Sonic Forces vs Sonic Generations : A Thorough Comparison

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  • čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
  • With Sonic Frontiers on the horizon, I figured I take a look back on the latest mainline title, Sonic Forces, with a comparison to its predecessor, Sonic Generations. Enjoy the video!
    Chapters:
    0:00 Introduction
    1:06 Story
    3:05 Visuals
    5:13 Gameplay
    5:31 Game Feel & Control
    7:35 Level Lengths
    8:54 Level Design
    11:31 Object Placement
    12:50 Side Content
    15:16 Conclusion
    Cutscene footage from:
    ProsafiaGaming:
    / prosafiagaming
    NintendoCentral:
    / nintendocentral
    Music Used (In Order):
    This is Our World - Phase 1 - Sonic Forces
    Gallery - Sonic Generations
    Rooftop Run Act 1 - Sonic Generations
    Arsenal Pyramid - Sonic Forces
    Network Terminal - Interior - Sonic Forces
    Planet Wisp Act 2 - Sonic Generations
    Sunset Heights - Sonic Forces
    Mushroom Hill Act 2 - Sonic Generations 3DS
    Collection Room - Sonic Generations
    here's hoping I return with a Frontiers video
    #sonic #comparison #videogames
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Komentáře • 239

  • @mayday2237
    @mayday2237 Před rokem +923

    Honestly, while forces has technically better graphics, Generations has FAR stronger art design, there's more exaggeration and variety in the colours and visuals, which is something forces lacks

    • @TurboPikachu
      @TurboPikachu Před rokem +109

      Also Unleashed, Colors, and Generations have vastly superior animation over forces.

    • @geraldgreg5370
      @geraldgreg5370 Před rokem +71

      Honestly yeah, Generations looks so much better than forces especially with how empty, blocky and unnatural they made green hill and other stages look.

    • @graysonwells21
      @graysonwells21 Před rokem +27

      They kept the lost world art direction even though I thought it was supposed to be unique for lost world and those strange lands they explore in the game.

    • @jobywonkonoby9754
      @jobywonkonoby9754 Před rokem +9

      Came down here to comment this but seems you’ve already got everything right lol

    • @yummynubs3646
      @yummynubs3646 Před rokem +11

      @@TurboPikachu forces has animation?

  • @jordyyaboi
    @jordyyaboi Před rokem +136

    It’s amazing how Sega had basically devolved ever since 2008 with unleash having the highest quality sonic model ever! And the fact that Generations was 12 years ago and still looks amazing gives Sega no excuse…

    • @JoacoonCraftLite
      @JoacoonCraftLite Před 7 měsíci +7

      lets see, that "highest quality sonic model ever" caused some problems, called "A PS3 CANT RUN THIS SH*T" so they changed it on generations, and then they decided to keep using the generations model and edit it to make the new ones with smaller spikes and blah blah blah

    • @marguya4643
      @marguya4643 Před měsícem +2

      Forces and Frontiers have more higher poly models dude.

  • @zambino229
    @zambino229 Před rokem +273

    I think generations outside of some textures looks better in ever single regard.

    • @DonaldVale
      @DonaldVale Před rokem +2

      Exept the shadows

    • @zambino229
      @zambino229 Před rokem +15

      @@DonaldVale true but shadows don't really matter that much to me as like ng as they're present and look ok

    • @PokebellasWussy
      @PokebellasWussy Před rokem +10

      I’m assuming they didn’t have the best textures just to avoid the frame rate issues of Unleashed (PS3). I love Unleashed, but my god, does it feel like I’m watching a slideshow sometimes.

    • @warioplush
      @warioplush Před rokem +3

      Sonic Colors looked better than Forces imo
      And that was a WII game!

    • @zambino229
      @zambino229 Před rokem +2

      @@warioplush every boost game looked better than forces lol

  • @reklem2
    @reklem2 Před rokem +321

    I agree with everything, but for my money Generations still looks better.
    Yeah, forces has more HD textures and higher quality graphics on a technical level, but generations nails a great semi realistic art style which makes every level come alive.

    • @fansee1368
      @fansee1368 Před rokem +34

      The key is in the art direction.
      They did such a great job at keeping it nice and consistent that it's graphics are now timeless

    • @JustaWatcher769
      @JustaWatcher769 Před rokem +3

      Yea, and that's after they spent a year on forces lighting engine

    • @drbuni
      @drbuni Před rokem +7

      Just like Super Mario World and the New Super Mario Bros games. Super Mario World is years older, has way less technical less pixels and thingies, but it doesn't look like boring and generic like the NSMB titles.

  • @emmnueljm
    @emmnueljm Před rokem +15

    Hey there... a "new" sonic fan here. In my experience, I've known sonic since mario & sonic and the winter olympic games (2010), and my first sonic game bought was sonic forces, and because of that, I always thought that sonic games were just too short and the effort put into them was just the design and the different paths process... that's why I thought buying another sonic game because for 60 dollars I wouldn't pay for a game that roughly would last me about 3-5 hours...then I bought sonic mania and sonic frontiers and oh bot, I was wrong... although they are 2 different types of sonic games, I instantly notice the difference between these 2 and forces... then, 1 month ago, sonic generations was like at 5 dollars on the xbox, so I decided to give it a shot (thinking that it would be a standard game with a few levels, and today, I am like on 1/4 of the game 100% and I love this game so much and I have given it so many hours and I really enjoy the missions... definitely I love generations more than forces...

    • @OrcaKillerWhalePlaysOFFICIAL
      @OrcaKillerWhalePlaysOFFICIAL Před rokem +2

      Uhhh how long did it take for you to Write that? 1+like

    • @emmnueljm
      @emmnueljm Před rokem +1

      @@OrcaKillerWhalePlaysOFFICIAL idk bro 😂I think about 10 minutes but I was on PC

    • @dprototype6431
      @dprototype6431 Před 2 měsíci +2

      A lot of Sonic games, especially the 2D games, are on the shorter side and make up for that by having lots of replay value. It’s what makes 2 so fun to go back to.

  • @hihi-nm3uy
    @hihi-nm3uy Před rokem +22

    What also sucks about Forces’ story, is they have Silver the Hedgehog and Knuckles the Echidna on their team, and yet they still managed to lose so much ground to Eggman.
    No matter how much SEGA tries to retcon Sonic’s strength, I refuse to believe Silver and Knuckles are collectively weaker than Sonic and one random avatar.

    • @tuannguyenhoang3977
      @tuannguyenhoang3977 Před rokem +7

      Silver & Knuckles: Together we could win!
      Phantom Ruby: Think again, chumps.
      Sonic (with the avatar): I'm back!
      Phantom Ruby: Oh me and my big mouth....

    • @floatsyourgoats6200
      @floatsyourgoats6200 Před 11 měsíci +5

      That and the phantoms disappear or explode when defeated. You're telling me that all of Sonic's friends combined couldn't take out one Shadow to realize it was the real thing?

    • @KetwunsGamingPad
      @KetwunsGamingPad Před 9 měsíci +2

      Trying to write an Ian Flynn story without Ian Flynn what did you expect ha

    • @Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz
      @Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz Před 3 měsíci

      Looking at the level design, maybe it really makes a difference so be able to boost. Silver has no excuse tho, in his Generations boss fight he was far too powerful (but very dumb. Its funny how I think it makes complete sense that he practically defeated Sonic twice in 06 while having way less power, because he used it smarter back then)

  • @FireBlade-no2qz
    @FireBlade-no2qz Před rokem +173

    This was a great comparison you basically explained perfectly why Forces is lacking in game play.

    • @Banded_
      @Banded_ Před rokem +1

      Ah yes null space lacks in gameplay

    • @yummynubs3646
      @yummynubs3646 Před rokem +13

      @@Banded_ don't know about you but i wouldn't say running in a straight line for 30 seconds straight counts as gameplay

    • @Banded_
      @Banded_ Před rokem +2

      @@yummynubs3646 i dont mean the opening only that stage is litterly 4 minutes for me even tho i mastered it

    • @ItxukiYT
      @ItxukiYT Před rokem +12

      @@Banded_ how did the stage last 4 minutes for you? It barely lasted 2 minutes for me.

  • @mega-drive6462
    @mega-drive6462 Před rokem +37

    Sonic Forces you to hold the boost button

  • @rowdylegion
    @rowdylegion Před rokem +50

    Actually Green Hills for Classic Sonic can be beaten in a shorter amount of time, like less than a minute. Still though, you have to be skilled and fast to get that time unlike in Forces

    • @ShowCM
      @ShowCM Před rokem +9

      You even get a trophy/achievement for doing so

  • @ChumZoneGamingEnt
    @ChumZoneGamingEnt Před rokem +6

    It's amazing how as far as gameplay goes we went backwards.
    "From the people that brought you Sonic colors and Sonic generations" HAH

  • @geraldgreg5370
    @geraldgreg5370 Před rokem +19

    I'm so glad someone talked about the static camera in forces, i noticed that immediately and it's always bothered me.

  • @CynSw
    @CynSw Před rokem +88

    Great comparision! I've always wondered what the differences are + why they're rated differently and you answered all my questions perfectly. The script is pretty good with the clear sections, And I gotta appreciate the editing, it all demonstrates and complements whatever you're saying at that time.
    Thanks for the video

    • @Technonova323
      @Technonova323  Před rokem +9

      Thanks for the kind words! I rewrote the script quite a few times, so I'm glad that it was worth all the effort it took. Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @Technonova323
    @Technonova323  Před rokem +34

    Apologies about the poor bitrate during some parts. CZcams compression seems to have lowered the bitrate far more than I require, so the image quality suffers greatly. I'll most likely get that fixed by next video.
    EDIT: Well the issue apparently fixed itself so... nevermind I guess? Anyways, enjoy the video!

  • @booperdooperdooperbooper9848

    A comparison between unleashed and generations would be pretty cool

    • @Tech-187
      @Tech-187 Před rokem +14

      Both of those games are amazing honestly. Just not forces

    • @warioplush
      @warioplush Před rokem +2

      Well, it’s more interesting to compare a good game to a bad one as opposed to 2 masterpieces

    • @Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz
      @Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz Před 3 měsíci +1

      Day/Modern Sonic is almost the same, they just made him slower (and you can be back to normal using "skills"); putted a cooldown to the sidedash (so you wont gain enormous amounts of speed by spamming it), and limited your air boost to just one (you can spam it in Unleashed); apparently the angle of the joystick needs to be even more precise to do the M-speed glitches; they changed the drift animation; and they added the air tricks of Sonic Rush when you jump from certain objects
      Graphically, Unleashed has higher resolution models, and textures, because in Gens they made those lower so the game runs better and also added better lighting. About performance, I also experiment lag in Gens for the ps3, but Unleashed is supposed to happen more often
      The only other think I can think of is the voice acting, were Day Sonic had Jason and Modern Sonic has Roger. Between those two I prefer Jason, but personally I only play Gens in the Spanish dub, because personally thats the best Modern Sonic voice to me, and its sad that Unleashed didnt have a Spanish dub, and that the actor is dead

  • @AscendedEmperor
    @AscendedEmperor Před rokem +18

    Generations beats and robs Forces of their lunch money

  • @humancollins5626
    @humancollins5626 Před rokem +82

    I'd say generations has better visuals

    • @AscendedEmperor
      @AscendedEmperor Před rokem +18

      and pretty much everything else

    • @BitchChill
      @BitchChill Před rokem +3

      Not a technical level

    • @Onaterdem
      @Onaterdem Před rokem +23

      @@BitchChill Yes but the code behind the game doesn't matter, the end product is what matters. And Generations simply looks better.

    • @Hyp3rSonic
      @Hyp3rSonic Před 8 měsíci

      ​​@@Onaterdemthey were talking about on a technical level 💀.

    • @Onaterdem
      @Onaterdem Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@Hyp3rSonic Yea no sh*t?
      Did you not read what I wrote?

  • @eunjaelee9569
    @eunjaelee9569 Před rokem +3

    Honestly it’s pretty stupid how the comics tell that Eggman literally found the phantom ruby right on his doorstep. No big crash or mess or anything. It was literally sitting there half buried.

  • @TheGamingRift11
    @TheGamingRift11 Před rokem +18

    Subbed. Possibly the most “positive” take on forces and in details and straight to the point 🎉

  • @thomasobrien1841
    @thomasobrien1841 Před rokem +7

    There was also a much bigger plot hole in forces: The phantom ruby is the same as the one in Mania and that causes a bunch more questions: how do the chaos emeralds and ruby open up worm hole to another dimension? , how did modern Eggman find it? The ruby in forces is shown to cause illusions, so was the entirety of Mania also an illusion? Were we just on Angel Island tripping balls? There was literally no reason for these games to be connected

  • @ricksbasket3119
    @ricksbasket3119 Před rokem +12

    Sonic Forces is basically generations if generations failed

  • @fabianf.2300
    @fabianf.2300 Před rokem +17

    Knowing how much Subcribers people have I don't usually comment but seeing how small your Subscriber count is, I need to say one thing!
    Keep this going, your video content is very interesting and I had a fun time watching, I would recommend reading up on some basic video game development to further explain issues or additions worth discussing - this would push your content to the next level for me personally!

  • @HOTD108_
    @HOTD108_ Před rokem +9

    Generations vs Forces is the best example I know of for why art design is so much better than graphical fedelity. Like, yeah, Forces has more technological advances graphics, but it still looks way more lifeless and overall worse than Generations despite that. Honestly, I don't think you're right in saying Forces looks better at all.

    • @user-vt6dd4kz5t
      @user-vt6dd4kz5t Před 20 dny

      Well sorry to break it to ya..but sonic forces does have better visuals and graphics than generations and unleashed for better or worse like...damn it seems that the only redeeming quality about this game..

  • @HelminatorTV
    @HelminatorTV Před rokem +1

    Great video, logically coherent, articulate and well made!
    Really underrated channel bro, well done man, leaving a sub.

  • @Master_48
    @Master_48 Před rokem +1

    I gotta be honest, this is one of the best comparison videos I've ever seen. I have to say I couldn't spot any subjective point that you told in this and can confirm everything was fair and square, well explained. Congrats on this! Not everyone can do comparison without being subjective.

  • @iceheart_115
    @iceheart_115 Před rokem +2

    What's funny about Green Hill Act 1 in Generations is that you can beat it almost 30 seconds faster than 1:20, there's even a trophy/achievement for beating it in less than a minute.

  • @44R0NM10
    @44R0NM10 Před rokem +7

    I enjoyed the video, but I need to say - the rewards you get in Forces were character customisation options, which I'd argue are much more fulfilling than concept art. One helps me create unique and cool looking characters to play as, the other I look at once and say, "neat" before never looking at them again.
    On the same note, it's probably a bit unfair not to mention Forces had the avatar stages, or that Forces had more stages in total despite their shorter length.

    • @Technonova323
      @Technonova323  Před rokem +6

      That was something I was going to mention with an extra section, but had to cut it from the video to save time. I might address the stuff I missed in another video, though.

    • @44R0NM10
      @44R0NM10 Před rokem +2

      @@Technonova323 It's all good, still loved the video! Thanks for the response too!

    • @44R0NM10
      @44R0NM10 Před rokem

      @PhantomLee No need to be rude about it, Technonova already said he cut it to save time in the video and he may talk about it in a future video, so I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. I suppose he was focusing on the Sonic and classic Sonic parts for a more direct comparison with Generations, so I can understand him not mentioning it as you can't experience those character customisation options when playing as the Sonics.

    • @44R0NM10
      @44R0NM10 Před rokem

      @PhantomLee I think you may not understand what it means to be rude lol

    • @floatsyourgoats6200
      @floatsyourgoats6200 Před 11 měsíci

      Forces had 30 stages which includes 7 bosses in its count, meaning there are 23 standard levels. Generations by comparison has 18 standard levels and also 7 bosses. It's not that much of a difference unless you count the extra stages and Episode Shadow, in which case there are probably enough side missions in Generations that change the level design or mechanics enough to match that.

  • @millerwrightt
    @millerwrightt Před rokem +2

    Kinda surprised you didn't talk about music, or the 3rd gameplay style in forces. Helpful video for understanding people's feelings on the games though!

    • @Technonova323
      @Technonova323  Před rokem +2

      That was originally part of the video, but I had to cut it out to save some time. I might address everything I missed in a follow-up video in the future. Thanks for the comment!

  • @erieriderschillingcorner1595

    After playing forces i got so bored i tried to emulate Unleashed instead, my pc sucks ass so i can't even play it properly but the small piece i managed to play just made me want an Unleashed pc port.

  • @Coplanersirtax9
    @Coplanersirtax9 Před rokem +4

    Still don't understand how they went backwards with forces

    • @Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz
      @Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz Před 3 měsíci

      Game developing is hard, specially if you make dumb decisions or force developers into unrealistical time expectations (making the games rushed). For Gens they only had to make Classic Sonic (edited from Unleashed's Day Sonic, and for Modern Sonic, they barely changed him)
      Then they made Lost World from scratch (or maybe heavily edited Gens Modern Sonic) and it was gold for what it was, but then they edited that to try to fit a boost game (editing out Lost World's mechanics and adding boost), and of course they also edited the new Forces Modern Sonic to make a Classic Sonic. They edited Forces Modern Sonic AGAIN (and twice since Cyberspace and Overworld are different) for Frontiers and in my opinion Unleashed/Gens Modern Sonic was still better than Cyberspace Sonic, who tries to be like Unleashed/Gens, but lacks drift, and still has kept that awkward second jump from Lost World
      PD: Out of topic, but the air dash from 06-Gens sucks. The Adventure one was better, it reacted to momentum
      PD: Not that out of topic, but Classic Sonic's spindash sucks. Yes its fun to gain a lot of speed to speedrun levels, but there's no casual way to use it and thus no casual way to gain speed to platform, because in short platforms you cant spindash and jump. Why tf they made it like a weird hybrid between CD's and Genesis spindash? In older games you could just spindash once and start moving inmediatly (but not that fast, allowing you to platform. If you wanted to go fast, just spam the button like 3-6 times before releasing it to go at max speed), while in Generations there's not a "not that fast speed", unless you press the button for too short, which will just make Sonic stop. So there's no in-between of Sonic either stopping completely and Sonic moving at the speed of light when releasing the button. By the way, the spindash is so much faster than Modern Sonic's boost

  • @OmeleaffeGaming
    @OmeleaffeGaming Před rokem +1

    Fun fact:A Beta version of Egg Gate actually has cinematic 2D camera angles

  • @superintenseminecraftplaye4179
    @superintenseminecraftplaye4179 Před 11 měsíci +2

    How to beat a sonic forces modern sonic stage, step one: hold u and hold Y
    You completed the tutorial!

  • @prod.bykhanjii2636
    @prod.bykhanjii2636 Před rokem +1

    Aye you deserve a lot more subs than you have. The quality is heat but ig goats always starts somewhere 💯😌🐐

  • @thetoot9615
    @thetoot9615 Před rokem +2

    Iirc the only reason I did the extra stuff in Forces was to get the trophies for PS4, I had to FORCE myself to play through them again for that

  • @frostthewolf1443
    @frostthewolf1443 Před rokem +1

    About the returning locations:
    Green Hill, yeah, we're tired of seeing it, and the only reason I can think of its return is that Eggman wanted to take over the area where the series started. Somewhere with sentimental importance to both him and Sonic.
    Chemical Plant makes at least some sense, since it'd be a base of operations for Eggman, so it'd be necessary to not only take it out, but to get intel from there.
    The Death Egg. I honestly don't remember a game the Death Egg was in before Forces besides Sonic 3 & Knuckles. This returning not only shows us more of it but provides a bigger base of operations that the Chemical Plant. Taking this out would be absolutely vital, and if the game was written better, it could have been so much more than what we ended up getting, which was actually pretty good in my opinion.

  • @tomhato5523
    @tomhato5523 Před rokem +2

    Is it really a thorough video game essay if it’s under an hour?
    Just kidding man good work

  • @ThallesSilveira
    @ThallesSilveira Před rokem

    Great video! You should be more recognized.

  • @Norcoo
    @Norcoo Před rokem +1

    Great video, only thing I would add is that Sonic Forces homining attack is hyper frustrating/glitchy compared to how well it works in Sonic Generations.

  • @rhinuu045
    @rhinuu045 Před 8 měsíci +1

    eh i think generations still has the one up in terms of visuals purely because of how much personality it has in comparison. just comparing green hill alone generation's feels so much more alive

  • @blockerton1778
    @blockerton1778 Před rokem +1

    I always felt like classic sonic was kinda just...there. It felt like he had little impact to the story except being an extra hand in the resistance

  • @GXtera
    @GXtera Před rokem +5

    Strictly speaking gameplay, Unleashed and Generations are the superior boost games. the only thing Forces does better is the double jump which makes platforming better but everything else Forces is inferior. As for Classic Sonic, he feels much better in Generations compared to Forces, mainly due to better Physics, better level design, general quality and the music isn't ear-rape.

  • @baddworld
    @baddworld Před rokem +4

    Barely had fun with forces lol 😂 just kept playing that space level

  • @RobertParadise
    @RobertParadise Před rokem

    Great video

  • @Pinkio
    @Pinkio Před rokem +15

    I just re-watched the Sonic Forces launch trailer and it looked epic! No doubt people would be hyped for that game back then, but yeah... How did they mess up the game that much? Literally 2017 was a great year for Sonic but only because of Sonic Mania which ironically wasn't the main focus considering it was done by fans
    I'm glad Sonic Frontiers is doing better though, it has space for improvement but we now know Sonic Team *can* actually make amazing Sonic games if they put real effort into it

    • @Onaterdem
      @Onaterdem Před rokem +6

      Frontiers is not amazing, definitely not as good as Generations (unless story is your #1 priority), but it's much better than Forces so that's good I guess? If "it's not great but at least it's better" satisfies you, you'll definitely like it

    • @christosdoesthings
      @christosdoesthings Před rokem +1

      Please stop saying mania was made by fans, the creators are proffesional game devs, with a lot of help from sega, and saying it was "made by fans" is a pretty gross oversimplification as it devalues the devs as mere small fangame developers. I understand why you're saying it, since a lot of people say this :)

    • @Pinkio
      @Pinkio Před rokem

      @@christosdoesthings it was made by fans even if they hired them

    • @christosdoesthings
      @christosdoesthings Před rokem +1

      @@Pinkio Christian whitehead and the rest of the team are proffesional game devs, but they're also big sonic fans. If it was actually random sonic fans that where hired mania wouldn't be nearly as good as it is. Also sega helped a lot with mania.

    • @Pinkio
      @Pinkio Před rokem +1

      @@christosdoesthings they're still fans, it's just that they work at making games and they developed a lot of Sonic Mania in that case

  • @MicadenTDCT
    @MicadenTDCT Před rokem +4

    I disagree with the visual arguement, unless you mean just graphics, but the art design feels lacking. I like the grass on Forces, but the dirt & background elements feel too blocky & boring. I like the textures & more appealing look of Generations, it's more natural & feels like a more realistic version of Green Hill.

  • @bubblewiz120
    @bubblewiz120 Před rokem

    Hello, Technonova! Kinda surprised you didn't talk about music, or the 3rd gameplay style in forces. Helpful video for understanding people's feelings on the games though! But could you make a video called "Sonic Generations vs Kirby and the Rainbow Curse: A Complete Comparison"?

  • @AdamProGamingTR
    @AdamProGamingTR Před rokem +4

    In Generations collecting every Red Star Ring in every level also unlocks the Homing Attack for Classic Sonic

    • @beesree39
      @beesree39 Před rokem

      no you just need them in Planet Wisp Act 1

  • @TrueHDR
    @TrueHDR Před rokem +1

    7:03 actually he still has the wall jump, it's just not used in any level

  • @BloopersINCjr
    @BloopersINCjr Před rokem +9

    As someone who had S ranked every stage in forces collected every red ring, bingo numbers and moon rings, I indeed can confirm that the only reward for collecting all these is nothing except a feeling of nothing and extreme regret after sinking that many hours into a mediocre game

  • @coleminer8847
    @coleminer8847 Před rokem

    For the quick time events in forces you seem to be mashing the button,when you can time the button when the circles overlap for a bunch of points

  • @Shark97281
    @Shark97281 Před rokem

    "Hey egoraptor.... someone made your sonic sequelitis for ya!"

  • @Axadn
    @Axadn Před rokem +1

    I can't believe generations is over a decade old. Wtf

  • @2fernandoc1
    @2fernandoc1 Před rokem

    This thumbnail makes Sonic Generations look like it's the more modern (Xbox One) game while Forces looks a 2006-7 Xbox 360 game

  • @rollingwithrotondwa6765

    I love how at 1:43 there is such calm music even tho sonic is getting beat up and tails almost got attacked by chaos 🤣

  • @gamefreakDX
    @gamefreakDX Před rokem

    One thing I wish you dedicated some time towards is the moveset of the Sonics. More specifically Modern Sonic, because a lot of moves are either removes or unused in Forces.
    The short way I can say it, is that games like Unleashed and Generations teach and make use of the manoeuvres Sonic has while Forces barely ever does that.

  • @evector1284
    @evector1284 Před rokem +2

    One thing I can give Forces is that it's perfect for my little cousin. Most exhilarating baby game there is.

  • @johnnycakemusic4069
    @johnnycakemusic4069 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Generations gameplay framework and visuals were built off of Unleahsed.
    Forces' were built off of Lost World

  • @NightfalZD
    @NightfalZD Před rokem +1

    I have enjoyed both, Generations and Forces.
    But I occasionally start up Generations, while Forces is sleeping in my library.

    • @jesuspernia8031
      @jesuspernia8031 Před rokem +3

      Even though I’m probably gonna stick with Frontiers for a while now, I know I’m still gonna come back to Generations later on while I’m probably not even gonna look at Forces. I will probably check out Forces Re-imagined once that mod is done though.

  • @I_ALT_I
    @I_ALT_I Před rokem

    Good vid

  • @Robowil
    @Robowil Před rokem

    A few months ago, I did my final playthrough on Forces on Xbox (Series S, was the final version I needed to play before I 100% completed all versions), and after that, I did Generations on the same platform.
    Generations still remains one of my favorite titles, while Forces is just decent. I have a bit of a bias towards the latter though, as that was the first 3D game I modded.
    Also want to add that Modern Sonic in Forces *does* have the wall jump, but it goes unused as none of his stages have walljump objects. Adding one in, he'll wall jump like normal.

  • @callmejoe8594
    @callmejoe8594 Před rokem +3

    Not sure if Forces really wins on a graphics front. I mean the assets themselves might be higher quality, but the overall visual style seems more flat and less interesting.

  • @AddyLovestar
    @AddyLovestar Před rokem +2

    You didn't bring up the S-Ranks. In both games, getting S-Ranks is extremely easy, but at least in Generations you have to avoid taking damage

  • @aortaplatinum
    @aortaplatinum Před rokem +1

    I never really thought about it since there was such a gap between the two games, but why didn't SonicTeam just take modern and classic Sonic's controls and physics and everything and just build Forces around that instead of totally fucking with the controls? I know Kishimoto loves to force players to use his shitty controls, which Frontiers proves, but why would the team waste time building Sonic's movement from the ground up when they could have just ruined Generations' movement to save time and money, AND they probably couldn't have fucked up Generations' controls as bad as Forces feels with it's ground-up movement

  • @Xxblade17
    @Xxblade17 Před rokem

    Nice

  • @OneandonlyKiwi
    @OneandonlyKiwi Před rokem +1

    Imo forces would’ve been a lot better if Sonic’s friends were playable.

  • @KarmaTube5
    @KarmaTube5 Před rokem +1

    My main issue is if you’re gonna modernize a level from the classic games and have classic Sonic, give those stages less 2-d gameplay. The game consisted of 90.9% 2-d gameplay. According to the developers, they wanted to make the game easy for people.

  • @Hittemhard
    @Hittemhard Před rokem +8

    🐐

  • @leonardowynnwidodo9704

    There’s also the function of slide. While both Generations and Forces allow Sonic to attack enemies on the ground while not necessarily boosting, the former also allows him to squeeze tight spots whereas the latter is to simply get a headstart which is kinda lame.
    Another thing I’d like to point out is the hop. In Generations, Sonic hops regardless of his speed whereas in Forces he does so only while boating which is kind of an improvement since Sonic doing a full jump in Generations will negate his momentum.

  • @JuliRocket
    @JuliRocket Před rokem

    I think forces way of replicating the classic sonic feel was better because in the Genesis games, you got way more speed from rolling downhill.

  • @Nic_2751
    @Nic_2751 Před rokem

    Gee I wonder which will come out on top

  • @Youknowjoe187
    @Youknowjoe187 Před rokem +1

    bro generations looks better than forces, i could not tell one was a DECADE old

  • @Spnozilla
    @Spnozilla Před rokem +2

    I value story as much as gameplay but I still prefer Generations over Forces. Maybe it’s because Generations is closer to perfection than Forces was imo but eh

  • @CaptainF123
    @CaptainF123 Před rokem

    @Technonova what editing software do you use man.

  • @BIIIIIGMAN
    @BIIIIIGMAN Před rokem +2

    I kinda think Generations graphics looks better. By FAR actually

  • @thegamingparadise8556
    @thegamingparadise8556 Před rokem +1

    The pointless collectibles in Forces actually give you something, an achievement, that’s it.

  • @breninho353
    @breninho353 Před rokem

    I had fun with Forces

  • @XxJammerLammerxX
    @XxJammerLammerxX Před 11 měsíci

    I have a soft spot for forces it was my first 3D game (sonic) but generations was my second

  • @Semy_04
    @Semy_04 Před rokem

    Well, we can all agree that Sonic Generations wins this one, and here is why: The gameplay. The 2D stages of Classic Sonic were amazing! It does the job well. I LOVE what they have done with the camera effects (The Dynamics camera effects) of the Classic stages, and the different paths and ways to go were genius! In the Forces stages of Classic Sonic, all you do is go in a straight line and it feels plane. And don't get me started with Modern Sonic. Modern Sonic feels off to control him and for some reason, they remove his drift.
    Here are some videos that explain why the
    The gameplay is off in this game:
    Classic: czcams.com/video/06XItabwbm8/video.html
    Modern: czcams.com/video/67Nue-CjUAE/video.html
    They miss and waste the opportunity of a Generations sequel. They have so much potential for Egg Man to take 99% of the world. But nope, that was thrown off the table. It's funny that fans have taken Forces and fixed the problems that need fixing. That's funny!

  • @KnoxCarbon
    @KnoxCarbon Před rokem

    Generations and Unleashed had much more vibrant and colorful lighting and a stronger art style, despite Forces being more impressive from a graphical standpoint.

  • @nooberagem2403
    @nooberagem2403 Před rokem

    About Generations grafics, it might not be your pc, but the port. I play Generations in pc too, and some cut scenes are awsome, but others not so much cuz the pc version is a port of xbox 360 version. I play in the most recent update steam has and looks the same you recorded.

  • @BT_Official2011
    @BT_Official2011 Před rokem

    The reason why wisp are in sonic forces is because the wisp liked sonic's world so much they moved to it and the reason why the textures in cutscene's of generations is because the camera is close to the textures (EDIT: Actually you can beat green hill act 1 fast around 50 to 40 seconds

    • @the-point-bearer6689
      @the-point-bearer6689 Před rokem +1

      Seems like a cop out to me and the Wisps are not needed in later games (minus Team Sonic Racing) and they legit warped out of Sonic's world after saving him in return.

  • @bonkeykong858
    @bonkeykong858 Před rokem +7

    For some reason I still feel like generations looks better with the graphics

  • @silver_wolff
    @silver_wolff Před rokem

    I miss the 5min lenght stages from unleashed

  • @jninja1764
    @jninja1764 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I'll be completely honest
    I enjoyed forces when it came out but more recently I'm really only enjoying it for the the free Super Sonic, the arsenal pyramid glitch, and the optional shadow campaign the real problems of the game are it difficulty and it's run time
    Even on the hardest difficulty it shouldn't be this easy to beat the game. You could've never played a single sonic game and still beat it in a good day or 2
    And im not saying all sonic games are easy, but this game is boost to win on crack
    Both games looks great and the visuals are very well done
    The gameplay of generations still holds up a decade later and is still a fun game to go back to while forces is like once in a blue moon i might go back to it
    Both good games but forces was lacking in stage replayability due to the skill combination of both classic and modern sonic in generations.

    • @Technonova323
      @Technonova323  Před 2 měsíci

      Agreed! I can see why Forces can be enjoyable, but it's a step back compared to its predecessors.

  • @theultimategamertr2353

    I come from the future that Frontiers is released.

  • @nojorooney
    @nojorooney Před rokem +1

    Honestly Sonic generations is just a better version of forces, I can’t think of anything that forces has over generations aside from the use of characters aside from Sonic, Tails and Eggman (but even then they do nothing but talk for all of it, they say they are constantly helping in the war but we never see it until the very end so it’s not believable at all) this is why I despise forces despite it only being considered to be mediocre by most others, the only good part of forces is the modern sonic sections imo (but even then the generations modern sections are better, in forces, modern is slow, stiff and the stages are linear, short and easy, things that generations levels lack usually)

  • @Gameondudeman18
    @Gameondudeman18 Před rokem +1

    The sky is blue

  • @zonikel----
    @zonikel---- Před rokem +1

    It is normal for one game to vary in large to the other since Generations came out when the Engine had not yet optimized it and Forces if but the artistic style of Forces is very cartoonish to be one based on war and Generations. Come on we came from Unleashed is it normal that the style was more realistic and its levels? It's normal how colorful. But now with Frontiers it's my pleasure to be able to say Hedgehog Engine 2 you did a great job
    Ignoring things like history and things that don't matter, despite the graphic sacrifice Generations made to maintain a steady frame rate still looks good

  • @ViltrumiteIsRite99
    @ViltrumiteIsRite99 Před rokem +4

    Come on, man. How ya gonna pit the class-clown against the class-favorite?
    You sit anyone down the first level of Gens and Forces.. The control alone would sway them from Forces.
    Good breakdown tho. 🤙

    • @44R0NM10
      @44R0NM10 Před rokem +1

      Lol, and here I much preferred Forces to generations. Played both games for the first time before Frontiers, I was so happy to be finished with Generations whilst I was replaying levels of Forces loads.
      Preferred Frontiers to them both though, so yeah, glad to see the series is getting better

    • @ViltrumiteIsRite99
      @ViltrumiteIsRite99 Před rokem +4

      @@44R0NM10 How and why do you like Forces over Gens?

    • @44R0NM10
      @44R0NM10 Před rokem +1

      @@ViltrumiteIsRite99 Short and sweet levels (with surprisingly short load and restart times), amazing music (which is subjective, but there wasn't a single song I didn't love in Forces), absolutely breaking the game with Boost doing things I can only imagine the devs never intended for. I never felt the urge to replay a single level in Generations, whilst I did want to replay levels in Forces for these reasons (little bit of credit towards the avatar stages different Wispons too, a lot of levels become much easier or much harder with particular wisps - not to mention the drill wisp completely breaks the game in the most amazing way).
      Not to mention the story, whilst it wasn't good, had me laughing at several occasions ("this is war Vector. nothing is good."). It fell into the "so bad, it's good" category of entertainment, which I'll take over the absolutely forgettable Generations story in a heartbeat (the most memorable part of Generations was everyone cheering the sonics on, which wasn't funny - just cringe-inducing).
      While you've got me talking about this too, I really don't understand the criticism that Forces in short when Generations is only slightly longer. Hell, with Episode Shadow, there's barely any difference in both game lengths. I wish I could do a better comparison here, but I can say that I beat Generations in 4 hours. It's harder to say with Forces since I spent a lot of time doing SOS missions and doing side missions in earlier levels before I beat the game since I wanted the customisation options, but 4 hours definitely isn't long enough that it should escape this same criticism I see thrown at Forces all the time.

    • @TheComemnter
      @TheComemnter Před rokem +2

      @@ViltrumiteIsRite99 respect his opinion bro

    • @ViltrumiteIsRite99
      @ViltrumiteIsRite99 Před rokem +4

      @@TheComemnter I did. I asked him to elaborate on it. Cool to see why he thinks that at least. I could debate why Gens is better, but @ werk rn

  • @crimsonzone8984
    @crimsonzone8984 Před 10 měsíci

    Don't forget to look at the subtitles in the original Japanese dub. The English dub just does it's own thing.

  • @mofprailes7140
    @mofprailes7140 Před rokem +1

    honestly the only reason that i dropped sonic forces was the gameplay so stiff and limited movments and so short , i missed sonic unleashed and generations system of gameplay , even frontiers looks a bit stiff with the gameplay but better than forces , and last but not least i missed the longer and smooth sonic hair (kind a hair ?) ,now it's just a bit shorter and doesn't have that fluid animation that was back in the older games .
    basically this is all my complains about modern sonic contents .

  • @Targethitter.
    @Targethitter. Před rokem +2

    Generations being 11 years ago feels wrong.

  • @jamesrwarzyniak3190
    @jamesrwarzyniak3190 Před rokem +1

    Forces felt very short & lost my interest. Ive never played the console version of Generations but Im gonna! I played Forces on a switch & I had to make a character I never got to play as Sonic 😂. So it didnt feel like a Sonic game to me🤷🏼 but regardless If I even compare Forces to Generations 3DS version I would rather play that. I think Forces is such a weaker game.
    Just my opinion.
    I did play generations on PS3 & it is probably one of my top 3 Sonic Games now!

  • @deslardesslok
    @deslardesslok Před rokem +1

    6:19p.m. 11/19/2022

  • @BT_Official2011
    @BT_Official2011 Před rokem

    Well now the last aminline game was tsr cuz its cannon

  • @deslardesslok
    @deslardesslok Před rokem

    12 DAYS LATE SQUAD WHERE YOU AT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

  • @beesree39
    @beesree39 Před rokem +2

    saying Forces looks better is a joke. No comment on the art direction or use of camera.

  • @dmclsl03
    @dmclsl03 Před rokem +8

    Even if Forces has higher resolutions, I still think it looks really shit and dull? That's just me, right?
    Gens got the better and beautiful artistic design all over the stages, actual care put into it.
    and Forces is so lacking of variety of colors and full of blocky art desing all around it , makes me don't care at all about it having better graphical power, also having kinda weird lightning? idk man, I just really hate how it looks lmfao.

  • @joelnwadike3181
    @joelnwadike3181 Před 2 měsíci +1

    It's 2023 and the most recent mainline sonic game is forces?🤨

    • @Technonova323
      @Technonova323  Před 2 měsíci

      This was right before Frontiers released, so I was _kinda_ right, but not anymore 😅

  • @charmyzard
    @charmyzard Před rokem

    Let's face it: We all knew Forces would be utterly destroyed coming in.

  • @Tanaka-kun9313
    @Tanaka-kun9313 Před rokem

    You know I kinda wish SEGA would of learnt from Unleashed and Generations like what happened with them.