The Journey to Modern Non-Linear Editing (Part 1)
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I got so caught up by that scene from The English Patient that I was zoned out for the next few sentences of John Hess's lecture when he came back. A nice demonstration of the power of editing.
I was lead engineering technician on the assembly line of the Sony BVE-3000 electronic editor in Palo Alto California, 1984. Three one inch type C VTRs (at my work station), built in audio and video switcher SEGs it was a full college education worth of knowledge for me. It was not even the best loved controller of the Sony series. But, it means a lot to me. I collect old video gear today and I have one of these editors in my collection. Long past its due date, all we can do is look at the silent carcass with love and longing. I'm good friends with the founder of Avid and know or met many of the big names in the industry, especially the VTR design team at Ampex.
I was fortunate enough to have started working in television when I was 16, in 1980. My father started 20 years before me and spoke about the major pain of developing and cutting video tape. This was the 1st time I ever saw an image of the process. Thanks, even if I'm 5 years too late.
I've edited on all these devices and more. This brought back so many memories.
This video should be watched by everyone who is interested in/affiliated with creating film, vlogs, docu's, tv-shows, etc...
Don't forget Newtek's VIDEO TOASTER. Loved that machine!
Congratulations on an outstanding presentation. I spent the years from 1977 to '07 as a commercial producer in New York. You've neatly compressed the evolution of video editing that I lived through in those 30 years. The first TV spots I made were on 2" quad; the last used mini DV for source material. I appreciate that you gave credit to Bing Crosby. He may or may not have been a good dad, but he is the father of both audio and video tape, through his funding of Ampex research.
Great stuff from you guys! I'm a film professor and I use your videos as educational resources to supplement my lectures. Great work and thank you for the smart, informative, and entertaining videos.
That was one of the nicest comments I have ever read. Thank you!
I actually worked on the very early quad machines doing physical editing. I have worked on every machine Ampex made. And WABD was a network is the longest on-air broadcast network in the world. It is still on the air as the Fox network now. I must point out, the electronic editing on quad machines had two modes of editing: assembly and insert. if you were building a show in a "linear" fashion, you would choose assembly mode, if you were modifying a show, you used insert mode. the difference was thay in assembly mode, the record machine layed down a new control track, where in insert mode, the control track was preserved. also in assembly there was not really a defined "out" point as it didn't matter because the next segment was going to write over the last bit of previous segment. Also the Editec system invented by Ampex, never had a microprocessor. Edited was merely a tone on the question track that signaled the in/out point of the edits. After editec came a timecode editor that used thumbwheels to set in/out points on Ampex equipment. Ampex was king of broadcast video tape. In fact the word "video tape" was copywrited by Ampex. RCA had to call it "television tape"
also I must comment on the CMX 600system (which I worked on) it was the first system to use a light pen interface, I can only store 20 min of b&w images onto a sea of 300mb disk drives. the result was an edl on an 8" floppy to be used in an online CMX online edit system, where the actual edits took place. you could NEVER use the video output on the CMX 600 system, only output was an EDL.
One of the companies I worked for obtained to source code for the online CMX editor and Re wrote it to use up to 26 video/audio sources (even film projectors) that used timecode.
to standing a room with over 20 2" video tape machines, either playing back or locating thier cue points was a thing of beauty. if one machine could not reach its que point in time, the sysyem would stop the record and first input machine, wait for the second input machine to reach its cue point, then it would rewind the first input machine and the record machine to do an automatic "match cut", then do the edit it was supposed to do.
At the time, I was the youngest ever to be nominated for an Emmy for editing. I remember when the world switched to tape from live. Sad moment.
roy Yung 🙏🏼💫
I used windows movie maker to edit on for the longest time but moved on to premiere pro in late 2014. Both were and are a fantastic learning experience. I don't care if I wasn't around when the old fashioned editing machines were being used, I'll always have a deep appreciation for them. The old b&w films we watch today to learn from were most likely cut on those machines.
Interesting, informative, compelling, with outstanding production value... Every video on this channel.
It's really nice to see you speak as passionately about this as you do
Excellent, excellent. Casually clicked the link and was instantly hooked. On to part two.
in all seriousness, this video should be playing in the Henry Ford Museum in Detroit Michigan...and if they don't have a film area (which if remember correctly, they do have some sort), then this should be the FIRST!
It is worth mentioning that before the coast to coast network, kinescopes were made in New York and shipped to the west cost to be broadcast one week later. And they were flown to Hawaii. . . And the old "I Love Lucy" show was filmed live with multiple cameras in LA edited and shipped to the east coast for broadcast.
It's important to clarify that the EditDroid software was sold to the company that would eventually become Avid. It was the Avid's direct predecessor.
I first started editing in the early 90s - all linear, but one thing that helped was video LAN (rs422) and computer control of the switcher and the VTR. Reassembling the entire production for changes was as easy as popping all the tapes in and hitting go.
I've learned a lot today. I'm most definitely gonna be sure to watch this video again.
This is an absolutely amazing video! It was well-made with great visuals, and kept my attention the whole time.
So Avid actually invented Drag & Drop editing.
Check out the link in the video description - it links to the course we have on the site and the written page is essentially the script that I'm reading off:
To be exact. Helical scan has little to do with bandwidth. Quad scanned the tape transversely, limiting the number of lines that could be read by the rotating drum. It required 4x heads on the drum to get a whole frame per rotation, hence the name "quadruplex". Helical scan allowed one head to read the entire frame in one pass, but the bandwidth is similar to quad decks. BTW, I still think 1" Type-C can look quite good under the right conditions. It was a staple of television production till the late 80s.
Any way, great work as always.
I worked for a national television network and we used 1" as our primary recorder until 1993, then moving completely to D2 and DTC. 1" as a source stretched into the early 2000s and I know a network that still dusts off and old archive now and then.
I love your videos because it provide new information and not the 3 point lighting guide like most others youtube channel.
I cut my first short film, shot on 16mm, scanned to video and EDL turned to cut list in 1991. I used a demo system from Avid. Blown up stamps for video, but still... :-)
I just LOVE the way you present the information. I don't know exactly how to say it, but it's like I start watching any of your clips, and I can not NOT watch. As if it's something I didn't know that I needed to know it, but once I start watching it, I realize that it will make me smarter.... not only that, but I also really enjoy learning from you. I once heard a quote about an author, when somebody said "You're like eating vegetables, and having it taste like dessert"... you're like that :)
It's a mix of stuff found in articles on the web, videos - all put together to try to tell as coherent a story as we can.
15:49 7 terabytes!? When the average computer hard drive was 250 MB. Holy Shit!
My first go at editing was copying from camcorder (those giant things back then) to VHS tape. So grateful for digital, so convenient, and you can add titles and music, and do green screen, and....
I have only just discovered this channel, but let me say these videos and your presentation skills are simply wonderful. I have just passed 2 hours without realising! Please keep them coming :)
The Journey to Modern Non-Linear Editing (Part 2) czcams.com/video/dhHQw5GrwxU/video.html
After reading the title of this video I was expecting a lecture on Tarantino's narrative style. Still wasn't disappointed though :P
It's the same concept but the technology is obviously much better these days :)
@Becky Morris-Ashton - everything mentioned up to about 12:55 is what would be considered Linear editing.
Thankkkk you so much, your videos have really helped me with all my work for school!!!! Thank you again :) :)
Thank you so much. I'd never seen the Kitchen Debates before. It's rather remarkable that a medium so full of promise at it's outset has degenerated to reality television in our generation.
I think genre studies would be pretty cool.
Is there any video in CZcams that shows film editors from the first era of Hollywood working? Where you can see the old cutting machines and tables in action.
Love the education!
This was wonderful!!! Loved the history! I want to own every single old editor that existed as a collection. You're brilliant sir! What's your name? I'm Jonathan Holeton. May I ask are you Filipino Canadian or Filipino American? My wife is from the Philippines. Going to watch your 2nd part now! I'm so grateful video editing, VFX, motion graphics, 3d, animation, etc. are all very accessible to everyone now... it's a great time to be a creator!
Awesome historical analysis!
the talking between the two president was so funny
Montage. Or maybe talk about the importance of the french school or my favourite , the sovietic school .
Editdroid and the avid/1 may be the most advanced NLE systems from the 80's,whoooaaah dit 7 terabyte of disk space already existed back in 1993?,holy sh!t.
Yeah, I thought the same!
I was editing in those days. He misspoke. I recall our frustration with storage, speed and amount, 7GB is more likely and that was using multiple drives.
(Gah, so close to being your thousandth like!) Again, thank you for all the great knowledge you share in your vids. Must cut this comment short to get to part 2!
Speaking about editing, your cut after the 18:05 mark came over the climax of the film :P
It could be great if you make a video on "HOW & WHY TO SLATE"
Ah, The English Patient, I hated that film, I worked in a theater during its debut and at times every 10 mins or so it would break. If I recall a lot of other theaters had the same problem with that film. one day I will watch it and hopefully something does not break.
What part of film Theory would you like to see?
At least many good prerecorded programs used some variety of 35mm movie film so we can go past the NTSC and PAL resolutions. Think ST:TOS & ST:TNG.
Sadly it doesn’t seem like ST:VOY & ST:DS9 will get a HD release anytime soon for cost reasons and having to redo effects shots in HD.
4:00 One thing I don't understand - if movies existed in the 1930s why was it not possible to record videos onto tape until the 1950s?
+sarnobat2000 motion picture film existed all the way back to the 1890s and still film earlier than that. But those exist as an purely analog medium - when you shoot film and develop it, you have a strip of plastic with your image right there - shine light through it and you're done.
But tape doesn't work like film. You can't look at a reel of tape and see the pictures - it's an recording of the electrical signals needed for a television to reproduce the image. So first you needed TV to exist - a tech that started in the 30s but didn't really catch on until after WWII. Then you needed a lot of electronics and magnetic detectors to encode and read magnetic tape - a lot of that stuff was engineered in the 40s during the war effort.
+Filmmaker IQ Okay that makes sense, thanks (I'm not a film school student, just a hobbyist). I think I need to rewatch the video with the correct premise and more of it will stick :)
@@FilmmakerIQ At no point at school or university was physical tape cutting mentioned. We recorded on to tape and digitised it, but no background info on it's history. So, thanks for committing a segment of this video to tape cutting, as I had never thought about how you'd actually do it. And it seems you have to really, really love what you're doing to achieve that almost impossible task.
They also did that with audio tape... That practice was much more common
Микита Сергійович Хрущов - so it's Hroosh-chov, not Kru-schev.
Amazing!
dude, you're fucking awesome!
Damn... Editing was a bitch.
Some movies you cut out the boring parts, the whole film is on the cutting room floor.
Hmmm... America was already broadcasting commercial television before and during the WWII. "Television's experimental period ended when the FCC allowed full commercial telecasting to
begin on July 1, 1941. NBC's New York station W2XBS received the first commercial license*,
adopting the call letters WNBT and later, moved from Channel 1 to Channel 4. The first official,
paid television advertisement on that day, the first commercial broadcast by any station in the
United States, was for Bulova Watches, and was seen just before the start of a Brooklyn Dodgers
baseball telecast on WNBT. A test pattern, featuring the newly assigned WNBT call letters, was
modified to look like a clock, complete with functioning hands. The Bulova logo, with the phrase
"Bulova Watch Time", was shown in the lower right-hand quadrant of the test pattern." eyesofageneration.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/The-History-of-NBC-New-York-Television-Studios-Volume-1-of-2-Rev-Aug-17.pdf
Well I don't know where I got that - 1948 was when the FCC froze new commercial licenses... so obviously there was commercial broadcasts...- but TV was definitely not much a thing during the war.
@@FilmmakerIQ Right, TV didn't take off until after the war. One of my favorite stories is about the BBC broadcasting a Mickey Mouse cartoon "Mickey's Gala Premier" that was stopped in the middle when England declared war against Germany, and resumed after the war ended. It was feared TV broadcasting would be used by the Germans as a homing signal. During the war the Germans broadcast propaganda from the Eiffel Tower using the seized studio France had already built. The famous Indian Head Test Pattern was designed in 1938 (have you done a video on test patterns?). This page has a picture of the NBC TV broadcast schedule from 1941 www.earlytelevision.org/rca_story_brewster.html
Wow where is that clip of the monkey editing from! I want to see that.
Can you do a Film Theory video ?
Please I need help like right now, I just wanted to know, is everything that he mentions in this video all non-linear or are some parts linear?
If anyone knows please could you help me out and leave a reply, thanks :)
Everything before Editdroid and Avid was linear, the CMX600 was vaporware. Even after Avid was introduced it was useless as a finishing tool. We had to go back to linear to "conform" the edits. As late as 2001 we were still conforming due to the lack of broadcast quality in Avid's AVR77 codec. (IMHO, it was ok for promotion then, just not on a national network level.) Old editors around that time were convinced non-linear was a time-wasting fad and anyday management would wake up and ditch the tech they couldn't wrap their heads around. By 2002 they were the ones being scrapped as NLE became fully prime time.
I love ur what are u teaching about ,And the way better than my Proffessor,thanks so much ur video,hope u can make more nice film video to teach us,Can i have a suggest?see, i cam a Asian ,and I love ur Teaching Video,But i am not good at english ,must of time only can under stand 80%.so Can u post video with the english subtitles ?then many pepole all over the world who doesnt read english well still can understand ur video show ,thanks so much ^^
What are the sources of your information ?
13:55 I'll lay in my grave without having earned that much during my entire life even if I lived to be 90! (Granted I have a junk job, but that's remarkable anyway).
Was that video of Nixon and Kruschev really in color, or did they colorize it after the fact?
It was actually in color - the tech for color broadcast was settled and actually the first color broadcast was in 1953.
Huh, interesting. Thanks for the answer.
The first company that was able to record the image on tape was the BBC with the Vera system and not the Bill Cosby team, and the BBC system was created a decade earlier.
+Otacílio Ribeiro do Amaral Neto Vera system began development in 1952, *Bing Crosby* demoed a video tape system in 1951.
Hilarious.
And here I am sitting in front of an Avid in 2018.
Woa, Sayid from Lost
Wow amazing, I wonder how do you do this research its insane ?
could you do a more in-depth into Linear Editing, please! Thanks :)
What more do you want? You don't want to do linear editing - that's pretty much dead.
Khruschev looks and sounds like sweet naive grandpa.
Looks are deceiving. He was more like your sweet secretive serial killer.
why he looking like al from toy story 2
14:48
you forgot to deinterlace video
Yea, go ahead. Completely ignore Pre-Read Editing and Digital tape.
Thank you. I knew I made the right choice.
@@FilmmakerIQ It really was an offshoot of the whole process. D-2 came out in 1986 and Sony's version had a Pre-Read "feature." It was so strange, Sony was going to remove the function. I had to beg to keep it. But in only a few years, the D-3 and digibeta and D-5 all has to have the feature. Digital tape meant that you could copy and copy without generation loss. This "solved" the problem of linear editing.
D-2 sampling rate was the lowest possible to get a color picture 7.08 Mhz at only 8 bit. This was double the color frequency of the analog signal.
Pre-read and full digital edit bay meant you could do infinite layers. Though, there was no undo. It took the release of After Effects that killed off this whole branch of the editing tree. Ten years from the inception and I was editing fully digital video on a PC, with Undo.
Thanks for your fine work.
Avid/1 looks like a basic version of Windows Movie Maker :-)
Wow... "Tricky Dick" was doing amazingly long and awkward handshakes long before Trump! Who knew?
Kind of skipped the process of off-line and auto assembly.
Oh wow you just flew by the editdroid...
Moviolas have been around since the mid-1920s, not 1930s.
the most video
1947 - 2 years after the WWII ended, not 3. ;)
And? 1:50
6:13 His name is Nikita, smh.
The one person who disliked this video must be crazy
Faisal AL-Maiman ...maybe they just have fat thumbs.
Maybe because they don't understand it.
Hmmm... all very good... but please: no colorized videos!! It was ALL black and white then, as you know.
Not ALL black and white. The color standard was established in 1953. So that Nixon video was in color!
@@FilmmakerIQ Oops! I apologize! Just saw it and thought: ahh, exactly the look of, say colorized film from the 30s or 40s. YT has many of them. Do you know how many US homes already had a color TV in 1960? Must still have been a very small number. Here in Germany color TV started in August 1967 at the Funkausstellung in Berlin. And now: on to your next very informative video: aspect ratio! Thanks for your work!
Very few color TVs were in the market - but the networks did try to do an hour of color a week or so in the 50s. The good thing is all those black and white TVs could receive and view the color signal!
Oh you jerk. You let the tension build and then cut before we could see the ending of the bomb clip. Did they make it!?
:p
+JP Kloess Oh English Patient - I guess you'll just have to rent the movie ;)
Say Cheese!
Me: (watching on the 83rd anniversary of BBC's first brodcast)