. I had the Topaz that came on my first gen Ripmo AF, and an aftermarket one on the Ripley AF, and enjoyed them both. They are harder to stuff full of volume reducers and get that progressive feel, but they do have some cool adjustments like negative air chamber volume, as well as the bladder pressure, that allow for a firmer initial feel. On the Stumpjumper, I could see having a little smaller/firmer negative air chamber being beneficial, as the stumpy doesn't pedal quite as efficiently as a DW bike.
Thanks for the reply. I don't think I need to make any adjustments as of now. Maybe when I get more familiar with a rear shock. But my local BS seemed to set it up pretty well for me. I bought the bike used and DVO is what the previous owner built the bike with. I got a killer deal on it. especially with all the other components the bike came with. I just couldn't pass up the deal
Yeah the X2 is what the DH world uses for an air shock, like the Vivid. Not the best solution for trail riding IMO. Just put a 11.6 on one of my bikes (which instantly feels spot on direct from Push), and considering doing the same to another that currently has an X2 on it that just never feels right no matter how I set it up.
Yeah, X2s are happiest on big travel bikes with a lot of progression.
At 6:45 Jeff mentions that he's using the Cascade link. Cascade says that it doesn't fit on the V2S, the bike in the video. @JeffKendallWeed can you confirm if you're using the Cascade on the V2S or were you referring to its use on the V2? Anyone else on the Cascade/V2S? Thanks!
I have the cascade link on the V2 S and it creates a slight contact at top out. I wouldn’t recommend it for someone who is concerned about that. When I ride things get pretty hectic so I don’t really notice it a ton.
Thank you@@JeffKendallWeed! Are you on a medium or large? I'm on a large, wonder it that even makes a difference in the probability of contact at top out.
@jeffkendallweed, I see you’re back on a 36 on Ripmo… what’s your take on a 36 vs 38 even at same 160mm?
Andrew- the 38 had a little better small bump compliance. And overal stiffness. The 36 feels a little lighter and lively. Both are great. Nearly interchangeable.
Anyone have feedback how this climbs without locking it?
OR dvo? front and real. seems like the take the front dvo off used bikes im lookin at. your opinion. jeff.
The elephant in the room is supply chain availability. Have started seeing the Float X2 come stock on a couple bikes out there, where it probably shouldn't. Stumpy EVO, and Ibis Rimpo are probably the two biggest examples. Specialized told riders for years a Float X2 would break their bike... now the '24 STEVO's come with it exclusively. Begs the question... why?
Right??? Yeah I have some other hunches about why they chose X2, but it's more professional if I don't "guess" the reasons in such a public place. But at the end of the day, PLENTY of folks will prefer the X2 over the more aggressive options, so that's fine!
Stock Fox tune for the Float X or Ibis Traction tune?
Stock tune, I bought it aftermarket. I like slightly more high speed damping than the ibis tune.
What if your a heavier rider like 220. Is the x2 better for larger riders?
You'll be near the maximum air pressure in the X2 at 220 lbs. the damping will feel more appropriate. But at the end of the day, I think it's riding style that will dictate what will feel best!
Jeff,
Are you suggesting that the stock setup will not be good for guys 200 lbs or heavier? Even with volume spacers?
I found on ibis website a pdf suggested shock setup, with recommendations of 2 volume spacers and 167psi for 200 -210 lbs rider.
How does a person 190 to 200 lbs get this bike to soak hits and still feel playful?
Monday's actually October 2 😂
The X2 is at home on bikes like the Altitude, on shorter travel bikes it makes no sense.
But....I just wanted to ride my bike. Now my head hurts.
I’ve got the Float X on my Ripmo V1 it came from an X2. I love that the bike rides higher in its travel, is more poppy & has more support.
I agree that the Ripmo seems to do better with the lower volume shocks. I’ve also noticed on standing climbing efforts there’s way better support from the bike.
I’m no way near your level Jeff but I agree with your assessment. Honestly I think the Ripmo is best with a 36 and a smaller volume shock. It’s a trail bike and the weight savings from the lighter suspension make it feel way more lively.
X2 is always the wrong choice!