@@popjibbletzIts because of the two 3's on the top left, the 3 blocks always have to be joined across the row, causing a contradiction with the two 7's down the columns.
I've never come across a puzzle which HAS to use that technique - however there are some where I've just happened to use a similar "if-this-then-that" and "that=contradiction" to solve an area, but again, it has never been mandatory, only ever optional.
I’m having trouble understanding the technique with the 7’s on the first two columns,,is that the border technique.l it was so fast I didn’t get time to process what he was saying and having watched it a few times I am still confused,,,if anyone can help me I’d appreciate it,, I can solve the easy and medium ones with no trouble but…the harder ones..hmm… that’s why I’m looking at this video,,,help please someone,
@@Soffity yeah, it confused me at first too, but figured it out: 1) start off by putting the column of 7 at the very top. 2) now look at numbers for the first row. the first number is 3. the ONLY way to manage that is to start the second column of 7 at the very top. so now, both columns of 7 are at the very top. now, look down a few rows. you see that highlighted 1? but that is now impossible to accomplish when the two columns of 7 are at the top. because you have two spots filled, when there should only be one.... I hope I was clear enough to help you understand it.
to add on to your first statement, when starting a 10x10 puzzle for example you can start by looking for a single 10, obviously, then you can look for 2 numbers that add to 9, then 3 numbers that add to 8, and so on. These work because if you have three numbers in a clue box, that means there are 2 gaps between the shaded cells. If the numbers in the clue also add to 8, that is literally 10 with 2 gaps. So if you have 3, 4, 1 in a clue box you know it is 3 (gap) 4 (gap) 1 which adds to 8 shaded cells with 2 gaps. Let me know if i am making it confusing and i will explain. its a really neat trick, and i call these clues “golden nons” also i wonder if you will read this comment two years later
This helps a lot to solve bigger squares, like 25x25. If you have 2 5 12 in a line, the sum is 21, adding the 2 gaps between them. So you have 4 gaps ( 25 - 21 = 4 ). You can know for sure 8 black squares from the block if 12 (12 - 4 = 8) and 1 from the 5 size block ( 5 - 4 = 1). This is very usedul in 25x25 nonograms.
I love how I solved over 100 tough nonogram puzzles and I just started watching tutorials yet all of those techniques I am aware of except for one. The reason I needed this video coz I am stuck at a very hard level and those techniques ain't helpful at all. P.S.: ik no one cares
Another technique is : if you have 1 1 1 2 3 etc. as hints, and the 5th or 6th square is black, you can assume that it os a 1, and put X before and after the cell, because it is one of the three inicial 1's.
1:47 has to be wrong though. When you have a 6 you can directly mark both center squares (on 10x10 puzzles). Notice that those two 6s contradict your five. The solution is (1 2 3 4 5 x x 8 9 x)
@@d.g2284 I don't even remember having writing this comment and I'm not going to watch the video again to prove I'm right, so I'll just accept your opinion. thank you
I dont get the bordering method because you can have the a 7 on the first column if you can put 7 on the seconds column starting from the bottom. Edit: I still dont get it. At 2:07, the first column can start on the top and the seconc column can start on the bottom making it possible for black to be in columns 1 row 1 and column 1 row 2
The reason the 7 on the first column can't start from the top is because, if that was the case, then the 3 on the first row should start from the top left corner, which means the 7 on the second column also starts from the top (beginning from the second black square of the 3). And that can't be the case because there's a 1 on the third row (as the video shows). Hope this helps, it's hard to explain in words.
Can someone better explain the final technique at 1:59? I don't see how we get to "we can deduce that the top two cells of the first column are white"? I don't see how that solves the dilemma, as the columns of 7 can still be arranged to create an issue on row 3 (the row with the issue). Edit: Changed timestamp.
If one of these 2 cells is black, then it causes the 1 on the third row to break. That doesn’t solve the dilemma for the 7s, but it helps us make some progress.
@@puzzleteam5730 Thanks for clarifying. I was confused by the wording of the explanation (both here in this video, and in other online resources explaining this). Perhaps a better way to explain (and maybe other wills understand it better this way), is to say: 1) In column 1, if you start the group of 7 at the top cell, you are then "contracted" to mark the cell at the top of column 2 (because of the 3 designation for row 1) 2) This means that column 2 must also start its group of 7 at the top cell. 3) But doing step 2 will create a conflict on row 3, which expects the cell in column 2 to be empty (because of the 1 designation at the start of that row) 4) Therefore, the first cell of row 1 must be empty The same rules 1-4 apply to row 2, thus the first cell of row 2 must also be empty.
@@puzzleteam5730 But couldn't it be switched around? That the 7 in the first column could start from thebottom, and the 7 in the second column start from the top?
@@Sleivert No, because if the seven in the first column started at the bottom, the bottom row shows that we need that 2 squares together, and the seven in the second column would also have to start at the bottom. This can't happen because then we couldn't get the one in the third row.
@@josephjoestar6059 The 1 doesn't need to be on the edge. It just comes before the 2. So that 1 can come on any of the first 7 spaces on that row. (except the first 2, because of the two 7's on the first 2 columns.
It starts with the middle 6, because no matter where you place the 8, those will always be black. You count X spaces from the right edge to find the farthest space if it started at the right edge, then X spaces fromt he left to find the farthest space if i started at the left edge. Then, if those edges meet or pass at the middle, any of the spaces between them will always be black.
Can someone help me with the border technique o think it’s called, the one with the 7 in the first two columns,, I can see why they both can’t start at the top but then the cotton wool brain kicks in.. ,help please 🤞
If the first 7 starts at the top, the bordering will tell you that the 3 on the first row starts at the edge, thus telling you that both 7's, as well as the 4 on the third column starts at the top. This will conflict with the third row. as the 1 needs to stand alone, with an 'x' on either side.
It says "advanced" in the title, it's the fault of the people if they come here without understanding the beginner steps (Or are you talking about the people? That they should start with the easier ones)
@@Braminam no I think it's the fault of the people, this was easy. But I'm saying they should explain it a bit better as the whole point of the video is to explain easier, no matter how people understand
Just play the game and all of these will come naturally. If you start out don't use these techniques just play as you go. You will start with like 5x5 or 10x10 which should be easy enough, then by 15x15 you will start developing techniques and strategies, then at 20x20 or 30x30 it will mostly be muscle memory and you will do them without even thinking about it.
I like how you can come up with these techniques just by solving nonograms repetitively. They come so naturally with enough experience.
I'm sad, i thought i was a genius for finding this out alone 😂
I was like this too. Lol
Okay so apparently i figured out every technique myself by obsessively playing everyday
lol, i firgured everything after 1 week of playing with 0 tutorial
Came here to find a new method of solving
I knew all these for. Experience but I only used the last one rarely I didn't even realise it
That last technique I never found on my own, maybe I can use it on some puzzles I've been stuck on for a long time
I don't get the last one
@@popjibbletzIts because of the two 3's on the top left, the 3 blocks always have to be joined across the row, causing a contradiction with the two 7's down the columns.
I read the comments and I’m still super confused by the last technique!
I've never come across a puzzle which HAS to use that technique - however there are some where I've just happened to use a similar "if-this-then-that" and "that=contradiction" to solve an area, but again, it has never been mandatory, only ever optional.
I’m having trouble understanding the technique with the 7’s on the first two columns,,is that the border technique.l it was so fast I didn’t get time to process what he was saying and having watched it a few times I am still confused,,,if anyone can help me I’d appreciate it,, I can solve the easy and medium ones with no trouble but…the harder ones..hmm… that’s why I’m looking at this video,,,help please someone,
@@Soffity yeah, it confused me at first too, but figured it out: 1) start off by putting the column of 7 at the very top. 2) now look at numbers for the first row. the first number is 3. the ONLY way to manage that is to start the second column of 7 at the very top. so now, both columns of 7 are at the very top.
now, look down a few rows. you see that highlighted 1? but that is now impossible to accomplish when the two columns of 7 are at the top. because you have two spots filled, when there should only be one.... I hope I was clear enough to help you understand it.
to add on to your first statement, when starting a 10x10 puzzle for example you can start by looking for a single 10, obviously, then you can look for 2 numbers that add to 9, then 3 numbers that add to 8, and so on. These work because if you have three numbers in a clue box, that means there are 2 gaps between the shaded cells. If the numbers in the clue also add to 8, that is literally 10 with 2 gaps. So if you have 3, 4, 1 in a clue box you know it is 3 (gap) 4 (gap) 1 which adds to 8 shaded cells with 2 gaps. Let me know if i am making it confusing and i will explain. its a really neat trick, and i call these clues “golden nons” also i wonder if you will read this comment two years later
This helps a lot to solve bigger squares, like 25x25. If you have 2 5 12 in a line, the sum is 21, adding the 2 gaps between them. So you have 4 gaps ( 25 - 21 = 4 ). You can know for sure 8 black squares from the block if 12 (12 - 4 = 8) and 1 from the 5 size block ( 5 - 4 = 1). This is very usedul in 25x25 nonograms.
I Read this 2 years later dw
I'm reading this too
awesome video, I knew all the techniques by just playing but great for beginners. wish there was something like this for color nonograms tho
Do you know where I can find more advance techniques for very difficult nonograms? Talking like 25x25 and 30x30
you start to get technique with color nonograms as well
I have never been more confused in my life
I love how I solved over 100 tough nonogram puzzles and I just started watching tutorials yet all of those techniques I am aware of except for one. The reason I needed this video coz I am stuck at a very hard level and those techniques ain't helpful at all.
P.S.: ik no one cares
Same here .. I'm stuck on a 20×20 one and it is mind blowing
did u ever solve it?
KLOWNY 69 the thing is, some levels can't be solved with certain strategies... you have to try out stuff... so that sucks
@@MrBoomington Where exactly did u play this level?
KLOWNY 69 " nonogram - jigsaw number game." There are some veryyyyy easy levels while there are tough levels.
Another technique is : if you have 1 1 1 2 3 etc. as hints, and the 5th or 6th square is black, you can assume that it os a 1, and put X before and after the cell, because it is one of the three inicial 1's.
1:47 has to be wrong though. When you have a 6 you can directly mark both center squares (on 10x10 puzzles). Notice that those two 6s contradict your five. The solution is (1 2 3 4 5 x x 8 9 x)
You're wrong
@@d.g2284 I don't even remember having writing this comment and I'm not going to watch the video again to prove I'm right, so I'll just accept your opinion. thank you
@@pedroakjr2371you're wrong
@@123ghds probably
I agree
At 2:13 how do you know that it’s the first colum and not the second
Because if it is on the second, it’ll contradict the first three on the first two rows. Remember, the order of the numbers are important!
2:15 Um… shouldn’t the 'cross' be at column 1; row 3? There’ll still be two black spaces on columns 1 and 2; row 3.
yeah i don't get this rule. feels like chess where you actually have to look ahead a little bit. seems useful but i just don't understand it
Knew all of these from purely practice I thought I was the only one who figures these out 😅
Bordering is tough I'm doing 30x30's so it can be really hard to figure those out.
I've been extremely struggling with a nonogram puzzle. I don't really know what to do
I dont get the bordering method because you can have the a 7 on the first column if you can put 7 on the seconds column starting from the bottom.
Edit: I still dont get it. At 2:07, the first column can start on the top and the seconc column can start on the bottom making it possible for black to be in columns 1 row 1 and column 1 row 2
The reason the 7 on the first column can't start from the top is because, if that was the case, then the 3 on the first row should start from the top left corner, which means the 7 on the second column also starts from the top (beginning from the second black square of the 3). And that can't be the case because there's a 1 on the third row (as the video shows).
Hope this helps, it's hard to explain in words.
You're forced to put the second column there, because of the (3) on the first row.
Very good, I knew all these techniques. I am coding an algorithm, Most of them I already coded.
What's he mean by joining? The visual doesn't match what's stated so I guess ignore the visual nvm
i think i’m just too dumb for these puzzles. none of this makes sense to me but yet i’m great at sudoku
I am still trying to solve a 30 by 30 puzzle
Can someone better explain the final technique at 1:59? I don't see how we get to "we can deduce that the top two cells of the first column are white"? I don't see how that solves the dilemma, as the columns of 7 can still be arranged to create an issue on row 3 (the row with the issue).
Edit: Changed timestamp.
If one of these 2 cells is black, then it causes the 1 on the third row to break. That doesn’t solve the dilemma for the 7s, but it helps us make some progress.
@@puzzleteam5730 Thanks for clarifying. I was confused by the wording of the explanation (both here in this video, and in other online resources explaining this).
Perhaps a better way to explain (and maybe other wills understand it better this way), is to say:
1) In column 1, if you start the group of 7 at the top cell, you are then "contracted" to mark the cell at the top of column 2 (because of the 3 designation for row 1)
2) This means that column 2 must also start its group of 7 at the top cell.
3) But doing step 2 will create a conflict on row 3, which expects the cell in column 2 to be empty (because of the 1 designation at the start of that row)
4) Therefore, the first cell of row 1 must be empty
The same rules 1-4 apply to row 2, thus the first cell of row 2 must also be empty.
@@puzzleteam5730 But couldn't it be switched around? That the 7 in the first column could start from thebottom, and the 7 in the second column start from the top?
@@Sleivert No, because if the seven in the first column started at the bottom, the bottom row shows that we need that 2 squares together, and the seven in the second column would also have to start at the bottom. This can't happen because then we couldn't get the one in the third row.
@@josephjoestar6059 The 1 doesn't need to be on the edge. It just comes before the 2. So that 1 can come on any of the first 7 spaces on that row. (except the first 2, because of the two 7's on the first 2 columns.
i naturally learned all of these except one
This is gold
why is a robot narrating
Legend! Thanks, simple.
Yeah, i’m still lost. Or just stupid idk
Still confused. Why did the 8 become a six. Like you only filled in six
It starts with the middle 6, because no matter where you place the 8, those will always be black. You count X spaces from the right edge to find the farthest space if it started at the right edge, then X spaces fromt he left to find the farthest space if i started at the left edge. Then, if those edges meet or pass at the middle, any of the spaces between them will always be black.
Thankyou
Can someone help me with the border technique o think it’s called, the one with the 7 in the first two columns,, I can see why they both can’t start at the top but then the cotton wool brain kicks in.. ,help please 🤞
If the first 7 starts at the top, the bordering will tell you that the 3 on the first row starts at the edge, thus telling you that both 7's, as well as the 4 on the third column starts at the top. This will conflict with the third row. as the 1 needs to stand alone, with an 'x' on either side.
How the fuck do i know where the stuff will go down
how do you know the top 1st is 5 not 4!!!
The order of the numbers indicates the order of the blocks.
PuzzleTeam ohhhhhhhhhhh
very good!
Union and Splitting are wrong
“Advanced.” 😂
thanks
Seeing made me feel like a fucking God among men because I already knew these
everything from joining and on to the end... makes no sense
Wow people I the comments are really confused you guys should start with easier ones
It says "advanced" in the title, it's the fault of the people if they come here without understanding the beginner steps
(Or are you talking about the people? That they should start with the easier ones)
@@Braminam no I think it's the fault of the people, this was easy. But I'm saying they should explain it a bit better as the whole point of the video is to explain easier, no matter how people understand
I don't understand anything at all help? 😭
Just play the game and all of these will come naturally. If you start out don't use these techniques just play as you go. You will start with like 5x5 or 10x10 which should be easy enough, then by 15x15 you will start developing techniques and strategies, then at 20x20 or 30x30 it will mostly be muscle memory and you will do them without even thinking about it.
What
i dont understnadddd
understand*
I have this game on my iPad so it tells me when something is completed
terrible explanations... You don't explain details on how these techniques work. Explanations are too vague