1993 Mr Olympia: Why Dorian DESERVED to Win (But Flex SHOULD Have Won)
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- Analysis of the seminal 1993 Mr Olympia competition where I assess and break down the prejudging comparison of the top call-out of Dorian Yates, Flex Wheeler, and Shawn Ray.
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"I'mma turn off this gay ass music because that shits annoying"
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My thoughts exactly
If Flex had won more, today's bodybuilders would likely be very different. All modern bodybuilders are playing the mass game to follow in the footsteps of Dorian and Ronnie because they know that even someone as well proportioned, balanced, and perfectly aesthetic as Flex and Shawn Ray (to a certain extent) can't beat mass.
Dorian and Ronnie were mass monsters that looked good imo, compared to Markus Ruhl for example.
Thats why they all die before 50 and if they dont die they end up like ronnie hospitalized bodybuilding the only sport that doesnt care about its athletes health
That's a good point. I would love to see what today would look like if Flex was the dominant guy in the 90s.
@@bonjour2098they looked awful from the front especially compared to guys like Nasser el sombaty and paul dillet
@@bonjour2098 markus looked good too, he was very symetrical for a mass monster
Dorians density and hardness was mind boggling, and made a huge difference. You had to to see it person to understand. He won this show. I dont think there is any doubt.
Absolutely. No contest in my opinion. Pics often don’t show the true difference.
Late reply, but A photographer at these shows said photographs did not really show how massive Dorian was compared to the others on stage, his muscle thickness alone was so far ahead of the others. He said you had to see him for real to truly comprehend how dominant he was.
@@shaundouglas2057 it's crazy how many competitors who competed against Yates, future bb-ers who attended shows like Jay Cutler, Branch Warren etc etc, photographers themselves and fans of the sport at the time have said the same thing about Yates not looking even close on pictures and footage as he did in real life...and then you have some haters who dismiss all that lol.
I've seen more than a few comments regarding Yates' legs. All that I'm going to say is that when your biggest hater called Shawn Ray that has called out his own best friends, says that you have big and good legs, then you must be doing something right.
I would say even Flex Wheeler agree with that. After announcing the places. Flex Wheeler was happy to hold and raise Dorian Yates' hand in the air. That face on Flex was different than Ronnie Coleman winning the first year.
5:40 Yes, a lot of emphasis is placed on the two back shots, because so many guys are in the running from the front. The back usually is what makes the difference.
In Person Dorian Was So Amazing To Watch Compete - He Had A Level Of Conditioning That No One Could Achieve. True Mr.Olympia
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Dorian beat everyone for # of reasons.
1) rock hard bone dry condition
2) lats Xmas tree
3) density
4) skeletal structure. Fluidity
5) best forearms calves
I agree with #1, 3 and 5. Xmas tree? Shawn and Flex were just as good in this show: i143.photobucket.com/albums/r136/Romulus32/40012flex_vs_shawn_II.jpg
And skeletal structure? Not sure what's so special about that other than it's larger than both Ray's and Flex's which allowed Dorian to outmass them.
Tomn8er I respectfully disagree with the xmas tree opinion. Flex's lower back didn't have thickness or striations as Dorians. Ray is ok but his narrow clavicles are a minus. Which is a segue way into the skeleton topic. Dorian is totally proportionate head to toe. Ray has stubby short thighs and long torso. Flex has narrow clavicles. Plus from the side chest pose his thighs look strange with the pointy knees and he had no flexion in his calves which were already high. The one point where Dorian gets beat is muscle separation.
ArseneWenger fair enough even though we don't see eye to eye that's a good argument and well articulated
Tomn8er thanks bud.
Fluidity? Lobsided quads and biceps against the sultan of symmetry? I am not saying he should not have won, but the last thing you want to bring up against flex is symmetry. Pair that with a large waist thanks to his obliques and genetics. His back was the kicker. If he had an amazing back he would never stand a chance. But he had THE back, winning him the show.
Look at the backs..it's like a whole new level for Dorian..it looks like they are from two different weight classes
Everyone is so conditioned. Labrada like a statue in the back there, amazing.
Front double bicep, Dorian's legs are ridiculous. He looks strong compared to Shawn and Flex.
4:00 just look at the sartorius on Dorian... the level of conditioning overall is insane but the separation in the legs is insane
branominal spot on !
Absolutely correct! Dorian was a from a different level of maturity.
Dorian looking absolutely insane in this pic. Then when you get to the back it’s lights out.
In 93 he looked at his best in 95 and 94 u could argue Shawn ray was beating him in the leg department
@@donkbox7317 96* and no, he wasn't beating him. Not in the legs and not overall. Many people that have been at those Olympias have said that Dorian definitely deserved those 2 wins where Ray placed 2nd, torn bicep or not.
93 Dorian is my favorite physique ever. He looked hard, sturdy and strong while remained somewhat aesthetic. I really like his proportion. Personally, I don't get the appeal of an extremely tiny waist, an exaggerated v-taper or a hollowed-out vacuum. I think it looks weak and weird. Don't get me wrong, I don't like bloated waist either. I prefer a wider, slightly thicker but not bloated midsection like 93 Yates or 01 and 09 Cutler.
My favorite mr Olympia of all time is 09 Jay Cutler. Insane mass and just incredible conditioning for such a crazy amount of muscle... and that quad stomp. Just wtf man. His chest and shoulders looked great that year too.
Yates with no Arms??? Cutler with no taper no vains? Damn such a shame
Herculean physique.. Im with you
I hear ya on the bigger waist, you can’t have truly elite core power/strength without a sturdier midsection. I know bodybuilding isn’t about physical strength and that’s why I’m not a pure fan of bodybuilding. I tend to think that the best physique should also be functionally strong, not just be all about looks.
This...but hey, let’s all whack off to small framed midgets with ‘bubbly’ muscles full of insulin assisted sugar and synthol because...aesthetics😒
Aside from the obvious, that the standards of conditioning and just general aesthetics of 90's body builders was far superior to the current generation, I honestly think the lighting of all these shows was super on point, and also whatever oil they were using just highlighted everything on their bodies, these days most bodybuilders looked like they cooked themselves in a solarium and that was it, they look really flat most times.
So I witnessed this in 1993. Took a road trip from Houston with my personal trainer co workers from the Houstonian to Atlanta. Went to see Lee Labrada. The moment of the first pre-judging call out as soon as Dorian turned to the front? Game over!!! He was twice as wide as the next competitor. His conditioning was insane! The competitors were aesthetic and pleasing to the eye, but 30 lbs lighter! Most dominant win in all Olympia History.
In my opinion Dorian won every pose, what a performance. His muscle quality, size and conditioning was unmatched.
1993 was Dorian Yates at his All-Time Greatest Shape... end of story...
1995 was pretty hard to argue with too.
so you’re telling me 1998, 1999, 2003 Ronnie never existed?
@@anilquitter9304 Practice reading,
94 gran prix tour Yates. End of story
@@delta9mda Oh yeah......hard to argue that one!
Flex actually destroys everyone here in arms
btw I totally agree that the physiques these guys brought in the 1990s annihilate just about anybody in today's line up of top pros, other than the "golden age" for popularizing the sport, etc. this was it, some might call this the "golden age" and they would also be right
Amen!
When Roelly Winklaars on he looks great from the front. His back, although wide, is lacking, especially his lower back in the double bi. Phil heath was great too.
@@nicholaschase768 roelly at is done and i stand tired of hearing that bubunder is going to make a statement he's 44 wake up
Man I died when you were doing the ass talk. I wish I could re-discover and re-sub to your channel lol
i think Dorian should've won this show and his winning streak should've stopped at 93. Shawn Ray should've won 94, Kevin Levrone in 95, Shawn Ray in 96, Nasser in 97.
I'm not talking about his personality. That may well be true however, you can't deny the presentation of Shawn Ray as a bodybuilder. He was damn good.
+Allen Bey lol you're joking
Levrone no way couldve won in 95
Dorian had the same size and conditioning as 1993 in 1995 if not better
Ok. I'll give Dorian 95
And i forgot to mention in '96 Dorian was also the winner, because he was in great shape.
Maybe in 94 was Shawn's year but otherwise the other years were Dorian's
Nasser challenged Dorian from the front. But Once they turned around, it was game over for him.
Sorry, but no.
This is one the best film-piece of work that you've showing from that time, and you give to the viewers the connection between the golden era till the late 80s and early 90s, showing the developments since, amazing work bro, and still you can connect it with recent developments, in my opinion, Dorian owned the CROWN, thanks a lot mate..Love it
I was there. If you had been there in person you hadnt question this at all.
So I've heard. I envy you man
But still, i would wanna look like Flex rather then Dorian any day, but this is bodybuilding and i remember it like it was yesterday. i was only 23 years old and had then only been trained for 6 years, and when Dorian went in i thought, what the fuck this man is insanely big and so f..ing ripped to the bone, dry and dense so it was no contest really.
1993 is still the single most dominating physique ever.
Antarctic Vortex Look at Ronnie in the 1999 Grand Prix in England! Holy shit!
@@phoenixrisin2269 Arnold 1971 to 74. Or sergio 67 to 68. 72 was so close between those 2 beasts. Jay Cutler in 2009. Phil in 2013. Haney against Strydom from the back, I forget the year. A lot of Domination there. Ronnie in 1999 was so fucking beast though, no arguments there. 2003 was insane but he really looked better in 1999. I'm kinda responding to who you responded to.
@Dale Wilson But 2003 Ronnie would look soft standing next to Dorian.
@Dale Wilson Let's keep it real here. Ronnie would get outshined in the back department, heavily. His back was already inferior to Dorian's (conditioning wise) before he started having worse conditioning. Ronnie just wasn't there in 2003. He was freaky but the difference between him and Dorian, conditioning wise, would've been significant.
@Nicholas Holland Ronnie was around 248 in 1998 and around 257 in 1999. Dorian was around 260 in 1993. 2003 Ronnie would def make Dorian appear much smaller.
Man I like your vids and analysis and usually find it pretty accurate except when it comes to anything regarding flex wheeler, you always call out "fan boys" of whoever but you cannot see it in yourself when it comes to flex, its like you don't want to except the fact that flex wheeler lost to dorian, this whole video you say "by today's bodybuilding standards..." and "who would you rather look like..." the problem was by the standard of the 1990s and considering how many of the legends dorian handedly beat with the except of 1997, there was nobody that could touch him back then, and I can tell that pisses you off. I love flex's physique as well but it hard to see our own biases until someone else point them out....still a fan of the channel and still enjoy all your vids and commentary but if flex put one of his old jocks up on ebay, it seems like you be first in line to buy it. Still, I respect the channel and keep the content coming but I just could hold my tongue about your vids and flex wheeler anymore bro, i'm sorry.
Yeah, that's true. Flex was a good bodybuilder, but he was really vulnerable. He had a lot of flaws. Soft hams and glutes, inferior calves, inferior back (still really good though), forearms... it showed in the poses. Really weak lat spreads, gets absolutely beaten in the side tricep by Dorian, BDB too. Flex got only worse later, using oil. He was also gifted the 2nd place at the '99 Olympia.
Couldn’t have said it better, love the channel. But come on, Sean and Dorian were far ahead of Flex.
I was about to write a similar comment till I read yours. Spot on and well said he’s just too much of a Flex fan
@@marijancorluka4500 debatable. Dorian had shit pecs and shit arms through his whole career. But his posing was impecable and he always had the best conditioning. 1993 was close, but yea I see it going either way.
Flex Wheeler, one man who never got what he really deserved in bodybuilding. He is in my opinion the most complete and
most balanced bodybuilder of all time.
He is, in my terms, one of the most overrated bodybuilders, with Jay Cutler.
Gabriel Fernández not cutler but I agree with what you said about flex
Complete?
No hamstrings or glutes....
He got more than he deserved. He was gifted 2nd place in 98
I Agree with You 1000% about the Ridiculously Ripped Glutes Erotica... I want to see Bodybuilding not a Porno Strip Tease
Shawn Ray here is really amazing, though he usually was
The FLS performed by Yates in 93 Olympia is the most insane thing i have seen in bodybuilding till this day.
Flex was NOT as conditioned as Yates in 93, nor was he as dense and thick . And this was the last year Dorian still sported an amazing taper. NOBODY was beating Yates in 93 or 93. Flex's glutes and hams were much much softer then Yates's. Yates was also more grainy all over .
Flex deserved the win in 93...hands down...i disagree..
You're right. Flex always soft in glutes hama calves
Flex Wheeler was much more conditioned, ripped, and more symmetrical.. Dorian had a wide waiste. With one of his biceps are smaller than the other..
@@billmullinax9250 To claim that Flex ever was better conditioned than Dorian is just delusional.
@@rh_BOSS do u even know what conditioning means?? Flex body fat and muscle tone was beyond better than big guy Mr. Yates.. flex was a better bodybuilder than Dorian.. while Flex didn't even win a Mr. O
18:29 those are called obliques and serratus anterior
21:23
What's the issue with the glutes? If you're looking at a dude in the street and admiring his ass, then I can understand the weirdness. But this is bodybuilding. You look at the body and muscularity as a whole, like a sculpture. You don't look at the glutes in a sexual context. And the good thing about glutes, as well as hamstrings, is that they are the best indicators of just how conditioned the athlete is. In fact, in Flex's case, his glutes and hams became indicators to judges as to what sort of shape he was going to be in on stage.
That's a very good point. I agree with you that glutes used to be the hallmark of great conditioning. Nowadays I've seen numerous times where the guy has shredded glutes but a distended washed out midsection. I think the midsection has now more or less replaced glutes as the real indicator of great conditioning, sad to say
Tomn8er Yeah, sadly so. Like you mentioned when commenting on Shawn Ray, you rarely see diced intercostals/serratus alongside chiseled abs nowadays.
I made a video about this same contest a while back, and said pretty much the same things (if a little less eloquently). I love your commentary Tom, and your unique take on the bodybuilding world at large. Keep it up!
Same with Ronnie. Ifbb loves legacies. Ronnie won 98, 99, 03, 04, 05. To me Kevin won in 2000, Cutler in 2001, and Gunther in 2002.
Kevin won in 2000? lol Dude had no legs and no back. Just better side chest than Ronnie, that's it. In 01 Ronnie was bloated but he still killed everyone from the back by a long shot. Jay was holding water on his low back and glutes like he always do and Ronnie was miles ahead in conditioning from the back. From the front tho it's pretty close and in some poses Jay wins. But back in the day you'd have to win the back poses to take down the champ
Alexis Carvalho jay is overrated af soft baby physic
They'll all fantastic but Dorian is by far the best. Blokes an alien!
great channel. make more vids. im a huge bodybuilding geek. I love channles by fans that love the sport instead of just doing vids of whatever is popular. great job.
Looking at the thumbnail takes me back to 93... Flex was good, but Dorian was next level.
Why?????? Dorian had The best back ever, better glutes, hamstrings, lower back, chest, that year is unbeatable.....flex always was miserable in glutes, hamstrings, lower back, chest, Calves and condition. Many years looks like jelly condition . With that weak points you can't be mr Olympia. And the same happen versus Ronnie.
Sure ok but Flex had the best arms, better midsection, better shoulders, better quads, better shape, symmetry, aesthetics, tinier joints and fuller muscle bellies. His conditioning was also pretty spot on this year the only areas that weren't absolutely diced were the hams and glutes. I think that's a pretty good trade off :P
First ... love your videos! second...it's not a body part contest, it's a bodybuilding contest, and as you said it is judged based on the best combination of size AND conditioning.... Dorian is winning nearly every pose that you posted...except for the ab/thigh.... to me this contest is not even close.... I'm actually EXTREMELY impressed with how Shawn looks here....his legs are completely superior to Flex.
@@Tomn8er Flex is far from Dorian. Dorian is in another level.
@@frankmogavero6052 Shawn should have been second. Abs and thighs is also a Dorians win.
You've come a long way with your videos!
Heard Dorian talk about the show in an interview, he broke it down pose for pose & which guy won the most poses, which is supposed to be the criteria in which this show is judged . The bottom line is he won the most poses therefore winning the show.
Great video! Do you think they made a mistake in bodybuilding when they started valuing size above aesthetics? Who knows where this would end, right, if they gave this one to Flex?
Maybe bodybuilding would have went a little more mainstream with people like Flex, Shawn, and Kevin winning the shows, over Ronnie, and Dorian. Though when Ronnie is in shape, he has great symmetry to go with his awesome size.
Haha
“Gay ass music”.
It’s always refreshing to hear someone talk casually like a real human instead of a pandering SJW.
To me, the '93 Olympia and the '98 Olympia are the 2 best contests of the 90s. All of the Top 6 we're at their best for both of the shows I stated.
I thunk The poses from the back tend to carry more weight because the back has both more potential to show detail but it’s also the hardest detail to earn. Ppl can look to be similar condition from the front and they’ll turn around and one guy will be dry and etched and the other is water logged. It may only be 2 poses but it’s also the real test for conditioning AND a great test for completeness because plenty of ppl lack large swaths of posterior chain muscle…
2:21 Look at Dorian's lats compared to Flex's lats. Now you see why Dorian WON !
Cool video. It was a tough call, although I am a big Levrone fan. But yeah Flex was amazing & better to me than Dorian in a number of key poses. I quite disagree on comparing Coleman to Dorian, they were quite different. Coleman in his peak years was quite a bit more aesthetic as well as more massive than Dorian. Coleman in my opinion was one of the most aesthetic BB's that ever lived as well as the most massive. Although Dorian kept a tighter midsection than Coleman. Also I feel Dorian looked significantly better in the famous Black & white photos taken just prior to the Olympia, he peaked early & that was the peak of his whole career before the injuries started
myflesh10 When Coleman was aeasthetic he couldn't hang with Yates. By the time he gets Yates sized he looked like a bloated water balloon.
Coleman had horrible conditioning in so many spots.
First video on the channel but still a great video. 🙌🙌🙌
Deserved to win, is a bit of an understatement
Dorian was just different level due to his granite conditioning! I personally think what made him stand out against flex with his front lat pose .. is his body frame was not as genetically gifted as Flex so his lat development looked way more impressive 👏
Look how high Dorian raises his shoulders to really show as much of the lats as possible.
POOR judging robbed of the majestic wonder that was Flex Wheeler. Since the judges could not get it right, they forced Flex to play the size game and we all lost
14:24 Totaly agree man !!!!
old school body builders were more respectful to the public when they used to wear a classic underpants like Arnold !
Dorian is a much better poser. Notice how he keeps his hands up high on his waist. Keeps your bis from blocking your lats.
Also good point at the end, Lee Labrada looked the best out of all of them at a lighter weight
From the back ,Dorian was flawless, Back, hamstrings calves. Done deal.
Dorian wins!, He was just too dry and well conditioned - He was just way too dedicated
I first saw Dorian in magazines in 1990. I liked his look--he actually appeared more aesthetic than he did later, being reminiscent of a blonde CA surfer muscle man (so I was surprised to learn a bit later he was a Brit). He was known for lifting some heavy weight, which is something I strived for too in my own bodybuilding training.
In seeing the review in Flex magazine of the 1991 Olympia, I was impressed with his hardness, vascularity, and overall arm development. I also remember thinking that he looked odd in photos at first. In reading the Olympia article, the person stated that Dorian was so deceptive in photos--you had to see him in person--that he was "light years" ahead of the way he looked in photos.
In time though, I came to notice something that I think struck you in this video: compared to other bodybuilders in his day, Dorian looked like he was in 3D on 2D media. I didn't really see that effect as much from the other athletes, at least not from all angles like I did with Dorian.
He had some genetic shortcomings--shallow pecs, tiny rectus femoris, poor leg sweep. Still, he smoked everyone on all back, forearm, and calf development, and was among the best in his day in shoulder, triceps, and hamstring development. While not a ballerina, he was deft at hitting individual poses.
It is an incredible shame 1994 went the way it did. I could tell he was making gains that year that were later stunted. He had to reinvent himself a touch, and showed up in unbelievable condition for the 1995 and 1996 Mr. Olympias (with the latter having diuretic testing). He may have been gifted a title in 1997.
I felt he was the first Mr. Olympia to really take the sport to a new level post Arnold. Haney had great conditioning, though his muscle shape, posing, and mass didn't make him feel like an 8-time Olympia winner in relation to Arnold's 7 titles. On the other hand, it feels like Arnold and Dorian won 10 each because of how dominant they were.
Nice review of one of the greatest moments in bodybuilding.
great comment
JaloV2000 if you've seen the London Real interview. Dorian Yates said he pictured that as a kid (the sun glasses, tanning etc) but when he did his first show in the U.S (Night Of Champions) were he placed 2nd to I think a small Egyptian Bbuilder (can't remember his name ATM). He qualified for the Olympia. As the show was going on everyone saw how amazing Dorian look, didn't know who the hell he was but quickly got fans to cheer for him, and how he should've won. Everyone started chanting for him (typical New Yorkers I would know as I was born and race in NYC.. Still here) saying Dorian! Dorian! Dorian! He said New Yorkers are like Brits where as he said people from Cali are total opposites.
The "mainstream" would perfer the boy short division. If both guys have the same conditioning then the bigger guy wines. Yates had BOTH the size and conditioning peroid.
Dorian looked so good this year. Godamn
Flex 22 1/2” arms, 27” waist, 31” thighs, 52” chest, calves unknown because all of the oil in them. So were his arms but not as noticeable!😂 The difference between them is training intensity, heavy free weights, working out all year vs. A lot of machine work, lifts in season only, relies on superior genetics instead of hard work!
Its so hilarious people think that any human could look like Flex Wheeler without working out hard. You think he was just chillin in the gym and he turned out like that?
Dorian is walking away with this in every pose. Some guys just had bad timing . No one was beating Dorian here. Look at all the guys who should have won when Lee Haney was around.
Absolutely not in every pose, that's delusional. Deserved to win but in no universe did he take every single pose, that's crazy talk
True, fdb even in 1993 was his weakest pose and he visibly beat both Shawn and Flex in that, imo.
Insulin and diuretics killed flex
He's alive bro
@@ohmy9261 He wasn't saying that litteraly.
@@giganticitalianbodybuildin1584 I know Alessandro
@@ohmy9261 I had to make sure you weren't serious.
synthol, calf implants and being a puss boi that cheated on his diet not pushing too hard killed Flex* he lost by 3 points to Ronnie against Ronnie's best physique (as far as Ronnie is concerned as he said that's his all time best physique). The biggest criticism of Flex in '98 was...you guessed it, soft glutes and hamstrings. That "easily" could've been fixed if Flex wasn't a pushover and really dialed it in and came in absolutely shredded like he used (ding ding, 1993) and possibly could've even beaten Ronnie under those circumstances.
Yates looks great here
I just realized I have been a fan of yours since the inception. So much time has passed.
No one can ever look like a greek god statue
Dorian yates : hold my protein shake
Might be the greatest physique of all time Dorians best look by far. I would put this Dorian up against any other Mr O check it out!
Agree. Before all his bad injuries. His legs were just sick.
How? He’s blocky in the midsection. He looks bloated. His biceps are too small compared to his lats. To me Flex and Shawn both look better than him.
Dorian legs, back just from another planet
By far your best video. I appreciate your personal thoughts on the sport.
I'm looking at the screen. Schmidt-dead. Matarazzo-dead. Flex-1 leg. Dang.
Dorian won from the moment the curtain opened at prejudging. Flex told Shawn on stage they got it wrong and Flex should have been third Shawn should have been second.
Dorian won the moment those black and white photos turned up 6 weeks out
Dude the way you talk has improved so much in your newer videos. Very nice
Thanks! Mostly I just try more now, had no idea anybody would even watch this first video lol so didn't put much planning or effort into it
I know man haha. You said in a previous video that you have a hard time just improvising so you write down what you're going to say :p
Btw i recently saw your mad comment on a Luimarco video that he goes on and on with bullshit and minimal talk about bodybuilding what we care about XD. I agree man that's why I love to see vids like Your's and Nick's. Have a good day...
Was that lee lebrada at the end? hes like standing in the middle as a champion
Yes Dorian's back and lats were amazing
Shawn, Flex, or Dorian could beat EVERYONE at the olypias since Phil Heath started winning
Not the early Phil Heath
In his first three Olympia’s wins Phil heath would have decimated these guys !!!!
@@j.huffhumble4281 Shawn and Flex? Definitely. He'd destroy those two I'm every pose besides ab and thigh and the front lat spread. Flex could potentially take the FD too. But they're beaten everywhere else.
Dorian? Nah. Dorian takes the ab and thigh and the two latspreads no questions asked. The rest is debatable but I'd say Dorian would take most of them.
awesome top 3 . flex could of easily won if they judge's had of gone for the pleasing physique and Shawn ray could of taken 2nd but you can not argue with big dorian Yates taking it.
You have to understand the time period. Before this true roided up mass monsters didn't hit the stage. Dorian's mass and condition and back blew everyone away for this time period. If you also look at the comments during that time, everyone on stage knew Dorian won six weeks before anyone stepped on stage. We all want to go back to 20 plus years ago and change the past because if Flex won then bodybuilding would be different today. But we can't change it. Dorian owned 1993 and changed the game, whether for better or worse. Another thought was Dorian definitely should have lost to Flex in another year, but not this year!
Good points I wasn't around to watch this when it happened so Yates' greater size doesn't wow me after watching so many years of Ronnie and Jay dominating everyone lol. But still. I wish Flex would've won
There's no reason to dispute that Dorian won the show,and deserved to.This point that Flex Wheeler was more atheistic, doesn't make sense.Its a bodybuilding contest,not a atheistic contest.People have to realize Flex Wheeler was out size, out conditioned and out everything in the 93 Mr.O!
Thanks so much for this video!!! Glory days
They don't make them like that now !!!! I wish bodybuilders were shredded like that nowadays !!!! It's kinda sad what bodybuilding came to now !!!!
I was never much of a fan of Dorian back in the 90s. I have grown to really respect his 93 and even 92 build, but ultimately, I'm agreeing that it should be about the aesthetics.
Then change the name from bodybuilding to body sculpting or aesthetics or something like that
I think dorians 93/95 versions are the best thing ever brought to a stage but i have ray winning easily in 1992 though
Anyone thinking past Dorians physique is missing the point (I’m the judges position)
Plus, re: Yate’s biceps being poor - I wanted to point out @4:00 that if you cover his forearm (nearest Shawn Ray) with your finger and compare biceps with Flex, pretty comparable , Yates had such huge forearms (&delts) that gave illusion of small arms .
Also, look how Lambrada is in awe is of Yates during routine
I wonder if Arnold have watched any of your videos himself 😂😂 the intro would piss him yeah😂😂
Your Arnie voice is hilarious lol
Hilarious.... it annoys the shit out of me
Dorian had huge fucking arms at his prime without the injuries
“It’s not even really an ass at that point.” Lmao
Shawn had a fairly wide back and was definitely underrated in that department as well as others. Dorian had best back EVER. Flex was most aesthetic ever depending upon the contest too he was one of best ever obviously. so was Shawn ray and so was dorian. good calls here, man.
+a body yeah I know Ronnies back was insane too, but I prefer Dorian better. Dorian 1, Ronnie 2 for all time best back.
Tony Tigre dorian front lat spread best ever
+louis lydecker agreed!
Phenomenal contest. I was lucky enough to be there in person and it was absolutely epic. Beyond belief. In person, Dorian was simply astounding. Just sicker than fuck. Flex was the most outrageous rookie to ever hit the O up until this show, even outshining Kevin from a year before in Helsinki. In my opinion:
Dorian had some of the greatest triceps of ALL TIME. insane development and kick ass unusual shape. So his side tricep to me is matched only by Paul DeMayo, but Dorian's conditioning in the legs blew Paul away. It's really amazing to look in retrospect that Dorian's best years were (to me) '92 and '93. I didn't mind his look in '94, he was definitely a little bloated but still looked impressive and of course '95 he was hard as hell but the bicep deformity just ruined the later years for me. I never liked his '96 showing at all; I thought he looked wayyyyy too emaciated. The fullness was just not at all what was necessary against the monstrous Nasser that year. Nasser was simply killer that year in my opinion in Chicago. But I totally agree with you on one major thing: to me, Shawn Ray is one of the most underrated body builders ever to hit the stage from 92-99. His best years to me were '93, '95, and '99. '99 being his best and '93 his second. I didn't see the hype of '94 at all and though Kevin should have bested him that year. But Ray's symmetry to me was superior even to Wheeler. Wheeler had cooler AESTHETICS, but symmetry wise, Ray was missing nothing and proportions were literally perfect. Great reviews on these golden year videos. I miss the sport of this era. Today's guys can't pose for shit, their proportions blow, and the conditioning is a fucking joke. Amateur shows are even more nauseating. The lack of posing ability alone makes me never want to attend another amateur show again.
flex had tiny joints and great muscle bellies, but his triceps connected high.that was his only flaw. man, though, I never to this day have seen conditioning like Dorian Yates though.
Andreas Muntzer
Mike Matarazo saw Dorian back stage and asked if he even had skin!😂
I agree 100%, Flex was far more cut and symmetric than Yates.
Dayoung1s5933 get your eyes checked
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Shawn Ray looked good too, but Dorian takes it
ray looks like a kid out there
You are right Dorian led to a dead end, BB is dying as result
Dorian 93 is the absolute pinnacle of bodybuilding. Whilst Flex was talented he wasn’t Dorians incredible conditioning and size. How can you beat a man that would do literally anything it took to win?? Flex could never match his mindset
Dorian lats look like wings and like he's about to take off and fly away !!!!
Tommernator is this your first video??
Flex had a beautiful symmetrical physique
But he didn’t have Dorians back, forearms, width, glutes, calves , and Dorian was dry to the bone !!!!!
Flex had soft hams and glutes and zero calves
this would be the last time Yates deserved to win.even tho he has more size here.i still feel if flex had a little more lat spread.he represents a better Olympia body.ray even has a better look
I really wish conditioning now was like this...
Classic Physique is taking over the scene. Worth following for sure if you like this over modern day Chris Bumstead is the new standard for modern day bodybuilding
@@theparadisesnare classic is based on like 70s bodybuilding their maxed at specific weights and nowhere near as big as these guys here
@@gregwilmot3260 Well it's pretty obvious you can't really have both maximum size AND conditioning, otherwise mens open BB would be super conditioned, but it's not lately bc they push it too far with Insulin and GH. Previous commentor was talking about conditioning, hence why i made my comment. It's obvious both cannot be achieved, you either get Classic Physique, or big pregnant overweight freaks
@@theparadisesnare 90s bodybuilders had much better conditioning than arnold or any of the 70s guys
@@gregwilmot3260 Of course they did. When you have a drug supply 70 times better than people from two decades ago no crap your conditioning would be better.
IFBB instead of sandow trophy, should make a Dorian’s FLS like trophy
What about a Ronnie BDB trophy?
5:00 "body building is pretty much two things. Mass and conditioning."
Now that is someone who understands bodybuilding and how it is judged. Aesthetic's are awesome, symmetry is great... but, if you want to win you need to come in big and shredded. I'm not saying that it is being judged correctly but I am saying that if you here someone say bodybuilding is mainly about mass and conditioning chances are that person understands the sport and how it is judged.
Dorian's RLS was a real sight to see but his BDB wasn't even though he had a really crazy back it tends to be narrow while he hits it
Flex has used synthol in his arms it showed especially in 1993 with that epic video of his best shape and ever...but I gotta say Flex used synthol perfectly it made his bellies even rounder and didn't throw the symmetry off but you can still tell there is something going on in those arms
Synthol wasn't even around until about 1995
@@Tomn8er Jesus then he must of used some sort of compound? his arms look round with full muscle bellies but odd funny at the same time like especially the biceps