Building code won't let you use rough lumber ? Get yourself a 'native species' law passed. Several States have them, I wrote the one for Tennessee and got my local legislator to sponsor it. Took 2 years to get it passed, but NOW in Tennessee, you can use the lumber off your place to build your house. Go forth and do likewise.
How does a person go about doing that? I would love to see one passed here in Michigan! Last I knew the only state that had one was Wisconsin. I'm glad to hear that TN has one now, and mega kudos to you for making that happen! I'm very interested in any advise you might have. Also you said several states, is there a list of these states listed somewhere online?
New Hampshire and New York have them. Don't know about a list, I simply did a web search and found those. As for how to, I simply went to my State Representative and explained the situation....that hundreds of thousands of houses across Tennessee were built with sawmill lumber because there was no code, and I can't find any that fell down as a result. As long as the homeowner is willing to accept the responsibility of using it, why should the State care ? Stupid to be living in the middle of a heavily forested State with a large forestry industry AND BE IMPORTING CRAP LUMBER from the west coast and Canada. Edit: BTW, really stress that part about your local forest industry......legislators love to be doing stuff for the economy in their State versus imports....this gives them an excuse. One of the things that helped put this over the top was getting the State forester involved in the process. He agreed, as did every member of the committee that it had to come out of (I emailed or called all of them.....most were totally ignorant of the code requirements, and when informed, said "well that's dumb". I wrote the law out in my form, my Rep had it re-written to conform to normal 'law' language, and off we went. It really is NOT that hard to do.
Thank You, I read the TN law, and I like that one the best. Mind if I use that as a model for Michigan? I am going to call my state rep on Monday. Also I am going to compile a list of states who have these laws for the website. If you can think of anymore please let me know.
Over the years I've had some spirited discussions with building inspectors on this issue. I was born and raised in New Orleans where most of the homes were built long before lumber grading. Amazingly, most are still standing with many over 200 years old! Imagine that!😅
Lumber from big box stores is terrible. I’m a contractor and I have to order 12-20% more then I need because you get junk guaranteed even graded lumber.
Purchased a home in NE GA with only 2 acres. The lot was overgrown with mature oak (red and white), viginia pine, and birch. Removed 40 trees and we ended up with a truckload of 13-14 ft straight sections. Sent to a local sawmill and had it cut into 1x, 2x, 4x lumber. Built a two story shed, 12x16 covered BBQ gazebo, multiple covered firewood sheds for the crooked logs split into firewood. Cost me $5000 to cut down the trees and $1200 for milling.
@Templar think about it for 1 minute. These were towering red oak and pine that required climbing to the top and removing parts at a time to prevent damage to the house and other structures.
Folks who have both the skills and equipment to harvest their own, process their own and build or make their own really have an advantage. I've never done it, but I would imagine it's deeply satisfying to see a barn or even just a shed go up with your own hands knowing you took it from tree to finished project all on your own.
@@nuancolar7304 Devils advocate: It's about safety and strength of the lumber.. but as he said in the video you don't have to be Warner Von Braun to judge a piece of lumber. I don't see why you can't get a quick day class or few hour class cert and paperwork to judge lumber.
I really appreciate the value of the information you've shared, thanks for explaining and showing how important it is to educate yourself on what's meaningful in your life... I for one appreciate you taking the time to educate me on what I should do with my family land.
I like the way you think. Im working on building up a property and plan on using as much material from the property and local labor as possible. I Currently building a cabin in the woods. Great vedio.
You can bypass your local building inspector when building a house.. If you hire a engineering firm to draw your blueprints and they give you a material list plus they will do the inspections of the house at different steps of construction. You have just taken the local building inspector out of the picture.. Your local building inspector is not a engineer, he was hired by the county to do a job like a bylaw officer... All commercial building are inspected by a engineering firm because your local building can be jo blow off the street that his uncle works for the county or town or whatever and got him the job.. They are not qualified to inspect anything more then a residential house.. If you get a engineering firm to do this then you are taking your house build to a level above the local building inspector level.. Be warned, your local inspector will hate you for this and he will most likely try to cause trouble...
the key to longevity of any building be it a barn or a house is that the roof overhangs far enough to get the water away from the base of the building. wall and post rot is usually what does in most old barns. the first step in determining how much overhang is needed is go around the area you're settling in and take a good hard gander at other barns and houses without rain gutters on them and see how much backsplash there is at the base of the walls; the more there is, the more overhang is needed. also snow accumulation at the end of winter will tell you how much overhang is needed should you be in an area with copious snowfall.
I Appreciate this. I own 3 acres on agricultural land. I do not need permits as I'm told in Florida. I bought trusses from someone on the cheap and bought my own sawmill. Already dropped 7 tall water oaks? I plan on building soon and hope I have no issues.
I've never seen an inspector look for lumber stamps. They "assume" and i have found it is better to ask for forgiveness than permission. A milled 2x4, 2x6, 4x4...looks exactly the same as the big box stores. Ijs...😁👍
I am doing my research on homesteading and building my own home. Its really frustrating with all these road blocks. There has to be a way all of the homesteaders come together and put an end to this. And thanks for the info.
My daughter is running into the frustrations of building and dealing with codes. Her thought is "if my house falls on me it is my problem not the county's." So we had to use graded 1 1/2 X 3 1/2s instead of rough 2x4s. Which is stronger?
T K , In many if not most cases you'll find that the laws, ordinances, regulations codes , were put into place to protect the commercial producer. NOT the consumer ! With codes in place , now one needs to be a licensed plumber, electrician, carpenter, etc.to do the work . The government of course charges a fee for the licenses. And of course there must be a government inspector for each kind of work. Everyone makes some money . The only one that is unhappy is the consumer that is doing the paying . An example is when I bought my house. I have a well so the county required that I have a water test done by a county inspector . The water test was never done. But, the Democrat County government was happy as long as they had my $250.00 ! Yes, of course , the fee had to be paid in advance !
I'm not sure why why we have developed a society where we pay people to hassle us in the name of our "safety." In some other arguments on you-tube it is all "code says" not what will work or actually makes sense. I'm guessing that most inspectors have never built anything. My father says "those that can do and those that can't do become inspectors." Thomas Jefferson said that if we give up our rights for our safety we will lose both and gain neither.
Andrew Stergiou , I could just bare hear the man so I gave up watching . So I did not hear what he had to say about capitalism. I think that you are barking up the wrong tree. It is quite popular o blame capitalism for many of societies ills. Which is very often very far from the actual truth. Much of this stuff got started way back during the late 1800's in New York City. Few people realize that N.Y.C. has been controlled by the Democrats since that time. At that time in N.Y.C. if you wanted to do anything public you had to have permission from Tammany Hall which was the headquarters of the Democrat Party. To reduce competition for work a few of the tradesmen went to Tammany Hall and for a sizable donation the Democrats agree to begin licensing of tradesmen. Now , you could not work without being licensed. At least not openly. ( it 's still that way today. ) And being licensed , they built everything to their own ( secret ) code. Of course now the work had to be inspected by a government (Democrat ) inspector. This way the government ( the Democrats ) gets a piece of the building cost. Now , you may be a whizbang plumber , but , if you are not licensed , the government inspector is not going to inspect your work. It may be your own house and you may have built better than code but you may have to hire a licensed plumber to tear out your work and rebuild to the lower code standards. I have seen it happen. It happened to me with the sunroom that I built onto my house. I was not a licensed carpenter so it had to be demolished and rebuilt by a licensed carpenter if I still wanted to have a sunroom. It wasn't built to code by a licensed carpenter ! And yet I had a licensed carpenter tell me that he had never seen walls so plumb or all four corners so square. But, I live in a Democrat run state , in a Democrat run county , in a Democrat run city. At one point it was quietly suggested that there may be a way to save my sunroom if an appropriate donation was made to the County Democrat Committee . But I refuse to kowtow in that manner. I demolished the sunroom myself , sold the materials and nearly broke even. And no sunroom. You see , to have a licensed carpenter build it for me would have cost me nearly $10,000.00 more than doing it myself. It's the Socialists that are doing it to us . Not the Capitalists. Ah , the Republicans are the party of the rich . Really ? President Trump is the only Republican billionaire that I know of . Few have noticed that every other billionaire that you have heard of is a Democrat ! Of the CEO's of those nasty , powerful corporations that we love to hate , 72% of them are Democrats ! We've been barking up the wrong tree folks. And the tree is nearly ready to fall upon us.
ai live in Georgia and I have my own sawmill and I will byuld ANYthing I want on my own land I pay taxes on exery year. Bad move for an inspector to come by and say anything except good job!
A facet of home construction/homesteading that I never considered. Pardon the cliche statement but you made a good point regarding the nature of "The Man" just trying to stick it to us. Subscribed!
You had to do that because some politician is most likely in the back pocket of these people that want to make sure you have to buy their crappy product.
Your rant is soooo justified. It's sad to say but we no longer live in the land of the free. This country now belongs to the politicians and the rich. Today's attitude seems to be to through out all the ideas and things that made this country great. My dad built the house I grew up in in the 50's with mostly rough cut lumber from our farm and sawn on the sawmill owned by my grandfather. My dad still lives is that house and it's still in as good a shape as it was when it was first built. The whole situation makes you wonder why it is that some people seem to live for the purpose of oppressing others. Take heart in the end God will prevale.
AS a certified lumber grader the course was 150 hours. After that, I trained for 6 months on the grading line to achieve 98% accuracy and was recertified monthly thereafter. Wane, stain, and knots is only part of the skill. 50% of the cuts made on these backyard mills can't be used as structural lumber. That said, It's more economical to use your own lumber but you'll need to use all the techniques to account for the drying process of green lumber.
I can cut better grade lumber off my property any day of the week.. Lumber grading and building codes did stop me from building with it, until I made great friends with a structural engineer, who will sign off on any job I do. Im not saying I can use every stick but 90 percent is as good or better than any big box store. Tried getting my local state reps submit a bill that landowners could use their wood thats cut on their property to build whatever they want. Has to be built to code without any grading but it's too much money to be made ripping off the poor man. This youtuber knows exactly what I mean, along with anyone else trying to build their own home. I truly wish ppl would research this before buying warped 2x4's from Lowes when they can cut straight timber with a tight grain and save money. Personally had I never met my friend I'd still build. I know of a couple sawmill operators who made there own grading stamp and they built homes thatll last when we're all gone!
I wanted to mill my own lumber, 3 regulatory agencies will shut you down fast in my state, $7k in fines and you have to have sales to get a license......but my state also allows kids to ride motorcycles with no helmet and flip flops but will make your life hell for not wearing a seat belt.....none of it's common sense.
When you said kids and no helmets and flip flops, I thought Florida. I'm in Branford Fl. That's North Central, Suwannee County. I've got a small sawmill operation and I sell a lot of wood on Craigslist. They don't require much if you want to own a business and work. But that's going to differ from county to county. I know in St. Augustine (St. Johns County) you need a permit just to change the carpet in your house. This video starts off with his observation of people migrating to the country. There's no wonder why.
Most 100 year plus houses still standing today were built with unstamped lumber or the interference of government bureaucrats. They want under their boot. Paying taxes and interest on mortgages.
only if you want to connect to their grid. that's a private company. has nothing to do with public regs or codes. if you want it just powering yourself and be off the grid they can't charge you.
@@garyg2 There are many areas, for instance in both Utah where I moved from, and Washington where I moved to, in which the regulations specifically state that you can't have solar power without being connected to the power grid. Power companies aren't private companies, they're regulated utility providers, and have some for of public utility department govening them. If you build a solar system without anybody knowing, and don't connect it, that's one thing, just don't get caught during an inspection of some form.
I have seen homes built out of every grade of lumber there is. The only codes I've ever seen enforced is when a owner/builder takes too long to frame their house and the lumber is too seasoned. I've never seen approved lumber only. Lumber is graded in the mill when it's processed . The only time an inspector comes in to check a grade stamp is when a mill tries to pass off inferior lumber or a different species .
You can build a house out of the crap from Home Depot... A grade 3 they call grade 2. If I use my own sawmill and cut knot free grade one boards, I have to have an engineer write a letter and say it is equal or better. ABSOLUTELY STUPID. I can build small pole barn with sawmill lumber and I can use it for flooring, cabinets, or other non-structural lumber.
let's assume for a minute that you yourself are capable of doing what you say. humans are idiots. imagine 100 people trying to select the trees, process it and build structures with it. without codes, how many of them would succeed in building a safe structure? my bet is less than 10%. you can scream to high heaven all you want, but a bunch of stupid people in the past who caused property damage, injuries & deaths because they didn't know how to do it right proved the need for these types of codes.
@@sasquatch2316, if people's actions only affected themselves we could just let it be, but that's not how the world works, so don't pretend it does work like that but when people's stupidity puts others at risk, it's not ok. if a house only falls on the person who built it, i personally don't care. but police, fire, ems would still respond and we pay for all of that and when that house falls on that person's family, or unsuspecting guests, it's in the govt's interest to protect citizens when EMT's come in to rescue someone who had a heart attack, and their lives get put in danger cuz of said idiot, that's not ok and when that idiot does something stupid that causes a fire that wipes thru a town and kills dozens of ppl and destroys dozens of homes, that's not ok nobody is pretending we can eliminate any of that 100%, but nothing is 100%, codes do reduce those kinds of incidents, save lives and money do you want your house burned down and your family burned alive because of your dumb neighbor? i think not. me neither. we do not live in a bubble where our actions only affect ourselves, so stop the dumb petulant child act
@@garyg2 And that's why I'm fine with commercial inspections, but this is a man's land we're talking about. As for your examples, a roof isn't going to collapse all because someone is having a heart attack, plus they can have a heart attack in a shed, a trench, or any unsafe area. Also, building codes help prevent fire spread and fire danger, but it's really bad habits and the fuel load that's going to cause a fire. A house perfectly up to code that someone is a hoarder in, and which has overloaded receptacles is going to catch and spread fire a lot more than someone who used 2x4 oak logs vs "certified" 1.5x3.5 pine pieces or didn't place receptacles exactly every 6ft. Finally, if either of the two catches fire, the neighbor is screwed anyway from the radiant heat. If that's a concern, you shouldn't move that close to neighbors (and I thought this went without saying, but that's obviously the scenario most here are thinking about --- off-grid/DIY away from neighbors) Now, to clarify my position, I'm not against codes and standards. I'm against the mafia. AKA the government with their fees, inspectors, and approved (licensed) workers.
@@garyg2 Yep people are dumb enough to not understand why we have codes but somehow they're smart enough to know how to build safely... that is very odd. It's more likely that they're dumb, period. Just like the people who want to abolish police.
Question hopefully someone can help me with. Live in upstate NY where we have cold winters and a considerable amount of snow every year. About to build a 10x16 shed which I plan to insulate and heat for the purpose of using for storage as well as a workshop with saws etc. How long should I expect stained rough cut board and batten to last? The guy I’m building it with is really trying to steer me away from it because he thinks vinyl will hold up better over time.
The proven life expectancy of white pine board and batten is minimum 100 years. Vinyl siding is 25 years max. The proof is in the results. I've reclaimed original unstained board and batten off dozens of 100+ year old barns in northern Michigan, the average wear after 100 years is about 1/4" on a 1 inch thick board on the south side, which is always the worst side. Vinyl on the other hand requires constant washing, the color fades drastically, and it becomes brittle in the UV light. The rumor that vinyl is maintenance free and long lasting is just clever marketing by the companies that sell vinyl siding. I actually made a whole video on this very subject. czcams.com/video/CiL8NbMQQ7g/video.html
BarnGeek thanks for the response. Very informative videos. My concern is that the shed will be almost entirely shaded. My grandmas barn next door is very old board and batten and largely in good shape with the exception of a shaded area that we have replaced boards more recently that I wish. Would cedar be a good option and how well do wood preservatives and stains extend the life of the wood? Rot is what Im worries about since my grandmas siding has rotted in parts
I wanted to build a pole barn. County said the plans had to have an engineers approval. If I submitted plans for a 2 x 4 structure no engineering approval was necessary. I asked them how this was. Their answer was they knew what a framed wall could support. They had no idea what a telephone pole could hold. Plans with an engineers stamp cost big money because the engineer is liable for damages if it turns out the design was inadequate.
It's an unfortunate trend with building departments. They understandably want to shift liability to an engineer, and like you say, when an engineer gives his stamp, he is taking on the responsibility of the structure. And in knowing that engineers over build to a ridicules degree. Because they don't know how well the builder is going to perform, and they assume the lowest quality materials will be used. So you end up with 14"x18" beams to carry a 12' span. That literally happened on a project we were working on. It more than tripled the cost of the material.
I'm building a Timber Frame near Flagstaff Az. The building Dept. didn't know what to do so they required Structural Engineering for every joint! The foundation is so large I could probably build a 10 story Timber Frame on it! Fortunately, my Structural Engineer was amazing and very supportive. When I told him I was building a Timber Frame he said "COOL, I always wanted to design a Timber Frame"! 135 pages later I have my permit for building the shop. Fortunately the calculations can be used when I design my house as the joinery is basically the same. Their concern was that the Timber Frame creates a "point load" under each post on the foundation and thats why they doubled the width of the footings (24" x 30") with number 5 rebar throughout. Its only a 20' x20' structure.
They are also requiring "Graded lumber" I have a Federal Inspector that will grade my lumber for about $400. I'm milling all my lumber this week from Douglas Fir logs that have been drying for two years. Can you tell I'm excited!
You should have said, we’ll what if I use my own stamps? Lol You probably could stamp your own wood and they would have no way of telling wether or not it came from the store.
Here in NC and we're doing exactly as you're saying, we are using the trees we cleared on our property to build our primitive cabin. It is silly, if you're already killing the tree by removing it, repurpose it!! it's all about taxes. If you are creating your own lumber you're not paying sales tax. My opinion anyway. I'll be following you! I'm not sure what the laws are in NC, just that about building a primitive housing and inspecting laws.
You hit the so called nail on the head It's about money and taxes and nothing more God forbid you should be self reliant. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to cheat old uncle sugar out of his hard stolen taxes!!
As long as the rough cut dimensions exceeds what the code requires I cant see the issue 6 x6 post as oppose to 5.5 x5.5 with cracks and warps like you find at box stores I cant see the issue
Like I stated above, there is an issue in regards to the species and the milling of the lumber. Mill a 12"x12" balsa log post and compare that to a 5.5x5.5 douglas fir post and quantify your statement. Different species have different applications. A 12x12" balsa post will bend and snap as well as compress and crush with both dead and live loads compared to a smaller 5.5x5.5 douglas fir post that is graded and stamped.
He said he had popular trees obviously you have to have the correct species I live in Vancouver island surrounded by doug fir and cedar😂now the real test would be 6x6 rough cut vs 5.5x5.5 graded same species
@@mav5204 I would wager that in regards to species and size, a 1/2 inch square difference isn't going to be much of a difference, especially with douglas fir. Poplar on the other hand and even incense cedar have weaker compression and bending strengths and going up in size by a 1/2 inch isn't going to greatly increase the strength of the board or post. What is intriguing though is the difference in compression and bending strengths from same family/species in different parts of the US. I find it intriguing that Easter/Midwest Yellow Pine is comparable to douglas fir (exceeds it in some cases) but massive Western pines (massive and huge) such as Ponderosa and Sugar Pine are weaker. Same can be said of Cedars, Eastern red cedars have better, larger heartwood compared to Western red cedar, incensed cedar, and deodara.
People seem to for some reason think inspection laws came out of thin air from government greed, but actually most of these types of laws were lobbied for by insurance companies and trade unions, not the government. Same as helmet and seatbelt laws. "The man" isn't a group of people, it's more a way of thinking by the types of people that either like controlling people and or just think that whatever way they think is the "correct" way. Really inspection laws are a combination of factors, yes including greed, but also why would anyone insure a house that they don't know how it was built? Why do people always forget that it you financed your house that you don't actually own it and that it's just collateral on a loan? Worthless collateral if neighbor Bob has had his hands on it for a 6 pack.
Gettin Radd just bustin his own comments. #1 IF You are Building it YOURSELF with YOUR Own sawed out lumber, You are NOT getting "financed". Part 2 of the "financed", IF you are buying a pre-existing house, the bank comes & assess's it, if You are building it, they allot ABC amount for step one, they can then "approve" steps one, BEFORE Releasing the funds for step two & so forth, SO if the bank isn't satisfied with "proper" materials &/or construction labor, then, You're Not getting the loan. #2 The 6 pack. There ARE some people in this Country, where the whole town shows up to Help Build a House, Barn, etc. all for JUST being neighborly & the free food because they Don't Drink. #3 And the BEST one; ....inspection laws came out of thin air... When Gettin Radd just said it... "were LOBBIED FOR" by who? OH I see... trade unions wanting to MAKE SURE "They" GET a piece of YOUR Dollar, the insurance company's wanting THE Govt to DO "Their" inspection JOB for them, to offer insurance. YEP according to Radd, ANY House in the USA which was built PRIOR to "inspections" shouldn't be insured!!! Really? My House, which is in excess of 150 Years old & worth... A Bunch.. Shouldn't be insured? Friggin Idiot!! When Radd Grows UP... he Will Learn... "the man" IS a group of people who LOVE to Control People & THINK Their Way is THE ONLY way, You people Know... WHEN "The Govt" gets involved, #1 it ISN'T going to be the BEST & Safest Construction, #2 it WILL Cost YOU two arms & two Legs MORE to build it & #3 WHEN if fails, They WILL say... "oh sorry it was a mistake, we need to change that law, ahh no WE Like the money coming in, so let's make MORE rules, regulations & codes for all the idiots out there who don't Know Better". Last comment: Since Radd mentioned Helmet Laws... FACT. The State of Maryland passed a helmet law "pending" a three year study about Hospital Costs, prior to helmets & during the helmet law. After the three year period, the studies showed Hospital Cost rose a Whopping 35%. Did the Governor (back then, Democrat O'Malley) RESEND the law, as He Promised"? NOPE, HE said... "I like this law & am going to keep it". OH Yeah, Making SURE the Hospital System makes MORE Money so they can give The Govt more too.
With the popularity of "Vintage" these days good luck finding anything rough. It's non existent in my neck of the woods(Oklahoma) except for any high prices. Regulations are a double edges sword for sure.
they will come tear your home down! #being libertarian Who tells the bird which twigs to build a nest with Building your shelter is a God Given Right And Natural Law Judge The Traitors
Try parking a travel trailer or motor home inside of the barn. Build an "office" in a back corner somewhere with amenities, insulation, water, sewer, plumbing, heat, electric, stove, microwave, refrigerator, cable, Wi-Fi. It's an office/ garage / barn
In 1987 I went on a fly in deer hunt in central Idaho. During that hunt I came across a barn, it was huge. All built from logs that had two side hewn with an ax or adz. There were no other buildings around it and it was on NF land, more than 50 miles to the nearest dirt road and close to 100 miles to the nearest town. I spent a couple hours there looking it over and wondering how long it had been there, the roof was still in pretty good condition and the shingles were over an inch thick at the base. There were a couple of old apple trees and a rock cellar near by. I have not returned to that place, but I do look it up on Google Earth every year, it still stands as of the last photo of the area. I will not divulge its location for obvious reasons. VANDALS.
but imagine how many barns were built at the same time that was, and how few of them are still standing. probably less than 1%. just because a small % of people did it right doesn't matter, the large % of idiot humans who didn't do it right in the past is why we have codes.
@@garyg2 Right, put a gun to my head, infringe on my liberty, and take my money to ensure stupid people can stay stupid. Thanks for your continued improvement to society.
And you'd likely be in prison if you were to use it.. luckily you're all talk no bite, you know how many people I met that claim they'd have no problem killing another human being for petty things but have never actually done it? Hm..
wonder how mush it would cost to have a copy of that certification stamp made , if its that hard to see a difference in store bought and home sawn timber the inspector shouldnt be able to see it either , if youre sawing a lot of lumber it should make up the extra cost of the stamp in no time flat
The point is you shouldn't have to pretend to comply, to build with your own home sawn lumber. You should be able to use it and not be worried that you did something illegal.
Subject: Ungraded Lumber Date: October 1, 2007 Code: 2006 Residential Code Section: R602.1 Question: Can ungraded lumber be used if lumber is cut from the homeowner's site? Answer: Yes, as an alternate material and method according to Section 105 of the 2006 Administrative Code. Ungraded, unstamped lumber may be used for the construction of a house or accessory building on the owner's land if: The timber is cut from the owner's land. The structure shall be occupied by the owner or a member of his immediate family for a period of at least one year after the Certificate of Occupancy is issued. The lumber shall meet the 19% moisture content requirement at the time of construction. The lumber must be air dried for 90 days or kiln dried. The homeowner contacts the local building inspection department before the timber is cut to verify the source and use of the timber. Last edited: Apr 17, 2014 I found this when I was looking on using wood from your own property in North Carolina. Good to know, since my friends and I are planning on using the wood on their place to build something for them to enjoy out of wood they (well, I cut) take down.
I assume you are speaking of the plants and animals that live on the land when a homesteader arrives. If so, I understand the sentiment. You would think the best thing for wild animal habitat would be to leave nature to do it's own thing, and protect it from things like forest fires, and disease, right? Well, that is actually wrong. In fact it is probably one of the worst things you can do for plant and animal habitat. Without either the destructive force of forest fires, or the destructive force of man with chainsaw, or plow, nature would turn into a food and habitat desert, full of very old trees. These old trees choke out new growth, and that keeps the food up where only birds and squirrels can get to it. It keeps the sunlight off the forest floor and starves any bushes or young trees of sunlight. Deer and rabbits start to starve, as do the predators that depend on those animals for prey. The truth is that the forest needs man to come in and be a little destructive so that more species can grow and live. Even the native Americans destroyed vast amounts of forest with fire to provide habitat for the animals they hunted.
It is all about insurance lobby. They do not want to pay out, so they want structures built with the liability put on someone else. If it stamped and the structure falls down or has mildew from too much moisture content, They can put the liability on who graded the lumber. The lumber you buy at store is not even kiln dries properly because of quantity (profit) not quality. The wood in stores is garbage. There is no freedom in this country anymore.
First of all no one is gonna tell me what I can build my home out of if I own the land!! Second of all if the area, state or whatever I was living in was like that I would pack up and leave! It amazes me how much power people have let the tyrant so called leaders have and get away with!! The electric company where I lived tried some of that rule nonsense when I built my new home and I called their bluff.
Only problem I have with this is your down playing lumber graders careers like it’s super easy and not necessary. I agree with everything else, should be able to do whatever u want with your own stuff. As a grader I can tell u we are quite necessary for this whole industry. Need to know all the rules for all the species down to the wording in the national rule book. Also, One main factor is it keeps mills honest and not pawning off crap, or even good from great. If you run the numbers for pricing vs production, someone could take huge advantages of someone that doesn’t grade there lumber. Example, 1000 bf of 1com boards is say $1000 and 1000 bf for FAS is $1400. Distinction from these grades sometimes is very close. Could be 1 cutting unit off from fas. But if you don’t grade your lumber how would u know. If I sent u 8000 bf of 1com for fas being close cuts, I just jacked u for $3200 and u wouldn’t notice. Can happen that way buying or selling so we are pretty crucial. Don’t be playing off this career as if it’s a joke. it’s a vital part of the ENTIRE industry.
I understand the frustration with codes, but I bet you are happy when you buy a house built to code and know that it wasn't framed with pallet wood and wired with speaker wire. Also it really depends on where you live if you cannot build with graded lumber. Some cities and counties require it and some allow you to build with your own materials.
I hope there aren't too many viewers who believe the nonsense ignorance you put out. This video got a lot of viewers so just think of all the people you may have misinformed. Lumber is graded and stamped to make sure the user isn't ripped off and has the right strength, species and specs for the job it is going to do. You go on and on with nuts logic. If this were my video I would delete it and make one with correct information.
Bob Meyers would have NEVER made it back in the day "prior to" the grading of wood BECAUSE there are millions of homes built & STILL standing/livable PRIOR to ANY stamps, codes, etc. (I live in one...150+ years old!!!).Also, apparently Bob Meyers is the "type" of person, who's been "Bred" to be ignorant & why I say this? He has to RELY on Someone Else to TELL Him what will work & won't work. He has to rely on someone who, "got's them", some of that "book learning" education who THINKS "They" know what's the right strength, species & those most important, specs... for the job. I guess Bob Meyers needs Home Depot to TELL him "which" species to BUY... as IF there aren't SEVERAL species of trees to use for building purposes. And don't you like His term "strength", when pine is used a lot for studs, pine, fir, etc. ALL are of the weaker species of trees BUT Grow rapidly therefore used AND are the Cheaper of species out there. Same as OSB used in today's building verses plywood, both are code approved but, which is Cheaper? I don't agree with all this guy talks about in his video, but Bobby's comments TELL YOU just how ignorant Bobby is.
That word doesn't mean what you think it means. The capitalists passed the codes to force you to pay a corporation so millionaires (or billionaires) become richer.
oh stop acting like it's some big conspiracy that goes back 100 years. you make it sound so simple, oh just watch a youtube video, oh just take a 3 hour class. just because you are good at that and capable doesn't mean everyone else is. there would be idiots who aren't good at it choosing the wrong materials and constructing it in the wrong way that puts themselves and others in danger. even look at modern contractors. a licensed contractor can have all the proper tools and materials and the ability to do a job to code, and still do a shitty job that doesn't meet the code. it's not just about what you want to do with your own home. we shouldn't have to cut out exceptions in the laws because you want to do something specific. and it's not like it only affects you because you live in that house. what if an idiot does it wrong and a firefighter is trying to get into your burning house to save your life and dies because the idiot contractor messed up. we don't write laws that say "oh because "BarnGeek" seems to know what he's doing it's cool that everybody does". humans are idiots. imagine if 100 people had to choose and cut their own lumber and build their own structures. i'd be shocked if even 10% of them could make it "safe" let alone up to code. if someone buys that house, they should be able to assume with a fair degree of certainty that whatever is behind the walls and under the floors is safe. if you or i rent a house, we need to be able to assume with a reasonable degree of certainty that whatever is behind the walls and under the floors is safe. think about fire codes. you can act like it's your own "homestead" all you want, but when your failure to comply with reasonable codes causes a fire that spreads to the next house or the next town and destroys 100 homes it's easier to see why we have codes.
A wise old farmer told me that a barn will pay for a house way faster than a house will pay for a barn.
Who said that? :)
@@annasophia7977 I literally said a wise old farmer, how would his name benefit you at all?
@@otallono lol
@@annasophia7977 A Wise Man :)
Building code won't let you use rough lumber ? Get yourself a 'native species' law passed. Several States have them, I wrote the one for Tennessee and got my local legislator to sponsor it. Took 2 years to get it passed, but NOW in Tennessee, you can use the lumber off your place to build your house. Go forth and do likewise.
How does a person go about doing that? I would love to see one passed here in Michigan! Last I knew the only state that had one was Wisconsin. I'm glad to hear that TN has one now, and mega kudos to you for making that happen! I'm very interested in any advise you might have. Also you said several states, is there a list of these states listed somewhere online?
New Hampshire and New York have them. Don't know about a list, I simply did a web search and found those.
As for how to, I simply went to my State Representative and explained the situation....that hundreds of thousands of houses across Tennessee were built with sawmill lumber because there was no code, and I can't find any that fell down as a result. As long as the homeowner is willing to accept the responsibility of using it, why should the State care ? Stupid to be living in the middle of a heavily forested State with a large forestry industry AND BE IMPORTING CRAP LUMBER from the west coast and Canada.
Edit: BTW, really stress that part about your local forest industry......legislators love to be doing stuff for the economy in their State versus imports....this gives them an excuse. One of the things that helped put this over the top was getting the State forester involved in the process.
He agreed, as did every member of the committee that it had to come out of (I emailed or called all of them.....most were totally ignorant of the code requirements, and when informed, said "well that's dumb".
I wrote the law out in my form, my Rep had it re-written to conform to normal 'law' language, and off we went. It really is NOT that hard to do.
Thank You, I read the TN law, and I like that one the best. Mind if I use that as a model for Michigan? I am going to call my state rep on Monday. Also I am going to compile a list of states who have these laws for the website. If you can think of anymore please let me know.
MR. Barngeek I really enjoy your channel. Your stand on this video helped me to decide to subscribe to your channel! greetings from from KENTUCKY
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Ironically, a lot of the studs and 2x6's you find at lowes are not very good quality at all.
Agreed my builder asked for better wood I just ordered from lowes and quality was so terrible he couldn't use half of it.
Over the years I've had some spirited discussions with building inspectors on this issue. I was born and raised in New Orleans where most of the homes were built long before lumber grading. Amazingly, most are still standing with many over 200 years old! Imagine that!😅
Is all about the money 💰
Lumber from big box stores is terrible. I’m a contractor and I have to order 12-20% more then I need because you get junk guaranteed even graded lumber.
Purchased a home in NE GA with only 2 acres. The lot was overgrown with mature oak (red and white), viginia pine, and birch. Removed 40 trees and we ended up with a truckload of 13-14 ft straight sections. Sent to a local sawmill and had it cut into 1x, 2x, 4x lumber. Built a two story shed, 12x16 covered BBQ gazebo, multiple covered firewood sheds for the crooked logs split into firewood. Cost me $5000 to cut down the trees and $1200 for milling.
@Templar think about it for 1 minute. These were towering red oak and pine that required climbing to the top and removing parts at a time to prevent damage to the house and other structures.
Very nice discussion! Just bought a LT35 sawmill and you have helped me avoid problems down the road.
Folks who have both the skills and equipment to harvest their own, process their own and build or make their own really have an advantage. I've never done it, but I would imagine it's deeply satisfying to see a barn or even just a shed go up with your own hands knowing you took it from tree to finished project all on your own.
Nuancolar it would be if it wasn't for the government telling you you can't.
yep. One of the uglier sides of government, and why it should be kept small and out of people's personal lives.
@@nuancolar7304 Devils advocate: It's about safety and strength of the lumber.. but as he said in the video you don't have to be Warner Von Braun to judge a piece of lumber.
I don't see why you can't get a quick day class or few hour class cert and paperwork to judge lumber.
most old barns die of neglect, collapse because no one fixed and repaired them. No simple maintenance.
Hi, I'm here from the Government, I'm here to help you !!!!!!
I really appreciate the value of the information you've shared, thanks for explaining and showing how important it is to educate yourself on what's meaningful in your life... I for one appreciate you taking the time to educate me on what I should do with my family land.
My pleasure!
I’ve found sawmills that will cut and grade my lumber in the past.
The inability, or unwillingness for barn owners to preserve these treasures, is in my opinion, a crime against true craftsmanship, and our history.
I like the way you think. Im working on building up a property and plan on using as much material from the property and local labor as possible. I Currently building a cabin in the woods. Great vedio.
You can bypass your local building inspector when building a house.. If you hire a engineering firm to draw your blueprints and they give you a material list plus they will do the inspections of the house at different steps of construction. You have just taken the local building inspector out of the picture.. Your local building inspector is not a engineer, he was hired by the county to do a job like a bylaw officer... All commercial building are inspected by a engineering firm because your local building can be jo blow off the street that his uncle works for the county or town or whatever and got him the job.. They are not qualified to inspect anything more then a residential house.. If you get a engineering firm to do this then you are taking your house build to a level above the local building inspector level.. Be warned, your local inspector will hate you for this and he will most likely try to cause trouble...
thanks for making this video, I have some huge logs on my land and I have no idea how to use them......please make more videos like this
the key to longevity of any building be it a barn or a house is that the roof overhangs far enough to get the water away from the base of the building. wall and post rot is usually what does in most old barns. the first step in determining how much overhang is needed is go around the area you're settling in and take a good hard gander at other barns and houses without rain gutters on them and see how much backsplash there is at the base of the walls; the more there is, the more overhang is needed.
also snow accumulation at the end of winter will tell you how much overhang is needed should you be in an area with copious snowfall.
and that's why we have codes, because people who don't have that experience end up going and doing it themselves and screw it up.
@@garyg2 We don't need babysitters. You learn and move on.
I Appreciate this. I own 3 acres on agricultural land. I do not need permits as I'm told in Florida. I bought trusses from someone on the cheap and bought my own sawmill. Already dropped 7 tall water oaks? I plan on building soon and hope I have no issues.
I've never seen an inspector look for lumber stamps. They "assume" and i have found it is better to ask for forgiveness than permission. A milled 2x4, 2x6, 4x4...looks exactly the same as the big box stores. Ijs...😁👍
This
Thanks Man. Hope you are well.
I am doing my research on homesteading and building my own home. Its really frustrating with all these road blocks. There has to be a way all of the homesteaders come together and put an end to this. And thanks for the info.
My daughter is running into the frustrations of building and dealing with codes. Her thought is "if my house falls on me it is my problem not the county's." So we had to use graded 1 1/2 X 3 1/2s instead of rough 2x4s. Which is stronger?
T K ,
In many if not most cases you'll find that the laws, ordinances, regulations codes , were put into place to protect the commercial producer. NOT the consumer ! With codes in place , now one needs to be a licensed plumber, electrician, carpenter, etc.to do the work . The government of course charges a fee for the licenses. And of course there must be a government inspector for each kind of work. Everyone makes some money . The only one that is unhappy is the consumer that is doing the paying .
An example is when I bought my house. I have a well so the county required that I have a water test done by a county inspector . The water test was never done. But, the Democrat County government was happy as long as they had my $250.00 ! Yes, of course , the fee had to be paid in advance !
I'm not sure why why we have developed a society where we pay people to hassle us in the name of our "safety." In some other arguments on you-tube it is all "code says" not what will work or actually makes sense. I'm guessing that most inspectors have never built anything. My father says "those that can do and those that can't do become inspectors." Thomas Jefferson said that if we give up our rights for our safety we will lose both and gain neither.
A great guy giving a great monologue on lumber, building trades, capitalism crony capitalism probably a good common sense neighbor.
Andrew Stergiou ,
I could just bare hear the man so I gave up watching . So I did not hear what he had to say about capitalism. I think that you are barking up the wrong tree.
It is quite popular o blame capitalism for many of societies ills. Which is very often very far from the actual truth.
Much of this stuff got started way back during the late 1800's in New York City. Few people realize that N.Y.C. has been controlled by the Democrats since that time. At that time in N.Y.C. if you wanted to do anything public you had to have permission from Tammany Hall which was the headquarters of the Democrat Party. To reduce competition for work a few of the tradesmen
went to Tammany Hall and for a sizable donation the Democrats agree to begin licensing of tradesmen. Now , you could not work without being licensed. At least not openly. ( it 's still that way today. ) And being licensed , they built everything to their own ( secret ) code. Of course now the work had to be inspected by a government (Democrat ) inspector. This way the government ( the Democrats ) gets a piece of the building cost. Now , you may be a whizbang plumber , but , if you are not licensed , the government inspector is not going to inspect your work. It may be your own house and you may have built better than code but you may have to hire a licensed plumber to tear out your work and rebuild to the lower code standards. I have seen it happen. It happened to me with the sunroom that I built onto my house. I was not a licensed carpenter so it had to be demolished and rebuilt by a licensed carpenter if I still wanted to have a sunroom. It wasn't built to code by a licensed carpenter ! And yet I had a licensed carpenter tell me that he had never seen walls so plumb or all four corners so square. But, I live in a Democrat run state , in a Democrat run county , in a Democrat run city. At one point it was quietly suggested that there may be a way to save my sunroom if an appropriate donation was made to the County Democrat Committee .
But I refuse to kowtow in that manner. I demolished the sunroom myself , sold the materials and nearly broke even. And no sunroom. You see , to have a licensed carpenter build it for me would have cost me nearly $10,000.00 more than doing it myself.
It's the Socialists that are doing it to us . Not the Capitalists. Ah , the Republicans are the party of the rich . Really ? President Trump is the only Republican billionaire that I know of . Few have noticed that every other billionaire that you have heard of is a Democrat ! Of the CEO's of those nasty , powerful corporations that we love to hate , 72% of them are Democrats !
We've been barking up the wrong tree folks. And the tree is nearly ready to fall upon us.
@@donaldmiller8629 I think you and Andrew are on the same page and that's what he meant by crony capitalism.
It's funny to hear this dudes wisdom. I literally was just talking to my wife about this very thing
My house was built with green wood a long time ago.
Awsome, I agree 1001 %
ai live in Georgia and I have my own sawmill and I will byuld ANYthing I want on my own land I pay taxes on exery year. Bad move for an inspector to come by and say anything except good job!
Very nice rambling thoughts..I loved the video..thank you..could you do a video of how to properly fasten board and batten green wood siding
will do, I ave to put some up in the next couple weeks and I will film it then. I do go over it a bit in one of my other videos...
here is that video.. czcams.com/video/zr9TPAyy-9k/video.html
Totally agree with your rant brother I'm building a farmhouse in the city in Indianapolis!
A facet of home construction/homesteading that I never considered. Pardon the cliche statement but you made a good point regarding the nature of "The Man" just trying to stick it to us.
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You had to do that because some politician is most likely in the back pocket of these people that want to make sure you have to buy their crappy product.
The ones that pay for the law changes are the ones with the crappiest lumber.
Your rant is soooo justified. It's sad to say but we no longer live in the land of the free. This country now belongs to the politicians
and the rich. Today's attitude seems to be to through out all the ideas and things that made this country great. My dad built the house I grew up in in the 50's with mostly rough cut lumber from our farm and sawn on the sawmill owned by my grandfather. My dad still lives is that house and it's still in as good a shape as it was when it was first built. The whole situation makes you wonder why it is that some people seem to live for the purpose of oppressing others. Take heart in the end God will prevale.
AS a certified lumber grader the course was 150 hours. After that, I trained for 6 months on the grading line to achieve 98% accuracy and was recertified monthly thereafter. Wane, stain, and knots is only part of the skill. 50% of the cuts made on these backyard mills can't be used as structural lumber. That said, It's more economical to use your own lumber but you'll need to use all the techniques to account for the drying process of green lumber.
I can cut better grade lumber off my property any day of the week.. Lumber grading and building codes did stop me from building with it, until I made great friends with a structural engineer, who will sign off on any job I do. Im not saying I can use every stick but 90 percent is as good or better than any big box store.
Tried getting my local state reps submit a bill that landowners could use their wood thats cut on their property to build whatever they want. Has to be built to code without any grading but it's too much money to be made ripping off the poor man.
This youtuber knows exactly what I mean, along with anyone else trying to build their own home.
I truly wish ppl would research this before buying warped 2x4's from Lowes when they can cut straight timber with a tight grain and save money. Personally had I never met my friend I'd still build. I know of a couple sawmill operators who made there own grading stamp and they built homes thatll last when we're all gone!
I wanted to mill my own lumber, 3 regulatory agencies will shut you down fast in my state, $7k in fines and you have to have sales to get a license......but my state also allows kids to ride motorcycles with no helmet and flip flops but will make your life hell for not wearing a seat belt.....none of it's common sense.
The Verdant, what state are you in?
@@BrianStocking - was Florida.
When you said kids and no helmets and flip flops, I thought Florida. I'm in Branford Fl. That's North Central, Suwannee County. I've got a small sawmill operation and I sell a lot of wood on Craigslist. They don't require much if you want to own a business and work. But that's going to differ from county to county. I know in St. Augustine (St. Johns County) you need a permit just to change the carpet in your house.
This video starts off with his observation of people migrating to the country. There's no wonder why.
All you have to do is make a stamp the same as there and clean the lumber up the same way and stamp it. They don't look that close.
You have a four sided planer that will also round the corners ? I don't.
Most 100 year plus houses still standing today were built with unstamped lumber or the interference of government bureaucrats. They want under their boot. Paying taxes and interest on mortgages.
How bout putting solar panel up and your local power company regulates it. Makes you still pay them a service rate on your own solar setup
only if you want to connect to their grid. that's a private company. has nothing to do with public regs or codes. if you want it just powering yourself and be off the grid they can't charge you.
@@garyg2 There are many areas, for instance in both Utah where I moved from, and Washington where I moved to, in which the regulations specifically state that you can't have solar power without being connected to the power grid. Power companies aren't private companies, they're regulated utility providers, and have some for of public utility department govening them. If you build a solar system without anybody knowing, and don't connect it, that's one thing, just don't get caught during an inspection of some form.
I have seen homes built out of every grade of lumber there is. The only codes I've ever seen enforced is when a owner/builder
takes too long to frame their house and the lumber is too seasoned. I've never seen approved lumber only.
Lumber is graded in the mill when it's processed . The only time an inspector comes in to check a grade stamp is when a mill tries to pass off inferior lumber or a different species .
Seriously brother, you could do voice-overs for Kurt Russell.
You have it down... cadence, tone , accent etc. very cool
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Thanks! I love Kurt Russell
Harvest and use your timber in a state that does not require building inspections.
Just stamp your own lumber
The inspectors don't know the diff
You can build a house out of the crap from Home Depot... A grade 3 they call grade 2. If I use my own sawmill and cut knot free grade one boards, I have to have an engineer write a letter and say it is equal or better. ABSOLUTELY STUPID. I can build small pole barn with sawmill lumber and I can use it for flooring, cabinets, or other non-structural lumber.
let's assume for a minute that you yourself are capable of doing what you say. humans are idiots. imagine 100 people trying to select the trees, process it and build structures with it. without codes, how many of them would succeed in building a safe structure? my bet is less than 10%. you can scream to high heaven all you want, but a bunch of stupid people in the past who caused property damage, injuries & deaths because they didn't know how to do it right proved the need for these types of codes.
@@garyg2 So why stop Darwinism?
@@sasquatch2316, if people's actions only affected themselves we could just let it be, but that's not how the world works, so don't pretend it does work like that
but when people's stupidity puts others at risk, it's not ok. if a house only falls on the person who built it, i personally don't care. but police, fire, ems would still respond and we pay for all of that
and when that house falls on that person's family, or unsuspecting guests, it's in the govt's interest to protect citizens
when EMT's come in to rescue someone who had a heart attack, and their lives get put in danger cuz of said idiot, that's not ok
and when that idiot does something stupid that causes a fire that wipes thru a town and kills dozens of ppl and destroys dozens of homes, that's not ok
nobody is pretending we can eliminate any of that 100%, but nothing is 100%, codes do reduce those kinds of incidents, save lives and money
do you want your house burned down and your family burned alive because of your dumb neighbor? i think not. me neither.
we do not live in a bubble where our actions only affect ourselves, so stop the dumb petulant child act
@@garyg2 And that's why I'm fine with commercial inspections, but this is a man's land we're talking about. As for your examples, a roof isn't going to collapse all because someone is having a heart attack, plus they can have a heart attack in a shed, a trench, or any unsafe area. Also, building codes help prevent fire spread and fire danger, but it's really bad habits and the fuel load that's going to cause a fire. A house perfectly up to code that someone is a hoarder in, and which has overloaded receptacles is going to catch and spread fire a lot more than someone who used 2x4 oak logs vs "certified" 1.5x3.5 pine pieces or didn't place receptacles exactly every 6ft. Finally, if either of the two catches fire, the neighbor is screwed anyway from the radiant heat. If that's a concern, you shouldn't move that close to neighbors (and I thought this went without saying, but that's obviously the scenario most here are thinking about --- off-grid/DIY away from neighbors)
Now, to clarify my position, I'm not against codes and standards. I'm against the mafia. AKA the government with their fees, inspectors, and approved (licensed) workers.
@@garyg2 Yep people are dumb enough to not understand why we have codes but somehow they're smart enough to know how to build safely... that is very odd. It's more likely that they're dumb, period. Just like the people who want to abolish police.
Question hopefully someone can help me with. Live in upstate NY where we have cold winters and a considerable amount of snow every year. About to build a 10x16 shed which I plan to insulate and heat for the purpose of using for storage as well as a workshop with saws etc. How long should I expect stained rough cut board and batten to last? The guy I’m building it with is really trying to steer me away from it because he thinks vinyl will hold up better over time.
The proven life expectancy of white pine board and batten is minimum 100 years. Vinyl siding is 25 years max.
The proof is in the results. I've reclaimed original unstained board and batten off dozens of 100+ year old barns in northern Michigan, the average wear after 100 years is about 1/4" on a 1 inch thick board on the south side, which is always the worst side.
Vinyl on the other hand requires constant washing, the color fades drastically, and it becomes brittle in the UV light.
The rumor that vinyl is maintenance free and long lasting is just clever marketing by the companies that sell vinyl siding.
I actually made a whole video on this very subject. czcams.com/video/CiL8NbMQQ7g/video.html
BarnGeek thanks for the response. Very informative videos. My concern is that the shed will be almost entirely shaded. My grandmas barn next door is very old board and batten and largely in good shape with the exception of a shaded area that we have replaced boards more recently that I wish. Would cedar be a good option and how well do wood preservatives and stains extend the life of the wood? Rot is what Im worries about since my grandmas siding has rotted in parts
I wanted to build a pole barn. County said the plans had to have an engineers approval. If I submitted plans for a 2 x 4 structure no engineering approval was necessary. I asked them how this was. Their answer was they knew what a framed wall could support. They had no idea what a telephone pole could hold.
Plans with an engineers stamp cost big money because the engineer is liable for damages if it turns out the design was inadequate.
It's an unfortunate trend with building departments. They understandably want to shift liability to an engineer, and like you say, when an engineer gives his stamp, he is taking on the responsibility of the structure. And in knowing that engineers over build to a ridicules degree. Because they don't know how well the builder is going to perform, and they assume the lowest quality materials will be used. So you end up with 14"x18" beams to carry a 12' span. That literally happened on a project we were working on. It more than tripled the cost of the material.
huh? Dude a lamaniated 2x10x3 can carry a 14 ft span....16 in some regions
But if you build with stamped lumber the buildings code people are never liable even if they approve it.
I'm building a Timber Frame near Flagstaff Az. The building Dept. didn't know what to do so they required Structural Engineering for every joint! The foundation is so large I could probably build a 10 story Timber Frame on it! Fortunately, my Structural Engineer was amazing and very supportive. When I told him I was building a Timber Frame he said "COOL, I always wanted to design a Timber Frame"! 135 pages later I have my permit for building the shop. Fortunately the calculations can be used when I design my house as the joinery is basically the same. Their concern was that the Timber Frame creates a "point load" under each post on the foundation and thats why they doubled the width of the footings (24" x 30") with number 5 rebar throughout. Its only a 20' x20' structure.
They are also requiring "Graded lumber" I have a Federal Inspector that will grade my lumber for about $400. I'm milling all my lumber this week from Douglas Fir logs that have been drying for two years. Can you tell I'm excited!
You should have said, we’ll what if I use my own stamps? Lol
You probably could stamp your own wood and they would have no way of telling wether or not it came from the store.
Here in NC and we're doing exactly as you're saying, we are using the trees we cleared on our property to build our primitive cabin. It is silly, if you're already killing the tree by removing it, repurpose it!! it's all about taxes. If you are creating your own lumber you're not paying sales tax. My opinion anyway. I'll be following you! I'm not sure what the laws are in NC, just that about building a primitive housing and inspecting laws.
You hit the so called nail on the head
It's about money and taxes and nothing more God forbid you should be self reliant. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to cheat old uncle sugar out of his hard stolen taxes!!
@@mikestrashcan63mc seriously what would people like Joe Biden do without our tax money supporting them for their entire lives
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I know right I don't think uncle Joey has any real job skills, just like most politicians 🤔
As long as the rough cut dimensions exceeds what the code requires I cant see the issue 6 x6 post as oppose to 5.5 x5.5 with cracks and warps like you find at box stores I cant see the issue
Like I stated above, there is an issue in regards to the species and the milling of the lumber. Mill a 12"x12" balsa log post and compare that to a 5.5x5.5 douglas fir post and quantify your statement. Different species have different applications. A 12x12" balsa post will bend and snap as well as compress and crush with both dead and live loads compared to a smaller 5.5x5.5 douglas fir post that is graded and stamped.
He said he had popular trees obviously you have to have the correct species I live in Vancouver island surrounded by doug fir and cedar😂now the real test would be 6x6 rough cut vs 5.5x5.5 graded same species
@@mav5204 I would wager that in regards to species and size, a 1/2 inch square difference isn't going to be much of a difference, especially with douglas fir. Poplar on the other hand and even incense cedar have weaker compression and bending strengths and going up in size by a 1/2 inch isn't going to greatly increase the strength of the board or post. What is intriguing though is the difference in compression and bending strengths from same family/species in different parts of the US. I find it intriguing that Easter/Midwest Yellow Pine is comparable to douglas fir (exceeds it in some cases) but massive Western pines (massive and huge) such as Ponderosa and Sugar Pine are weaker. Same can be said of Cedars, Eastern red cedars have better, larger heartwood compared to Western red cedar, incensed cedar, and deodara.
@@jeffbaca8115 I think it dependant on growth rate too I have old growth Douglas fir house 1914 the wood wont take a nail
People seem to for some reason think inspection laws came out of thin air from government greed, but actually most of these types of laws were lobbied for by insurance companies and trade unions, not the government. Same as helmet and seatbelt laws. "The man" isn't a group of people, it's more a way of thinking by the types of people that either like controlling people and or just think that whatever way they think is the "correct" way. Really inspection laws are a combination of factors, yes including greed, but also why would anyone insure a house that they don't know how it was built? Why do people always forget that it you financed your house that you don't actually own it and that it's just collateral on a loan? Worthless collateral if neighbor Bob has had his hands on it for a 6 pack.
Gettin Radd just bustin his own comments. #1 IF You are Building it YOURSELF with YOUR Own sawed out lumber, You are NOT getting "financed". Part 2 of the "financed", IF you are buying a pre-existing house, the bank comes & assess's it, if You are building it, they allot ABC amount for step one, they can then "approve" steps one, BEFORE Releasing the funds for step two & so forth, SO if the bank isn't satisfied with "proper" materials &/or construction labor, then, You're Not getting the loan. #2 The 6 pack. There ARE some people in this Country, where the whole town shows up to Help Build a House, Barn, etc. all for JUST being neighborly & the free food because they Don't Drink. #3 And the BEST one; ....inspection laws came out of thin air... When Gettin Radd just said it... "were LOBBIED FOR" by who? OH I see... trade unions wanting to MAKE SURE "They" GET a piece of YOUR Dollar, the insurance company's wanting THE Govt to DO "Their" inspection JOB for them, to offer insurance. YEP according to Radd, ANY House in the USA which was built PRIOR to "inspections" shouldn't be insured!!! Really? My House, which is in excess of 150 Years old & worth... A Bunch.. Shouldn't be insured? Friggin Idiot!! When Radd Grows UP... he Will Learn... "the man" IS a group of people who LOVE to Control People & THINK Their Way is THE ONLY way, You people Know... WHEN "The Govt" gets involved, #1 it ISN'T going to be the BEST & Safest Construction, #2 it WILL Cost YOU two arms & two Legs MORE to build it & #3 WHEN if fails, They WILL say... "oh sorry it was a mistake, we need to change that law, ahh no WE Like the money coming in, so let's make MORE rules, regulations & codes for all the idiots out there who don't Know Better". Last comment: Since Radd mentioned Helmet Laws... FACT. The State of Maryland passed a helmet law "pending" a three year study about Hospital Costs, prior to helmets & during the helmet law. After the three year period, the studies showed Hospital Cost rose a Whopping 35%. Did the Governor (back then, Democrat O'Malley) RESEND the law, as He Promised"? NOPE, HE said... "I like this law & am going to keep it". OH Yeah, Making SURE the Hospital System makes MORE Money so they can give The Govt more too.
With the popularity of "Vintage" these days good luck finding anything rough. It's non existent in my neck of the woods(Oklahoma) except for any high prices. Regulations are a double edges sword for sure.
Im still going to build my home out of rough lumber
So.... what are the consequences of doing everything under the table? Asking for a friend.
they will come tear your home down! #being libertarian
Who tells the bird which twigs to build a nest with
Building your shelter is a God Given Right And Natural Law
Judge The Traitors
I just built a deck out of rough cut I’ll build a house with too . Dare them to even say something. Shoot thier asses as the run back out the driveway
Amen to that.
Good point. But listening to this guy is the equivalent of watching paint dry!
First thing I do is take a dump from the long trip
Get to it man
How much for a 40x60 barn that can be lived in?
Joy MerryPrepper $500
Try parking a travel trailer or motor home inside of the barn. Build an "office" in a back corner somewhere with amenities, insulation, water, sewer, plumbing, heat, electric, stove, microwave, refrigerator, cable, Wi-Fi. It's an office/ garage / barn
In 1987 I went on a fly in deer hunt in central Idaho. During that hunt I came across a barn, it was huge. All built from logs that had two side hewn with an ax or adz. There were no other buildings around it and it was on NF land, more than 50 miles to the nearest dirt road and close to 100 miles to the nearest town. I spent a couple hours there looking it over and wondering how long it had been there, the roof was still in pretty good condition and the shingles were over an inch thick at the base. There were a couple of old apple trees and a rock cellar near by. I have not returned to that place, but I do look it up on Google Earth every year, it still stands as of the last photo of the area. I will not divulge its location for obvious reasons. VANDALS.
but imagine how many barns were built at the same time that was, and how few of them are still standing. probably less than 1%. just because a small % of people did it right doesn't matter, the large % of idiot humans who didn't do it right in the past is why we have codes.
@@garyg2 Right, put a gun to my head, infringe on my liberty, and take my money to ensure stupid people can stay stupid. Thanks for your continued improvement to society.
@@sasquatch2316, i posted a perfectly rational & respectful response, and here you go acting like a whiny little child. grow up.
@@garyg2 I'm just saying it as it is, even if that's harsh.
Hey, great vid.
This guy is in his feelings...
If some one would come on my property and tell me I could use my own lumber I would be looking for my shotgun.
And you'd likely be in prison if you were to use it.. luckily you're all talk no bite, you know how many people I met that claim they'd have no problem killing another human being for petty things but have never actually done it? Hm..
@@otallono It's a figure of speech guy, relax. Now back to Twitter with you.
wonder how mush it would cost to have a copy of that certification stamp made , if its that hard to see a difference in store bought and home sawn timber the inspector shouldnt be able to see it either , if youre sawing a lot of lumber it should make up the extra cost of the stamp in no time flat
The point is you shouldn't have to pretend to comply, to build with your own home sawn lumber. You should be able to use it and not be worried that you did something illegal.
watahyahknow why not build a deep pit out back and yell THIS-IS-SPARTA! while kicking the inspector into the hole.
still think faking the lumber intoo aproved lumber be enough to fool the inspector and noone be the wizer
watahyahknow so.....no to the Sparta idea I guess....:(
Subject: Ungraded Lumber
Date: October 1, 2007
Code: 2006 Residential Code
Section: R602.1
Question: Can ungraded lumber be used if lumber is cut from the homeowner's site?
Answer: Yes, as an alternate material and method according to Section 105 of the 2006 Administrative Code. Ungraded, unstamped lumber may be used for the construction of a house or accessory building on the owner's land if:
The timber is cut from the owner's land.
The structure shall be occupied by the owner or a member of his immediate family for a period of at least one year after the Certificate of Occupancy is issued.
The lumber shall meet the 19% moisture content requirement at the time of construction. The lumber must be air dried for 90 days or kiln dried.
The homeowner contacts the local building inspection department before the timber is cut to verify the source and use of the timber.
Last edited: Apr 17, 2014
I found this when I was looking on using wood from your own property in North Carolina. Good to know, since my friends and I are planning on using the wood on their place to build something for them to enjoy out of wood they (well, I cut) take down.
We use to get the wood from the property we arebuilding on... Yeah, dude. Thats because Im surrounded by CORN FIRLDS!!! Got no choice!
what you are not taking in to account is that untamed land was somebody's home.
I assume you are speaking of the plants and animals that live on the land when a homesteader arrives. If so, I understand the sentiment. You would think the best thing for wild animal habitat would be to leave nature to do it's own thing, and protect it from things like forest fires, and disease, right?
Well, that is actually wrong.
In fact it is probably one of the worst things you can do for plant and animal habitat. Without either the destructive force of forest fires, or the destructive force of man with chainsaw, or plow, nature would turn into a food and habitat desert, full of very old trees.
These old trees choke out new growth, and that keeps the food up where only birds and squirrels can get to it. It keeps the sunlight off the forest floor and starves any bushes or young trees of sunlight. Deer and rabbits start to starve, as do the predators that depend on those animals for prey.
The truth is that the forest needs man to come in and be a little destructive so that more species can grow and live. Even the native Americans destroyed vast amounts of forest with fire to provide habitat for the animals they hunted.
the wood in the lumber yards now days is total shit
Trying to understand why this video has so many thumbs down...
Liberals get scared of people being independent and not relying on the government
That’s the liberal way, pay pay pay, we have to share your wrath you worked hard to earn.theres people who refuse to work need your money.
It is all about insurance lobby. They do not want to pay out, so they want structures built with the liability put on someone else. If it stamped and the structure falls down or has mildew from too much moisture content, They can put the liability on who graded the lumber. The lumber you buy at store is not even kiln dries properly because of quantity (profit) not quality. The wood in stores is garbage. There is no freedom in this country anymore.
First of all no one is gonna tell me what I can build my home out of if I own the land!! Second of all if the area, state or whatever I was living in was like that I would pack up and leave!
It amazes me how much power people have let the tyrant so called leaders have and get away with!!
The electric company where I lived tried some of that rule nonsense when I built my new home and I called their bluff.
Move to Oklahoma
Sounds like a lovely State. Thanks for the comment.
Only problem I have with this is your down playing lumber graders careers like it’s super easy and not necessary. I agree with everything else, should be able to do whatever u want with your own stuff. As a grader I can tell u we are quite necessary for this whole industry. Need to know all the rules for all the species down to the wording in the national rule book. Also, One main factor is it keeps mills honest and not pawning off crap, or even good from great. If you run the numbers for pricing vs production, someone could take huge advantages of someone that doesn’t grade there lumber. Example, 1000 bf of 1com boards is say $1000 and 1000 bf for FAS is $1400. Distinction from these grades sometimes is very close. Could be 1 cutting unit off from fas. But if you don’t grade your lumber how would u know. If I sent u 8000 bf of 1com for fas being close cuts, I just jacked u for $3200 and u wouldn’t notice. Can happen that way buying or selling so we are pretty crucial. Don’t be playing off this career as if it’s a joke. it’s a vital part of the ENTIRE industry.
I dont know how people built homes without y'all for THOUSANDS of years.
Grand Rapids and Chicago.. You’re probably a stone’s throw away from me. I may have to pick your brain at some point.
boring get to the point then go into history of why. I just typed this and left
One more example of big government interfering unnecessarily in our lives. MAGA!!!
Oh...my...can...you... please... speak... at...a... normal... speed. But I agree with what you are saying.
Extorsion as per usual
Ramblingggggggggggggggggggggggggg
Dude, you spent more time out in left field than on topic. Jeeze it's annoying!!
I understand the frustration with codes, but I bet you are happy when you buy a house built to code and know that it wasn't framed with pallet wood and wired with speaker wire. Also it really depends on where you live if you cannot build with graded lumber. Some cities and counties require it and some allow you to build with your own materials.
And so building inspectors allow you to do whatever you want if you just tip them under the table!
I hope there aren't too many viewers who believe the nonsense ignorance you put out. This video got a lot of viewers so just think of all the people you may have misinformed. Lumber is graded and stamped to make sure the user isn't ripped off and has the right strength, species and specs for the job it is going to do. You go on and on with nuts logic. If this were my video I would delete it and make one with correct information.
Bob Meyers would have NEVER made it back in the day "prior to" the grading of wood BECAUSE there are millions of homes built & STILL standing/livable PRIOR to ANY stamps, codes, etc. (I live in one...150+ years old!!!).Also, apparently Bob Meyers is the "type" of person, who's been "Bred" to be ignorant & why I say this? He has to RELY on Someone Else to TELL Him what will work & won't work. He has to rely on someone who, "got's them", some of that "book learning" education who THINKS "They" know what's the right strength, species & those most important, specs... for the job. I guess Bob Meyers needs Home Depot to TELL him "which" species to BUY... as IF there aren't SEVERAL species of trees to use for building purposes. And don't you like His term "strength", when pine is used a lot for studs, pine, fir, etc. ALL are of the weaker species of trees BUT Grow rapidly therefore used AND are the Cheaper of species out there. Same as OSB used in today's building verses plywood, both are code approved but, which is Cheaper? I don't agree with all this guy talks about in his video, but Bobby's comments TELL YOU just how ignorant Bobby is.
96 socialists don’t like this video.
That word doesn't mean what you think it means. The capitalists passed the codes to force you to pay a corporation so millionaires (or billionaires) become richer.
to much BS talking.very BOORING
Why don't you try using a good microphone or hire a good video producer? You probably know what you are talking about but I can't hear you.
hfminmi. Maybe you should check your device your watching this on. I can hear him fine. My volume is up about half way.
Same here.
oh stop acting like it's some big conspiracy that goes back 100 years. you make it sound so simple, oh just watch a youtube video, oh just take a 3 hour class. just because you are good at that and capable doesn't mean everyone else is. there would be idiots who aren't good at it choosing the wrong materials and constructing it in the wrong way that puts themselves and others in danger.
even look at modern contractors. a licensed contractor can have all the proper tools and materials and the ability to do a job to code, and still do a shitty job that doesn't meet the code. it's not just about what you want to do with your own home. we shouldn't have to cut out exceptions in the laws because you want to do something specific. and it's not like it only affects you because you live in that house. what if an idiot does it wrong and a firefighter is trying to get into your burning house to save your life and dies because the idiot contractor messed up. we don't write laws that say "oh because "BarnGeek" seems to know what he's doing it's cool that everybody does". humans are idiots. imagine if 100 people had to choose and cut their own lumber and build their own structures. i'd be shocked if even 10% of them could make it "safe" let alone up to code.
if someone buys that house, they should be able to assume with a fair degree of certainty that whatever is behind the walls and under the floors is safe.
if you or i rent a house, we need to be able to assume with a reasonable degree of certainty that whatever is behind the walls and under the floors is safe.
think about fire codes. you can act like it's your own "homestead" all you want, but when your failure to comply with reasonable codes causes a fire that spreads to the next house or the next town and destroys 100 homes it's easier to see why we have codes.