This 2023 Ford Super Duty Power Stroke Has One Unmistakably BAD Thing About It!
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Ford F-550 Intro
2:30 More on the 6.7L Power Stroke turbo-diesel
4:08 "Quick" 0-60 run - with no bed!
5:35 So...*why* is there no bed?
7:14 Its GVWR is *how much*?
7:49 Fuel tank options
9:01 A blank canvas!
9:34 Let's talk about competition
10:16 Here's the thing...
12:15 Inside the Ford F-550 Lariat
15:11 Certified weight slip: How much the F-550 weighs (from the factory)
17:20 Pricing
18:29 More upfitting gear! and more interior details
19:55 Turning radius test
22:27 Is this Ford F-550 the coolest HD truck of them all? Closing thoughts - Auta a dopravní prostředky
This truck needs to do the Ike Gauntlet towing 30,000 lbs.
30k for this truck would be considered medium to heavy as far as weight so it shouldn't be a problem. I believe these trucks are rated at about 36k or maybe a little more for towing capacity. (I haven't verified that so it may be more but I believe last year's models were about that)
Just whatever the max is on that bad boy "Super ike gauntlet"!
@@eldridge201I thought I heard it was like 40-45k towing.
it will be a dog going up it!
Depending on config they go up to 40k towing.
My 2020 F450 always blew my mind with power and turning radius. They are faster now with 1200 lbs feet...
The 550s are pretty commonly used as Type 6 wildland fire engines. They do indeed have a great turning radius. Definitely tighter than my short bed F150.
Tons of problems with the transfer cases though, at least in the 2016-2018-ish ones I used to run.
Love it ❤❤️ 😊😮😮
Andre, you’re the truck guy!
“High Country?” 😂😂😂
I forgive you this time!😊
Thank you!
That was my comment!! 😂
My 2012 F550 with the 6.7 went over 600,000km on original powertrain before i sold it. My 2015 is stilla beast. These trucks are hp limited out of the factory for longevity. It used to be 300 and 330hp. Most are geared at 4.88 tho some at 4.30 ratio. 0-60 in these will never be great.
They may not be great 0-60 but they'll be consistent... With or without a load.
@@samgford exactly. They just go. I used to pull 30,000+ daily with mine. Never let me down
@@Rollochrome longevity. They dont have the same hp as the f350s.
@@Rollochrome these can run WOT for literally hours. f350 cannot without pulling power. same with why the power builds and becomes available at higher speeds. longevity for their intended use.
@@Rollochrome it is a few things. Emissions at wide open high load would be tough and have risk of catalyst and DPF meltdown. The SCR and DPF are in swapped positions. Class 4 and 5 are purchased by businesses for emplyees to use. Fast and high speed is not on the list of needs. More HP=more fueling=worse mpg.
Andre you and Mr. TRUCK need to Run this baby up the mountain on Saturday!
good thing they don't have a high country because GM would probably sue the hell out of them lol
Came here to say the same thing...
When I heard that I was shook lol
I was shocked too.
I'm positive it's nothing like a chevy!!! And in case nobody has noticed chevy has been coping every one else's ideas for years! "New" corvette is knock off cheap Ferrari, and they copy ford's best truck ideas then make sure they are comfy cozy for little bitch boy chevy guys.
He meant king ranch
I've always had a pipe dream of owning an F550 like this.
No you don't
They ride like crap without any weight on them and usually have gearing that’s too slow
@@BrandonLeechoh no!!! You just described a damn truck!🤡
4L axle code is a 4.30 limited slip axle.
The chassis trucks have an industry standard frame size, and width for all the different options that can be put on them, anything from the utility bed you mentioned, to an ambulance body, wrecker body, etc. If you look at the frame of a standard pickup, the frame has several bends and dips in it making it a pain to try and install any aftermarket type bed options.
I wish on the F250/F350 that Ford would offer them with dual tanks like they used to.
Cool to see a look at commercial truck platforms. I know BigTruckBigRV is big on the F450's and up for that wide track front axle setup. The turning radius is probably the biggest selling point on the F-450 over the F-350. The commercial tires are also another factor, over the F-350.
Also, larger brakes, and larger, half shafts in the axle.
Be ready to pony up for the tires though more expensive when replacing down the road
Andre excellent video on a very capable truck! An interesting impact of Ohio regulation on landscaper and small business demand for these vehicles is that even though those businesses would operate more safely with this truck they pick an F350 instead and potentially run overloaded more often. The reason is that the combined weight of a trailer hauling a skid steer and the GVWR of a F450 or F550 puts them in CDL territory and thus makes worker recruiting much more difficult. So a safety regulation pushes some operations towards less safe practices via running around with overloaded trucks.
Wait, the state is requiring commercial drivers to have commercial licenses to prove they are trained to safely tow the skid steer? The nerve!
The F350 with a 14,000 GVWR trailer would also exceed 26,001 pound federal class A cdl requirements.
A SRW might come in lower but I’m not sure. I know a GM 3500 SRW diesel has a 12,100 GVWR and so even it towing a 14,000 GVWR trailer would require a class A CDL if it’s being used for commercial use. Non commercial use would of course be dependent on state laws.
Class 4 and 5 trucks are not CDL territory at all. Neither are most class 6. You have to have a GVWR (Weight of just the truck, payload and passengers)of 26,001 or more. Class 5 tops out at 19,500 and class 6 tops out at 23,500. Not even close. Gross combined weight rating (truck + trailer) is completely irrelevant when it comes to CDL.
@@briandavis8064 you’re incorrect. Class A CDL requirements are this: any combination vehicles that exceed 26,001 GCWR and the trailer has a GVWR of 10,000 or more.
So a 26,000 GVWR truck towing a 9950 GVWR trailer would not require a Class A cdl. But a 12,100 GVWR truck towing a 14,000 GVWR trailer would because the GCWR is 26,100 and the trailer GVWR is over 10,000.
@@briandavis8064 sir not in ohio. Weight of truck and trailer are part of the equation
In the commercial truck world, this would be classified as Medium Duty.
Yes, everything in the SuperDuty line is a medium-duty truck... except the heavy-duty F-750.
Andre uses the common but confusing term "heavy-duty pickup", which means heavy-duty compared to other pickups, even though compared to trucks of all kinds it is still only medium-duty.
@@brianb-p6586 wrong, 350 and below are considered light duty
@JustaKidTrying2MakeIT you can put any label you want on anything. US federal regulators have definitions, in which an F-350 is not light-duty.
We need a Super Ike with this...
That is coming next month!
Just changed oil on my 2012 F450. Has 352k and still running strong.
Please do more videos on Liquid Spring
It would be great if the F550 came with the option to have the High Output engine in it and then have Elevation Off-Grid do what they do with it!
Delete and tune+ intake and you’ll blow by a stock HO
A coworker was just mentioning this tighter turn radius and ordering an f450 because of him needing the tighter turn radius that his f350 can't do
If you're going to test commercial cab-and-chassis regularly you'll need a test weight to bolt onto the chassis. That also means a forklift to transfer it between trucks and into/out of storage. All and all a big investment but I'd love be a fly on the wall at the equipment dealer:
"What sort of business do you need the forklift for?"
"Our CZcams channel..."
Andre, you should get an engineer to talk about duty cycle and how its different from f350 (commercial is rated for 100% continuous power vs the pickups) maybe get them to bring 1/2 tons into teh discussion as well.
Great video as always! I’m hoping y’all go off road! Hopefully it fits on some of the trails lol
The funny thing is that I have seen more F450/550 chassis cab trucks on the road than the pickup truck version of the new generation.
F450-600 should be required for Towing anything over 20,000 lbs..
The 19.5 wheels fit a much larger rotor/ brake..
And heavier overall for better control
dually brakes have been maxxed out for YEARS its crazy teh capacities kept raising. i believe teh New HD FINALLY have bigger wheels and brakes
I’d love to see a 1999-2003 7.3 2001-2003 6.6
1997-2001 5.9
Vs 7.3,6.4,and 6.2 gas in an Ike gauntlet. Use a 14k load on all.
Ford wins
I have owned almost everything on your list (along with a few Dodge diesel dually) the 2023 F550 as far as “Workhorse” has them all beat!
The f450 is my favourite, it's solid and not d-tuned like F550
Please please please do an Ike Gauntlet MAX towing with an F550 !! :)
I’m going to pick mine up next week, having a Martin aluminum flatbed installed with a gooseneck hitch
Love the Super Duties baby!! But as usual the price is craaaazy! it’s really attractive looking but old grille was better. Can’t wait to be able to afford one that’s dream car/truck number 3😂
3:01 Is this the truck where they have to take the cab off if the cylinder head gaskets blow or for any cylinder head work?
They have been doing that for a long time now, nothing new with trucks and cars.
So how many amps is the alternator in this chassis cab truck? I would hope 200-plus.
Wouldn't mind seeing the build on this truck by EOG. Great review, Sir! Can't wait to see the F350/450 EOG Black review!
Be aware that any tire size above 37” is going to throw codes when making sharp turns, to erase them you just have turn the truck off and restart them to clear the codes
Our newest f550 dump we went with the 7.3l gasser. Plenty of power and there is no business case for diesels anymore unless you’re running highways all day long. Between the cost of the diesel engine and the fact that the manufactures don’t stand behind their products (think 6.5. 6.0 and everything with an egr) when things go wrong there is no point getting the oil burner.
our EPA is doing everything they can to kill the diesel engine. Our regulations are more stringent than Europe and that is saying something. Nixon gave us these pests.
🤔😂 🤣
Does you back driver side rim get gritty feeling black specks on it?
All three of our new 2023 superdutys has this same issue ?
If you mount a "standard" (designed for a production pickup) pickup bed on it, you don't just need to modify it to mount on the frame - you also need to fill in the extra 100 mm (4 inches) or so gap between the cab and the front of the box resulting from the cab-to-axle (CA) dimension not matching the pickup. A pickup with an 8-foot box typically has about 56" CA, and chassis-cabs come in industry-standard CA of 60" and longer (84", 108" with shorter cab). It's not intended to be a pickup truck.
What’s taking so long to get a max Ike with a new 6.7 HO F350?
I keep checking the channel expecting it to be up already. I mean normal people have had these trucks for over a month now. I expected TFL to have the video up on day 1.
The upfitter switch location is nice. So is the interior. I see they are trying to compete w the Ram limited
Some years ago I was shopping pickup trucks & was pleasantly surprised to find an
F350 SRW was only $600 more than the F250. So thats what I bought. Not long ago
I was curious how much more An F550 is that an F450. WHOA!!!!!!!!
$20,000.00 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy Crap!!!! I guess there must be more to an F550 than
a couple of more spring leafs.
!
It's missing a PTO.
Can't one be fitted aftermarket? It has all those auxiliary switches too.
PTO is factory-available. Since the one shown here was ordered for motorhome use, it has no need for a PTO and would not be equipped with one.
I never really considered F-250s to be "Heavy Duty" trucks, but I'm getting old. I guess the new ones now technically are with a GVWR of over 10,000 lbs.
The adjective before "duty" is what makes it all confusing. They are Ford "Super Duty" trucks that are "heavy duty" compared to what most consumers do with a pickup, but in terms of commercial classification they are "light duty" based on the lack of certain features (19.5" wheels, increased-width front track and turning radius) and their lower GVWR. The F450 makes it 1 MORE level of confusing because the consumer pickup version is "light duty" (GVWR of 14,000 lbs) but the commercial chassis cab version is "medium duty'" (GVWR up to 16,500 lbs).
I’d like to see ford find a way to put that wide-track front axle in the short bed f250/f350 SRW. It would make the truck much more maneuverable, and a better daily driver.
Ditto
It would be weird to see because the front tires would be wider than the rears...unless they spaced the back ones out too. I personally am glad they dont, if would make working and parking in the city pretty tough to be wider
@@jimmysuperduty1484 you have a good point, but it would still be slimmer than a dually. That’s a trade-off I’d be willing to make if it means a turning radius tighter than some passenger cars.
OMG yes. My F350 is impossible to park even with all-around view cameras. I'm lucky if I only have to do a 2-point turn.
So is the Godzilla 7.3 derated in these too ?
If so by how much and does it impact drivability
Yes, to 335 HP @ 3750 rpm and 468 lb-ft @ 3750 rpm.
@@brianb-p6586
Jeez that’s quite a power drop 😳
@Lee Waite it's normal. Check the rated output of the Cummins 6.7 L Ram pickup engine, compared to the Cummins B6.7 output for heavier truck applications.
Hey Andre, you know that you don't need to keep your finger on the start button until the engine fires up right? You can push and let go right away, the starter will stay engaged until the engine fires up. Fords even with the keyed start system are like this. Just flick it and it starts by it's self. Even my old keyed '09 Flex, you didn't need to hold the key. Technically they have the same technology, just different buttons.
Glad to see your cameraman is a Minnesota Vikings fan at 12:13
well no one buys a f550 and uses it without a bed or trailer. 😂
Pretty sure the Upfit Integration removal is due to constraint. Was supposed to be standard on C&C
I've been stuck on 2 in of snow because you cannot fully shut off TCS and or stability control in a GMC all I had to do was spin the tire enough to get to pavement so I could push myself out of the hole which I've done on the 90s vehicles cars many many times
I think you meant King Ranch, Platinum, or Limited Andre not High Country 😂
Yeah, wrong brand! Haha😂
Oops.
He is just showing his human side lol
I'm surprised they don't have air ride seats with such a stiff suspension.
It's going to be stiff with nothing over the back.
I like these a lot! I work on them but with the godzilla in it. They handle loads so good!
So what rear axle are they using in the 550 these days. Thought it was always the Dana 130. That’s definitely not as heavy a rear as the big Dana
Dana M300
Shame they did away with the third member axle. Always seemed like the stouter setup for carrying weight. The old Dana they used looked like just a smaller version of what we had under our road tractors. Probably more axle than a Ford could handle anyway 😏
That's actually really cheap for what it is. I bet you'd be looking at closer to $100k for a comparable F350. Kind of shows how overpriced their 250s and 350s are. I found that with my '22 2500. I could have gotten a 3500 dually for virtually the same price. Had I known then what I know now about my 2500, I would have done that. It's got all of the "drawbacks" of a dually 3500 without the benefits of a dually 3500.
I tell anyone considering a F250 to just pay that extra ~$1000 and get a 350. A F250 is when you are either in a state with very specific titling requirements or you just really want a crew cab F150 with a 8ft bed.
The F550 & Ram 5500 chassis make amazing tow truck chassis.. however... when these cab chassis are built into either a wrecker or a flatbed, the large rear fuel tank must be Deleted to make room for the tow truck wheel lift equipment & hydraulics!... the chassis must be ordered with the "auxiliary tank" which is midship between the frame where the DEF tank is.... the problem is they're only like 22 gallons! so you get stuck with a large Heavy chassis, 90+ percent of the time operating at max capacity with vehicles on.... and you only get a little 22 gallon tank. The Gasoline chassis are the same way, however... there is NO DEF tank, so there's plenty of room for a bigger gasoline tank.. but neither brand offers a larger gasoline tank. some aftermarket companies make bigger Diesel tanks... but we're still waiting for larger gasoline tanks. (Yes, gas is actually getting MORE popular in the Towing industry because of the cheaper cost to purchase, cheaper to refuel & No Turbo issues or DEF or EGR emission problems..... Someone needs to make aftermarket Larger Midship gasoline tanks for the F550 & Ram 5500 chassis....there's 10's of thousands of chassis running around wanting bigger tanks...
It would be interesting to see a short version of the process of building a commercial platform on this chassis. Then a test drive.
I've seen alot of farmers upgrading to this chassis.
Yeah we recently got one in xl trim and its still just as nice and comfortable. Put a steel 16 ft flatbed
@@eliasgutierrez6789 my neighbor farms and pulls his fuel carts and seed carts with no problems. He wants to upgrade the tires though.
I want a 550 with a flat gooseneck body for towing my toy hauler. It has a GVWR of 20k.
I know it doesnt have a bed, but honestly 8100 seems light for that truck. I was guessing over 9k
Although a bed will add "some" weight to the overall truck regardless of whether it's just a small 1/2 to (F-150) or a larger F-250, 350, or 450, the truck itself without the bed just doesn't weigh that much even though the frame is a little thicker and the brake rotors, rear and front axles, rims and tires, and a few other components are just a little bit larger for better handling and braking.
The additional weight that all of these "larger" components adds is just not that much. Now, add a steel flatbed to this like a lot of famers do and boom, you're over 10k and maybe even close to or over 11k.
It's aluminum. Saves a bit of weight.
@@gregbrooks3577 Just the cab is aluminum, which might save a couple hundred pounds compared to steel.
@@brianb-p6586 Nope. Bed and and cab aluminum. Google it.
I'd like to know where exactly the line is drawn between a consumer and commercial truck. Can an F550 be driven without a CDL? What about an F450
Both f550 and f450 don't require CDL's to drive because their GVWR is under 26k
@@johncarboni8944 alright, but that means you can drive a (trailer-less) Peterbilt without a CDL?
@@yissibiiyte The truck is technically under 26K however with it having air brakes your state may require that you get a air brake endorsement. Again it may vary from state to state and trying to find a answer will not be easy due to its unusalness.
Anything over 10k requires some kind of endorsement to legally drive like RV class
@@yissibiiyte a lot has to do how it's titled for use. A lot of older people sell their house and buy a class 8 volvo and tow a fifth wheel across the country. No cdl because it's titled as an rv. Most states have farm exemption.
For some reason they don’t put the HO’s in the CC’s. You have to get a 3500 to get the HO.
It should be mentioned that getting insurance for a F550 which the insurance industry considers a “ Commerical truck” is very expensive and not insurable for personal use by the far majority of auto insurance companies … I know this first hand. Depending on how the underwriters feel on any given day Progressive one of two companies that insure commercial truck (a F550) for personal use can drop without notice. The other company that can you can use is State Farm. Of coarse if you have a business or LLC and have it registered as such you get insurance for a Commerical truck for commercial use… but for personal like I have it super singled with a truck camper and custom flatbed is an issue … so check with your insurance before you drop a ton of money for personal use
There are many reasons why I push people from F-350 DRW to the F-450 in pickups - turning radius is one of them due to the Dana front end instead of a Ford Sterling (same as an F-250 4×4/F-350 SRW), 19.5" wheels instead of 17", and higher gross combination weight rating. The only bad thing is that they are not offered in SuperCab - only Regular & SuperCrew (Chassis-Cab is fair game). The Cab & Chassis just take the pickups and change the portion behind the cab and the front springs after the F-450.
I have a Ram 5500 with a ~50 gallon tank and that is about right for regional CDL deliveries. Every night I fill up with 20 to 40 gallons. I would be exceptionally annoyed having to fill up twice a day with a 40 gallon tank with 37 gal of usable capacity.
Can we get some of the military issue ones that come from the factory without DPF’s? That’s the first thing to go when I buy new trucks. Nothing but problems and costs.
I think everyone would like to see a Super Ike with this beast!
my 2019 company wt has a crane body in back like most f550 ,, its not the best in diesel mpg but then again its a wt .. but you can put some weight in back it dont even feel it. hard ride but again wt..
The 2023 Super Duty Power Stroke is a force to be reckoned with! ⭐
Alex trying to sneak in a better results for your personal truck? 😂
I hope it's getting a tow body with lots of storage so this could be the new Marvelous tow rig for the Marvelous⚡ ⚡ Voltage 3895. I also want to see it challenge Ike.
I just bought an f600 with the 7.3 gas and i cant wait to put it to work
I have a 2019 F250 4x4 373 rear end. It will not take the punishment a RAM 250 will. The front ends are not very good 😕 😐 😢
Those trucks are used for wrecker beds or roll backs, crane bodies, service bodies etc. Some also become box trucks.
Yes but definitely not exclusively, my service truck is a F550 with tool bed and crane
@@aron6998 True
2:25 it is called king ranch not a high country
Your TCS stability control is still you cannot fully shut it off unless flash the ECU and or get a stand-alone ECU
I drive a 2016 F-550 4X4 single cab long wheel base
The turning radius is excellent but the 2WD is even better
Our company has 2 F-350’s and a GMC 3500 2WD short wheel base trucks that can’t turn as good as these do
I drive a 2016 F-550 for work with a service body on it with a crane (John Deere field service tech). They certainly ride better with weight on the axles. They are not quick by any means.
High country is on an Other level my Friend 😂😂😂😂
With a flat bed and 5th wheel it would be awesome with the biggest rv trailer .
I like how I didn’t have to calculate 11500 pounds, and just imagined the hummer EV 😅😅😂
It would be cool to have the commercial chassis but fit a pick-up box on it.
Can we pause for a second, for the radio antenna in 2023.
What? No box frame like they use on f250’s that they CLAIM is better? The box frame that rots out because it gets full of salt and road debris. If boxed is stronger and better then why not use it on f550’s?
Fully boxed frames are lighter and stiffer in torsion. Those factors don't matter for the applications of medium-duty trucks, so these heavier vehicles use open C-channel frames. There is not one design which is better for all applications.
We all need to see a H.O f350 crew Cab pulling the Ike!
I build custom truck beds for those and pretty much any other truck that somebody may want to pay for.
And I thought Chevy copied Ford, High Country? Dang the Ford Silverado that’s getting GM back! Andre might have got that wrong, but he’s still the best of the best in the truck review business, I knew he meant King Ranch. Honestly I’m not a bit interested in beast like this, just watched because it’s Andre and TFL!!!
I've been asking Ford GMC and Dodge on their social media websites to put air ride cab / air!!!!! seat !!!
our roads are more dilapidated than ever and we use these for work every day like semis for the past 30 years there has been nothing but bad backs because of these vehicles we could use this same technology in the F-150s that people use for hauling all kinds of things around all day for their jobs not just driving it back and forth this is coming from a towing operator who has experience not another soccer dad asking for another cup holder
Buy this truck if you want a sore back! I’d love to see a super Ike on it!
I see more super duties on the road than any other brand.
How reliable are Ford's modern diesel engines? I know there was one that got a bad reputation for reliability in the 2000's.
Ford built this one and it’s very reliable
Pretty good diesel engines. Cummins, outside of 2022, is still “best” for longevity, but this powerstroke is solid
6.7 is good. 6.0 is problems, but salvageable. 6.4 is absolute trash.
I can't speak for the other diesel engines from Ford but this 6.7 version from Ford has been known to be very reliable. At least the engine itself has been.
The problems aren't so much the engines themselves when there are issues. It's the emissions systems that are "typically" the issues. Or, they (Ford as well as other brands like Chevy, Dodge, Jeep, and others) have had issues with the Bosch (the brand Bosch) CP4 fuel injection pumps essentially just giving out or self destructing and sending metal shards all throughout the fuel system including the fuel injectors and so on. When this happens with Ford pickups, it's typically an $11k or $15k repair bill because they have to replace the entire fuel system from the tank, all the lines, the low and high pressure fuel pumps, the injection pump, the injectors, and so on.
Plus the labor. Yuck.
It has been argued that one of the main reasons that this happens is because the diesel fuel in America is of very poor or "low" quality and as a result, the diesel fuel doesn't lubricate the components like it should. As such, it causes too much friction which results in problems way WAY earlier than there should be.
Not only is there a problem with this part of the pickup but also, the DPF (diesel particulate filter) in the exhaust system and also the DEF (diesel exhaust fluid) system has been problematic in many pickups. This is actually more of a problem in many RAM or Dodge pickups but Ford has these issues as well. Unfortunately, these systems are not "cheap" to repair or replace if there are issues. But also, they can cause problems with the engine that may not necessarily be the engine's fault but since these things have an effect on how the engine operates and/or runs, then these systems become an "indirect" problem and people end up blaming the engine when the engine itself isn't the problem to begin with.
One main reason why this 6.7 engine has been known to be more reliable than some of the other engines that Ford put in their pickups is simply due to better design when it comes to the amount of bolts the engine uses to keep the head mated to the engine block or deck surface. These engines use 6 bolts per cylinder like the older 7.3 Powerstroke diesels had that were actually an International engine that Ford used. The other engines that were International engines that Ford used in the pickups and other trucks were the 6.0 and the 6.4 which have been known to be a complete disaster although the 6.0 can be built to be a pretty good or "more reliable" engine if you know what to do for modifications and so on.
One of the main reasons that the 6.0 and 6.4 were "not good" is because they only had 4 bolts per cylinder holding the head in place. Less bolts means less holding force and when you put a turbo into the mix to create even more pressures into the combustion chambers, the results are not good to say the least. You have head lifting or tenting issues where the heads "lift" or warp and cause issues with cylinder pressure loss, cooling system issues, and a combination of things that results in just a poor running engine.
With the 6.4, they added an additional turbo for a total of 2 so do the math there to see what makes sense for an already "not great" engine. A "not great" outcome. The 6.4 was only used for 2 years and was abandoned. There's a good reason why.
A lot of Ford diesel lovers are "fans" of the 7.3 Powerstroke which had 6 bolts per cylinder. And even though it had it's own fair share of issues here and there, the "the most part", this engine has been known to be very reliable and have very little costs as far as maintenance. Although power is lacking in comparison to today's diesel engines, if you spend just a few hundred dollars on a dial type of chip or tuner, add some 4" exhaust from the turbo all the way back, and add a few other mods for around $1000 or maybe a little more or a little less, you can easily add another 25% to 30% power to these engines and keep them reliable. That gets you to probably at least about 75% to 80% of the power of today's pickups or ones that have come out in the last 3 years or newer.
That's pretty good in comparison to what today's trucks are costing to purchase and maintain.
For reference, the 6.0 Powerstroke diesel engine that was put in Ford vehicles was from mid 2003 all the way to 2007. The 6.4 Powerstroke diesel was from 2008 to 2010. In 2011 they came out with the newer 6.7 Powerstroke diesel engine that is solely a Ford engine and not International.
Due to there being more of them that were in production, my guess is that you are thinking of the 6.0 that has the "bad reputation" but the reality is, it's the 6.4 that has an even "badder" reputation. It was really a disaster for so many reasons.
As I eluded to earlier, fortunately, since there has been so many of the 6.0 motors put in pickups and more and more people modified them, there has been a very good understanding about these engines and there is plenty of information all over regarding how to build these engines to last longer or simple things to get the current one to work better or be "more reliable". And also, the 6.0 actually has a stronger bottom end so the base engine itself isn't a horrible starting point as long as you're willing to invest a little bit of money and probably get a new set of heads and put new head gaskets in it and make sure the block deck is as flat as can be and do a few other things to it.
I have never personally owned a newer 6.7 but I've done enough research to know that many people like the engine itself for many reasons. It's just the rest of the "stuff" around it that is causing most of the problems.
Also, another issue is simply people's lack of "proper" maintenance. A lot of people think they can get away with doing a 9k or 10k oil change interval and 15k to 20k or higher fuel filter change intervals when the reality is, they shouldn't be going over 5k or possibly 6k or maybe 7k at most for the oil changes and doing fuel filters AT LEAST every other oil change or along with every oil change. Although this definitely adds more costs to your maintenance, it's a lot cheaper than a $10k or $11k or higher repair bill.
@@TheRichardc88any more info on emissions delete for it?
We have 4 2022s at my job , all needed new oil pan gaskets before 5000 miles, truck makers just don't care anymore
What's the one bad thing Andre? Price?
High country! Wash your mouth!!! 😂
80k isnt that bad for that much capability...
I want a white one with an aluminum flatbed
I'm surprised at the price. I figured it would be +$100,000 for a work truck that can last you +300,000 miles.
My favorite truck put a aluminum body with a rack and a gooseneck and a three car carrier and I can make money!!!
That is a REAL TRUCK! Great video!
You mean besides the self-grenading CP4 fuel pump? Hehe.
It’s not the coolest. By any stretch. But it’s nice and I do like it. But id be looking at a Ram limited if I were looking for a loaded CC.
Ford needs to make an F600 of these with the extended & crew cabs.
They do have some they’re rare tho
2500 and 3500 are still light duty that is a med duty truck.
Where are the temporary mud flaps? Naughty!
So what’s the deal with such a power reduction on the standard 6.7? You say 330hp/950tq as if ford never released the 6.7 with 475hp/1050tq. Changing things up isn’t that odd, but the fact that ford doesn’t list the numbers when “building a truck” and it seems to be avoided here tells me they didn’t get something right scaled back. What is it?
Longevity. High mileage. It's not a highly stressed engine at these lower numbers. The torque is still very very decent on this engine. If you want an engine to work hard and last ...this is it.
You also have to think as well, that a lot of these trucks are used for maintenance purposes. Utility line repair and most often that lower output diesel engine can handle longer durations of running at a higher idle to operate the hydrolic systems while on service calls. Where a high output is more designed for consistent towing. The 550/650 are mainly a payload truck for service vehicle applications.
Medium duty trucks have never had high output engines other than a few special hauler chassis IH and Freightliners. If you own a biz and you turn employees loose speed, shortened tire and whole vehicle life, and worst mpg are not your needs. The emissions testing is with high load, un like pickup bedded trucks, and that figures into max HP and torque. If you drop max engine speed with no other tuning changes you get reduced HP.
I get why someone may want a detuned cab and chassis. I don’t get why they wouldn’t at least offer a HO or even standard output powerstroke. Just let the customer order what he wants!
There is nothing being avoided or hidden. Engine specifications are clearly published in the Ford online specs for each product line, and of course heavier vehicles get engines tuned for lower peak output and higher reliability.
I can't believe Ford doesn't offer this truck in the "High Country" trim.