What’s the Best BELT in Martial Arts?
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What's the difference between Judo, Taekwondo, BJJ and Karate Black Belts?! Welp... time for some research!
I want to give a big shout out to these folks who helped me with this!!
In order:
@KARATEbyJesse for his Karate wisdom!
Coach Frank Dees and his BJJ knowledge
Master David Wright (from Master Changs Martial Arts) for his kickin info
Sensei Alex Lahman from Triangle Jiu Jitsu!
and @Shigashi84 for his awesome stories of the coral and red belts in Judo! - Sport
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I think this is a pretty good way of explaining just how overwhelming and “strange” processing BJJ can be. As well as why my dumbass is never getting past 1 stripe White Belt
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No Kendo?
Thumbs down.
Hey sensei seth could you do a video on hapkido?
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Thanks for having me on your channel again Seth! 🙏 Karate nerds 4 life!! 🥋
thank you, always so helpful
You and Seth are my favorites on youtube. Please combine force's on the next KNX🎉 And please let it be in Europe😅 #osu
No way
Sensei Jesse are you in America now, or do you travel a lot? I'm confused.
I love how you said the black is the beginning! That's how I was taught as well. They always said White to Red you focus on learning to control your body. Then once you get black it's when you begin to learn to control your opponents body.
"i think i have someone else that can help us out with that" immediately in my head with an accent" Okinawa is the birth place of karate"
Just got my BJJ Black Belt last Saturday after almost 12 years and wouldn’t have it any other way!
Congrats🥋 I have been doing TKD for 6 years and I could have gone my black belt but not sure any more because it seems my dojo is being closed down 😢
@@cecil3602 don’t give up on that dream! Switch schools or styles! You got this!
Congratulations. Hopefully you can beat 99% of people at this point. Would suck training all that time and still losing fights against most people .
@@KentPetersonmoney 99% is pretty steep haha
Namaste. Congratulations and God bless.
I was a kid in the 1970s. Back then, we knew two things as absolute Gospel truth:
1. if you drank pop rocks and Coca-Cola at the same time your stomach would explode
2. if you got a black belt in Karate, you had to register your hands as deadly weapons
So, there is no contest. Karate black belt. Kid logic wins every time.
That's absolutely true!
@@johnnapoletano An infallible statement!
Very true, my dad even recommended that I stop at brown to avoid getting prosecuted in some sort of Con Air situation.
Here are a couple more;
1) If you swim right after you eat you will get cramps and drown.
2) A real man never hits a woman.
The 70s to the 90s were the golden age of Bullshittto.
It's amazing how much Judo has contributed to/helped create different martial arts.
I really wanna learn Judo.
It’s hard on the knees
Judo is an amazing martial art.
@@vedu8519 uncle Chael says it sucks
go do it, buy some knee protectors, consider groin protector as well. Wear a tshirt under the gi so you dont get your armpits scratched and sore as much.
While injuries happen often to beginners (since they are too tense and dont know how to trip someone using their feet so they damage their toes and often rip toenails) the curriculum is usually beginner friendly.
For the first 3-6 months when you work towards your white belt exam you mostly do falls and learn to do things while relaxed, stretch your back and for the exam you barely need to do throws, mostly it's just showing ~4 holds on the ground.
Then you work towards your yellow belt, doing first 8 basic throws and trips and modifications to the holds you learned (kuzure versions). You start to do more sparrings than beginners so you learn to apply those throws you're learning and on the ground you already know 4 endgoals (first 4 holds) to work towards.
In my dojo you also do the stuff other ranks are doing, even if chances you do them correctly is pretty low. And you spar against black belts so you get the feeling of the skill needed to be one firsthand. Very humbling stuff.
I've been doing judo for 7 months now (I'm mostly focused on boxing and taekwondo) and what it did for me is- it made me more grounded despite a higher stance than in say shotokan karate, it made me more relaxed in sparring (applies to boxing too) allowing me to fight longer, it starts to add more explosiveness/acceleration to all my techniques (at least in boxing, it's likely gonna take long before my kicks get the same boost) since judo has the most "from relaxed-to-max" acceleration in all martial arts. It made my boxing guard and arms in general more stable and it made me more body aware when on the ground. Also going back to balance for a second- it makes me wobble less while doing boxing weaving stuff.
Pretty cool benefits overall. I don't see myself going for a black belt, but orange or green or maybe even blue belt seems like good goals to have. But now I focus on my next month's yellow belt exam
i’ve been doing since i was 5 and im 21 now lol but its definitely worth it 👍🏻
Thanks for having me on Seth!
If I had a black belt it be in Okinawan karate or judo
just wanted to let you know - Im one of those people who got their judo black bet the traditional way (beating other black belts). Im the wrong side of middle aged now - fighting days well behind me, but I got it at age 12 - after beating adult and near adult high belts including black belts. To be fair i was also 6'2 and about 14 stone at 12, and had to retest formally at I think age 17 to prove it was valid as an adult.
my specific style was the sport version practiced at olympics - I believe it was called MCC Judo back then, name may have changed since.
Any ways just wanted to say there are few of us traditional method black belts still kicking around ;)
How can u forget the judo blue belt?? thats crazy hahahaha
@@danielhestvik4419Do they have blue in his dojo?
@@danielhestvik4419 fr
I do believe there is a cultural difference in the concept of black belt in BJJ. As you heard, every art likes to say that black belt is the beginning, or it means you have the basics down. But BJJ at some point in the past decided the black belt should be a level of mastery, and that's really why it takes so much longer. Most people will compare the time, effort, and skill involved to get a BJJ black belt to be like getting 2nd or 3rd dan in Judo. While a lot of BJJ black belts import the idea that it's a beginning, it's really not as true as it is for other arts.
I could be completely bias, but even before I did BJJ I thought it was so weird that kids at school who were doing karate for like 3 years were black belts. As a FIGHTING art I really think a black belt should be able to defeat 99% of a population (given a fair size gap I guess, lets say if you're a kid you should be able to beat 99% of kids as a black belt.)
I like BJJ’s approach to black belts not even being an option for kids. Until you turn 16 can you even get your blue belt. Regardless of training 10 years by the age of 16. I like this because 10 years of training from 6-16 is very different from 10 years of training from 16-26.
I started with Judo (in Germany) and later joined the Karate division of my club, too. In both sports black belt actually meant that you are very good at your sport and know how to properly execute all the techniques. Starting from blue belt (in Judo Germany it‘s the 2nd kyu - 9th kyu being the white belt; in Shotokan Karate where I trained blue was 5th and 4th kyu with white being 10th kyu) you were allowed to take extra classes to become an instructor. In these classes you learn about the body, how to avoid injuries, how to set up a proper training routines with warm up and cool downs and all that stuff. You needed to be at least 16 years old.
Judo also had an age restriction from blue belt up because of the techniques you are supposed to perform, that could be very dangerous if executed wrongly. I‘m not so sure about age restrictions in Karate, but I think there were some for black belt for similar reasons.
This being said: yeah, black belt definitely meant you are advanced and could potentially knock out random people. So I‘m actually very confused about the „black belt is just the beginning“-sentiment. I mean, we do say that, too. But that’s meant more in a philosophical - becoming a better human being/ perfecting every technique - kind of meaning.
@@missis_jo1017The black belt being the beginning is more of a traditional sentiment, being in that you are now fully competent, and know your way around rather than necessarily being a master of your art. In Japan they traditionally only had a white belt and a black belt to represent this. In Judo they have a brown belt, but getting a black belt in Judo at the Kodokan is, from what I've heard at least, not as big an achievement as getting a black belt in other countries as they still generally still adhere to this philosophy of 1st Dan black belt being a "fully competent beginner".
@@cuzza4321 BJJ BB here and I completely agree. BJJ is a fighting art and I believe you should be able to prove it. Any art that doesn't make you prove it is one that is actively moving further and further from efficacy.
Kids can't really prove it which is why they don't get high belts.
I will say in TKD that the focus on being a good person was huge. One of the requirements for belt advancement was community service. I picked up trash out of a lake with friends. It was fun. We threw a ball of dead grass at a crocodile.
Definitely. It's a lifestyle that has a sport element. In my school there is a saying, "It's not the belt, it's the person wearing it that gives it value." People focus so much on the belt and the years training as a measure of their worth as a martial artist, they forget to use the martial art to make themselves a better person.
Martial arts is not about being a better person, it's about fighting. Quote jim harrison the teacher of superfoot wallace and chuck norris. Both would develop dojo kuns that is required memorization. Yet jim harrison didn't care if you was a criminal, you could study with him, bushidokan karate it was mainly judo with 2 forms from shurin ryu, fukyuichi an fukyuni. So, much so that 2 brothers policemen tried to kill a black student that was a great fighter he was either dating or married to the x wife of one of the two cop brothers they trained with steve katzer so did i that's how i know this story. They i think finally killed, he could straight out fight. Bushidokan all the way, unashamed of it cruel developments. I mean harrison back in the 1980s often fought without gear. Man those was fun years for me.
I can see the headlines. "Florida man hospitalized after tornado kicking a crocodile"
@@christopherspohn8071well the guy shouldn't have been engaged with A MARRIED WOMAN now should he have?
@@spencertilton5853Nah, dude, the gator would need a hospital
"Belt for holding up pants." - Mr. Miyagi
belts DONT holds up your pants.
For my Shodan In Judo, I started help teach classes at brown belt. Writing my own lesson plans and teach them . Help teach classes, demonstrate skills ect at our national camp in front of a national board and finally sparing after than a gauntlet going from white belt up to my head coach who is an 8th Dan. This was over the course of almost 4 years as a brown belt.
it's important to remember that the rank system depends on the organization for Judo. for example, here in Brazil it goes: white; blue; yellow; orange, green; purple; brown; black and so on. but you need to be at least 16 for the black belt and there's a minimum time for each belt. while in Japan it's common to get a black belt at around 15 and many people go straight from white to black, like in the old days. it may seem early because we westerners see the black belt as this crazy rank, but in Japan that's just the beginning, it's like graduating from high school.
Yeah it’s crazy the variation. At my club it’s white-> green-> brown-> black
I agree with that sentiment. I began my training at 16 in 1975. After a couple months I foolishly asked my teacher when could I spar? (I had some misinformation in my head, and my teacher was from the old school. A Shotokan teacher. Nishiyama and Nakayama were his teachers.) He responded forcefully that no sparring before black belt. Being an undisciplined teenager I pushed my luck and asked when I might earn my black belt? His reply was thundered through the class room; "Not before ten years!" After hard core training. Three hour classes three times a week,. A year went by and he tested us for white belt!
May he rest in peace. I began training Chinese boxing in 1980 and I earned my black belt instructors certification in 2000, and became a lineage holder.
Today my motto is; "Ten years to Black Belt. A lifetime to mastery."
Skill is all that matters. All the best.
Laoshr #60
Ching Yi Kung Fu Association
It depends my style I don’t know how to right the name of it but it is very hard to rank to black belt
Huh I did Judo as a kid in Sweden and it went white - yellow - red - idk because I quit lol
Interesting
I started my journey in 1974 beginning with Japanese Jujutsu first then Kempo karate here in Tokyo,Japan. Achieved black belt in 1984(age 14) for both, and up to 6th degree in both(2002) before I switched to MMA(Boxing/Muay Thai/Wrestling/Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu-mixed) since then. It’s been a long ride,I’ll be 54 in May
Congrats
@@jonathancharles3719 Thanks,no congratulations needed,I find it refreshing to not have a belt/rank in MMA..Just put in work/practice too do it.Some might disagree with me that putting in time and effort into a Martial Art or two to get a belt/rank in it. I still practice Jujutsu and Kempo,but not like I used to ,these have served me well as my base..
you are the only channel I watch that I don't see the advert a mile a way so I dont skip that part like i normally do
Gained my black belt and actual felt I wasn’t ready. Sensei said, “now the real training starts and he was bang on. “
For taekwondo it’s important to recognize that Kukkiwon standards separate children’s black belts from those of adults. An adult earns a Dan while a child is awarded a Poom, these are separate rankings. Additionally while there are other tkd organizations other than the kukkiwon’s World Teakwondo Federation many “taekwondo” schools are not associated with any, and thus have no enforced standard or curriculum. The Kukkiwon its self does not bother much with color belt standardization it is really focused on Poom and Dan certification as the black belt is seen as a beginner. My master would say that only once you gained your black belt would really start learning taekwondo.
The difference between a white belt and a blue belt in bjj is usually gigantic
Yes, I’m a month into training and rolling with blue belts may as well be rolling with a black belt for me because I can’t even get close to doing anything to them successfully 😂 whereas some of my fellow white belts I’m pretty competitive with…. 4 stripe white belts however, again may as well be a black belt
@@Anonymous.androidblack belts have fun and let you get your moves in but they can destroy you any second. Blue belts have no mercy if you have a month of bjj experience unless they’re nice.
I have a Kykoshin karate black belt, a judo black belt and a BJJ brown belt. Kykoshin black belt exam was brutal, but BJJ belts are next level. You require so much knowledge and skill, it is of the scale, takes forever as well. Judo black belt is following the curriculum and racking up competition points, at least in Europe that is an option if you don't want to go the kata way. Not easy, but I would place it third.
Karate and Judo black belt AND a BJJ brown belt ?? Strike, Throw and Submissions. You are definitively a complete martial artist.
I really appreciate this format of the animations and breaking it down how the sparring differs theoretically. Would love if you did more of these.
My first old TKD teacher told me the belt color story 😂
I have TKD and BJJ black belts but i still would like to have a karate one just because watching karate was my gateway into martial arts
Lucky I’m so close to my TKD black belt 😅 , at some point I’ll do BJJ and karate .
@@cecil3602 Watch out First degree black belt is a huge quit point but arguably its one of the nicer times
Watching Karate or The Karate Kid?
Remember...in Okinawa belt only means, no need rope, hold pants up.
Thanks for letting me be a small part of another great video brother, and for calling me a bad ass. 🤣
Part of the "difficulty" of Black Belts changing over time is accessibility too. When my Dad was actively running his Dojo in the 70s-80s in Australia there were only a couple of places in the whole country you could test to go from Brown to Black, and interstate travel wasn't something everyone could afford to do.
My dojo faced a similar problem. We were independent, so gradings were done in the dojo, with two black belts conducting each grading. That was fine, except for when we did black belt gradings. Our sensei had to find someone to come to the dojo, often from quite far away, to conduct the gradings. It was very nerve-wracking knowing that this guy had travelled across the country just for me, so I could go for 2nd Dan.
This is super interesting. I’ve got 3 black belts: I got my TKD black belt at 18, got a 6th dan in karate (Pukang tang soo do) after 20+ yrs in the MSU karate club, and a 1st degree black belt in BJJ (Combat Base/Magic BJJ), which is what I currently train (I’m almost 52, so I’ve been at this stuff for a bit, lol). I found the difference in requirements and public perception fascinating. This was a well done video that paid respect to all the arts covered. Great work!
Kano Jigoro introduced kyu and dan (6 and 10 respectively) ranks to martial arts in 1883 based on an already wide-spread ranking system in many Japanese arts (flower arranging, go, tea ceremony) which itself was based on the Chinese 9 rank system for players of go (weiqi) called 九品制 (jiǔ pǐn zhì) which was in turn based on the 9 rank system for court nobles (九品中正制). Prior to this, martial arts operated on a licencing system. A student would enter as okuiri (basically "entrant into the art") and after years of training would enter the mokuroku (official rolls of the school) basically being formally accepted as a member of that ryu (and by extension representative of their values and artform). Eventually a practitioner would earn a menkyo (licence) which certified that in the eyes of that ryu they were skilled enough to teach the art. In theory there were different levels of students in the rolls and different levels of licence, topping out at menkyo kaiden (grand master) but as is often the case with history, nothing was standardised and every school pursued its own system. Only the menkyo really mattered as this proved to people outside the ryu that a practitioner was in fact to be trusted to open a school and teach students. Within a ryu a student's rank and skill would be assessed in the master's head or through whatever internal ranks and traditions that school established.
Kano wanted a more systematised approach to ranking with finer subdivisions partially to better track student progress and partially to modernise his art (Kano had lived through the Meiji restoration and the 1880s when the Kodokan was founded was a time of great change and modernisation in Japan with the military and martial arts (among other things) borrowing from Western counterparts.
Kano invented the martial arts black belt (in 1886) based on the Japanese swim team who put black ribbons around the waists of top tier athletes. This was partially just to visually distinguish the advanced students from the juniors for the purposes of partnering during training, but also a way to reward advanced students and add incentive. However the belt at the time was the traditional wide sash (obi) of a Japanese kimono, until the modern judogi was invented (along with the modern belt) sometime around 1907. Kano himself then subdivided the kyu ranks into the the bottom half (6-4th kyu) who had a white belt and top half (3rd-1st kyu) who had a brown belt (half way between white and black). He later also suggested a light blue belt for complete beginners (6th kyu) but whether this was ever adopted I don't know.
Belt colours would explode in Europe with the spread of Judo and Karate as (whether this is true or not I can't be sure), it was said that the European students were too impatient and needed more consistent rewards and distinctions of rank and so every kyu rank would have a unique colour and additional kyu ranks were created so that students in many Japanese (and by extension Korean) based martial arts today can expect their first belt promotion in 3-4 months of starting.
As regards BJJ's influences: Judo was at the time called "Kano Jujutsu" or "Kodokan Jujutsu" and in the early 1900s when Mitsuyo Maeda came to the West (he arrived in the US in 1904 and Brazil in 1914) the arts had not diverged as much as they have today. That said, Kano himself was influenced by western styles of wrestling in developing Judo and the Brazilians further incorporated techniques from wrestling via the vale tudo tradition within which Maeda would often demonstrate the efficacy of (what we now call) Judo.
But this is also why BJJ calls itself "jiu-jitsu" and not "judo" because this distinction was not yet formalised when BJJ was being developed and it was seen as the next evolution of the art from various syncretised classical Jujutsu traditions into Kano Jujutsu and then into Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. Interestingly, BJJ belt ranks are a later development dating to around the 50s if I recall correctly. Originally only the white (pre-black belt), light blue (black belt equiv.), and dark blue (instructor) belts were used. This is also why black belts under Royce Gracie's lineage use a blue bar on their blackbelts instead of red, as Royce has moved to wearing a blue belt in homage to Hélio Gracie. Interestingly, the full BJJ pre-black belt system today varies between Gracie and IBJJF but both use the following basic colour progression: white - yellow - orange - green - blue - purple - brown, very much inspired by the Judo ranks, with yellow, orange, and green being exclusively used for under 16s though the green belt as an "early blue belt" for adults does exist in some rare places, it is not known by most jiujiteiros and is looked down upon by the rest.
Bjj and judo
BJJ, only because ( for now at least) it still requires a level of proficiency that most martial arts don’t. Like 10 years of consistent training is the average, and if you get it sooner you’re probably winning major competitions on a world stage
One of your best videos so far, Seth! Love these deep dives and all the interviews with the masters of their respective arts
Hello great video !!! I'm from France and our belt system in judo is a bit different: it's white, yellow, orange, green ,blue, brown and then black. However we also have middle belts. like half white half yellow or half orange half green between each colors.
Sensei Seth, I think that you’re quite admirable in your open approach to all of these martial arts and talk about them fairly. Even I learned new things. I love your channel.
Jesse loves to give you enough info to get you hooked to do more research! So cool!
Certainly up there as one of my favourite episodes. Quietly motivating❤
In my humble opinion kids should never get black belts. I love how that is structured in bjj, you have kids belts and then when you turn 16 you get into the adult belts. At black belt you should be a master of the martial art you practice, you are not a master of anything when you are 12 years old.
That is a eurocentric way of looking at things. In the east where the arts started black belt is not a sign of mastery. In Japan for example most kids start karate and KG and then at the end of primary school they will get their shodan first dan black belt and 90% will leave to play something else at high school. But they have such a large pool of practitioners they still dominate the sport world-wide. In India karate is just for kids. We don't have a particularly advanced or widespread MMA club system but there are those who train hard and Manipur just won a featherweight MMA title. But he made the news for his acceptance speech. So in the East they'd take notice once you started saying you were higher than a fourth of fifth dan. What it would mean to practitioners here is that you understand the basics of the system. So for shitoryu you have memorised and can perform 116 katas without necessarily understanding advanced bunkai. With judo that you know the basic throws and katas but don't necessarily understand the flow how throws line up with each other in terms of muscle memory even if you undestand intellectually which to link together. The shodan would still be the belt kids take before leaving a martial art to pursue something else. Even if that's anotehr martial art. And for traditional indian martial arts there are no belts. You complete a cycle of training usually starting at 6 or 7 usually taking five years and then repeat several times until the guru thinks you are good enough to teaach or practice on your own. Something like that. But even in the west its become a lot easier to get black belts and it doesn't carry the mystique that it did probably falsely in the 1970s. But just another opinion this one from Bangalore
@@user-rc8br5sw6j So you are telling me how the karate or the judo black belt are basically blue belt level in bjj. As I said the ranking system is far superior to the traditional japanese ranking, just as the martial art is superior to traditional no sparring martial arts like karate, taekwondo and such.
@@uros2321 I am telling you that you're either someone who has little or no personal experience or you're a proper pukkah master of one art form. There are a few with I am going to say a more spiritual higher consciousness way of approaching life's experiences. But they are rare or they don't spend so much time on social media. But yes if you're one of the two types you're meant to say my god is bigger than your god because this is a variation of the school playground. So we do get told important information but usually without context and in the most odd ways. At least that's how I learnt the facts of life. Teachers were in that age too embarrassed to talk to us like parents. But I digress. TL:DR but you would say that now wouldn't you. And no I'm not challenging you to a fight because too old mate and don't want to play that game but yeah I have a plan for my kids and the plan keeps changing keeps being updated But it involves their learning every art they can when they are old enough to learn them just dropped them off to art school art art and in two hours they'll learn Silambam. No belts in Silambam but your art form is clearly better than Silambam. No contest. Now get out and train.
@@uros2321Judo black belt is about the same amount of mat hours to an advanced BJJ blue or maybe a fresh Purple.
Also Black belt has never been meant to represent master its meant to represent your now competent.
How can you be a master of Judo at 1st Dan when there are still more Judo ranks above your grade left to get than below it?
I completely agree with you
I have 3 black belts. One in aikijitsu, one in karate and one in freestyle kickboxing. I also have a brown belt in judo. The toughest guy I ever encountered was a man called George Glass. He was a 6th dan in judo and possibly the nicest guy you could wish to meet. I trained with him once a month. He wasn’t a big guy but he was so knowledgable and could whoop pretty much any person I know
I really enjoyed this video Seth. I recently achieved my black belt at 53. It took me 7 years of training over a 9 year time line.
My belt order was as follows, white,red,yellow, orange, green,green and black, blue,blue and black, purple, brown, brown and black, and finally black. I totally agree that my journey is far from being over. Unfortunately, my age now will stop my progression.
This was a great and very informative CZcams. Learning the different belt systems actually gave us more insight into the different martial arts as well. Thanks Sensei.
Love the video as always! Can't say I wasn't slightly disappointed with it not being Rener or Ryron explaining the belt system for BJJ though.
I dream to have Black belt in BJJ someday. Currently still a white belt after a year.. 🙃
Stick with it, keep learning and you will get it.
There are no shortcuts.
That’s totally normal. It took me like 3 years to get a blue belt in BJJ from ages roughly 15 to 18. I was busting my ass in class with grown men every week.
Love your content. I wanted to provide my World Taekwondo TKD experience, as both a student and coach/instructor. In the West, most of us consider color belts really just stepping stones to chunk up the content to make Black Belt attainable (consumable in other words). To us, in many Martial Arts Dojangs, Black Belt is really the beginning of your real training. We often consider color belt rankings to be "grade school" to get you to "college" which is your 1st poom/Dan ranking. Now that is the Martial Arts, ethos, side of TKD. There is another side of TKD within WT which is focused exclusively on competitive sport. Here, you could be a Black Belt in your Dojang but a Color belt in competitive sports arenas, this is all based on the school though.
Lastly, You mentioned sparring and i wanted to comment here. In my experience as being a student of 2 schools, and a USAT/AAU coach for sparring and forms so getting exposure to other schools programs, many WT TKD schools begin sparring at early color belts. Again, as above, the sparring is made "consumable" to build upon the learnings within their belts to incorporate the new learning and build the student into a capable competitor knowledge wise. Obviously this isnt universal as some schools do not begin sparring until Advanced colors or even Black Belt. Technically, the Kukkiwon WT curriculum has requirements for sparring starting at yellow belt for testing progression.
That sponsor segue was incredible! Love the content.
I love Shintaro, he has always such a down to earth kind of words to explain his stuff and in the same moment it is "you just do this tenthousend things at once and its done". Thank you Seth for this video :) you are the inter martial arts comunicater ❤
The Kudo black belt is goals.
I was trading Kudo. And our coach said "Forget about belts if you want you can buy it and I give you a paper". What matters was to win competitions of regional, national or international levels. And he trained us to win and not collect any belts.
Kudo looks savage
Brief note: Quite a few BJJ gyms don't have stripes. For example where I train at (ATOS BJJ) there are no stripes for colored belts, and sometimes no stripes for white belts as well.
When he said there are 21 ranks in BJJ, I was thinking, "Most people consider all blue belts the same rank, regardless of stripes." I've visited a few places where people will apply stripes in the calculation to line up in order, but many that don't. A 3-stripe purple belt doesn't really "outrank" a 2-stripe purple.
Same, no stripes in my gym
We don't do stripes either! And we test for belts.
I’ve trained at 3 different BJJ gyms none had stripes.
Jits BB here w/20 years in. The vast, vast, vast majority of gyms that give stripes for colored belts these days are money mills that care more about keeping students happy by giving them stripes than they do about producing great jits practioners.
I love that I knew the poll on Ig was gonna lead to a cool video. Thx you
This was really inciteful! I've always had mixed feelings about kids black belts, but I really like both of your perspectives when it was talked about. I think I'm going to adopt the same mentality for it.
in the uk, the BJA (British Judo Assosiation) is the main governing body of judo ranks in the UK. You have to confirm your rank with them when you do judo and almost all clubs in the UK are associated with them. The club desires when you get each bet but the BJA makes it official
Same here in Italy. We have FIJLKAM which is divided into Judo, Wrestling, Karate and other martial arts (BJJ excluded).
I did judo as a teenager in the UK and I was under the BJC, from what I remember it was split between the 2 association and some slight differences between them but i had trained at both clubs from both associations, best sport iv done
I recently got my shodan in Goju Ryu last September and boy am I happy after 17 years of training on and off because that test was WAY more difficult than I thought. Intensity level 10000
I love your more educational content like this, or the video on stances and why they are the way they are (my favourite).
first of, what a great video. Its very fun to see the difference in grading between the marchal arts, but even more the difference between country. Im a dutch 1ste degree black belt judoka nearing my 2nd exam and my instructors exam. Seeing the difference in not only what the requierments for a new belt are, but also the steps we take between the belts really gets my mind going on how a, at first glance, unified sport also has so many differences between each governing body. the only real constant ive heard in this video is, the black belt is where the sport accually starts XD
I love this episode!!!!!
I practice a modified version of shito-ryu karate (shito-ryu but we don’t do all 100 katas or however many there are). For us there are 7 belts. White, yellow, orange, green, blue, brown, black. There are strips (pieces of electrical tape) that are for things such as attendance, basics, kata, nifunchi, and sparing which just help our renshi know where we are, and when we are ready to grade. Then there are dans once you’re a black belt which. All belts before black are estimated at 1 & 1/2 years between. You will be invited to a grading when you are deemed as ready which is a Saturday morning that happens roughly once every two months, where you show your skills and possibly earn a new belt.
You put it all together really nice.
Great story overall 💪👍
Cool video. Very thoughtful and even-handed analysis.
It's amazing seeing the different systems and their belts with Karate. Our school has white, yellow, orange, green, blue, purple, red, brown and black.
We got the same order here. What style? I'm in shito-ryu
That’s an interesting take on the black belt by Jesse. We have the same take in Kajukenbo, which has elements of karate. Black belt in kajukenbo means “death into a new beginning”.
this is such a well done video. bro congrats on making some fire content.
Enjoy your EASTER AND YOUR work week! SETH AND FAMILY! ABE WESTMORELAND
I've done judo for all my life and am a brown belt now. Back when I was in the classes with other kids that were also brown or lower belts I was always near the top of the class, winning randori's all the time and I knew it all. The second my sensei told me I needed to move up to the black belt/brown belt class I felt like I didn't know the sport I'd been doing for the last decade of my life at all. I've been training for almost a year now for my black belt, and still have at least one more to go before I can even try to get it. Just shows how big the gap is Alex talks about in the interview.
Just go to Japan. It’s not hard to get your first judo black belt in Japan. The Western world has mystified the concept of the black belt. In Japan you just register yourself for a shodan competition, if you win three consecutive matches you are then awarded a black belt.
I love my Karate Black Belt. Took me 7 years. Still have my jiu jistu white belt. Even though I've been training in multiple gyms for around 12 years lol.
such a cool video! fascinating to learn about all the differences and similarities between the belt systems. i'd be really interested to see a video about itf taekwondo - the differences between wt and itf are actually really interesting, especially when comparing it to karate!
Wow! I never thought of quitting as a purple belt, but boy did it feel like I hit a looong plateu!. Hearing these words made me feel better! Thanks, Mr. DEES! BTW. Seth, one of my life's biggest goals is to earn a black belt in karate and then continue on that journey. While it might not be popular for the zeitgeist. It definitely is a beautiful, fulfilling, and effective art.
Atleast for Judo (which is the only one where i can speak from experience) the belts varies alot from club to club and from country to country. In Sweden your black belt exam has to be examined by judges provided by the swedish judo federation. So its very official. And personally id say the time to get a black belt in Judo atleast where im from is most commonly 9-10 years
In Japan it takes one year.
@@jamesbyrd5175 I've heard this, but then again, I have trounced Japanese Black belts at our dojo...and even some that didn't know basic throws...so I wonder about the validity of the one year black belt ( 9 years studying Judo Brown belt, ex wrestler)
@@jamesbyrd5175 No, not really. In Japan many kids learn judo at school. There the basic idea is that as long as you follow the program and all it's requirements you get your Black Belt at HS graduation and go off to University to really start your serious judo training. In Japan the Universities are the feeder clubs for national and international competition. But at HS level you can kind of bimble through it and still get a BB, but you won't be any good.
There are also private judo clubs for non-university and worker types. the so called Machi (Local) Dojo. Here the standard of judo is much lower generally though of course there are exceptions. Again, you can kind of bimble through and get a BB that way.
For Judo and Aikido and maybe others there are also intensive programs where yes, you can get a BB in a year. But they are training every days for hours at a time. Yoshinkan Uchi-Deshi program is a good example of this - read the book "Angry White Pyjamas" by Robert Trigger for more on these programs.
So many routes exist up the mountain and BBs of various qualities can be gained along the way. Do martial arts for long enough and you'll realize it's all a bit of a fugazi. Standards and competency vary massively both within arts and within geography, and within organizations also. It's really impossible to make comparisons. Even BJJ is starting to water down requirements. There's always money to be made in granting belts - it's natural that over time standards slip as unscrupulous coaches increase revenue.
You should talk more about ITF taekwondo🥋
I love that Seth's Parents where his actual instructors, and since he was a kindergarten kid, he is still at it.
Loved the red belt story from Shintaro. Wish we could have seen more of what he had to say!
Having spent the last majority of my martial arts career in kickboxing where there is no defining belt system I never thought I would earn a true black belt, but now I'm so close to earning my black belt in Sanda under coach Ian Lee and I'm surprised at how important it has become to me.
So pumped for a new Sensei Seth video on my birthday! I was worried something happened to you, turns out you were doing a TON of research for this amazing video! Always was curious about the belt system as a former TKD guy, however I only made it to yellow belt (I guess I peed on it lmao 🤣) . Thanks for the information and great video! Oos!
Happy birthday!
Happy Birthday 🎉
Thanks so much!@@SenseiSeth
This is a good video on karate belts I am taking classes in red dragon karate which has a combination of judo shotokan, judo , taekwondo, kali Escrima & kung fu from wing Chung. I am currently an orange belt now.
I have been doing karate since I was 5 or 6 years old and I'm, still continuing my training each week. And I just graded 2 weeks ago, now which was a full grading even though I'm a brown belt just earned another black stripe added to my belt i already have for 4yrs and I am officially a 1st kyu brown belt as a student and now I have to practice my endurance every day and have to learn 2 new katas and also have to learn how to use a bo that is 6ft tall and put in a lot of work to earn a grading form and we get a green light to a pre-grading before I grade to get my black belt in a year or two when I'm 23 or 24 years old that's when I get my black belt. There are classes for little ninjas and then juniors but I was in that class at my dojo I train at for 18yrs so I was told to move up to the next class for seniors 16-50-year-olds. The main thing is never to give up a black belt is a white belt who never quits.
I grew up doing Karate (Goju Ryu specifically) and we had 8 belts but we had white, yellow, orange, green, blue, purple, brown, black.
Hey Seth, Would you consider doing a video on Hapkido? I'm sure my dojang would love to show you some stuff.
Seth I've seen a fair you adult beginners take their first step into competitive Judo (including in the first person) and you did really well in that Judo Competition especially for one session of training!
Learning Shorin-Ryu in the west, the belt system was explained to me as first there was only a belt (layman's usage of the word). Then when things formalized into the early "systems" there was just white a black as a means of distinguishing between student and teacher and you'd stay a white belt from day 0 until got your black. Then because of extrinsic motivational factors the original color system when I was a little kid was added, white->yellow->green->brown->black. That then evolved into adding just color tape wraps, 3 per belt of the next belt color, at the end of your belt to further break down where you were in your progress. Then they got rid of the tape wraps and instead added more belt colors to serve as a more formalized replacement of that intermediary tracking.
But no matter how it was tweaked it was always under the framework that it was all completely arbitrary and that black belt itself wasn't even the be all/end all. It merely signified that you've demonstrated a foundational level of competence that you could begin your actual journey with the martial art as an art form. The difference in the two sentences of "I practice to become a..." vs "I practice as a..."
I rather ask for years in practical training in the martial art, as what belt ones have.
Years of once a week, or years of all day every day? Years are not all the same...
bjj and judo
The 2 I train in , complete thruth
same
Cool video Seth! Recently I got my black belt in judo and aikido as I continue making progress in gojuryu karate (yellow belt) and just started Tomiki aikido.
The 3D explanation of the omnidirectional nature of jiu-jitsu is brilliant!
Never compared my PhD to a black belt before, but it is a really similar process and, if you don’t take breaks, time scale!
My PhD took four years to get but I’m still a BJJ white belt (2 Stripes) after more than a year. This is so much harder! 😂
Black belt at 11 is insane
You should make a short of that last 60 seconds of the video. His message is really powerful.
My children and I study in the United Ryu Kyu Kempo Alliance, one of the the Oyata lineage schools. We have 10 Kyu ranks, white, white black tip, yellow, orange, purple, blue(where my 9 year old daughter is who has been training since she was four), green, brown, brown one stripe, brown two stripe(where my 12 year old son is who has been training since he was five and is testing for youth shodan this summer), and then the dan ranks. I started when I was 36, earned my shodan at 39, and will be testing for nidan this summer at 41. We have both youth and adult dan ranks. The youth is apparent because of the red embroidery on the belt, where as adults have gold embroidery. The embroidery is the Japanese kanji for "Ryu Kyu Kempo Kobudo". The Dan ranks are identified by the embroidery on the gi jacket which has the kanji for the dan rank embroidered on the left lapel.
Would’ve loved to see Seth’s reaction to cord systems in capoeira 😆
Was planning on adding that, sashes and “gloves” in savate but was too long. I’ll do another one in the future!
Judo all the way. I'm testing for my yellow belt next week and it's been such a grind but it's so worth it
It took me a longtime time get my blade sash in kung fu. It’s a combo of Chen tai chi, hsing I, and bagua. Great arts mixed together. Takes about a decade to get one, but you’re learning three arts combined.
Been training for my black belt in bullshido wish me luck 🙏
Absolutely no disrespect to Frank Dees, but I don't think he did the best job of explaining the origins of BJJ and even the belt requirements. You also put way more effort into researching Judo than BJJ and there was no mention made about coral and red belts in BJJ.
I've trained in both, and BJJ on average forces you to spar way more, way earlier and learn more techniques in more positions. We also have to learn basic judo and wrestling throws, grips and fundamentals on top of that. Many gyms also have a curriculum and testing. My gym specifically tests at every belt except for black. At purple belt for example I had to know and demonstrate 51 techniques and then we're scored on an 8-round shark tank with no rest. I can send you the requirements for each belt. The Gracies and a few other gyms have something similar.
BJJ also holds you longer at each belt than any other martial art and the journey to black belt is highly dependent on your training volume/consistency as well as your ability to demonstrate what you've learned in live rolling either via competition or in training. When you take injuries into account, which are very common, it's usually closer to 10-15 years not 9. It's not crazy to be 3 years at white, 4 at blue, 4 at purple and then 4 at brown. That alone is 15 years.
That said, the absolute hardest black belt to achieve is the BJJ black belt without a shadow of a doubt. When you consider how few people make it to black belt I would rank it's difficulty somewhere between very high and improbable. Many black belts I've spoken with have said that for every 1000 students, 1 will make it to black belt. So that means if you start training in BJJ the likelihood of you achieving a black belt is 0.01%. There is no rank in any martial art that comes even close to being that difficult to achieve.
A judo black belt CAN be close in difficulty but that's highly dependent on the gym. Although on average it's usually not nearly as hard to attain.
Frank pretty much nailed it without writing a dissertation on it like most of us BJJ nerds would do. Chill lol
Wrong, judo black belt doesn't depend on the dojo. You can only get a certified one via an external jury at an official exam organized by the national judo federation. There are standards for this and the committees typically have very high dan grades themselves (typically 5-9).
@@mfp5585 good to know! Thank you. So it's less time then overall?
@@bryanfontez I got my first Dan black belt in 12 years, and my second Dan took another 16 years (although could have been faster, corona and 2 children caused a few years delay). If you are very good, train very often (>4x per week) and push hard for it, you might get 1st Dan judo in under 10 years.
@@bryanfontez or you can become national, continental, world or olympic champion. Way harder but you don't need to do an exam for Dan 1-3 if you get that (automatic promotion).
My Judo club does the fight 10 upper ranks for the next belt color, besides for white to green. Never knew there was a tradition behind. Nice video!
I got my first black belt on TKD after 3 years which is super fast yes but I also learned really fast and got acclimated to it better than others did. Most people in my dojang got their black belts after like 5 or so years
The progression you saw in this video are much different than what I had but that instructor’s explanation of it is exactly what I had to learn
If I could have another one though, I’d love a karate one
You and Jesse are my favorites on here. Seth you should help Jesse out on is his next KNX🎉 #OSU
I'm training for a black belt right now, in Taekwondo. I've had my 1st gup red belt for over 20 years now, so it's time to earn my 1st Dan.
In other martial arts, I have a 8th kyu orange in kenpo, a white sash in wing chun, and technically, a white belt in hapkido, because I went for a month. Lol I intend to make them all black before I'm through.
Oh good luck! I’m currently training for my ITF taekwondo black belt too! It’s been years and I’m very excited and had many years of hard work sweat and dedication. When is your exam date? How are you finding king fu? I was looking at it the other day. I quite like the look of the weapons training.
@jasonorourke1787 I started back about 5 or 6 weeks ago, so it'll probably be close to a year before I test- nonetheless, I'm going hard as I can. Lol
The wing chun is a lot of fun. I understand the principle, but getting it to work is another thing entirely. You can see the benefit though, with tkd being great covering distance, but not so much in close ranges, so I think of it as a way to fix that issue with my overall fighting style.
In France we have also a blue belt at judo, after the green one and before the brown.
Cool video by the way!
I always try to skip the promos unless the you can sneak it in. you got me again
Personally I’d rather just do Muay Thai and not worry about all that belt nonsense (and before anyone starts whining at me I’m a second Dan in Kenpo and a blue belt in bjj so I have done the belt thing ) but since doing Muay Thai and not bothering with all that it makes training so much easier and less stressful and less bs to deal with
for real, i practiced three more traditional martial arts and the belt stuff always ended up being what turned me off after a few years. then i started practising boxing and not being defined by a colourful accesory, but instead by your own skill felt so great
@@sky3_ow I mean don’t get me wrong I like the belts I was very happy when I got my bjj blue belt and when I got my Kenpo black belt because I know I worked my ass off for both of them. I was given no favours I had to work or I wouldn’t get it and I have nothing against belt rankings if it’s done right but in most places simply it isn’t. When I did my second Dan a guy I graded with should never in a million years have passed but he did and I’ve seen it in bjj to people who suck or simply weren’t that great got promoted for whatever reason and it gets to the stage where it’s like what’s the point they don’t mean anything
Judo by far.
Respect to all martial arts🤙🏼🥋
Same tbh! Especially pre Olympic rules judo
For me judo and karate
@@thunderkatz4219 Hell Yeah Judo and Karate covers everything you ever need.
Hi seth, I teach eskrima, to get the black belt in that was the hardest thing I have ever done..it is the only belt grade in eskrima, (not a belt system really except black.....goes up in levels) had a karate and gung fu equivalent.... for eskrima I had to fight/spa 48 rounds with a fresh opponent every time with whatever the weapon set (or not) was given and then perform given techniques... that was 23 years ago, and believe me I know, being realistic, I would struggle to attain it now...haha love the channel mate!
I really enjoyed this. I trained for a really long time. I stopped testing after second dan in my single style and diversified to other disciplines. I’ve trained in Kyokushin, Shotokan, Parker Kempo, JiuJitsu (japanese), Tan Soo Do, Chung do Kwan TKD, JKD, Wing Chun and Chen Tai Chi. They all have their value. The belt itself means nothing. I still have my original black belt with nothing on it. And I have worn a lot of white belts over the decades. Respect to all who take the time and discipline. It really does help you in the rest of your life.
Nice video as always!
Here is a video idea:
Compare kick box styles
JUDO, always!
Our Dojo belt system: White, Yellow (5th Kyu), Green, Red, Brown, 2nd Brown (1st Kyu), Black. No stripes. 5 to 6 years of training is average to test for 1st Degree Black Belt. Our school/style goes to 5th Dan. It is primarily Eskrima-Kali-Arnis, but we also do Traditional Karate & Classical Yoga, so we follow the Karate belt system. 5 Kyu then 5 Dan. Each coloured belt test is consecutively longer, building up to the 20 hour black belt test.
Great video! I’ve been studying in Shaolin Kempo for going on 31 years. I teach it too. I am currently a 3rd degree black belt going for 4th later this year. The belts we have are
White
Yellow
Orange
Blue
Blue with Green stripe
Green
Green with Brown stripe
Brown 3rd degree
Brown 2nd degree
Brown 1st degree
Red
Red with black stripe or Half Red Half Black
Black
So we have a lot of belts. It take an average of 5-10 years to go from white to black in my system. Thank you for the video. 🙏
I'd choose Taekwondo and the Muay Thai equivalent of a black belt, not because these are in anyway better than other martial arts, I just like stand-up martial arts more than grappling/takedown focussed ones, plus I want to become a human bay-blade.