Championship Bowling: Carmen Salvino vs Dick Weber 1963
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- Here is an episode of the classic televised bowling series Championship Bowling. It features two titans within the sport of bowling Carmen Salvino and Dick Weber!
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Man would my dad love to be able to watch these old classics. Dad was a bowling fanatic! RIP pop.
AWW, man, so sorry to hear. I hope he is watching how you speak of him highly. Sorry to hear about his passing.
Absolute vintage masterclass. Thank God for CZcams or I'd never be able to see this.
This right here is way more entertaining than the big time wrestling antics of today's bowlers and spectators.
This is SO good . . . so much better than today's PBA bowling, in my opinion: but of course, this was back in "my era". But I love the fact that they bowl 3 games, that the audience is quiet and respectful, that the bowlers and announcers (and some audience) wore coat and ties . . . it was just a different time.
So many positives, as you’ve mentioned. Fred Wolf on the microphone, was a little too redundant for my taste. Less talk from Fred would have improved the broadcast. Weber, Salvino, Carter, Bluth, etc… all of the greats from my childhood. It’s hard to believe that classy Dick Weber raised less than classy Pete Weber.
Yes i agree,
Why do you need to wear a tie at a bowling alley?
@@marcschneider4845 Because that's what people did in the past, so it must be better. You must be new to CZcams comment areas.
Top bowlers once wore ties while bowling.
My Dad had the honor to play with Dick Weber. Even got a custom ball from him. I was only 7 at the time but he was a class act. Very friendly
Notice that there are only two Balls on the rack not like today were pros COME to a tournament with thirty or more balls
Hey Rich--you must have some wild dreams.
@@douglasday4424 sorry Doug. Telling the truth. This was back in the early 60’s. My father was a very good bowler. So these aren’t dreams my friend, just fond memories.
Many thanks for uploading this gem.
Respectful, factual commentators, great sportsmanship, entertainment, no overwhelming ads on shirts, no after game bs analysis.
Plain oldie but goodie.
Carmen Salvino, Dick Webber, Nelson Burton Jr., Marshall Holman, Mark Roth, these were the bowlers I remember being on TV every weekend when we were lucky enough to get matches (ABC's Wide World of Sports?). Earl Anthony was my mothers favorite.
Working night shift as a nurse in a hospital. Bowling was big topic at work. We all watched it
Also Don Carter.
My younger brother and I NEVER missed this show!!! We looked forward to it every weekend and got to see some of the greatest 10-pin bowlers of all-time. Carmen was a great showman! Always loved when he was on the show.
He still is! I call him on the phone at times. He is a wealth of knowledge and great guy! Bowls in his mid 80's!!
@@bobfishnut He celebrated his 88th birthday last month and is still kicking butt
I got Dick Weber's autograph back in the late 60s early 70s in junior bowling in Michigan he even gave me a few pointers teaching me how to release the ball correctly. It was tough bowling in front of my friends and having Dick teach me how fun.
One of the best matches of all time !!!
I so love these. The animated reactions by the players and the colorful commentary by the announcer is phenomenal. I'm watching them all.
I remember growing up in the 60’s and watching championships bowling and these were Two of the legends. Bowled in my first league when I was 9. You actually kept score on paper. Great memories. I actually bowled against Mark Roth when I was 17. Great memories
How I wish we still kept score on paper! Automatic scoring is the worst thing that ever happened to bowling.
@@rowlffffff
Agreed!
Rowl, obviously you have lost your mind. You are a dumbass.
@@sludge4125 = 💩
...says the dumb ass.
@@sludge4125 keeping score by hand gave some of us somthing to do in between frames. I actually miss it.
Great video. My idol Dick Weber (who I bowled with once) against the great showman Carmen Salvino. Really enjoyed this, including the interview afterwards. Nice job!!!
Thanks for publishing this.
Very exciting! Thanks for posting, Irishpogi.
Carmen probably had smoothest delivery of any bowler, then or now. He was a joy to watch. I even got to see him live in an ABC tourney.
Don't forget smooth as silk Nelson Burton jr.!
Salvino came in and did a session back when I went to PBA qualifying school nearly 25 years ago. He is heck of an entertainer.
Told a lot of stories about being on tour. I remember his talk better than anything else they told us then...lol
Cool. Love classic bowling 🎳
OMG now this is true bowling at its finest, isn't it amazing that these pros only used 1 bowling ball rather then multiple balls to accommodate for the lane condition. These bowlers nowadays need to watch and learn!!
Dawg rubber balls literally had negligible hook. Thats why they didn't need to move or adjust. Every great game has to evolve ffs.
Simple hard rubber balls back then. Today’s ball and lane conditions lend themselves to bowlers needing two balls(plastic)for the spare ball. I’d love to see a pro tournament where they can only use one ball.
I aired in our area on Sunday afternoon I was 8 Weber was my hero I would run home from church every Sunday to watch
Been watching a lot of PBA games on here lately and honestly... the first game in this video is a better and more close rivalry than most I've seen in the more modern videos. The video quality is a bit low but back in the 60s this was top notch.... and to be honest the video coverage of this match is quite well done. Very enjoyable to watch. And that's coming from a 37 year old man who never knew any of these old dudes before now lol. Only came here to watch because I've seen some videos of Dick's son, Pete Weber. Fun to watch his Dad bowl at a very high level of skill.
I am sorry about the video quality. I am not tech savvy and it took me years to learn how to take video files and digitize them.
@@irishpogi No need to apologize. This is very old video and there's probably very little you could do to improve it's quality.
I believe Dick Webber came in 2nd!! and got himself a $500 check!!! he's amazing. really good bowler!!! Love watching him. Had a good career. Can't remember his career earnings but it had to be close to $800,000 dollars
@@irishpogi great job digitizing this classic. what a era of bowling it was in the 60's
Dick Weber was one of my bowling Heroes and I enjoyed watching him every Saturday on the pro bowlers tour and Carmen salvino he always was a clown but he was a really true professional as well as Dick Weber
Ken Rozmislowicz Dick Weber was all class, not the ass his son is.
Dick Weber was quite the potty mouth, but he knew when to turn it off.
Great to see these two legends go at it.
I remember seeing live on TV :)))
I heard that Chris Schenkle called a few of the earlier episodes, before he became the voice of ABC's Pro Bowlers Tour.
Both Fred wolf and Chris schenkel were both good bowling broadcasters.
Wow...what memories. Ron Winger and Dave Soutar went on to have very good careers; Davey's was a little bit better. To watch a relatively young Dick Weber and Carmen Salvino bowl...priceless! They were great champions. Dick Weber was the best spokesperson the sport of bowling ever had.
Agreed
And this is why I post this kind of footage.
Thank you
Thank you Irishpogi!
I love how the announcer keeps saying “Ron Winger of Los Angeles”. Not to confuse it with Ron Winger of Miami of course. 🤣🤣🤣
Great video of an amazing match. Big fan of Dick Weber.
I get some of the "bowling is boring" nonsense..I mean honestly most sports are unless you are playing them. However, the commentary really builds the speed and suspense making it very fun to watch.
I believe Fred Wolf great behind the mic
And, many say Roth was the first ‘Cranker’ I disagree, was Carmen’s delivery at release.
Una verdadera joya del Bowling Mundial
Weber in those days was the prototypical "suitcase" bowler. Very little crank and follow through. They all took that approach back then as the conditions and ball materials sort of dictated it. The 70's changed all of that ... which was my era.
Ron Winger was from the Los Angeles area and I used to bowl in some leagues with him. One of the better bowlers to come out of LA back in the 60s.
Back when they threw rubber balls. The pin machine looks like the same one still in use in a small farm town I used to live in.
They did this with hard rubber balls on wood lanes. No polyurethane lanes, resin balls, or strange oil patterns.
Jay Hooks Exactly. I’ve had the same ball for 25 years-had a 779 with it last year. Forget the new ball, take some lessons instead
Back in the days when bowled with one rubber ball and not a dozen or more like today.
I always bowled with two balls. 🎳 🎳🎱🎱🍒
Funny, the wiki article on Carmen says these guys never met in a televised match till the '88 Showboat Senior Invitational! (Dunno, maybe they're only counting live TV?)
Wikipedia is wrong.
For a championship that is correct. Not till 1988. Wikipedia is correct.
I remember watching that match live.
I am pretty sure they were referring to pba matches only.
I remember when Carmon came to Laredo lanes in Chicago to dedicate the first New Brunswick 2000 lanes.
The amazing part is they only use one rubber ball the entire match, whereas the pros now, put 4-5 balls on the return and use them for various situations. These guys had to constantly adjust
This is the same center where Sean Rash won his first PBA title. Just a few years later.
You're idea of a few years later is scary. Rash wasn't born until 1982.
Stryker Pretty sure he was joking.
I recently posted Sean's first ever win on the PBA tour on CZcams
Wow back when people were much more thin & healthy. Goes to show you what all the processed food and fast food (more people spending more meals away from home) has done to our health.
At least these old schoolers knew how to pick up their spares. Regardless of what anybody says, bowling is still a game of spare.
This really looks like I’m watching the bowling version of the Minnesota Lakers playing the 4 corners offense. It hardly looks like the game that I play today. All due respect for these titans of the sport, but I like the modern game much more. Having to figure out a sport pattern is one of the difficult feats of modern sport today. Guys are much more athletic today and are forced to be super versatile to execute at the highest level of sport. But for real, shooting 250 on wood lanes with a Black Beauty is a hell of an achievement.
Today there are 100s of balls to use compared to then. Are you kidding?
AMF Amflite for Weber.
Having to split boards is much more difficult than today's conditions...
@@bobby_c7671 They could wall up the lanes pretty well back then if they wanted to shoot high scores.
@@bobby_c7671 AND getting the ball to hit and carry once it entered the pocket ESPECIALLY when playing deeper angles
Salvino still bowling in 2020 at the OPEN...get em kid.
He's a great friend I have and we call each other often. He's helping me and a number of friends I have become better bowlers. What a great guy and ambassador for the sport!
@@bobfishnut that hop after each shot is great for the audience... So 😎 😎 😎.
Yeah, Tom, he averaged 150. At 87 years old!
@@sludge4125 bowl with guy like that. He is 82... Three league... Ave 160 with 16 lb rubber Manhattan.
Tournament of Champions, (maybe the Open also, but T of C for sure).
Interesting. Nobody actually wiped the ball off. Just the hands. Very fast paced. And very little spin. More of a slight twirl. One more interesting thing , if 2 pins are left the pin setting machine has all the pins going up and down and resets only the 2. Nowadays only 2 pins are in the pin setter.
Carmen's moves are hilarious. His speech/stand-up at the Hall of Fame dinner the other night was great.
"I had so many revs. It looked like a blur. There was smoke, coming out of the lane."
"I would bowl guys who had fingertip balls, and by the end of the match they were conventional grip. They'd be squeezing the ball so hard, in fear."
"Where's Belmonte? I want your ass!"
sonofnothing LMAO! That's great!
He's totally hilarious and I love him. I get to talk to him frequently as a friend. He's been helping me and my friends bowl beat his home and rolled out the first ball at our inaugural tournament 2 years ago. I'm fortunate to know him and gain a wealth of knowledge from him from his love for the game, bowling and his continued work in engineering on making new balls. Very honored to know him.
@@bobfishnut he recently turned 90! God bless him and his wife Ginny.
Back when they used to oil the lanes with a spray bottle. Can you imagine that today.
Some of those old lane techs were geniuses with a spray bottle. You could put out all kinds of interesting shots with the right incentive...back when hustling was a very real thing for pretty big money.
OR A BUG GUN
I'm in St. Louis and I cannot find where the Webers home bowling center was. Anyone know what their home center was?
Why is the audio only on one side?
25:45 Throws the ball , goes to ball return , gets down on both knees and prays !! Ha Ha Ha Haaa ha Haaa!! 😂
I have a pic with Dick Weber when I was 8. Also Bo burton and Chris Schenkle
lol..I just noticed you posted this Pogi! this was awesome to watch. Hopefully you are still watching ABT too?
Yes
I may be making another trip to Denver in the spring of 2024
5:45 a "fudge nudger" is when a strike is made by the (for a right-hander) two-pin hitting the four and seven pins from the left side. But remember this was filmed in 1963, so don't Google this term because the term today is definitely NSFW.
Why bring this up? Literally nobody mentioned anything about it. Enjoy the bowling.
I thought that was interesting. I started bowling in the early 70s and never heard that. We called it a trip 4.
When was the last time you saw so many people dressed up to watch bowling?
Back when America was great because Americans were great. Regular church attendance was at an all-time high at this time in American history.
And Jim Crow was still alive.
and not fat!!
@@sludge4125Thank God, cause it kept the riff raff out.
Yup. When folks have enough self respect to not leave home in their pajamas, unshaven and unwashed.
Unlike PDW, DW didn’t see the need for any crotch-chops or load-mouthed BS.
It's amazing to see how the sport has grown up over time a lot more high hooking lot more different oil patterns and a lot of higher and different types of swings and releases
Yet much easier to score. Pathetic, really.
Many of todays stars would get eaten alive on those conditions.
Sport hasn't grown up, plastic balls, lanes, pins....and most of the players are sure not grown up. Throwing a bowling ball with 2 hands, as messed up as most other things today
@@ITILII What's wrong with throwing two handed? I can watch and enjoy bowling 30 years before I was around, but gee wiz.
Dick Webber came into the restaurant I was working as a server with his wife and 2 other couples. They insisted on separate checks which was fine. His check came to $52.00 and he left me a $4.00 tip. Big shot bowler.
Good bowler, cheapskate tipper.
@@leestamm3187 DID NOT HAVE THE PRIZE FUNDS BACK THEN A LOT OF THEM WORKED JOBS AND BOWLED WEEKENDS
@@chuckschafer942 I'm aware of that, but I would have left a bigger tip on a $52.00 check. $5.20 would've been rock bottom at 10%, even in those days.
Dick told me you were a pathetic pussified pantywaisted little pissant. You're lucky to get a tip at all.
It's Weber, not Webber. Just like you're a whiner. Not a winner. 😅
I grew up loving these guys bowling but, it drives me crazy how they could not post a shot if their lives depended on it. I know their statistics but, it still amazes me how well they did.
Alot of flip @ turn in those days.
You don't know what you're taking about.
@@20alphabet I think he's commenting on the fact that these people do not keep their trail legs on the floor as they release the ball. What was more important during this time period is putting something on the ball so that the ball can enter the pocket at a good enough angle considering they were playing a deep third arrow shot.
Before there was Chris Schenkel, there was Fred Wolf.
holy smokes that run they got on in first game! 14 in a row to end it…..wow. yeah, ive seen that on the last 2 shows i watched a few years back, some guy chucking ball with 2 hands vs some guy throwing the ball crazy. lame.
Pretty sure Dick Weber is from Indianapolis, not St. Louis.
Classy guy. His son, not so much.
Pure entertainment lmfao
This is what you called track bowling on wood lanes.
Something the old timers seem to never mention.
I do not get the math. Dick Weber's 3 game total (702) is higher than Carmen's (697). How come he is behind Carmen?
I believe this was the second half of a 6 game match. Salvino had a lead after the first 3 games. They mentioned scores of over 1300 by the other players which is a little difficult in only 3 games. :-)
@@pa28cfi The said early in the telecast what each had for the first 3.
Where's Randy?
MOM DAD LOOK !!!
I remember participating in a real Pro-Am back in the 80's at a bowling house called "10 Pin on the Mall" in New Jersey. Back then, we bowled with the real pros - Marshall Holman, Dick Weber, and the great Earl Anthony. I met Mark Roth there and I had signed to bowl with him, since I admired him. Boy! was I wrong!. Mr. "Plastic Ball" turned out to be a perfect snob and a disgusting human being. He was rude as hell to me and I immediately removed my name from the list to bowl with him and bowled with Marshall Holman instead. Roth is gone now and I never shed one tear for that jerk!
15:30, after a great match like that Dave didn't have much to say! SMH! I think he was in the wrong line of work!
AMF 82-30s, 5850 or 6525(??) chassis.
What would be the difference?
@@edclegg1523 Not too much as far as what the bowler can observe. But if I recall correctly the 6525 had a significant number of mechanical & electrical improvements over the 5850 chassis. However, the differences between the 3930 & 4400 chassis vs. the 5850 & 6525 chassis can be easily spotted: on a strike cycle, the 3930/4400 tables will not descend until the sweep is completely forward. The 5850/6525 tables descend simultaneously with the sweep moving forward.
@@NipkowDisk Excellent, thank you for your reply. I think I've seen the action you describe regarding the table descending on the 5850/6525 model. It always seems the head pin is going to hit the sweep as it lowers to the lane. One second off and Bam!, mechanical failure!
Cheers.
@@edclegg1523 True indeed. There's a YT video or two showing several strikes fairly close-up and the 5850/6525's operation; the table and sweep do get VERY close.
3:22 😂
The golden ages of real bowling with real bowlers. Notice they only used 1 ball not 25 like they use today. All depended on accuracy and spare making. Also no two handers, rap music, tiny trophies, blue oil, coaching, etc nothing like that!
Golden ages? More like boring ages. Its basically bowling with a plastic ball, and everyone is on point with the spares in the pba in today's game. Harder patterns now a days as well
@@aidenjaxhernandez You must be one of these two handers who fluff the ball all over the place and expect to be PBA superstar. Pathetic. That is like calling Carter, Weber, Burton Jr, Johnson, Salvino, etc suck bowlers.
@@mr.aerial1885 nope, actually hate 2 handers, but besides that bowling is better now than it was here. I'm sorry to inform you this.
@@aidenjaxhernandez No sorry - as a bowler and historian of the game it was much much more prestige back then. 1. No blue oil - you had to find the shots. 2. No over inflated averages. A 300 game in league was rare and made the entire league stop to watch it. Today you have four or five 300 games in one league night and no one cares any longer. A 210 average meant something really good. Today everyone in league averages 240+ and they want easier conditions. 3. The PBA tour was consistent. They had a Winter tour, a Summer tour, and a Fall tour. The money on the winter tour was minimum $27,000 for first with some more than that. The entry was around $200. Everyone bowled 42 games and the TV finals were on main networks like ABC and ESPN. Today they are just on crap small cable channels in different times. 4. There was no rap music in between shots. Bowling as in golf was a concentration sport. Today in more resembles wrestling. 5. Coaches were not seen. Today you have coaches telling the bowlers what to do in front of national audiences making the bowler look stupid and confused - given some coaches are great bowlers - (Mack, Ballard, Warren, etc) it should not be allowed. 6. There are 25 new bowling balls every day. Most don't last 2 weeks. The tracks wear down quickly (marks on the track area). Back then you could not make any marks on those old balls. 7. The people in the audiences were well behaved. Now they clown around. 8. There were many more prestigious leagues and tournaments back then. Each area had good scratch leagues, travel leagues, and full house leagues. Today that has been cut in half. Most centers lack a good scratch league now. The former National Championship had 100 games of qualifying. The PBA had PTQ (Rabbit squads) for those new or younger members to qualify for the tours before exemptions. 9. Today they even bowl in tennis shoes. The bowling shoe was made for good sliding and comfort plus it would not leave marks on the approaches. Other types of shoes can leave rubber marks which one can stick on. I can go on and on and on. Today the PBA is a JOKE. It is all about two handed, backup balls, and pure stupidity. It now resembles the roller derby or pro wrestling.
And also no versatility. There's something special about watching the game in its early years, but make no mistake, modern bowlers are far more talented with how many more things you have to be good at. This is generally true in all sports.
Back in the days when the ball didn't do all the work.
Dick was from Indianapolis. I don’t know why he wouldn’t admit it. Even his Bio says birthplace “United States”. Very suspicious.
so, how is it that Weber loses? He beat Carmen two of three games and had a higher series (?)
it was a competition that awarded the win to the guy with the highest 3 game series
Math...
these were added to their previous 3 game series. Carmen went 1380 something, Dick went 1372.
Now it takes 24-48 games against about 150 other bowlers to get to the finals.
He did win the match, they gave him $500 for that, but Carmen advance to the championship with a chance at $10,000 because his 6 game total (3 games bowled a previous week) was higher.
I wonder how good Pete was back then.
Not born yet.
@@pastorbillwhite4245 He was born in 1962.
Pete was a baby
@@irishpogi Probably not very good then!
Pete was only averaging 175 then.. he was one years old!! 😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡😎
I CAME TO SEE PETE...HELLO
GivesAShit. Goodbye.
Dr12-30-2022
Lmao the whole time
Why did they make Dave Soutar attend his own funeral while still alive? Even the announcer was burying him ......
How can you tell which bowler is which?
You need to use your brain.
Or in your case, ask someone.
@@TheBatugan77 Dude. Look at their backs. It's a joke.
5:15 Men watching bowling in suits and ties. Women watching bowling in dresses and high heels.
Fantastic. Shot making not reactive ,nor symmetrical or asymmetrical lol
Only $1000 to the winner, omg
This was worth a lot more in 1963
@@irishpogi Hard to fathom that bowlers were paid so little. OMG. Cost of everything has gone up, they need to have paid them more in '63 so they can afford things now!
Fudgenudger? Lmfao
back when you could have a gay time at the bowling alley.
I love Dick Weber (and Pete) but Dick could hardly lay over a 5 pin.
He was known for coming across from the side walls to pick up the 5 pins.
"The No. 1 Bowling Show, Which Isn't Saying A Fuck Of A Lot"
Looks like convicts at a jail cell
Are you referring to the bowlers who are competing? What makes you say that?
Well, I wouldn't exactly call it exciting. But, it is, after all, bowling.
You're hard to please!
Paul Money Amen!
If it's not exciting to you, then why make a comment "Saw Nose"?
I don't think anything on TV was very exciting back then.
Well, fortunately, a video need not be exciting in order to comment on it.
Jurassic Park dinosaurs are more real than this championship round. Sloppy editing even considering the period. This seems like a collage of shots previously recorded and scripted by Dick Weber to make it as exciting as possible. The crowd were just paid actors who were happy just to be in front of a camera. They even revealed themselves at 26:15 when the announcer stated: "So, the greatest actor in bowling Carmen Salvino" is not just a coincidence. These guys were talented bowlers...but this is a clear montage produced by two of PBA's founding members. Also they were known hi-ranked freemasons. I'm surprised the TV pair was not lane 33 and 34...Yes, like 33rd degree freemason.
Its really stupid while all bowlers back then were making the devils sign unknowingly by extending their pointers and pinkies they were dumb enough to put their first names and last names on the back of their shirts. How does that make any real sense anyway? Isn't that as stupid and ridiculous as police saying on their cars police as if know one is smart enough to know that is who they are?
John Carpenter bro ur weird lol
yikes...
Fucking idiot ..
Small dong johnny c, stay in school and do the best you can. The world needs custodians and laborers, too.
Issues,bro.....issues
Can't listen to this announcer anymore, repeating himself every 5 seconds. Bye.
The mute button is your pal
Well? BYE!
Weber was vastly overrated. He threw a weak ball
Yet he still scored. How do you account for that?
He won 26 PBA titles. Plus more on the Seniors tour. He bowled against everyone. From the Father of the power game, Mark Roth. To the tip toe man in Don Carter; to The left- handed doomsday strike machine in Earl Anthony. And yes, he bowled Walter Ray and little boy Pete. You don't get more pins putting hundreds of revolutions of the ball. If that were the case, the two handers would have never lost a game. Proving that two handers are human too,
@@jerrynash8920 The good old days when as a youth bowler you could leave the 4-5-7 two or three times a game!
@lenddrury
He bowled a weak 250.
You post weak comments.
What's a matter for you? Fred Wolfe had a nice alley in the east D subs. for years.
Pete Weber looks and bowls like his Dad!!
Looks yes, you can definitely see it but Pete had to completely change his game away from what his dad did to get great in the urethane and reactive era. Dick was a classic "suitcase" bowler. Pete became a cranker
@@wingracer1614 I was a Dick Weber suitcase bowler. My Father owned a bowling alley when I was a kid, so I bowled on a high level for a few years. 🎳😊
@@iseektruth7435 I had never been a bowler until I got a job at the AMF plant. One of the perks was I had access to a mountain of company made videos. I learned to bowl from a Dick Weber video and how to layout/drill from a bunch of Mo Pinel vids.