I could watch this guy talk about minor features of various simracing hardware forever. Few have genuine in-depth love for the things they work with. With Top Gear gone, this is my James May fix. Brilliant.
Exactly. The same care and always ensuring that we see the same thing as he does. I have only seen a couple of videos but I just like his style and the insight. BR, Per (Denmark)
I like how calm and temperate this review was. Other reviews of the same system have it as "the best thing that ever happened on Earth, ever!!!!!1!". Barry nails again: Overall great wheel, great value, but not without flaws.
The wheel in the v2 Pro version is much sturdier and more impressive it seems. Design has been updated considerably as well. For a cheaper price at $1300, couldn't be happier with a turn-key solution when a DIY mige doesn't run you much less.
You CAN move those paddles in, by looking at the holes in the paddles, just place the screw that contacts the button into one of the two closer holes and the screws that hold the paddle on at the outer holes.
I love the hight/position of your wheel. I have it the same hight and most of my friend's that I speak to "thinks" it's too high. I try to explain that to them that it's actually in that position in a real race car (IMSA or GT3) but they don't seem to belive me and continue to drive there high end simulator with expensive hardware as it was a bus 🚌 Anyway it's a solid review of the DD wheel from Accuforce 👍
AccuForce owes you some commission now. There's no way I couldn't buy it. The only other time I've heard 'I can't explain this' was VR, and that was worth every penny.
Hands down the BEST review for a product I have ever watched. I am in the market for a DD system. Currently running the Thrustmaster T500RS. And while I know my current wheel is considered an intermediate one, I am convinced it is only for the casual gamer. This video sold me on the Accuforce Pro V2. Thanks!
I can't believe I watched the whole thing! This really was an amazing review, especially when he takes the motor apart. Also seeing it in action on his rig was great to see. He really shows why this kit is priced at $1800. It really looks like it is worth every penny. Not that I would ever buy one but man it is nice.
If anyone is wondering comparison to bodnar or opensimwheel, he said comparison coming in another video. Either way this is amazing review and I can't wait for the comparison review and how does opensimwheel stand up to accuforce or bodnar.
Its a trip seeing how far along barry was 5. He still had a great setup but seems to have moved into a bigger shop and quadrupled his sim assets with updated versions of everything as well.
Barry, I'd like to congratulate you for this review, but not only that. As the DD wheels are a step up when compared to the belt driven wheels or whatever, you are a step up to the sim racing reviewers. Thank you for that and I hope you really improve the competition!!! And please don't forget to also review the ordinary stuff, ok. I'm really looking forward to the ProtoSimTech pedals review when they are out (even tough they're not ordinary at all!!!!). Cheers!!!
Aritan Maia In the future we will be looking to do reviews on the "normal" Sim Racers hardware. But we are not sure just how much interest there is for that. Don't know if folks want to sit through a SRG length video for say a Logitech G27 wheel kit. We will do one anyway just to see what kind of response we get.
Sim Racing Garage well, of course there will be a different audience, and I don't think a 60/90 mins review will attract many people interested in a G27 or T300 , cheers
needs a lot of courage to take a brand new $1800 wheel and disassembly it and for that we thank you. by far the best sim hardware reviewer out there!ps: I'm still curious about the controller box. did you take a look inside?
Marcos Daniel Vozer Felisberto I was going to do that, but there really isn't much to see other than some PCB's and a power supply. And a fan thrown in to keep things cool. But, I will be opening all the controller boxes during the comparison video. Just to show the different approaches DD wheel developers take.
Fantastic review, really liked it. You're attention to detail is second to none. Possible review series idea for you to add to the list of components you review, since you already do wheels, pedals, shifters, button boxes, and other stuff. However one thing you don't do is actual wheel reviews, and I think that would be interesting. Definitely not as involved as these other reviews, but at least from a consumer stand point who is interested in the more serious and DIY side of sim racing, that would be very helpful and interesting to see comparisons of various wheels and their compatibility with various setups. Food for thought.
Sim Racing Garage Yes, I have seen that one. However I was referring more to the various big name rims available, such as MOMO, Sparco, etc., etc.. One thing I've been wondering is how the MOMO Mod 27C or Mod 29 compares to other similar wheels such as the Sparco P 260 or P 310.
What was the ffb setting at in game? Excellent review btw! I am really looking forward to the DD comparison review. I have an Accuforce ordered (be another month to receive) but am considering doing a diy OSW ( Bruteforce) wheel.
Welp...you just sold another Barry. I hope mine arrives here soon! Wonderful review, enough to push me over the ledge and finally take the plunge. VERY EXCITED to get in some practice at Sebring in the iRacing 911 GT3!
I've been waiting for this for some time. Although I'm subscribed to the channel I missed that this video had been released until now. Great review as always. Really looking forward to the comparison vid :)
Hi Barry, first of all, great review. I can confirm that there definitely is a bit of flex in the wheel shaft itself, i have one of these myself and my rig is very solid as i reinforced it with large pieces of steel half squares and 1/2" threaded bars. I've used a few different types of wheels and they all still flex a slight amount if i try to test it from the wheel itself, and when i look at the quick release mount, i can clearly see that area moving around independent of the base, if i grab the motor housing and try to move that around, it doesn't budge. That said, most real cars will have a bit of flex in the steering column anyways, so it's not that big of a deal, i don't notice the flex a huge amount when driving and i use the "high" setting in rF2 with the FFB multi adjusted so that some of the very high peaks are clipped to maximize the wheels strength. I only ever notice it in high speed corners in a car with a lot of downforce where you'll have a constant high load on the wheel.
Paul Loatman I agree, all wheels have flex. Some more than others. And there is flex or movement in my QR assembly. Also either the black hub itself, or the actual motor shaft. I notice because I use the Bodnar. It's motor shaft is twice as thick and shorter in length that the Accuforce. Plus I use the Q1R QR system which is the most solid QR I have ever used. But at the end of the day the Accuforce is a great DD FFB system. I would not hesitate to recommend it to anyone looking for a DD system. Especially at it's price point.
Aris Teidis Yes that is turning out to be a fun, but labor intensive process. I will be a few weeks before we get that out. Want to make sure we present a comparison that is as balance as we can.
excellent indepth review as always, you're becoming my ASMR sim reviewer ! It's not clear, at least to me, if you put on a wheel, like your Momo, with a dsiplay and other buttons will work, I mean the motec display etc..
slick2000tiscali Yes my custom wheels electronics pods work with no problems. But I still have to use the coiled USB cable. Which, for me personally, is the best solution. Lot of flexibility to run my custom wheels with any Sim Wheel motor.
that wheel flex and hub OMG. i also think that angle bracket adds flex. but also side to side flex. that's in the button an schifter assembly / shaft of the motor ? the shaft is too long by default in my opinion and they didn't look at wheel weight and flex. all the default wheels it comes with also momo's you can choos eare heavy and huge.
First time writing a comment. Thank you for this awesome review sir, we ( i ) really appreciate it. Keep up the good work, you are one of the best youtuber out there, you definitely deserve alot more subs!
First review of Sim Racing Garage I have ever watched. Me like a lot. :-) Too bad you don't have the EC simhardware Pro SW direct drive wheel to review.
Barry, I noticed you still had flex when you even put the Momo on. I noticed that the whole "clockspring" (as it's called in a car) assembly also moved with it. So the black part to which the hub is attached with the rotating PCBs. Anyway, that it moves leads me to believe that there is enough room around the motor's shaft that the whole 'hub assembly' pivots on that single screw that holds it all onto the said shaft. Am I correct with this assumption? Cause that would mean that Leo Bodnar's solution would be a far more solid one if you ask me. Cause there is zero flex in that connection, but agreed zero cabling as well.
LogiForce86 Yes you are right. The Black hub that contains the PCB's does use a single bolt to attach the assembly to the motor shaft. I don't think the bolt would cause any flex, as the motor shaft is contained in a steel sleeve that is left over after hollowing out the hub for PCB fitment. And, that sleeve runs the entire length of the hub. I do think that the fact that the hub needed to be hollowed out to accommodate the PCB's causes it to flex more that a solid hub. The front of the PCB hub is much thinner than a solid hub of the same size would be. But, if you want to have a "pass through" capability for your electrical signals, I don't see a way to avoid this with the way it is implemented here. There are always compromises in any wheel setup out there. Once I bolted my Q1R release directly to the PCB hub, and installed my MOMO Mod 30 wheel with the Sam Maxwell electronics pod, the only movement I can see is in the space between the PCB hub and the front of the motor housing. With that movement being less than before. The Q1R QR is the most solid QR I have ever used. No perceptible flex at all.
The perceptible flex really depends on how solid the surface is that you've mounted the wheel too. Which has quite some flex in it in your case, and thus you won't be able to feel it. If you'd mount it to, for example, a solid heavy workbench than you'd notice the flex a lot more. This is what happened between me and a friend of mine. I have a flexible rSeat Evo but he has a really solid desk. I didn't percieve any flex with the CSWv2 and the new QR hub, but he on the otherside was extremely annoyed over the little flex that was still there. What I want to get at is that maybe you can't percieve it with your setup, but someone else's more solid rig might cause that person to notice it and possibly be annoyed by it. As far as a solution. I think you need to make a shaft clamp like SimSteering uses and than build/attach the clockspring to the back of it. Drilling a small hole for a cable through the shaft clamp going to the female Q1R hub part that you'd attach to the shaft clamp. Or at least something like that. It shouldn't be too hard for SimXperience with a little more thinking, but the single screw solution is never great. It would be better with 3 screws so it's cross clamped and stable. :)
since i already purchased the wheel i am a little bit worried about the flex issue. for a wheel of this price category i expected it to be nothing but tight and solid
RJ Ferrara You shouldn't have any problem while driving the wheel. I has flex, but I don't think most people would notice it when driving. I do because I'm used to running MOMO racing wheels. They are lighter and stiffer than the generic wheel that is included in the Pro Kit. I'm sure you will love your new wheel. So, just sit back and relax, while the hours tick by until you have the Accuforce in hand.
Sim Racing Garage just received my wheel...finally:) surprisingly it has NO flex at all....stiff as a rock:) just a bit wondering though about you saying you are preferring the "generic" FFB instead of the sim commander "FFB foundation". The difference is HUGE...i am not trying to be super smart here...but are you sure you pre-launched the sim commander 4 iracing plug-in correctly before starting iracing. if not sim commander will deliver "generic"FFB without telling you...just starting sim commander and leave it open is not doing the job....anyways thx for the review:)
Niice review and in depth as always. Much appreciated. Wondering if there's a way to use such a nice peripheral on console games as well. After such a financial investment it would be just short of heaven to not have to have to use another wheel for consoles. Were you still using the simxperience pedals? Are they your preferred pedals now? I have read where they can be used on consoles and I gotta get some of those. Thanks , Barry and keep your channel churning out more great reviews and comparisions.
Jayson McConnell The pedals are the Sim Pedals from MPPC, as Villet mentioned. Just having a lot of fun with the GT pedal configuration right now to change them. And yes, these are the only high end pedals I know of currently that have XBOX/Playstaion 3/4 compatability.
I love your reviews! I'm trying to build a system and this has helped me loads. I hope you don't mind if answering a few questions. Sorry if a part of it is off topic. Is the AccuForce wheel a huge upgrade over the CSW V2? Also, is the HE ultimate pedals much better than the PROs. I intend on using this system to practice my racecraft. I kart at the regional level and I'm sure sim racing will help with racecraft. Thanks Barry.
I love watching these long reviews. However this time I have a complaint. I would have liked to see more about the power supply. And maybe hear more about it too. Is it loud etc.?
Erwin Lommer It is fairly loud, much louder than my PC, but luckily the fan is temperature controlled. When I'm not using the wheel, the fan turns on every 45/60 minutes for a few minutes.
Sim Sektion Yes the fan is loud, but does not run that often. Plus, with my surround sound and all the other things going on in my rig, I don't notice it.
Nice Review as usual Barry ... my AF does not flex in the same way yours does and I wonder is it your mount/frame as my AF Pro is on a very solid steel cockpit. I have tried it with the af wheel and a momo 280mm and to get the same feel on the larger wheel you can adjust dampening and inertia lower. Also the Paddle Shifters are adjustable and can be moved inwards for smaller wheels as the second springed screw has a hole made specially for it to go into. It moves the paddles in by 20mm. Only gripe I have is many of the better/pro review such as yours only ever test using iRacing which gives a very narrow field of reference for viewers. Not every sim racer (me included) likes iRacing as I hate subscription models (ripoff) or they just prefer mainly race offline and there is some great sims besides iRacing. How about when reviewing something like the AF you try it with Project Cars & Assetto Corsa and rFactor2 ? I race all those titles, they are brilliant, and the Accuforce Pro behaves diffferently in each according the how the Simcommander4 software is setup. It would be a shame if your upcoming comparison of the AF / OSW / LB is purely based on iRacing again !
First time watching Sim Racing Garage. Will for sure follow you, and use some of the "tools" when i can afford to upgrade from g27. I would like to know if you think the g27 and g29 would have been a good starter wheel if the clucking noise and dead sone where gone and if you would have bought an upgrade for that at about 60$ price tag ? I have done a fix for this and can manufacture the needed parts. I just don`t know what type of volume i`m looking at, and if enough people think this is a big issue. I would sincerely appreciate it if you had any word on this.
Very nice review! Im thinking about getting an AF wheel myself. If I buy the Momo Mod 30 do I need to purchase a second Quick Release for it? I want to change the wheels instantly :) thanks for help
many compatible issues with codemaster games. Slip ring faulty issues still not resolved and not available for online purchase as promised, so in the end you have to connect the wheel with a USB cable. Not happy at all.
Hello Barry. Great review. Very interestig from technical point for me since i like some DIY things to work on. I have a question. SimXperience and Leo Bondar are both use servomotors. And to me Leo's Kollmorgen motor looks bigger that SimX's motor. Is there a big difference in feeling FFB on that motors? And is there a big difference in way they are controlled by some servodriver?
Snoop Drift-Era Well, most folks have said that the Accuforce motor is a stepper motor, not a Servo motor. I will be the first to admit, I'm no expert or authority on the subject. There is a difference in the FFB feel between the two wheel systems. I will go into more detail in the DD FFB wheel comparison video currently in production.
Your 'Table Of Contents' in the description isn't working correctly. Full urls reload the page and don't go to the specific part. May you please edit the description so that links are just minutes and seconds in mm:ss format? Like 00:55, 09:55, 29:08 etc. This will jump to the right point as well as not reload the page. Thank you in advance.
Start watching at around 10:11. The hole pattern on the wheel it an industry standard 70mm. I remove the stock wheel from the pod and test fit a couple of others to the existing pod. Then I remove the pod from the hub. Here you can directly attach any wheel, including one's with custom button plates, as long as your screws are long enough and you have a 70mm hole pattern.
Barry, excellent review as always. Can i ask how does the AF Pro compare in max torque strength and ffb fidelity to your bodnar in your opinion? Thank you!
DrR1pper Not done with comparison testing, but I can say the Bodnar motor has more torque available as most probably expect. I'll let everyone know all the details of the differences in the comparison video.
Hi! All of these direct drive reviews I could find on YT are mostly based on iRacing and the benefits you get in iRacing. What about other sims? Do other sims even give that much information to the FFB wheel as iRacing does and does switching to a direct drive wheel make as much sense if you're driving other sims as it does if you're driving iRacing?
Please help me. I have a question: With the quick release, can i put on the accuforce base another wheel like Thrustmaster Ferrari F1, Formula Rim by Fanatec, SRW-S1 SIMRACEWAY F1 Wheel, etc??? Anyway, is an awesome review!!!!!!
How can you say that the wheel is like something you'd get off Ebay? It's MUCH higher quality than that. I had a wheel laying around that I bought from ebay and was thinking of switching the button box onto it but the wheel that comes with the Accuforce is 10x the quality of that Also my wheel doesn't bow like yours did. I just got mine this week and it's amazing....good review otherwise.
So I got my accuforce yesterday and am having trouble finding Iracing when it auto searches in SIM commander. And can't find any video of how to manually add it to SIM commaner. Would you happen to know? I'm disappointed its been a big hassle for me.
Well, the Accuforce no longer ships with the "Slip Ring" function. Great idea, just not the most durable solution. So all wheels, including the one you get with the "Pro" addition of the Accuforce, will be connected through a cable. Which in my opinion is the most reliable method to date for connecting a wheels electronics to a computer. Personally, I've never had an issue with a wheels cable becoming tangled.
It's $1300. I'd rather buy the OSW for that price and get something with more power and feedback. This one has 13nm OSW has close to 30nm. for the same price.
Olivier Do We are working on a comparison video between the Accuforce, Bodnar, and OSW aka DIY wheel. You will be able to watch that and get your answer when we publish it.
Hi, I have afew questions. I want to get into sim racing but I'm don't know anything about it. Can I pair this wheel with any pedal and shifter out there? Will it all be recognized in the Accuforce software? Where can I find compatibility of things???
Sim Racing Garage Typed my question right before I watched the last few seconds of the vid lol. Be good to see someone tackle an OSW build on youtube. Thinking about it myself but I'm unsure I really have the skillset required.
Barry, what size is the horn button hole? I'm on Ebay looking for a custom replacement for my Accuforce which is coming this week but don't know the size. thanks
Gorilla Jones Most wheels that I have used are cut to an industry standard size for the horn button. So, I don't think you should have any issues. Even a China version wheel, if they are shipping them to the USA, should be the same standard.
Goe Bann It will be a while yet. These things take a lot of time to shoot. Changing out the hardware, spending proper amounts of time using each wheel. Doing my best to keep a level playing field. It's not easy. Plus I have work and other hobbies to attend to!
Best sim hardware reviewer out there.
Thomas Wyatt Thanks for the vote of confidence!
I could watch this guy talk about minor features of various simracing hardware forever. Few have genuine in-depth love for the things they work with. With Top Gear gone, this is my James May fix. Brilliant.
Exactly. The same care and always ensuring that we see the same thing as he does. I have only seen a couple of videos but I just like his style and the insight. BR, Per (Denmark)
Best Sim Racing Reviews are here folks; period!
Thanks Barry for the giant effort to produce these for us, we REALLY appreciate it.
I like how calm and temperate this review was. Other reviews of the same system have it as "the best thing that ever happened on Earth, ever!!!!!1!".
Barry nails again: Overall great wheel, great value, but not without flaws.
Carimbo575 Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
The wheel in the v2 Pro version is much sturdier and more impressive it seems. Design has been updated considerably as well. For a cheaper price at $1300, couldn't be happier with a turn-key solution when a DIY mige doesn't run you much less.
You CAN move those paddles in, by looking at the holes in the paddles, just place the screw that contacts the button into one of the two closer holes and the screws that hold the paddle on at the outer holes.
Pure quality, both the wheel and the review, keep it up
Danilo Jacobs Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
One of the PG videos. I remember stumbling across this channel 3 or 4 years ago. 15k later or so.. An I'm still watching an learning lol.
I love the hight/position of your wheel. I have it the same hight and most of my friend's that I speak to "thinks" it's too high. I try to explain that to them that it's actually in that position in a real race car (IMSA or GT3) but they don't seem to belive me and continue to drive there high end simulator with expensive hardware as it was a bus 🚌 Anyway it's a solid review of the DD wheel from Accuforce 👍
Never noticed your archery gear in the background, nice to see another archer.
metalnwood Yeah, one of my other hobbies. Target only though. I really like the Zen aspect of Archery.
AccuForce owes you some commission now. There's no way I couldn't buy it. The only other time I've heard 'I can't explain this' was VR, and that was worth every penny.
My accuforce pro is still going strong all these years later with no failure.
Hands down the BEST review for a product I have ever watched. I am in the market for a DD system. Currently running the Thrustmaster T500RS. And while I know my current wheel is considered an intermediate one, I am convinced it is only for the casual gamer.
This video sold me on the Accuforce Pro V2.
Thanks!
I'm in the same boat as you but considering between Fanatec's New DD CSL and an accuforce ($200 difference after shipping and taxes)
The long wait for the best possible review of this wheel is finally over,
Feeling like a kid at Christmas.
This is going to be a greate day!
I can't believe I watched the whole thing!
This really was an amazing review, especially when he takes the motor apart. Also seeing it in action on his rig was great to see. He really shows why this kit is priced at $1800. It really looks like it is worth every penny. Not that I would ever buy one but man it is nice.
jimmy r Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
If anyone is wondering comparison to bodnar or opensimwheel, he said comparison coming in another video. Either way this is amazing review and I can't wait for the comparison review and how does opensimwheel stand up to accuforce or bodnar.
Its a trip seeing how far along barry was 5. He still had a great setup but seems to have moved into a bigger shop and quadrupled his sim assets with updated versions of everything as well.
Barry, I'd like to congratulate you for this review, but not only that. As the DD wheels are a step up when compared to the belt driven wheels or whatever, you are a step up to the sim racing reviewers. Thank you for that and I hope you really improve the competition!!! And please don't forget to also review the ordinary stuff, ok. I'm really looking forward to the ProtoSimTech pedals review when they are out (even tough they're not ordinary at all!!!!). Cheers!!!
Aritan Maia In the future we will be looking to do reviews on the "normal" Sim Racers hardware. But we are not sure just how much interest there is for that. Don't know if folks want to sit through a SRG length video for say a Logitech G27 wheel kit. We will do one anyway just to see what kind of response we get.
Sim Racing Garage well, of course there will be a different audience, and I don't think a 60/90 mins review will attract many people interested in a G27 or T300 , cheers
Wow. A LOT of info here! between you and Shaun Cole's review, we are truly spoiled. Thanks for this!
Den Burnout Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Albeit very lengthy, it was a very thorough review. You helped me justify my pro v2 purchase. Thank you.
needs a lot of courage to take a brand new $1800 wheel and disassembly it and for that we thank you. by far the best sim hardware reviewer out there!ps: I'm still curious about the controller box. did you take a look inside?
Marcos Daniel Vozer Felisberto I was going to do that, but there really isn't much to see other than some PCB's and a power supply. And a fan thrown in to keep things cool. But, I will be opening all the controller boxes during the comparison video. Just to show the different approaches DD wheel developers take.
lol, the AM tee shirt is a very funny touch, good joke there.
Fair play to you buddy. It`s 9:11 In Ireland watch & listening to a excellent reviewer on a subject I`m into watching the wheels goodbye lol 10 out 10
Fantastic review, really liked it. You're attention to detail is second to none. Possible review series idea for you to add to the list of components you review, since you already do wheels, pedals, shifters, button boxes, and other stuff. However one thing you don't do is actual wheel reviews, and I think that would be interesting. Definitely not as involved as these other reviews, but at least from a consumer stand point who is interested in the more serious and DIY side of sim racing, that would be very helpful and interesting to see comparisons of various wheels and their compatibility with various setups. Food for thought.
IntrepidRacer13 I do have a review here of the Sam Maxwell costum MOMO's that I own. Have you seen that one?
Sim Racing Garage Yes, I have seen that one. However I was referring more to the various big name rims available, such as MOMO, Sparco, etc., etc.. One thing I've been wondering is how the MOMO Mod 27C or Mod 29 compares to other similar wheels such as the Sparco P 260 or P 310.
Barry, thank you for another excellent review! I'm sure there was a lot of people waiting for this one.
***** Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
As usual from SRG a super detailed review, great job Barry. Keep up the fantastic work Brother.
The circular trace assembly would be very similar to the wireless handheld microphone capsule assemblies you get
Wow this was my first review that I have watched and I'm very impressed I got to try that wheel this past weekend at long beach and it felt very good.
True Racer Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
What was the ffb setting at in game? Excellent review btw! I am really looking forward to the DD comparison review. I have an Accuforce ordered (be another month to receive) but am considering doing a diy OSW ( Bruteforce) wheel.
So satisfiying to watch a great driver!
Welp...you just sold another Barry. I hope mine arrives here soon! Wonderful review, enough to push me over the ledge and finally take the plunge. VERY EXCITED to get in some practice at Sebring in the iRacing 911 GT3!
Great video, as I was coming to terms with waiting for my order to fullfill this video happens to show up in my feed...lol
Mike Heikes Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Outstanding review Barry!
James High Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
I've been waiting for this for some time. Although I'm subscribed to the channel I missed that this video had been released until now. Great review as always.
Really looking forward to the comparison vid :)
Hi Barry, first of all, great review. I can confirm that there definitely is a bit of flex in the wheel shaft itself, i have one of these myself and my rig is very solid as i reinforced it with large pieces of steel half squares and 1/2" threaded bars. I've used a few different types of wheels and they all still flex a slight amount if i try to test it from the wheel itself, and when i look at the quick release mount, i can clearly see that area moving around independent of the base, if i grab the motor housing and try to move that around, it doesn't budge.
That said, most real cars will have a bit of flex in the steering column anyways, so it's not that big of a deal, i don't notice the flex a huge amount when driving and i use the "high" setting in rF2 with the FFB multi adjusted so that some of the very high peaks are clipped to maximize the wheels strength. I only ever notice it in high speed corners in a car with a lot of downforce where you'll have a constant high load on the wheel.
Paul Loatman I agree, all wheels have flex. Some more than others. And there is flex or movement in my QR assembly. Also either the black hub itself, or the actual motor shaft. I notice because I use the Bodnar. It's motor shaft is twice as thick and shorter in length that the Accuforce. Plus I use the Q1R QR system which is the most solid QR I have ever used. But at the end of the day the Accuforce is a great DD FFB system. I would not hesitate to recommend it to anyone looking for a DD system. Especially at it's price point.
Simply put, Best Reviews On CZcams !!!
Great review, thank you! I can't wait for the Direct Drive Force Feedback Wheel comparison (I'm interested in making a MMos/RFR - diy wheel)!
Aris Teidis Yes that is turning out to be a fun, but labor intensive process. I will be a few weeks before we get that out. Want to make sure we present a comparison that is as balance as we can.
excellent indepth review as always, you're becoming my ASMR sim reviewer !
It's not clear, at least to me, if you put on a wheel, like your Momo, with a dsiplay and other buttons will work, I mean the motec display etc..
slick2000tiscali Yes my custom wheels electronics pods work with no problems. But I still have to use the coiled USB cable. Which, for me personally, is the best solution. Lot of flexibility to run my custom wheels with any Sim Wheel motor.
that wheel flex and hub OMG. i also think that angle bracket adds flex.
but also side to side flex. that's in the button an schifter assembly / shaft of the motor ?
the shaft is too long by default in my opinion and they didn't look at wheel weight and flex. all the default wheels it comes with also momo's you can choos eare heavy and huge.
Was I the only one around minute 43 screaming at the screen "FFS Barry it's a slip ring!"
Feature-length review! l might need popcorn for this...
Betta Lines Make sure you bring the butter! LOL!
Barry = simply the best. Will you be doing a review of PST pedal set?
Simwits Racing Yes, I am in line to receive a set once they begin shipping.
Looking forward to watching this.
Thanks for the review:D
TheSarcasmO83 My pleasure.
You are amazing. Thank you so much for this review.
Great review. I learned a lot from this video. Thanks for making it and keep up the awesome work!
ihamptonii Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
First time writing a comment. Thank you for this awesome review sir, we ( i ) really appreciate it. Keep up the good work, you are one of the best youtuber out there, you definitely deserve alot more subs!
Leo Lamm Thanks for the kind words! No worries on the amount of subs the channel gets. I don't let CZcams advertise on my videos anyway.
Excellent video as always
laroofingltd Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
didn't know this guy existed awesome reveiw
First review of Sim Racing Garage I have ever watched. Me like a lot. :-)
Too bad you don't have the EC simhardware Pro SW direct drive wheel to review.
Goe Bann They were going to send me one for review, but it has been delayed.
Excellent job on this video. Thank you.
Barry, I noticed you still had flex when you even put the Momo on. I noticed that the whole "clockspring" (as it's called in a car) assembly also moved with it. So the black part to which the hub is attached with the rotating PCBs.
Anyway, that it moves leads me to believe that there is enough room around the motor's shaft that the whole 'hub assembly' pivots on that single screw that holds it all onto the said shaft.
Am I correct with this assumption? Cause that would mean that Leo Bodnar's solution would be a far more solid one if you ask me. Cause there is zero flex in that connection, but agreed zero cabling as well.
LogiForce86 Yes you are right. The Black hub that contains the PCB's does use a single bolt to attach the assembly to the motor shaft. I don't think the bolt would cause any flex, as the motor shaft is contained in a steel sleeve that is left over after hollowing out the hub for PCB fitment. And, that sleeve runs the entire length of the hub. I do think that the fact that the hub needed to be hollowed out to accommodate the PCB's causes it to flex more that a solid hub. The front of the PCB hub is much thinner than a solid hub of the same size would be. But, if you want to have a "pass through" capability for your electrical signals, I don't see a way to avoid this with the way it is implemented here. There are always compromises in any wheel setup out there. Once I bolted my Q1R release directly to the PCB hub, and installed my MOMO Mod 30 wheel with the Sam Maxwell electronics pod, the only movement I can see is in the space between the PCB hub and the front of the motor housing. With that movement being less than before. The Q1R QR is the most solid QR I have ever used. No perceptible flex at all.
The perceptible flex really depends on how solid the surface is that you've mounted the wheel too. Which has quite some flex in it in your case, and thus you won't be able to feel it. If you'd mount it to, for example, a solid heavy workbench than you'd notice the flex a lot more.
This is what happened between me and a friend of mine. I have a flexible rSeat Evo but he has a really solid desk. I didn't percieve any flex with the CSWv2 and the new QR hub, but he on the otherside was extremely annoyed over the little flex that was still there.
What I want to get at is that maybe you can't percieve it with your setup, but someone else's more solid rig might cause that person to notice it and possibly be annoyed by it.
As far as a solution. I think you need to make a shaft clamp like SimSteering uses and than build/attach the clockspring to the back of it. Drilling a small hole for a cable through the shaft clamp going to the female Q1R hub part that you'd attach to the shaft clamp.
Or at least something like that. It shouldn't be too hard for SimXperience with a little more thinking, but the single screw solution is never great. It would be better with 3 screws so it's cross clamped and stable. :)
another top notch and very detailed review, i look forward to your head to head comparison (",)
SimRacing Life Thanks for watching!
@ 30:24 Barry even teaches sex education? Keeps a straight face and everything! True professional right there folks!
Barry you know how to do a review! thanks a lot!
Marco Forestieri Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you.
Helder Pimenta Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Graet video - super detail. Out of interest, what gear did you use to film it with? And was your mic wireless ... what make is it? Very nice done.
since i already purchased the wheel i am a little bit worried about the flex issue.
for a wheel of this price category i expected it to be nothing but tight and solid
RJ Ferrara You shouldn't have any problem while driving the wheel. I has flex, but I don't think most people would notice it when driving. I do because I'm used to running MOMO racing wheels. They are lighter and stiffer than the generic wheel that is included in the Pro Kit. I'm sure you will love your new wheel. So, just sit back and relax, while the hours tick by until you have the Accuforce in hand.
Sim Racing Garage just received my wheel...finally:) surprisingly it has NO flex at all....stiff as a rock:) just a bit wondering though about you saying you are preferring the "generic" FFB instead of the sim commander "FFB foundation". The difference is HUGE...i am not trying to be super smart here...but are you sure you pre-launched the sim commander 4 iracing plug-in correctly before starting iracing. if not sim commander will deliver "generic"FFB without telling you...just starting sim commander and leave it open is not doing the job....anyways thx for the review:)
Niice review and in depth as always. Much appreciated. Wondering if there's a way to use such a nice peripheral on console games as well. After such a financial investment it would be just short of heaven to not have to have to use another wheel for consoles. Were you still using the simxperience pedals? Are they your preferred pedals now? I have read where they can be used on consoles and I gotta get some of those. Thanks , Barry and keep your channel churning out more great reviews and comparisions.
Jayson McConnell It looks like he's using the MPPC pedals
Jayson McConnell The pedals are the Sim Pedals from MPPC, as Villet mentioned. Just having a lot of fun with the GT pedal configuration right now to change them. And yes, these are the only high end pedals I know of currently that have XBOX/Playstaion 3/4 compatability.
I love your reviews! I'm trying to build a system and this has helped me loads.
I hope you don't mind if answering a few questions. Sorry if a part of it is off topic.
Is the AccuForce wheel a huge upgrade over the CSW V2?
Also, is the HE ultimate pedals much better than the PROs. I intend on using this system to practice my racecraft. I kart at the regional level and I'm sure sim racing will help with racecraft.
Thanks Barry.
I love watching these long reviews. However this time I have a complaint. I would have liked to see more about the power supply. And maybe hear more about it too. Is it loud etc.?
Erwin Lommer It is fairly loud, much louder than my PC, but luckily the fan is temperature controlled. When I'm not using the wheel, the fan turns on every 45/60 minutes for a few minutes.
Sim Sektion Yes the fan is loud, but does not run that often. Plus, with my surround sound and all the other things going on in my rig, I don't notice it.
Just great as usual!
nclabs Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Nice Review as usual Barry ... my AF does not flex in the same way yours does and I wonder is it your mount/frame as my AF Pro is on a very solid steel cockpit. I have tried it with the af wheel and a momo 280mm and to get the same feel on the larger wheel you can adjust dampening and inertia lower.
Also the Paddle Shifters are adjustable and can be moved inwards for smaller wheels as the second springed screw has a hole made specially for it to go into. It moves the paddles in by 20mm.
Only gripe I have is many of the better/pro review such as yours only ever test using iRacing which gives a very narrow field of reference for viewers. Not every sim racer (me included) likes iRacing as I hate subscription models (ripoff) or they just prefer mainly race offline and there is some great sims besides iRacing.
How about when reviewing something like the AF you try it with Project Cars & Assetto Corsa and rFactor2 ? I race all those titles, they are brilliant, and the Accuforce Pro behaves diffferently in each according the how the Simcommander4 software is setup.
It would be a shame if your upcoming comparison of the AF / OSW / LB is purely based on iRacing again !
27:30 I think you can move the paddles in because the adjusting screw can go through the spare hole in the paddle ?
Sim Sektion Yes. The paddles have two positions. They can move inward from where they are in the video.
Sim Sektion Yes, I discovered that after the video was done. My apologies for the over sight to Pat and the guys at SimXperience.
First time watching Sim Racing Garage. Will for sure follow you, and use some of the "tools" when i can afford to upgrade from g27.
I would like to know if you think the g27 and g29 would have been a good starter wheel if the clucking noise and dead sone where gone and if you would have bought an upgrade for that at about 60$ price tag ?
I have done a fix for this and can manufacture the needed parts. I just don`t know what type of volume i`m looking at, and if enough people think this is a big issue. I would sincerely appreciate it if you had any word on this.
It's nice to know this exists in case I ever win the lottery. Guess I'll have to stick with my Fanatec crap. Great review as always. Very well done.
Very nice review! Im thinking about getting an AF wheel myself.
If I buy the Momo Mod 30 do I need to purchase a second Quick Release for it?
I want to change the wheels instantly :) thanks for help
many compatible issues with codemaster games.
Slip ring faulty issues still not resolved and not available for online purchase as promised, so in the end you have to connect the wheel with a USB cable. Not happy at all.
+Momo F1 who plays Codemasters Games with such a wheel? Like seriously it is for Sim Racing!!
Lukas W Who builds an extra rig to play unsupported games?
dirt rally is a sim....
Great review thanks a lot.
Hi Barry, How did you attach your Max wheel to the AccuForce base? Thanks for the review.
Hello do u think for the price it s the best wheel u can get and do u recommend it ? Congrats for u channel love it ( sorry for my English).
Did you feel sick when you watched the video later and realised you were flexing the Accuforce hub that much? I was thinking STOP!!! LOL.
Good job
Welinton Payano Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
where is the link to your seat set up? i want my rig to move around how much?
Hello Barry. Great review. Very interestig from technical point for me since i like some DIY things to work on.
I have a question. SimXperience and Leo Bondar are both use servomotors. And to me Leo's Kollmorgen motor looks bigger that SimX's motor. Is there a big difference in feeling FFB on that motors? And is there a big difference in way they are controlled by some servodriver?
Snoop Drift-Era Well, most folks have said that the Accuforce motor is a stepper motor, not a Servo motor. I will be the first to admit, I'm no expert or authority on the subject. There is a difference in the FFB feel between the two wheel systems. I will go into more detail in the DD FFB wheel comparison video currently in production.
Sim Racing Garage Ok thank you.
Your 'Table Of Contents' in the description isn't working correctly. Full urls reload the page and don't go to the specific part.
May you please edit the description so that links are just minutes and seconds in mm:ss format?
Like 00:55, 09:55, 29:08 etc. This will jump to the right point as well as not reload the page.
Thank you in advance.
Thanks for the heads up! Done.
@@simracinggarage3026 This is now awesome! Thank you.
Another great review. Sorry I am late to the party Barry but could you explain how you connected the Sam Maxwell Momo wheel to the Accuforce?
Start watching at around 10:11. The hole pattern on the wheel it an industry standard 70mm. I remove the stock wheel from the pod and test fit a couple of others to the existing pod. Then I remove the pod from the hub. Here you can directly attach any wheel, including one's with custom button plates, as long as your screws are long enough and you have a 70mm hole pattern.
Thanks Barry, I saw that but I was wondering about the wheel's digital display? How do you connect that to the Sim? Regards.
It uses a USB cable.
awesome video
Barry, excellent review as always. Can i ask how does the AF Pro compare in max torque strength and ffb fidelity to your bodnar in your opinion? Thank you!
DrR1pper Not done with comparison testing, but I can say the Bodnar motor has more torque available as most probably expect. I'll let everyone know all the details of the differences in the comparison video.
Sim Racing Garage Ok, thank you. Any idea when such a video could be expected? Cheers!
Hi! All of these direct drive reviews I could find on YT are mostly based on iRacing and the benefits you get in iRacing. What about other sims? Do other sims even give that much information to the FFB wheel as iRacing does and does switching to a direct drive wheel make as much sense if you're driving other sims as it does if you're driving iRacing?
fantastic show buddy :)
Matthew Arnold Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Please help me. I have a question: With the quick release, can i put on the accuforce base another wheel like Thrustmaster Ferrari F1, Formula Rim by Fanatec, SRW-S1 SIMRACEWAY F1 Wheel, etc???
Anyway, is an awesome review!!!!!!
How can you say that the wheel is like something you'd get off Ebay? It's MUCH higher quality than that. I had a wheel laying around that I bought from ebay and was thinking of switching the button box onto it but the wheel that comes with the Accuforce is 10x the quality of that Also my wheel doesn't bow like yours did. I just got mine this week and it's amazing....good review otherwise.
So I got my accuforce yesterday and am having trouble finding Iracing when it auto searches in SIM commander. And can't find any video of how to manually add it to SIM commaner. Would you happen to know? I'm disappointed its been a big hassle for me.
whats up with that carzy wheel wobble at 1:04:00? jesus it was like a half inch wobble i want this wheel but if it wobbles i dont want
Does MaxWell support the Accuforce directly? or is there cable tweaks and tangling?
Well, the Accuforce no longer ships with the "Slip Ring" function. Great idea, just not the most durable solution. So all wheels, including the one you get with the "Pro" addition of the Accuforce, will be connected through a cable. Which in my opinion is the most reliable method to date for connecting a wheels electronics to a computer. Personally, I've never had an issue with a wheels cable becoming tangled.
How much power does it consume?
It's $1300. I'd rather buy the OSW for that price and get something with more power and feedback. This one has 13nm OSW has close to 30nm. for the same price.
curious if you experienced any g25/27 esque rattling when going over rumble strips etc..some claim this happens with the AF?
Are they making a f1 rim to play I racing nice review
How does it compare to the SimSteering Wheel from Leo Bodnar? (price aside)
Olivier Do We are working on a comparison video between the Accuforce, Bodnar, and OSW aka DIY wheel. You will be able to watch that and get your answer when we publish it.
Hi, I have afew questions. I want to get into sim racing but I'm don't know anything about it. Can I pair this wheel with any pedal and shifter out there? Will it all be recognized in the Accuforce software? Where can I find compatibility of things???
+Daniel Lourido google.com
Barry, will you be doing an OSW review/build at any point?
fifetojo Yes!
Sim Racing Garage Typed my question right before I watched the last few seconds of the vid lol. Be good to see someone tackle an OSW build on youtube. Thinking about it myself but I'm unsure I really have the skillset required.
Barry, what size is the horn button hole? I'm on Ebay looking for a custom replacement for my Accuforce which is coming this week but don't know the size.
thanks
Gorilla Jones Most wheels that I have used are cut to an industry standard size for the horn button. So, I don't think you should have any issues. Even a China version wheel, if they are shipping them to the USA, should be the same standard.
Thanks Barry
Hi berry, just wondering what size are your displays??
Thank you
dmgp1f They are 27" Asus 144hz.
How did you find min force?
Thank you, I'm in the process of buying monitors, are they 4k monitors?
dmgp1f No, 1920x1080 144hz.
to conect fanatec v3 pedals on accuforce , i need special cable or not?
Just plug the v3's directly into your PC
Easter Egg @ 1:42:45
What size monitors are you using?
pops_uk 27" 144hz ASUS.
When will the comparisson video be ready? Between the Accuforce, bodnar and when/if it arrives, the EC SW wheel.
Goe Bann It will be a while yet. These things take a lot of time to shoot. Changing out the hardware, spending proper amounts of time using each wheel. Doing my best to keep a level playing field. It's not easy. Plus I have work and other hobbies to attend to!
Sim Racing Garage Ok thanks. Found out about Sim Racing Garage and I'm already appreciating any advice you can give. :-)