This is the second precon video in a row where the Command Zone has highlighted the reprint value not keeping up with the price of the product. Thanks guys for continuing to represent the community and giving us fair analysis about these things! You could have taken a much more disingenuous route, and dismissing our concerns about price point, but instead you addressed it fairly. Thanks again!
I agree with you, and I would also like them to revisit the financial value a couple of weeks after launch. While I understand card values can fluctuate quite a bit over time, as of today (2 weeks after launch), MTGGoldfish has the all-in deck value (not just reprints) at just around $90. Using Rachel's "Bang for your Buck" calculation, that puts the card value per dollar at about $1.13. In terms of the "old" cost of $40, that's an embarrassing $45 worth of cards.
To complement this, cards to remove: Cartographer’s Hawk Oreskos Explorers Wall of Denial Oath of Jace Deploy the Gatewatch The Wanderer Jace, Architect of Thought Ajani Steadfast Narset, Enlightened Master Kabul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
It's because of the theme of these commander decks. Regardless of what so many people want to believe, WotC doesn't control the price of their commander precon products. Retailers and consumers know these are going to be extremely popular commander decks compared to past decks, so their price is being marked up.
@@pattycake520they do control the price actually, they just don’t tell the general public so that sites like Amazon can charge extra for them until the hype goes down
this new "Bang for your buck" thing is so useful to compare the super increase of prices we saw in the last precons and makes it possible to compare with the past decks. AMAZING IDEA
@@CZdamenlenz it's an amazing idea that allows for easy comparison with values and decks from the past while prices fluctuate so much! this way we can take into account the price of the deck compared to the value on an a scale that's easy to see. superb! :D
Damen's analysis and justifications for card includes are always on point; they're also a great match with Rachel's! PLEASE give us more of these two, when Damen's not out in the mountains :)
I mean, realistically, you will always have to upgrade a precon. that is half the point, but it's how much these decks need upgraded that is the mind-boggling part.
I will say, that when doing a podcast review of this product I was AMAZED by the playability of the deck. While value is "questionable" the deck is now 52 dollars and it has an amazing build. Has fantastic amount of rocks, removal, ways to win, a good amount of walkers. This is a WELL built deck and looks like a deck that a person would actually create, not just a powered down precon.
Thank you for finally breaking the value down into average dollar value per reprint card! I’ve been wanting to see these numbers for awhile as I think it is the best way to compare value across precons that have varying retail costs and number of reprints per deck. Very very helpful!
Im just gonna say after putting in like 20 matches on this deck so far, Guff is probably the most powerful PW ive ever played in commander. Ramping PWs while providing blockers, ticking up other walkers, drawing and killing opponents is just insane. Hes easily the best card in the deck.
You aré right, but the thing Is that not much players have the inmortal sun because not every walkers players use that much their walkers deck because of the hate they generaste, so if in YOUR group they have inmortal sun, men, they have It for YOU
@ivan17villa Understandable. Its still nice to have artifact removal for other things. My initial statement is pretty moot from that perspective, but theres a bunch of new players that might pick up this deck. From that point of view, it's nice to know one card can hard counter your deck if you can't take care of it.
If you aren’t interested in going infinite with Teferi. I’d recommend Peregrine Dynamo instead. This deck already has a ton of ways to repeat Planeswalker abilities, how I’d win is by playing strong abilities, like say, Guffs -3, and just repeat it over and over.
@@ShinJagouki it only goes infinite if you have Teferi as your commander, it involves using the -1 to reset The Chain Veil until Teferi dies and you recast him, you need enough mana sources to untap so there's more to the combo than the two cards anyway
Additional adds: Planebound accomplice - ($0.16): sneak attack for planeswalkers. combine with Vronos to phase out before you sacrifice it. Cadric, Soul Kindler ($0.54): Most planeswalkers are legendary, so for 1 mana you can create a copy. Again with Vronos you can prevent the token from being sacrificed in the end step
No Teferi’s in this deck was immediately odd to me…one of the best Planeswalkers for blue hands down. Loved you guys take on this deck because mine was completely different! I chose to add Arena Rector, Djeru with eyes open, Ignite the beacon, and ascend from Avernus to start 😃
I appreciate, that you take the buying costs of the decks into account now. I actually commented this as an issue on one of your ltr upgrades and am happy that you also see this as an significant issue. Also don‘t brush off the cat like that. You don‘t need to call the same PW type every time. Also how about double strike or extra combats? That thing is so much stronger than guff…
Some cards im going to be including are Sphere of Safety, Dack Fayden, Mila crafty companion, elspeths talent and im going to try out storm of saruman to see if i can double up on all of my planeswalkers.
Jokulhaups is a very strong include that can be considered a win condition, but use it with caution. It destroys everything (including lands) except planeswalkers because they weren't printed when it released. Playstyle is get a couple strong planeswalkers like guff, and cast it to win in a few turns
THANK YOU for addressing the value for how much you're spending on these boxes. Please hammer this home to Wizards. Thanks for the bang for your buck comparison. This is the perfect way to break it down.
ALSO cut, Repeated Reverberation and Nahiri but keep Ajani, if you Rush that -7 then you basically win the game.. I got it off in the first turn I played him and it single handedly won me the game.
Outside of the decks being sold on the secondary market for around $150-160 at the moment . Amazon having it for the normal msrp for $85 . It’s still kind of disappointing that these decks don’t have better reprints . The LOTR decks had better mana bases and other reprints . It’s kind of sad .
seeing this deck is actually what got me wanting to try to play magic again after what feels like 20 years. That Guff rewrites history card specifically. It's not on the kill list so I suppose that means it's also good? local store had everything but pramikon and they had a lotr precon so I got that too. It's even the same colors scheme! thanks for the vids to help out the newbies and re-newbies! suppose I should use your link to buy sleeves =p
I don't know what else I would cut, but personal add in, Mila, Crafty Companion, a little added counter addition and card draw. Also another of Lukka's buddy's so flavor win🙂🙂🙂
you guys did not mention Deepglow Skate is in the deck, that is the turbo GO fuel for the deck, as it DOUBLES all counters as it enters the battlefield. If you manage to blink it a few times.....thats a lot of counters, really really fast.
Budget options for Tezzeret the Seeker and Displacer Kitten: Search for Glory (finds The Chain Veil, as well as any walker in the deck) and Brago, King Eternal (blinks your walkers, decent blocker).
I mainly play planeswalker party and The wanderer and Ajani are needs they combo well since you can make it hard to hurt you and permanents you use. So they help letting you survive longer so you can ramp up other planeswalkers down side they both become giant targets as soon as they enter the feild
So I have a queen marcheasa planswalker deck because monarch kinda help planswalkers deck. If you have your defense up you get extra draw to help answer your opponents. It also makes you opponents choose to attack you or your planswalkers. Another set of cards that could be good for budget is the planswalkers talents enchancements. The teferi talent, rowan talent, and elspeth talent is perfect for this deck upgrade.
I've added Vandalblast, especially as I'll likely be up against the colourless precon and the best way to keep on top of them will be taking out their ramp. Other adds I had that you didn't were the Talent cycle that they snuck into set boosters a little while back. I like 'em! I've added Tekuthal; probably need more proliferation to really make it worthwhile (i've taken out both thrummingbirds), but a 3/5 indestructible flyer seems like a solid blocker. I've also added Bothersome Quasit. I think Goad is a good mechanic to enhance protection, and the deck plays a lot of noncreature spells, so should get some decent value. Djeru, With Eyes Open seems made for this deck. Tutor a planeswalker and make it less profitable to attack planeswalkers. Brought Back can rescue planeswalkers in response to removal, or bring them back after using up their loyalty. Nesting Grounds is a great utility land in this deck; move loyalty around. I've replaced Forge of Heroes to avoid messing with colours
Cards I want to add but can't decide what to remove; Ixidron is a fun creature wipe. Dovin's Veto seems like a good bit of board wipe protection. Cosmic Intervention is like Brought Back and Semester's End on steroids, but I want them all!
I would probably run Kykar in the command zone if i was building jeskai planeswalkers. She'd give you a flying blocker that could be used for ramp if necessary for every planeswalker you cast
This deck is sooooo good! Just had a huge comeback 1 on 1 against the Sliver deck and I only had 4 mana the whole game! I rushed Ajani's Loyalty Ult and it was over from there once I hit a board wipe and he had no cards left! Noice! Can't wait for more.
I bought one I went highly aggressive with it and it works a couple damage increases some pillow fort strategy and of course a couple more and a few upgrades on the planeswalkers it's amazing I either do at least 40 damage across board or get killed right quick although I just added an ajani that makes a 2/2 cat for each life point you have so that should help with the overrun get the Elspeth emblem out before I play him (ideally) then I suddenly have a shit ton of 4/4 flying cats to defend my board
My issue with this set is being expensive for no reason drop the decks and main set for regular price this would have been one of the best drops of the whole year very sad because these decks are fire
Sad truth is the more premium things get the lower the return per dollar spent becomes. Perhaps that shouldn't apply to MTG but it is kind of just the way of the world. I will say though I would really really like to see a precon that just has the premium lands that everyone actually wants in it. They seem to be as valuable as they are purely through scarcity and aside from the clearly too good early rare lands I don't think that should be a thing
I think Cadric, Soul Kindler would be a good add. I’m actually considering taking all the blue out of the precon and running Cadric as my commander instead.😅
Gee, I wonder if 130$ in singles could be a better deck than a 80$ precon that still needs to be upgraded. Sorry for the negativity, as I suppose these videos are made on contractual obligation, but these precons out with Commander Masters feel like corporate greed in a box.
Thanks for the vid! I'm so glad the prices all dropped. Each precon is now 65 euro if you get a set in Europe and for that price, these work for me and I'm super excited to upgrade and play them :)
Put in the teferi’s talent enchantment if you can’t afford the teferi walker, it does the same thing for only 2 more loyalty. If you put in teferi that gains loyalty on card draw, that works beautifully with guff 😍
The best option I've found is to use Deepglow Skate and flicker/bounce effects to keep doubling up the loyalty on your planeswalkers, and it doesn't cost $70 to buy a Deepglow Skate.
another interesting value stat might be average value return per reprint so in this case take the value of the reprints minus the cost of the deck and divide that value by the number of reprints: (168-80) / 72 and you get an average value return of $1.23 per reprint. Where as the Riders of Rohan yielded $1.37 per reprint. This return value would increase with a higher deck value to cost ratio, and/or fewer reprints. So even with this deck's Value to Cost ratio of just over 2:1 being lower than other decks, if it had only included fewer reprints that would still make this deck worth it.
Jace, Architect of Thought isn't one of the most powerful planeswalkers, but his mini fact or fiction is a solid ability, as is the ultimate where you can cherry pick the best card from each opponents library, and even his plus has a defensive bonus, giving all creatures -1 power shouldn't be ignored, especially if you can activate it more than once a turn. More of a utility card than most planeswalkers, but utility is important too.
The new precon prices aside; im surprised nobody has mentioned Venser, the Sojourner as an include. Blinking other walkers with his +2 is super useful!
46:51 I built a carth planeswalker deck and I put lithoform engine in. I ended up taking it out because it just wasn’t as efficient as I wanted it to be. It looks really good, but it just played kinda medium. The copy effects are extremely tempting, but a lot of times I just want to play another walker
Can someone explain how teferi and the chain veil go infinite? Doesn’t chain veil only let you activate loyalty abilities once per turn? 32:45 for reference
Chain veil lets you activate your planeswalkers’ abilities one additional time that turn; for each time you activate it. So if you Use Teferi to activate the Chain Veil multiple times, each activation lets you activate your planeswalkers’ abilities one additional time that turn.
The "once" in the chain veils text describes the effect of the ability, not a limitation on how many times the ability can be used or activated. If the chain veil had that type of limitation it'd say something like "You can only activate this ability once per turn." Tap chain veil, pay 4, teferi untaps the chain veil and enough permanents to get that 4 mana again. That allows infinite loyalty abilities of the rest of your Planeswalkers.
@@Synisterjamesit's worth noting that it's a - on Teferi, so it does require some way to reset him if you truly want to go infinite. My suggestion is include a Rings of Brighthearth trigger on Chain Veil
Can't wait to get and upgrade my deck. I collect planeswalkers, because I think they are really cool, but I haven't really played with a lot of them in my commander decks. Are there any more expensive walkers that would be perfect for this deck, but did not fit the budget?
I really like Teferi, Time Raveler, giving your wraths flash is really good, and then there are just the intrinsically powerful walkers like "The Wandering Emperor" and "Teferi, Hero of Dominaria." Oh, and I also really want to try "Comet, Stellar Pup"
Sometimes in a durdly solitaire board stats it's better to make a quick decision even if it isn't the least optimal vs taking everyone's time ploting cause that's time the table is also paying attention to your game of solitaire. So even if you miss something that would be huge but you can quickly push out your value and pass and try to keep under the radar that is huge
Excuse-me but we remove loyalty counters, we activate chain veil, then we can re-use the used loyalty counters ????????? Can we double ult with the veil ?????
After playing this a couple times unedited, this is by far the best commander precon they’ve made. Absolute archenemy deck that runs at an insane speed. Runs as well, if not better than the Necron precon. Definitely going to be the go-to super friends commander going forward, doubling season be damned.
I just got the deck yesterday and can confirm that even out of the box with no edits that this deck is crazy. I played 3 games with friends with this deck out the box and I won 2 of them. Guff's -3 and the new Chandra can win games so quickly. I was doing up to 8-10 damage to everyone each turn and cards like Oath to Teferi and Spark Double just makes this so more crazy. Already one of my favourite decks and you can upgrade it for so cheap even if the only expensive card you get is the Gauntlet.
Can someone please explain to me what they meant by the displaced kitten and Planeswalker combo they were talking about? They talk about how activating a planeswalker’s ability would allow it to trigger, but abilities don’t count as casting?
They said activate a planeswalker ability, cast another planeswalker and then blink the first one. Then you can activate its ability again. They didn't specify a combo or anything, just described the normal utility of the card. When your planeswalker comes back in from being blinked you can activate its abilities again.
I played against this deck foe the first time 1v1 waiting for people to shown up. I got stomped back to back running Turbo illharg and just squeeked out the a W at 3 life with hidetsugu consuming. Its a good deck
the chain veil only goes infinite with teferi if teferi is in the commander zone? i.e. its still good its just teferi is getting ticked down so will die, and likely can't be recast as its in the graveyard, where as the combo works by recasting it from the command zone?
This is the second precon video in a row where the Command Zone has highlighted the reprint value not keeping up with the price of the product. Thanks guys for continuing to represent the community and giving us fair analysis about these things! You could have taken a much more disingenuous route, and dismissing our concerns about price point, but instead you addressed it fairly. Thanks again!
Especially awesome since they are sponsored by wotc but critizise them fairly here.
@@Cyviel Game Knights is sponsored by WOTC. Command Zone is not.
Frankly, I don't think they are upset enough. There should be major uproar about this set.
I agree with you, and I would also like them to revisit the financial value a couple of weeks after launch. While I understand card values can fluctuate quite a bit over time, as of today (2 weeks after launch), MTGGoldfish has the all-in deck value (not just reprints) at just around $90. Using Rachel's "Bang for your Buck" calculation, that puts the card value per dollar at about $1.13. In terms of the "old" cost of $40, that's an embarrassing $45 worth of cards.
cards to add:
1 teferi temporal archmage
1 Tezzeret the seeker
1 will kenrith
1 rowan kenrith
1 the eternal wanderer
1 Pramikon sky rampart
1 lae’zel vlaakith’s champion
1 ichormoon gauntlet
1 lithoform engine
1 displacer kitten
To complement this, cards to remove:
Cartographer’s Hawk
Oreskos Explorers
Wall of Denial
Oath of Jace
Deploy the Gatewatch
The Wanderer
Jace, Architect of Thought
Ajani Steadfast
Narset, Enlightened Master
Kabul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
1. Cast Pramikon, choose left.
2. Cast Spark Double, choose right.
3. Profit.
Thats disgusting! 😢.... Do it again! 😅
And that's why Pramikon is my Jeskai Superfriends commander of choice
Big brain
Remember when precons were 40$ and went up in value over time.. miss those
It's because of the theme of these commander decks. Regardless of what so many people want to believe, WotC doesn't control the price of their commander precon products. Retailers and consumers know these are going to be extremely popular commander decks compared to past decks, so their price is being marked up.
@@pattycake520they do control the price actually, they just don’t tell the general public so that sites like Amazon can charge extra for them until the hype goes down
Shoot aesi and lathril were under 40 when they came out iirc
@@koolaidman531 Lathril was my first commander and my main introduction to magic. My friend bought Aesi at the same time. They were $20 a piece.
@@pattycake520 Yes they do - that's the whole point of MSRP. The company that makes the product determines what it should be sold at.
this new "Bang for your buck" thing is so useful to compare the super increase of prices we saw in the last precons and makes it possible to compare with the past decks. AMAZING IDEA
That was all Rachel, she's brilliant
@@CZdamenlenz it's an amazing idea that allows for easy comparison with values and decks from the past while prices fluctuate so much! this way we can take into account the price of the deck compared to the value on an a scale that's easy to see. superb! :D
@@unseeliedream42 100% Agree
Damen's analysis and justifications for card includes are always on point; they're also a
great match with Rachel's! PLEASE give us more of these two, when Damen's not out in the mountains :)
I do LOVE the mountains though 😂
The fact that you have to upgrade a 80-100 dollar precon is pretty mind boggling, especially the mana base.
I mean, realistically, you will always have to upgrade a precon. that is half the point, but it's how much these decks need upgraded that is the mind-boggling part.
I don't understand why they can't give us decent mana-bases in these decks.
@@mufasafalldown8401 greed
@@cross1115No actually, if you're paying double for a precon, upgrading shouldnt be mandatory
Yeah, I paid 25 bucks for this deck today on TCG. Probably what it was worth at release. It's a shame some people paid almost 100 bucks
I will say, that when doing a podcast review of this product I was AMAZED by the playability of the deck. While value is "questionable" the deck is now 52 dollars and it has an amazing build. Has fantastic amount of rocks, removal, ways to win, a good amount of walkers. This is a WELL built deck and looks like a deck that a person would actually create, not just a powered down precon.
Thank you for finally breaking the value down into average dollar value per reprint card! I’ve been wanting to see these numbers for awhile as I think it is the best way to compare value across precons that have varying retail costs and number of reprints per deck. Very very helpful!
Im just gonna say after putting in like 20 matches on this deck so far, Guff is probably the most powerful PW ive ever played in commander. Ramping PWs while providing blockers, ticking up other walkers, drawing and killing opponents is just insane. Hes easily the best card in the deck.
Rachel dropping the "OH GOD!" when she realized you could make an indestructible Nev's Disk... :D :D :D
Hello friends. Friendly reminder that The Immortal Sun exists. So make sure to have artifact removal in your planeswalker decks.
i havent seen an immortal sun played in commander sense like the first month it came out man lol
@@frosstchild Everyone will have different experiences man. Just thought I'd mention its sence it hoses the whole deck if not taken care of if played
You aré right, but the thing Is that not much players have the inmortal sun because not every walkers players use that much their walkers deck because of the hate they generaste, so if in YOUR group they have inmortal sun, men, they have It for YOU
@ivan17villa Understandable. Its still nice to have artifact removal for other things. My initial statement is pretty moot from that perspective, but theres a bunch of new players that might pick up this deck. From that point of view, it's nice to know one card can hard counter your deck if you can't take care of it.
@@ivan17villaI mean, I like Tge Immortal Sun for its other benefits as well. Shutting off planeswalkers is a fun bonus.
If you aren’t interested in going infinite with Teferi. I’d recommend Peregrine Dynamo instead. This deck already has a ton of ways to repeat Planeswalker abilities, how I’d win is by playing strong abilities, like say, Guffs -3, and just repeat it over and over.
Unfortunately the peregrine dynamo does not work with guff, since it says "non-commander source"
Can you people explain how you can get infinite with Teferi and Chain Veil?
@@ShinJagouki it only goes infinite if you have Teferi as your commander, it involves using the -1 to reset The Chain Veil until Teferi dies and you recast him, you need enough mana sources to untap so there's more to the combo than the two cards anyway
@@Trance2400 Teferi plus Tezzeret plus Chain Veil could work?
@@GovernmentSpyBird true, but it works with multiple other planeswalkers.
Additional adds:
Planebound accomplice - ($0.16): sneak attack for planeswalkers. combine with Vronos to phase out before you sacrifice it.
Cadric, Soul Kindler ($0.54): Most planeswalkers are legendary, so for 1 mana you can create a copy. Again with Vronos you can prevent the token from being sacrificed in the end step
Kazuul triggers for each creature that attacks you or your walkers, not just once for an attack
Yeah, they did miss that, right?
It sure does read that way, I just assumed they knew better than me
No Teferi’s in this deck was immediately odd to me…one of the best Planeswalkers for blue hands down. Loved you guys take on this deck because mine was completely different! I chose to add Arena Rector, Djeru with eyes open, Ignite the beacon, and ascend from Avernus to start 😃
I appreciate the data analysis into the financials. With WoTC regularly changing the contents of the product it is not easy.
I appreciate, that you take the buying costs of the decks into account now. I actually commented this as an issue on one of your ltr upgrades and am happy that you also see this as an significant issue.
Also don‘t brush off the cat like that. You don‘t need to call the same PW type every time. Also how about double strike or extra combats? That thing is so much stronger than guff…
Love seeing the Kykar portrait card in the background. I feel it would also work well in the deck when playing non-creature spells.
Some cards im going to be including are Sphere of Safety, Dack Fayden, Mila crafty companion, elspeths talent and im going to try out storm of saruman to see if i can double up on all of my planeswalkers.
Vronos’s art just screams “My name is Vronos, Masked Inquisitor, and for the past 1 week, I have been the one and only, SPIDER-MAN”.
Jokulhaups is a very strong include that can be considered a win condition, but use it with caution. It destroys everything (including lands) except planeswalkers because they weren't printed when it released. Playstyle is get a couple strong planeswalkers like guff, and cast it to win in a few turns
It actually only destroys artifacts, creatures, and lands. Enchantments or Battles don't get destroyed, either.
THANK YOU for addressing the value for how much you're spending on these boxes. Please hammer this home to Wizards. Thanks for the bang for your buck comparison. This is the perfect way to break it down.
Tell me I'm not the only one thinking of Luxior, Giada's Gift for this deck too?!
ALSO cut, Repeated Reverberation and Nahiri but keep Ajani, if you Rush that -7 then you basically win the game.. I got it off in the first turn I played him and it single handedly won me the game.
The transition into STATS is my favorite part of these episodes 😂🤣
I would also look at adding Deepglow Skate, especially works well with Displacer Kitten
It's already in the deck! Great card in walker decks
Outside of the decks being sold on the secondary market for around $150-160 at the moment . Amazon having it for the normal msrp for $85 . It’s still kind of disappointing that these decks don’t have better reprints . The LOTR decks had better mana bases and other reprints . It’s kind of sad .
seeing this deck is actually what got me wanting to try to play magic again after what feels like 20 years. That Guff rewrites history card specifically. It's not on the kill list so I suppose that means it's also good?
local store had everything but pramikon and they had a lotr precon so I got that too. It's even the same colors scheme!
thanks for the vids to help out the newbies and re-newbies! suppose I should use your link to buy sleeves =p
I actually own a Tezzeret the Seeker as a foil. Never used it in a deck though
Why not run Urza assembles titans? I feel like that’s an Insta includ although I might be wrong
I really enjoyed Damien's take on this deck, but also his end step was really cool too!!
I don't know what else I would cut, but personal add in, Mila, Crafty Companion, a little added counter addition and card draw. Also another of Lukka's buddy's so flavor win🙂🙂🙂
Kazuul triggers for EACH creature attacking. That protects from token hordes which my pod loves so he stays in mine.
3:45 the intrusive thoughts are getting the best out of damon to not do a "deez nuts" joke lmao
"All will be one" is a nice tool in this deck.
I added kykar as well.
I love "All will be one" it's both removal and a potential wincon
I paid $60ish last week through tcg. New to magic, thanks for this upgrade guide
you guys did not mention Deepglow Skate is in the deck, that is the turbo GO fuel for the deck, as it DOUBLES all counters as it enters the battlefield. If you manage to blink it a few times.....thats a lot of counters, really really fast.
Budget options for Tezzeret the Seeker and Displacer Kitten: Search for Glory (finds The Chain Veil, as well as any walker in the deck) and Brago, King Eternal (blinks your walkers, decent blocker).
I love Search for Glory so much!
From a 25 dollar budget to a 50 dollar budget, why does a more expensive deck need a better upgrade?
I mainly play planeswalker party and The wanderer and Ajani are needs they combo well since you can make it hard to hurt you and permanents you use. So they help letting you survive longer so you can ramp up other planeswalkers down side they both become giant targets as soon as they enter the feild
I don't know why but I think Mila, Crafty Companion would be a good addition to the deck since " Hey, free loyalty counters ". Don't know why.😂😂😂
Seriously, no love for Djeru, With Eyes Open? He's a tutor, and multiple layers of protection for your walkers. And he's a bulk rare!
If I can’t afford the deck how can I afford to upgrade it? I do appreciate the transparency in the financial part.
So I have a queen marcheasa planswalker deck because monarch kinda help planswalkers deck. If you have your defense up you get extra draw to help answer your opponents. It also makes you opponents choose to attack you or your planswalkers. Another set of cards that could be good for budget is the planswalkers talents enchancements. The teferi talent, rowan talent, and elspeth talent is perfect for this deck upgrade.
I haven't played with the "talents" yet, but I am really excited to try them
I've added Vandalblast, especially as I'll likely be up against the colourless precon and the best way to keep on top of them will be taking out their ramp. Other adds I had that you didn't were the Talent cycle that they snuck into set boosters a little while back. I like 'em! I've added Tekuthal; probably need more proliferation to really make it worthwhile (i've taken out both thrummingbirds), but a 3/5 indestructible flyer seems like a solid blocker. I've also added Bothersome Quasit. I think Goad is a good mechanic to enhance protection, and the deck plays a lot of noncreature spells, so should get some decent value. Djeru, With Eyes Open seems made for this deck. Tutor a planeswalker and make it less profitable to attack planeswalkers. Brought Back can rescue planeswalkers in response to removal, or bring them back after using up their loyalty. Nesting Grounds is a great utility land in this deck; move loyalty around. I've replaced Forge of Heroes to avoid messing with colours
Cards I want to add but can't decide what to remove; Ixidron is a fun creature wipe. Dovin's Veto seems like a good bit of board wipe protection. Cosmic Intervention is like Brought Back and Semester's End on steroids, but I want them all!
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I would probably run Kykar in the command zone if i was building jeskai planeswalkers. She'd give you a flying blocker that could be used for ramp if necessary for every planeswalker you cast
Try the original creature Narset for that. Two iterations of that deck were the terror of one LGS for almost a year.
For the price of precon, it should've been a better starting point than this.
Wait, is Vronos that one planeswalker that Garruk killed in the opening cinematic of that one M15 mobile game?
I do believe he is
This deck is sooooo good! Just had a huge comeback 1 on 1 against the Sliver deck and I only had 4 mana the whole game! I rushed Ajani's Loyalty Ult and it was over from there once I hit a board wipe and he had no cards left! Noice! Can't wait for more.
I bought this deck for 50 euroes and had a blast playing it. The Wanderer IMO is one of the crucial cards especially against Red and Green decks
I dont think they realized that the cat can change what planeswalker type it helps by doing damage
I bought one I went highly aggressive with it and it works a couple damage increases some pillow fort strategy and of course a couple more and a few upgrades on the planeswalkers it's amazing I either do at least 40 damage across board or get killed right quick although I just added an ajani that makes a 2/2 cat for each life point you have so that should help with the overrun get the Elspeth emblem out before I play him (ideally) then I suddenly have a shit ton of 4/4 flying cats to defend my board
This deck is sick but not $80 sick
The precons actually look pretty sweet, its a shame they're overpriced.
My issue with this set is being expensive for no reason drop the decks and main set for regular price this would have been one of the best drops of the whole year very sad because these decks are fire
Sad truth is the more premium things get the lower the return per dollar spent becomes. Perhaps that shouldn't apply to MTG but it is kind of just the way of the world.
I will say though I would really really like to see a precon that just has the premium lands that everyone actually wants in it. They seem to be as valuable as they are purely through scarcity and aside from the clearly too good early rare lands I don't think that should be a thing
I think Cadric, Soul Kindler would be a good add. I’m actually considering taking all the blue out of the precon and running Cadric as my commander instead.😅
Cadric is really cool, I am excited to try him out in my own list
Gee, I wonder if 130$ in singles could be a better deck than a 80$ precon that still needs to be upgraded. Sorry for the negativity, as I suppose these videos are made on contractual obligation, but these precons out with Commander Masters feel like corporate greed in a box.
The worst that could happened to this channel was being sponsored by wizards and it greedy needs
What contractual obligation?
My day is now ruined learning that about the card Heartless Act. Thanks 😂 :P
Ruined my day too 😂
Or Vampire Hexmage :p
Thanks for the vid! I'm so glad the prices all dropped. Each precon is now 65 euro if you get a set in Europe and for that price, these work for me and I'm super excited to upgrade and play them :)
Put in the teferi’s talent enchantment if you can’t afford the teferi walker, it does the same thing for only 2 more loyalty. If you put in teferi that gains loyalty on card draw, that works beautifully with guff 😍
The best option I've found is to use Deepglow Skate and flicker/bounce effects to keep doubling up the loyalty on your planeswalkers, and it doesn't cost $70 to buy a Deepglow Skate.
Pramikon, spark double and the wanderer seems like a wincon to me. No attacks left or right and no noncombat damage to me.
Please do the precon battle!
IMO best "Stats" intro yet 🔥
With the caring about type there is a garruk that makes a wolf token with "when this token dies, put a loyalty counter on each Garruk planeswalker"
Funnily enough I used to have an abzan wolf tribal deck on MTGA and once that Garruk (cursed huntsman or smth) came into play it was over
Yeah but it has black devotion lmao so you can’t use it in this deck 😂
@@bpchongo-.-yes, this is in reference to the bit where they are discussing similar effects to Leori that exist in the game
There are cards that have specifically referenced a specific planeswalker type like chandras regulator as well.
another interesting value stat might be average value return per reprint so in this case take the value of the reprints minus the cost of the deck and divide that value by the number of reprints: (168-80) / 72 and you get an average value return of $1.23 per reprint.
Where as the Riders of Rohan yielded $1.37 per reprint.
This return value would increase with a higher deck value to cost ratio, and/or fewer reprints. So even with this deck's Value to Cost ratio of just over 2:1 being lower than other decks, if it had only included fewer reprints that would still make this deck worth it.
How good is Mila, Crafty Companion // Lukka, Wayward Bonder?
I ordered Planeswalker party today for 25 dollars off TCG player. I know it may not be great, but thats such a huge price drop.
I physically curl up into a ball squeezing my legs everytime they say you
That indeed ad was "adorable!"
Jace, Architect of Thought isn't one of the most powerful planeswalkers, but his mini fact or fiction is a solid ability, as is the ultimate where you can cherry pick the best card from each opponents library, and even his plus has a defensive bonus, giving all creatures -1 power shouldn't be ignored, especially if you can activate it more than once a turn. More of a utility card than most planeswalkers, but utility is important too.
Only 3 months out now and this deck I'm seeing go down to $40. May be worth now. That's why I rolled into this video
I know they won't do it but MSRPs would be the answer to these outrageous price gouges.
44:59 This is gold
After buying It, I can't afford upgrades
50 bucks for an upgrade guide when the product is already 80 is just too much
The new precon prices aside; im surprised nobody has mentioned Venser, the Sojourner as an include. Blinking other walkers with his +2 is super useful!
Bridgeport mwtc lets go lenz only those that have instructed know the true pain
Oorah!
46:51 I built a carth planeswalker deck and I put lithoform engine in. I ended up taking it out because it just wasn’t as efficient as I wanted it to be. It looks really good, but it just played kinda medium. The copy effects are extremely tempting, but a lot of times I just want to play another walker
The Wanderer ... The best answer to Flame Blitz though haha
Bfyb should also account for the number of reprints as well? Which paints these in an even worse light with 72 reprints.
Can someone explain how teferi and the chain veil go infinite? Doesn’t chain veil only let you activate loyalty abilities once per turn? 32:45 for reference
Chain veil lets you activate your planeswalkers’ abilities one additional time that turn; for each time you activate it. So if you Use Teferi to activate the Chain Veil multiple times, each activation lets you activate your planeswalkers’ abilities one additional time that turn.
The "once" in the chain veils text describes the effect of the ability, not a limitation on how many times the ability can be used or activated. If the chain veil had that type of limitation it'd say something like "You can only activate this ability once per turn."
Tap chain veil, pay 4, teferi untaps the chain veil and enough permanents to get that 4 mana again. That allows infinite loyalty abilities of the rest of your Planeswalkers.
@@Synisterjamesit's worth noting that it's a - on Teferi, so it does require some way to reset him if you truly want to go infinite. My suggestion is include a Rings of Brighthearth trigger on Chain Veil
Can't wait to get and upgrade my deck. I collect planeswalkers, because I think they are really cool, but I haven't really played with a lot of them in my commander decks. Are there any more expensive walkers that would be perfect for this deck, but did not fit the budget?
I really like Teferi, Time Raveler, giving your wraths flash is really good, and then there are just the intrinsically powerful walkers like "The Wandering Emperor" and "Teferi, Hero of Dominaria." Oh, and I also really want to try "Comet, Stellar Pup"
@@CZdamenlenz oh - that's a great idea. I have Hero of Dominara from that extra life secret lair. Love the art, but haven't used it in a deck, yet! :)
Yay I was looking forward for your next video, looks like it’s gunna be good
The first time I played this deck I played Deploy the Gatewatch and I got two walkers and it was amazing and I will now never take the card out.
Sometimes in a durdly solitaire board stats it's better to make a quick decision even if it isn't the least optimal vs taking everyone's time ploting cause that's time the table is also paying attention to your game of solitaire. So even if you miss something that would be huge but you can quickly push out your value and pass and try to keep under the radar that is huge
Excuse-me but we remove loyalty counters, we activate chain veil, then we can re-use the used loyalty counters ????????? Can we double ult with the veil ?????
After playing this a couple times unedited, this is by far the best commander precon they’ve made. Absolute archenemy deck that runs at an insane speed. Runs as well, if not better than the Necron precon. Definitely going to be the go-to super friends commander going forward, doubling season be damned.
I just got the deck yesterday and can confirm that even out of the box with no edits that this deck is crazy. I played 3 games with friends with this deck out the box and I won 2 of them. Guff's -3 and the new Chandra can win games so quickly. I was doing up to 8-10 damage to everyone each turn and cards like Oath to Teferi and Spark Double just makes this so more crazy. Already one of my favourite decks and you can upgrade it for so cheap even if the only expensive card you get is the Gauntlet.
you can have infinite mana with Teferi + Tezzeret + soul ring + chain veil and some lands, with Guff out as well infinite 1-1s
Every card you add is already in my Pramikon American Superfriends deck. Haha.
Can someone please explain to me what they meant by the displaced kitten and Planeswalker combo they were talking about? They talk about how activating a planeswalker’s ability would allow it to trigger, but abilities don’t count as casting?
They said activate a planeswalker ability, cast another planeswalker and then blink the first one. Then you can activate its ability again. They didn't specify a combo or anything, just described the normal utility of the card. When your planeswalker comes back in from being blinked you can activate its abilities again.
AGGHH I LOVE DAMEN I WANNA SEE MORE OF HIM HES SO COOL 🔥
And I love you too, random citizen! (This totally isn't my alt account I swear)
I played against this deck foe the first time 1v1 waiting for people to shown up. I got stomped back to back running Turbo illharg and just squeeked out the a W at 3 life with hidetsugu consuming. Its a good deck
the chain veil only goes infinite with teferi if teferi is in the commander zone? i.e. its still good its just teferi is getting ticked down so will die, and likely can't be recast as its in the graveyard, where as the combo works by recasting it from the command zone?
What do you think about Space Beleren in this deck?
Oath of Teferi seems like a really solid include that's cheap rn
It's in the deck already
It's on the decklist.
Its already in the deck
New player here and is intrested in this deck, you talked about practis with this deck alone? I muat ask how to so that?
44:59 lol what?
Proliferate... proliferate... proliffalsdxjnv
@@CZdamenlenz lmao