Recovering the Big Ass Boat On A Trailer - 300 Sundancer Sea Ray - Loading
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This is a four lane ramp and if you look carefully as I back in, the other three are empty.
I chose a nice quiet day to do the filming.
This was the first weekend use of the year so a little out of practice.
The truck is only 2WD thus the reason for the 12,000 lb winch in the front.
I am quite surprised at how many think you need to be in and out of a ramp in two minutes or less regardless of the boat size. Yet there are a hell of a lot of video on youtube with a car or truck being dragged out of the water. People dragging there skegs on the ramp. Slipping and falling. Smoking the tires trying to get out.
The boat truck and trailer are 21,500 lbs trying to drag you down the ramp... - Jak na to + styl
Boy, he's really savoring the moment...
Do that during the holidays. Definitely a riot at the ramp.
I hope i never have wait to load my boat behind this guy! SSSSLLLLOOOOWWWW!
I regularly watch people take 15 minutes to launch a pontoon boat around here.
Is your boat and trailer 15,500 lbs?
I have a 50 foot scarab wellcraft and a three axel trailer never has taken this much time my truck 97 c3500 4x2 with the 6.5 Detroit wow too much of nothing done on dock held the line up thx.
Thx.
Tony
I commend you on retrieving your boat. Those winches save your butt! Because I have a 27ft rinker. And I use to have a roller trailer, so I know the issues with them on large boats. Fighting to load it straight, having to remove the anchor, stern eye always loosing up from the weight of pulling up to the trailer, and holding up the docks from other boaters..A brand new bunk trailer fitted to my boat was the best remedy for me. But if this works for you! That's awesome!
I have the same boat 1997 Sundancer 300 with twin V-drives. Also a 2000 Dodge Ram 2500 diesel. With 3:73 gears. Not 4x4. Takes about less then 5 minutes to load the boat with a hand crank winch on the trailer and pull it out in drive with no winch on the truck, in a much steeper ramp with no issues. Get some all terrain tires. Like 265 or 275x75x16 back in the trailer more in the water to just so the water almost touches the back tires. And you can drive the boat on to the trailer. Much easier and way less work. Good luck!
Thanks for watching and commenting, but no.
I suspect that you have a bunk trailer, as there are very few big roller trailers around.
The steeper the ramp the more difficult it is to keep the stern centered as you pull out, since the stern is still floating.
The advantage of a roller trailer is you do not float on, you only need to back in far enough to wet the rear rollers. They will tilt and guide the bow up and onto the trailer. In many cases you dont even need to submerge the axle hubs only the tire to the rims.
It's a highway truck not putting noisy knobby all terrains on it. I don't want to get the truck tires near the water, its always wet and slick down there. This is another advantage of a roller trailer. And regardless of how many times you have been successful it only takes one wet slick ramp with boats our size to be that guy on youtube getting the truck towed out of the water. It happens often with a lot smaller boats.
Yes, I should have gone with the 6,000 pound winch rather than the 4,000; and will likely upgrade that. The real problem is it stalls and cuts out near the end. For now I pull til the winch gets to the hook and then as a switch directly to the bow eye I use a snatch block to get the power needed to finish the pull.
@@BigAssBoatOnATrailer you just have too much stuff going on that is just drama. B.F. Goodrich makes an all terrain tire which is also LT rated that works very will at the ramp and on the highway. Your truck makes more noise then the tires ever will. These boats aren't that big, I'm in Florida these are a dime a dozen down here, and on trailers.
@@rjlc6130 I agree with you, I towed with a 2WD for 12 years before buying my current truck, which I have yet to put in 4WD at the ramp. The most I have ever cranked the boat up is about 7 feet, and that was only because the tide was low and the ramp ended too soon due to the low water. Leave the forward 3 rollers out of the water and get the rest wet. winch from there, save your back, save your equipment, and save time. Winching the enter 30 feet is nonsense.
i have owned several big boats and never have i seen anyone make such a project out of launchingand retreving a boat if he knew what he was doing this is a few minute process that doesn't require several winches
Try to read previous replies, there are only a few....
All the comments fall into two groups, those that "get it" and those that "don' get it"
And the "don't get it" group always has to make their point by being insulting about it right?
"if he knew what he was doing" Yep a "look at me" comment to the public; not a question or suggestion like "Why do you do x? You could do y." You obviously don't "get it".
You very likely have used bunk trailers, because 90% of trailers sold are, they are cheaper and dealers push them, they have a better profit margin. Rollers often cost 50 to 100% more than a bunk trailer does. Rollers are very different, not just in construction but in how they are meant to operate. You do not float on/off a roller trailer. You never need guide poles, never have to back vehicle into the water because the ramp is shallow or the water is low. You never have to re-launch because the boat didn't stay centered on the bunks. Yes rollers have to be winched, and a bigger boat hand winching is tough.
This is not a launch it in the spring and put it on the trailer in the fall. We trailer every time we go out. And we don't always stay local we travel with it. This is not the typical weekend trailer-ed boat. It's 10'6" beam, 33' overall, 11,500 lbs boat, 3,500 lbs trailer, 8,000 lbs of truck. And the truck is a RWD highway truck, not some jacked up 4x4 dually.
Yes, I'm sure you're in that 90% group that has trailer-ed and never had a problem. Good for you, was it planning or just luck? And then there is the other 10% that forget the drain plug, are balanced on the trailer pushing the boat off, backing in three times trying to center the boat, running over the guide poles, smoking the tires with three guys jumping on the bumper, or getting towed out by a wrecker. No videos on CZcams like that...
@@BigAssBoatOnATrailer I really enjoyed your launch and recovery. I learned a lot that I will use when I get my boat. Don't worry about the know-it-all jerks. You got a great system. It works for you. Stick with it and thank you for posting.
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Smart man good job perfect
Thanks,
To many commenters get hung up on the "time" which most is in the prep lane not in the ramp.
And when not videoing it takes even less time of course.
About to release an updated version with some hardware improvements, bigger winch and better setup.
BA boats are a PITA to load mainly due to their length. The trailer is at the angle of the ramp, the boat is at the angle of the water dropping the nose of the boat down considerably putting the bow pulpit and anchor close to the winch post. When you pull out of the water, the back of the boat drops down which raises the bow and increases the distance between the bow and the winch post. I just have a old fashioned manual winch on mine and as I'm cranking it up, I get to the point where the crank starts hitting the bow pulpit so I can't crank it 360°. I have to disengage the handle, move it back the opposite way, re-engage it, crank, rinse/repeat it sucks. I get it winched on as tight as I can get it against the bow stops, but when I pull out I have a 3-4" gap between the bow and the stops as the back of the boat settles on the bunks. This gentleman has a roller bunk trailer so he can leave the trailer much further out of the water which helps reduce the angle between the 2 which helps. Having an electric winch eliminates the issues with the crank hitting stuff. I always remove my anchor before trailering the boat to keep it out of the way, it would have made his job a bit easier too.
Having a winch on the front of the truck is great insurance if you get stuck and can't get enough traction to pull out. Using it as an anchor for the truck is a bit over the top and unnecessary. I'm on a much steeper ramp with a 30' boat and I've never gotten stuck or drug into the lake. It takes too much time to set up and take down for no actual gain, meanwhile other folks are stuck waiting that much longer. It's also a huge trip hazard because the author didn't take the time to place several bright ribbons down its length to help make it visible to folks walking around who wouldn't be expecting somebody to have a cable strung shin high across the ramp.
Another BA Boat issue most don't consider is the width of the boat. I have to get a wide load permit every year because it's over 8'6", put flags on the widest part, put OVERSIZE LOAD banners on the front and rear, and I can't tow it a few days before until a few days after a holiday.
Thank you for detailed and thoughtful comments. Most viewers have no experience with truly large boats on trailers. In fact the video was made solely for a small group of us on ClubSeaRay.com that tow oversized boats.
I never imagined it would get the views it has.
I also require an oversize permit at 10' 6" beam. My combined gross towing weight is 21,500 pounds. Twin v8's, 200 gallons of fuel, 35 gallons water plus gear the boat alone is 12,500 lbs. This is no pontoon boat.
This was videoed at only the third time I launched/recovered with this setup.
I should do update as I upgraded the trailer winch and made other adjustments.
I rarely use the truck winch now unless very steep or very slick. The front wheel chocks have worked very well.
With a roller trailer there is an issue that led me to adding the front winch. When the boat is just out of the water, or barely in, the weight is behind the axles and trying to LIFT the back of the truck (negative tongue weight). With the parking brakes only on the rear axle this can lose grip on the ramp. The truck's diesel keeps a good weight on the front axle and with the chocks have proved to be sufficient in most cases.
Excent Idea, I thought I needed to upgrade my F150 2wd for a bigger boat than I own now. Congrat.
Two wheel drive 3/4 ton limited slip dif
Plus even 4x4 can get dragged down a slick ramp
Nice work - both launching and recovering. - very meticulous and orderly fashion...
Very long process though, fine when you're alone on the ramps. Wander what happens when people begin lining up and things get heated up.....
Here in South Carolina we operate on what we call "Southern Time" things get done when they get done. Most people are pretty calm and relaxed. We usually very launch early and stay late. If I were to launch during a busy period (I never launch on a Saturday) I wouldn't waste time filming or talking, it only took 9 minutes in the ramp. The rest is just in the preparation lane where others are free to go around.
Southern Time as you define is great - Lucky for you! Nevertheless - VERY impressive and professional arrangement, really liked your One Person launching/recovery setup.
On the same line of operations - can you show us how your boat is arranged? Must be some practical ideas there as well...
I am amazed that no one has said anything about how much messing around he took to pic up his bout , glad i wasnt waiting for him
This is a four lane ramp and if you look carefully as I back in, the other three are empty. I chose a nice quiet day to do the filming. This was the first weekend use of the year so a little out of practice.
I am quite surprised at how many think you need to be in and out of a ramp in two minutes or less regardless of the boat size. Yet there are a hell of a lot of video on youtube with a car or truck being dragged out of the water. People dragging there skegs on the ramp. Slipping and falling. Smoking the tires trying to get out.
@@BigAssBoatOnATrailer ok
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Smart move using the winch as a backup holding the truck & trailer securely while loading such a heavy boat.
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He's a real expert LMFAO
And you probably own a bass boat…
I do not believe all boat ramps have a place where you can use a Wench. So then What!?! Anyhow look quickly done to me. Nice Job!
I selected my home ramp based on the fact it does. It's really a safety factor I rarely (never at this ramp) need it. At other ramps I'll scope it out first before launching with an eye to any recovery issues. If no option I use the wheel chocks as I do in the launch. It may not always be a straight line pull but I have always found something I could anchor to that would get me up 10 or 20 feet, which would usually be enough to get out of the slimy zone.
Wow, lots of mucking around, could use a bigger winch by the looks of it.
Sure are taking a lot of time tieing up the boat ramp for over 20 minutes. Can't do this when it is busy. Need to make some adjustments on time.
I want to know more about your winch cable/quick release setup. I thought i had it straight when I watched the launch video, but after watching what you did with recovering I am not sure
On launching the quick release is in the bow eye
During recovery there is a six foot panter or lead that is permanent it stores on the forward cleat. That is used for towing in the water or loading without the need to balance on the trailer or hang over the bow
Better safe than sorry ,hes working smarter not harder .
How? Anyone else would be home and unhitched before he leaves the parking lot. If you're afraid of sliding down the ramp, use wheel chocks and get appropriate tires for what you're doing, not come up with a sketchy workaround of winches that closes the ramp for 30 mins
Foooooooooorrrrreeeevvvvvvvveeeeeerrrrrr
I was filming this purposely single handed as my kids are not normally with us. The winch is undersized (4000) should have gone with a 6,000 lb, may have to upgrade it. All "boat winches" are rated by boat size not line pull so this is larger than a 4,000 lb "boat winch". And it is not a dead pull, but a rolling load, however the boat is 11,500 loaded sooo. I have since removed all the excess winch line to keep the wraps lower and I use a snatch block at the tail end now for the final pull.
1 re adjust your bow bumper lower you won’t have to fight it, lower it some, 2 we’re is your safety line if your winch line breaks. Boat rolls off the trailer.
The winch is a little to small and struggled I have made a few changes to bow and the process. There is a safety chain with hook built into the bow post. Its more obvious on the launching video.
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Where did you buy the ladder? and what was the cost. Thank you
Its US made by CPI Designs of NC, unfortunately they seem to have suffered the recent economics there web sites is gone. It is referred to as a "Dock ladder" or "Pontoon Boat ladder". It has worked out very well both on land and in the water. It does not drag at all when on plane. That's one thing to be sure the hinge is above the hull bottom by an inch or so.
Isn’t that Dodge a 4x4 ? 4 low should pull that out no problem
RWD only highway gears
This will not work in Ga. At allatoona lake they would have shot him by now thx.
Thx.
Tony
Back up closer to the water would help
Thats the difference with s roller vs bunks you dont need to back the truck in the water. The winch is a little undersized I have added a snatch block during recovery
i could have loaded my boat 5 times + in the time it took him to do all that stuff. Glad the ramp wasn't busy, he would have upset a lot of people.!!!!!! Note to self, don't ever follow that guy, use a different ramp!
Exaggerating just a bit? The entire video start to end is 28 minutes. Half that is showing the prep lane setup. Less than 15 minutes in the ramp, including some time for explaining. Is your boat 15,500 pounds of boat and trailer? Or a bass boat? Get real...
And if you look there were three other empty lanes while we filmed.
Also taking both lanes with a winch stretched across the parking lot 😂
That poor little UTV winch!
Yes, I was trying to keep it small, I have noted before should have gone with a 6,000 lb, may have to upgrade it. All "boat winches" are rated by boat size not line pull so this is larger than a 4,000 lb "boat winch". And it is not a dead pull, but a rolling load, however the boat is 11,500 loaded sooo. I have removed all the excess winch line to keep the wraps lower and I use a snatch block at the tail end now for the final pull.
@@BigAssBoatOnATrailer You could always use a pulley with the line connected back to the trailer. It'd half its load and speed, but will do the trick without worrying about burning the little thing out.
could this boat have been recovered using a ford f-150 or is that not enough truck to call a boat that size ???
Doubt it could but if it did it could not tow it legally
It comes down to the tow ratings of the truck. I have a 30 foot Doral, very similar to this boat, mine weighing in about 13,000# fully loaded w/trailer. My nephew's 2018 F150 w/ 6 cyl EcoBoost & tow package is rated for 13,000 & change. I towed it a few times with his truck and although it was rated for it, the truck is just too light for that much weight in my opinion. It pulled it great, I was really surprised at how well that V6 did. My ramp is a lot longer and considerably steeper than this ramp and has a lot of sand on it making it much more sketchy than this (I wish it were as easy as this one!). Even creeping down the boat pulled that truck several inches when ever you tried to stop so you had to be very careful to manage your speed (E=mv²). Having surge brakes on the trailer didn't help. Put it in 4 low pulling out, a bit of wheel slip but never a problem. I bought a 2017 Chevy 2500HD 6.0L w/ tow package. It's also rated for 13,000+. Night and day difference between the 2 trucks. Chevy doesn't get pushed/pulled around as bad as the Ford running down the road. At the ramp, a bit of drag when stopping, only an inch or two if at all. Power wise, night and day difference - the Chevy struggles largely due to it's 6-speed tranny vs the 10-speed in the Ford which keeps it in the power band most of the time. But it's not just about being able to pull it, more importantly you have to be able to STOP it which is why you shouldn't cheat the tow limits of vehicles. I changed out the axles on my trailer and installed new ones w/ electric brakes on all 3 axles (only 2 on the surge system). Not only does it shorten my braking distance while travelling, it also eliminates the boat wanting to drag the truck down the ramp since they work going in reverse too unlike surge brakes.
That’s 19 minutes of my life wasted that I will never get back 😢
That wire looks a bit iffy
It is synthetic winch line, Amsteel, very strong and no snap back like wire or nylon
About to release an updated version with some hardware improvements, bigger winch, line and better setup
Bruh?! It's a big boat but it isn't the Titanic. Unless this boat is dead in the water, holy crap you made this 5 times harder than it is. Trade that trailer on a drive on bunk style is the first thing. You are over engineering this my friend. I'd like to offer suggestions. I am very experienced trailering a 30 ft Cruiser every weekend. About the same size. I did have bunks so it was easier. You are at risk of getting hurt with your face all up in that winch cable if it breaks. Plus your truck anchor cable is blocking the White Ford from the cross over so they can line up on the other ramp. Bad boater etiquette but maybe they were with you and it is an isolated ramp area with low traffic. Work on learning to drive it on. Put drive on guide posts on the back corners to eliminate the stern floating out of alignment. Back the trailer further in so that you can just see the tops of the front fenders sticking out on that ramp. It is a shallow ramp. Buy an auto latching bow stop hook like a Drotto quick release and redo the bow post set up. There is a lot going on on that bow stop brace but It looks like you could lower everything 6 inches give or take to lower your pivoting rubber bow stops which would make the cable line up better and give the anchor more clearance. Or, change out the double stop to a single so it doesn't get caught on the anchor as you drive it up. That way you can just drive it up until it latches without the anchor and pivot stops entangling and damaging anything. That is what a lot of roller trailer guys do so they don't roll back down. Drive up and it latches and you shut her down then get out and pull the truck out then do your transom ties downs and rig to to roll out of everyone else's way. No winches. No blocking a ramp for 20 minutes and getting yelled at which i am sure probably has happened to you.
The white ford is not in a parking space or lane, he was videoing from the corner.
Don't get hung up on the "time" which most is in the prep lane not in the ramp.
And when not videoing it takes even less time of course.
About to release an updated version with some hardware improvements, bigger winch and better setup.
The point is it is a much bigger boat then "average" 12,500 lbs and it is set up to single handed.
Seems like you'd want to show the youngsters what your doing to kinda help out and speed up the "Process"
I was intentionally showing the process is designed to be single handed.
The kids are rarely with use and my wife can provide only limited assistance due to health.
On a normal day they do help.
Takes me no winches and 5 minutes for my 10k lbs
Don't just talk about it show it,
no pictures then it never happened...
first time to slip a boat???
Not sure what you mean? We don't keep the boat in a slip, it's just to expensive and to much worry leaving it for weeks in the water. I do all my own repairs so being next to the house is also extremely convenient. This boat is 12,000 lbs by itself, 30 ft long, 10' 6" wide. Not your average trailer-able boat. The whole rig is 21,500 lbs CGVW. It was filmed at a quiet ramp so as not to hold anyone up. Normally takes about 10 minutes to load now with some winch improvements.
what I mean: especially the first time you launch a boat and winch on the trailer!
I wanted something physically small but it needed to be more powerful then many of the boat specific winches #4500lb Tera Super Winch. It really should have gone slightly larger as it struggles toward the end, you see I have to wait once or twice for it to cool down. I have since added a snatch block when I drop the panter and connect it directly to the bow eye. A group 24 battery is in the front storage box for both the winch and the emergency breakaway for the electric/hydraulic brakes with a trailer to truck DC-DC 5 amp charger. I have an extra set of buttons on the winch remote that will kick on the trailer brakes if anything starts to roll.
For a smaller boat winch you could run cables from the truck battery to a rear plug need to size the plug and wiring for the winch draw. Be warned a "boat winch" is rated for the weight of the boat not the line pull. i.e. #6000 boat winch is for a 6000lb boat only around 3000lb line pull. A reason I went with a real winch.
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Your trailer is way too high out of the water. Back down another 8 to 10 feet….. roll right on the trailer……. no winches necessary.
Sir you made this far too complicated .also you have help to speed up the processes but dont use them .this procedure will upset many at the ramp on a busy day. Wow what a big ass job.
Don't get hung up on the "time" which most is in the prep lane not in the ramp.
And when not videoing it takes even less time of course.
About to release an updated version with some hardware improvements, bigger winch and better setup.
The point is it is a much bigger boat then "average" 12,500 lbs and it is set up to single handed.
Meanwhile 42 boats backed up around the docks.
It surprises me how few people can read the timeline clock.
I am in the ramp less than 9 minutes, all other activity is in a prep spot. I have seen many boaters with half my size take twice that just getting there boat straight on the trailer...
To quote a previous reply...
"This is a four lane ramp and if you look carefully as I back in, the other three are empty. I chose a nice quiet day to do the filming. This was the first weekend use of the year so a little out of practice.
I am quite surprised at how many think you need to be in and out of a ramp in two minutes or less regardless of the boat size. Yet there are a hell of a lot of video on youtube with a car or truck being dragged out of the water. People dragging there skegs on the ramp. Slipping and falling. Smoking the tires trying to get out."
Sure look liked a government project.
Poor ramp etiquette . I would hate to see this guy try to work the current at a salt water ramp .
That was painful to watch.
15 minutes is too long to tie up a single ramp
Look closer it is a four lane ramp
That's the silliest pullout and the weakest diesel truck I've ever seen. Dip the damn trailer in a few more feet and piwer the boat up. Then clip it and go. Then go buy a better truck. Boat's only 9600 lbs for God's sake.
It's a roller trailer not bunks it is designed to be winched, I would be off the ramp by the time it floated and have all the truck wheels wet.
The boat is 12,500 lbs loaded, trailer 3,200 and truck 8,200 for 23,900lbs GCVWR at 26,000 I would need a CDL in South Carolina.
Cummins 24 valve has the horse power, but 3/4 ton RWD w/ limited slip dif
Plus even a dually 4x4 can get dragged down a slick ramp, this ain't no bass boat.
But hey thanks for yet another ignorant post they all count...