The Kulture Study: SEVENTEEN 'Ready to love' MV REACTION & REVIEW
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#SEVENTEEN #세븐틴 #Your_Choice
the ''where the fCUK is jeonghan ¿?????'' to the ''he's blonde again--'' to the amazing expresions where my literal same reaction.
I had the same reaction as PD
Where is he? There he is and he's BLONDE
@@stacey1267 LOL SAME 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Me TOO~ Literally the same reaction •̌.•̑
He's been blonde for a while tho, I was more surprised at Minghao's hair I mean- 😳✋
I WAS SO CONFUSED TOO AND I KNEW WHEN PD NOTICED HE WAS MISSING I WASNT LOSING IT
Honestly, I felt the MV quite messy, I felt a lot of things happening at the same moment, but at the same time nothing was really happening
LMAO why does this makes so much sense!!!
I thought the MV was chaotic, so unlike SVT, if you watched DWC, getting closer, very nice, home run, left and right, and etc.
on point
The mv looks just like an extended version of the trailers with the addition of the dance sequences. I hoped they could've put in a story to make the mv more diverse but they didn't. I still love the song and the album itself, just got underwhelmed by the mv.
Let's just wish they will work with rigend film, vm project or digipedi again for the next cbs. These directors know how to highlight them well
Han samin never directed groups with large members. The aesthetic is there but the way they shoot them is so messy and random. There's no specific story line too lol
As a fellow jeonghan stan, I also asked "where tf is jeonghan"
I feel you, but we got Jeonghan and his long hair is coming back.😍
Me too
SAME i was wondering where the hell he would pop up
X2
Ready To Love was such a good song wasted on this MV. the song gives me second gen vibes, but unfortunately the MV has production value of second gen also…the MV director seemed like he didn’t know how to handle a group of 13 people. if you compare Home;Run to this MV the difference is JARRING. so many cuts in between shots, not enough choreography, the rain scene was way too bright and you could barely see the members, overall too many glamour shots of them just staring into the distance? this song deserved a much better MV in my opinion and i’m curious as to how their creative team went from Fallin Flower, Left & Right, & Home;Run to this…
you summed this up amazingly, the Mv felt more like a series of aesthetic photos rather than a coherent video
That's how I felt too..the MV didn't incorporate the dance feel of the song. I feel like if they had done smth like Twice's Feel Special MV, it would be really good
Also it's not even in 4k i believe?? Like i watched it on a big sceen and the quality is weird
i completely agree, i feel like this is so different from seventeen’s usual mv and song. i’m more drawn to the b-sides this comeback than the title track because to me they have the more familiar seventeen sound and production that i’m used to. ready to love still hits hard but i was let down by the quality of the mv for all the reasons you just mentioned
woooow this is exactly what ive been feeling. i usually rewatch their mv so many times and find a new thing about it but this mv falls really flat for me
I really like this song
Akaashi? I didn’t know you liked kpop
thanks to you now i have a headcanon that Akaashi loves kpop and stans Svt and no one can convince me otherwise :D
@@Angelwoozz i always see akashi comment on svt channel lol
i think i remember seeing ur comment somewhere a few months ago when u said deciding to stan svt was the best decision u ever made
akaashi you’re eveeywhere
I think most of us had problems with the MV rather than the song itself.
Yes. MV was directed by YG’s team.
Yes
the way you pointed out exactly why this song is so bighit, compared to seventeen’s sound, so perfectly man. i knew it was different on first listen and then i saw hitman bang and wonderkid credited and went “ohhhh”. love the album and anyone is my current favourite and we get more vernon and wonwoo singing in there too hehe.
anyone is so good. i literally yelled when i say the anyone performance and vernon started singing.
literally vernon's singing part in Anyone is heavenly, i am almost sobbing
Tbh when I listen to this song this sounds more like a song that should have more night scenes. When I listen this, I can imagine Mingyu drivign really fast over a bridge on Han River and different drones being used to show the speed. This song should have more scenes showing speed? The shots were too static. I think for example Infinite's The Chaser MV is dynamic and for some reason I correlate this mv with that.
That would be so cool. I also imagine them running through a busy crowd in the middle of street/city.
Ohhh true... maybe this mv + a day that passes bye and ends in a sunrise
i agree, my sister and i went for a late night run and we blasted this song. really an incredible song
Yea, i kinda feel that the song overpowers the music video a little bit. SVT’s music videos are usually a little more dynamic, this sorta feels like a B-side track MV 😅 but ngl they all look really good haha
I agree with you. Also they let Jeonghan's hair long. But he had few appearance. I dont know if they want to change svt style. But I hope as they are learning from someone. Like Bpd.. they wont forget their style as before.
when i first listened to ready to love i was shocked at how much this sounds like a hybe song. i totally agree with pd here when they said that there are different influences here, especially with bang pd participating in production. you can really hear the hybe sound in this song and im not gonna lie i don’t know how i feel about this comeback, heaven’s cloud or anyone could’ve been great title tracks too in my opinion
Agree 100%.
Me too 😭
i agree this song sounds "hybe"-ey. I do love the song though. In fact I fall in love with it at first listen
Maybe, originally it was written for hybe groups. But then svt produsers chose it. I hope for it. Coz I don't like to think that they desided to change the sound/tytle song pattern to make it more easy for american ear.
@@FlowerLotusThe whats wrong with that if they pulled it off anyway? You all should stop this thinking because seventeen WANTS to enter billboard means they want to branch out more. This doesnt mean they will change anything but rather they will adapt. Please dont say things like this because it’s actually bad for woozi since he worked hard for this for you all to only say stuff like this 🙄
Yes Ready to Love doesn't sounds like SEVENTEEN song . I'm not complaining about this ! It's sounds really great . But I'm really love that SEVENTEEN vibe in their musics , that's why they are my ultimate favorite in whole music industry . But I'm really enjoying this huge change in their title track .
agree
@@_archie yes Heaven's cloud is like actual SEVENTEEN vibe . Well, I'm obsessed with the whole album . Each b-sides are great . It's hard to choose favorite one but still Heaven's cloud and anyone are my most fave
The first time I listened to it I was like ??? because it wasn't what I was expecting, but once I got over my confusion, I realized it was super catchy and it made me dance so I'm here for it! But Anyone is my favorite song on the mini album tbh
@@_archie agreed. When I first listened to the album, I thought Heaven’s cloud should have been the title track- it sounds so seventeen! But I can understand why RTL is the title track, it’s so catchy!!! Saying that, my personal fave on the album has to be Anyone- w/ my bias Vernon singing in his heavenly voice ☺️
Are you Indian carat?😀
this comeback was absolutely amazing. unfortunately there is only two things that bother me.
1) the rain scene in the mv could’ve been shot better.
2) I felt a huge lack of jeonghan, but then again this is my opinion.
I agree they could've done the rain scene better, also jeonghan screen time was really lacking he looks so good needed more scenes of him to appreciate
Ngl I didn’t see Dino once
Well, Jeonghan got a lot of screen time in Home;Run sooo I guess it was okay since they're giving more time for other members to shine. :)
the rain scene had so much potential! they could have shot it so much better.
@@luffypirateking1068 I only saw him standing on the bus and as soon as I went DINO :0 he was gone
PD, The team responsible for the mv was from YG, or a team that has worked for YG mv before I guess, Dextor-Lab. I feel the MV didn't make justice to their dance, or the parts they danced. For me, personally, I felt the narrative was a little off, idk. The rain scene could be so much more powerful if there were little hints that it'll rain in the end, for example. But when it rains it comes from nowhere, and in the scene, we can barely see the members, idk. I liked the mv, but I wish it was a little better directed. I guess the focus was in the member's faces, solo shots, trying to convey the emotion rather than the dance itself, cuz the dance sequences weren't that well shot for me.
Plus: The set was beautiful, so it was really the director of the MV who wasted chances of doing something that could be even prettier, aesthetically and mesmerizing in this MV. This time, production was by Dextor Lab, for Left n Right and Home; run was from Digipedi and for Fallin' Flower from Rigend film. So they are always changing video directors and producers depending on the proposal of the song, the project, I think.
I also think the rain scene is lacking. It has so much potential so it's disappointing how they delivered it. The MV is def one of those 'could've been better' kind of MV too, for the exact same reason, the topic is power of love so there's plenty of things that they could have done than that. It's still pretty tho.
i agree, the team who directed and shot the video did svt kinda dirty, i wish i could have seen their faces more during the rain scene especially, and i also agree that the rain scene was a tad too spontaneous if yk what i mean
I agree with you. Anyway, do you know whos produce Not Alone MV? Because I find it cooler and more dynamic than RTL MV in my opinion
@@fugacitty_ we have the same thought
I agree with you tho. It’s really frustrating because the set was so beautiful but the directing i guess just fell short. Wish they learn from this.
PD Minghao is either 3rd or 4th in the line distribution for the title track. THE GROWTH😭
the mv quality is as good as hoshi’s impromptu spider mv on the island😭
I crack reading this. It's freaking funny. 😂😂😂
i absolutely love this song, it’s different from their other title tracks and I love how they kind of went back to their light and poppy sound. I agree with the disappointment with the MV because of how beautiful and ethereal their previous mvs were without being so bleached like bruh what happened to the melanin we were seeing like in 24h. My favorite track has to be Heaven’s Cloud and Game boi being a grower. Overall they did not disappoint although I would like a little bit of more of Jeonghan.
Same would have loved to have see blonde Jeonghan more:(
Their visuals literally saved this mv.
@@54six , it did not for me even though I love the visuals of all the members because if I wanted to see glamour shots, I would look at a men’s magazine.
In my opinion, the song itself was so good on its own. But, The MV didn’t do it justice and that’s why other carats are so unsatisfied. Their previous digipedi team that worked on L&R would have made a better storyline and concept for this MV. Just my opinion tho
i agree w pd that RTL doesn't feel like the SVT comebacks we're used to. SVT has always been changing their style, but even when they went from title tracks like adore u, then shifted to different sounds like in DWC or fear, woozi and bumzu still always left a recognizable SVT feel to it. i still liked RTL bc it reminded me of 2nd gen vibes (which got me into kpop), but it felt unfamiliar imo, like it was a song made by a different group. i'm fine if this is the sound that woozi really wants to experiment with, but im just worried that that might not be the case, and that the introduction of the hybe music production team might be steering svt's music in a direction that svt didn't really intend to go.
I agree with you as a carat, I do not dislike RTL, but I prefer heaven's cloud to RTL because it sounds like SVT. I am all for Woozi wanting to experiment with new songs and a way of producing it, but like you I think it might not be the case.
i feel like a lot of people expect too much . sometimes it’s okay to release more ‘basic’ sounding songs rather than something big/grand. i understand where u are coming from but at the same time it’s refreshing seeing something like this. especially since rtl is something new for seventeen but they still did it amazingly.
@@whiterose150 exactly, i agree so much omg!
@@marvelspuccy3087 for carats who always listen or already listened to all of seventeen songs from title tracks to bsides, this is not something you can call refreshing, this is confusing because it doesn't sound seventeen song. It felt like txt or enhypen song which carats doesn't like because again seventeen have their own song whether it's slow dance music, fast dance music, hard dance music, ballad, bright or dark concept sound, seventeen has their own sound.
@@whiterose150 same
I didn't feel conflicted at all after listening to this song. I know that many Carats are disappointed since there are new people involved in production but hey, Seventeen is transitioning right now. I remember watching their newest interview with MTV and how Woozi said that they don't want to be confined with their limits. They want to show something more, they want to offer us something new. And I believe that collaborating with other producers will help them doing that. Whatever path they want to take, as a fan, I'll continue on supporting them.
i agree! i support seventeen in whatever they decide to do! all of their music is great
But only 2 members of svt choosed their title track as their favourite song in their album. Showing that them felt like it's not their own song.
@@mikaela4804 That's inevitable. Since not all of them will like their title track, but that doesn't mean that they hate it. It just like how they have also their own favorites from their other albums, commonly, they really preferred their b-sides. Title track is for the general audience, and look how many non-carat enjoyed the song. It's not a bad thing, I know that other producers' color was prominent in Ready to Love, but you can still hear SVT color into it. Anyway, every Carats have the right to love or not the song. Let's just support our boys, since for sure they know what they're doing.
i’m so afraid to talk about how NOT seventeen ready to love is. they never settled on one genre and woozi has always explored different things but they’ve always retained that seventeen sound. It’s not that it’s a bad song, it’s actually a good song but i’m kind of scared of how this would go from here. I just hope they don’t lose their creative freedom.
same here . I'm started to be scared honestly . after what happened to GFRIEND ( although hybe is not the fault on that but we know after they emerged then gfriend disband ) although I know SVT is really as strong group but they should let do their creativity on their song . But hoping for the best , I hope they do well on SVT .
woozi and bumzu are the main producers of the track. let seventeen try out new things
@@jungwoniehamkke4148 i’m not saying seventeen should stop exploring? If it’s 100% their decision then that’s fine. What I’m worried about is IF it is not. Hybe obviously has a lot of influence now given they own majority of the stocks. we started seeing that on merch, album promo, the Japan distribution, and now on music.
It’s not bad to hope they don’t lose their creative freedom.
@@jungwoniehamkke4148 If other tracks sounded like rtl then some carats like me wouldn't think that this title track felt bside or even not a seventeen song. Whatever genre or music style that Seventeen releases it always have the woozi and bumzu's signature sound that's why it's impossible for woozi and bumzu having the upper hand on this title track. Lyrics were indeed have the seventeen type of creativity but the song itself sound off and doesn't have the thrill that svt title track always have.
It's a good song but not a seventeen sound that make it a song inspired from txt. This feels like txt's title track not seventeen one.
Don’t mind me, I’m here only to see PD fanboy over Jeonghan over and over again
me too
Me too!
Me too!
Gasp me too!
@•Jas• ⟨° EN & SVT °⟩ isn’t it written correctly? How should I fix the comment?
Also, I appreciate that everyone is giving helpful critique, and not just mindlessly hating on them. It's actually pretty interesting to go through all the comments and read what others expected it to be or how they would have tweaked it here and there. A lot of different opinions but it's a respectful and healthy discussion.
The only thing I really can't agree with is that anybody else could've sung this. No, I really don't see that, like, I know a lot of groups and no-one could've pulled this off. This is still a quintessential Seventeen song to me, I really can't picture anybody else doing this.
I agree with you so much, no other group could have done this, no way.
I’m not a carat but I always listen to Seventeen’s comebacks and albums and I’ve got to say RTL is easily one of my favorites songs of them. The song is just so good and I am happy to see them trying different styles. I don’t think that changing a little bit of style or producing is bad. Seventeen will always be Seventeen, no matter what kind of songs they’ll do.
MV-wise, I actually like it. It’s different but pretty and cute. I wish they put a little more dance scenes tho.
on behalf of all the carats, thx sm for supporting svt
We, carats appreacite you and your support in svt. Thank you very much!
Pls give a listen to the entire album it’s sooo goood!!! Thank you!
@@cindy_carat5057 I already did! My favs are RTL, Heaven’sCloud and Anyone. But the other 3 songs are really nice too. They really did well with this album 😊
agree!!
Ready To Love was quite confusing even as a CARAT i’m still very conflicted if i vibe with it or not;; Heaven’s Cloud would have been such a good contender as title track imo. That song just screamssssssss screamsssss Seventeen and it’s kinda unfortunate it wasn’t title track or promoted as b-side on music shows.
I agree. It feels so Hybe and I don’t mean to offend anyone but not a big fan of that.
I agree about "heaven's cloud' with you and I just love it but I find "anyone" more suitable
I saw someone said like this on twt:
" somehow i'm grateful they are not making songs like "Anyone", "Good To Me", "Fast Pace", "Fearless" as title tracks cos these are gems w/ top-tier stage performance & shall not be overused/overexposed so you get that "craving for more" feeling of a different side of SVT image. for fans it’s like “these stage performances are not the usual public image of refreshing seventeen, so these are so precious”
for non-fans it’s more like a rediscovery like “oh?! seventeen has this side too?!” and they will surely leave strong impression!"
Cr: @two_oh_teen
I wished HYBE hadn't got into the production of the song. It's the only song in that album that actually sounds out of place for me. SVT is one of the groups I love for being self composed and for always evolving in their OWN sound.
I feel exactly the same. I like the song but miss something that screams seventeen. That's why i love heavens cloud better
The rain scene would fit right at home in Taemin's Move MV. It's definitely my favourite part of this MV, and it suits the song the best imo. But it does feel out of place compared to the rest of the MV. Maybe if they changed the colouration, it'd feel a better whole piece. (A pastel rain scene would have been cool). I love the choreo for Ready To Love, so I wish they'd focused on that more - I think they shot the choreo really well when they did.
I thought the same thing
Hybe's influence in this is just....so clear, even in the video. It feels weird.
i agree..
I have a bad feelin about this...
i don't feel good about this
And the video production was by someone from YG
@@inagoodman Lol stfu let the boys do what they want and stop crying
ive been waiting for pd to react to this
Same xD
Same same 😆
Sameeee mann yeepee!
Same
Same xD
I think what disappointed me was that it didn't have a wow character, something even their b-side tracks usually have. Case in point being their entire Semicolon album. I was a little underwhelmed by this track which could also be because they were coming off songs like home run and left and right, which were so well done. But the one thing I definitely appreciated was more singing from Wonwoo, Dino and The8, it was definitely a more fairly distributed song.
"You give me purpose"
It's stuck in my DNA i can't stop singing it 😭
no one:
PD: “-ON A TITLE TRACK?!”
haha, loved thisss
Ready to Love (and the album “Your Choice”) is apparently part of a series Seventeen are doing about love and youth and stuff. Mingyu and Wonwoo’s “Bittersweet”, along with (I think) Minghao’s “Side by Side” are also part of this project. Can’t wait to see what direction they take the project in the future.
Their solo MVs were much better than this.
Side by side isn’t part of the project. Bittersweet was the first one
5:45
Yeah, there were a couple of Americans that worked on the song
I think it’s HYBE’s influence thats covering Woozi and Bumzu’s style of producing.
Not that I’m saying it’s bad
The song is a bop
But I am afraid of the possibilities of Woozi and Bumzu slowly taking smaller and smaller roles in upcoming Seventeen songs.
Seventeen have a sound unique to them, and I’d hate to see it get lost in mainstream pop
i agree !! i did notice that this song sounds more mainstream compared to other title tracks svt has done in the past
i actually felt sad that they are taking woozi and bumzu's role as a producer/writer on their title tracks. I actually like the song but it isn't SVT's sound. I feel like bang pd and his team should not change SVT's sound. :(
@@ramyeonz8186 but the boys themselves said they would like to enter or top the billboard charts so i think they might have decided it themselves.
@@tenzinrangdoll361 oh i see, i didn't know that. But the song is good it's just that i was shock that bang pd was one of the "producer" or writer.
@@ramyeonz8186 aww, agree with that too !! i hope they don't try to change up the sound in future comebacks more, like this sound is already okay, and it IS good, but svt signature sound will always be bc of woozi-bumzu combo
Can't wait for PD to watch the Anyone & Ready to love comeback performances...PD is going to die a million times over Jeonghan's wavy blonde hair I JUST KNNOW IT!!
Or the fact that woozi was wearing a crop top :p
@@MyObbsession omg yes the crop top!!! The almighty woozi who always tucks his shirts in is wearing a crop top 😂 what world are we in
But will give his reaction to it over here ?
@@nehamhatre4038 probably Patreon
@@nehamhatre4038 he will probably do it during a boy group livestream on patreon
I appreciate the song, it's definitely different, but I do like it better than HomeRun bc Ready to Love feels more listenable/singable. I actually LOVE Anyone - like i wake up to "we make the rules" stuck in my head lol.
And Anyone is written by woozi/bumzu, so that makes sense about the svt feel. And I agree with other commenters about hoping woozi/bumzu and svt in general maintain creative control over their title tracks
An Anyone lover! 😭😭 That song is soooooo good! And I hope they'll release its dance practice too.
yes, the fact that I listen to Anyone more than RTL lol.
Yeah agree it’s more singable and catchy
@@shiraashukri3163 yessss I've been listening to just Anyone on repeat!! On a single song loop lmao its so good otl
@@seventeenscarat9901 anyone dance practice release would be BRILLIANT yes pls
PD check out their 'behind the songs' interview with Grammy. Woozi himself stated the guide/demo that he created at the beginning does not sound like this. Even some members that heard the original demo were shocked that RTL changed to a completely different song when they heard it again a few days later. Their original version was sort of like DWC with more sentimental feels instead of the released version which is more easy to listen mainstream pop. They still kept the original song files btw. So carat's suspicions about RTL composition being "hybe heavy" turnt out to be true. This is scary bcs clearly nobody wanted seventeen sounding basic like what hybe is trying to make them to be. Hopefully they still have the upper hand in terms of their freedom & creativity in creating music
Yup, saw this interview as well. Dang..............
I feel disheartened
Thank God, I thought I was the only one that thought that it didn't sound like a Seventeen song. Great to see I'm not delusional.
I'm not fond of the heavy and obvious HYBE influence for this song or the video. But I'll reserve judgement for the next-- ahem, track that HYBE has their hooks into with regard to SEVENTEEN.
seventeen themselves said its different. let them try out new styles. people gotta quit blaming hybe when bittersweet, spider and homerun came out under hybe.
@@jungwoniehamkke4148 I literally didn't say anything about HYBE...I didn't even insinuate I didn't like the song. I just said it didn't sound like a Seventeen song, which it true.
The thing that I found amusing is, I am not even a Carat but when I first listen to it I was already like "wait, this is SVT?". That is just how much change they make that even non-fan could tell.
@@jungwoniehamkke4148 the difference is that this is the first song that hybe producers worked on as well. This is why some people are worried. I'd say we won't know for sure right now, but they have a solid reason to be anxious. They're not just making things up
Bang Sihyuk is credited as a writer and a producer on the song on Spotify too so it’s definitely Bang PD’s influence that changed the direction of the music… I know, I thought it was kind of weird too. The song has grown on me but it’s definitely not SVT’s regular sound
Hopefully he stays away from working with seventeen in the future 😅
@@kahipark5643 LMAOO
@@kahipark5643 maybe he holded the mic for svt while they singing, that gave him an audacity to add his name in credits lol
@@kahipark5643 Hopefully he leaves with his money and lets Pledis sink😊
@@ridhisbreathing6169 I mean! The nerve of him! It's not like they are relying on his hard earned money to survive their company and careers!
This song is easy to listen, and that's the kind of production that hybe usually goes for their groups lately, but that doesn't take all the credit in this case because we still can hear Woozi an Bumzu style, and the reason its because they obviously worked a lot on the song... Maybe the strategy of hybe is make music so they can enter more into the american type of style and they worked with Woozi and Bumzu on the title track for that kind of production... Still, i saved it on my Playlist and i can't stop listening to the whole album, it's so goooood
I clearly get what you wanted to say about their title track, it's like I get it but i can't explain it but I totally get it😂 I just can't put it into words
Yes, you're not alone with that! Me & my Carat friends thought so too.
As someone who has followed them all the way back in the beginning during predebut days I love this song. I think Seventeen keeps reinventing and just no matter what can not sing a bad song whether it a title track or B side. They are number one to me always have been over any other group. This mini album actually broke the record for fastest sales of a million copies.
You actually mentioned in the HOME;RUN reaction that the line distribution and arrangement was different for a seventeen song as well. I think everyone got two "parts" except for Jun, DK, Mingyu, Wonwoo, and Coups though the latter three only get there from "You give me purpose".
Anyway I agree big time that I am down for the other members showing off their vocals more.
Another good reaction. It's always nice to watch a reaction that doesn't end 2 seconds after they finish the MV.
I love the song but out of all the songs on this album, Heaven's Cloud is definitely my favorite. Like how the heck did it not become the title track.
"no group better than seventeen" IKTRRR ;))
Your reaction to Jeonghan was exactly my reaction to Blonde S.Coups. He looks so superior in it. I just love him in blond. There is a dance practise and they have comeback show with this and Anyone (Which will make you shook)
'There is no group i know better than seventeen..and no group's music i understand better than seventeen'
I love ur line!! That's totally true!
For me HEAVEN's CLOUD is more Seventeen . I don't know why but I like Heaven's cloud more than RTL
I agree, and I prefer that song to ready to love. Even the choreography seem a bit chaotic, I am not sure if it is due to Hybe influence, but I have feeling it is all due to Hybe.
@@whiterose150 y'all saying as if hybe can do everything with seventeen like they don't have control over what music artists under Pledis release. Infact when pledis came under hybe it was clearly stated that hybe won't interfere in their decisions on music.. Pls stop blaming people because this song is a literal legend... So many people are falling for seventeen because of this song.. This song deserves to be the tt cause this song cleary states what message they want to give with this album also read the mv description it cleary makes rtl as the only and most suited tt
@@kimtah8246 I am not blaming anyone, just making a point which I am allowed to. As a carat, who listen to all of Seventeen songs, even their B sides, and know their music. This does not sound like any Seventeen song I have heard.
@@whiterose150 i understand ur point but I would've agreed if the song wasn't such a banger tbh it's literally my fav seventeen song
AGREED. It's not that RTL is bad but Heaven's Cloud is more SVT and TITLE TRACK WORTY
Honestly I want sure at first. It's totally a generally "good" song but when I first listened to it, I got that bside feeling too and I just didn't find myself wanting to replay this a lot but after a day or so, after watching the performance I'm enjoying it a lot more now and I had it on REPEAT.
I'm just here to put in my own thoughts in the whole hybe + seventeen discussion.... people seem to be worried or upset, but I honestly think right now they are just experimenting with their sounds and productions overall to see what new things may or may not work. I don't think they are changing their sound overall, or that bang pd or hybe are "forcing" things on them either... they still have their old producers, teams, and all those things since it is still pledis so we don't have to worry about that! ^-^ seventeen already has a sound, a set place in the industry, and a huge fandom, so I don't think we will ever lose that seventeen sound and flare... experimenting is never solely a bad thing so I think it's great that they are just trying things out :)
I agree with u
This comment calm down my anxiety. Thank you, it might be it hopefully!
@@lovelyeysi samee
I so agree with it, I don’t get why some carats being worried about Seventeen trying out different kinds of music since Woozi and Bumzu still involved heavily in the production.
I hope you are right because RTL is not SVT to me.
It's so funny that all of us have been like "Wait a second..." and immediately checked the credits. I do love the song, it's just different.
The electric bass coming into the 2nd verse even heavier REALLY adds some weight. You only hear that in the final verse but they used the final verse for more vocals on top of it.....it's great and changes the pace of the song so much better than other songs. I love it
I feel the same thing about this title track, I love seventeen, and this song is great but it doesn't scream seventeen song. For me the sound is too crowded, and the chorus gives me unfamiliar vibes, not the vibes i'm getting from a normal seventeen song.
Personally, I enjoy this twist In music production even if I miss Woozi's overall signature (even if Hoshi says that he wanted to do amazing in this comeback for Woozi so idk what really is going on). And I loved the nod to Mansae and Aju Nice in the color palette of the MV, even if it was not up to par quality-wise. I do enjoy The8 and Jun's prevalence in the song as well, I love how fair the time and line distribution is getting. Just... I feel myself listening to this song for a longer time than I did Home Run or Left and RIght... but that's just my personal preference
They even changed their MV director this time which is i don't like. The Group dance shot doesn't have that impact unlike in hitori ja nai where it was just shown for 4 to 5 seconds but it left an impact that made viewers to wait for their choreography video.
As for the line distribution, Jeonghan got the least screentime i guess and he also got one of the least line. As a jeonghan stan i felt unfair a little a bit but Jeonghan got so many lines way back 2019 to 2020 era so it's fine.
They always change their MV Team though, But yeah I agree
I was afraid that they might change their music because of the new company and all, but you pointing out the western expansion made me realize that Yes! they need this change. and I am still here for them no matter what music they put out in the future 🙏🏼✨
on the distribution, i think hybe really tried its best to showcase all members bc they don't want any member left out of the spotlight. ofc i appreciate the effort because it's their first time working on such a lot of members
I'm honestly kind of torn on this. I wasn't really a fan of Seventeen's last two title tracks so this song is SO SO much better and I actually quite like it now though it did take a bit to grow on me. But you're right, it just doesn't feel like a Seventeen title track. Nothing against HYBE and hitman Bang they're good at what they do because I do enjoy a lot of TXT and BTS' songs but I really wish they'd just let Seventeen be and let them do their own thing that they've done for years. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad song and I'm not saying HYBE team aren't great producers but I just feel like we're losing a bit of Seventeen's identity since they acquired Pledis.
I felt this with GFRIEND when Source Music merged with HYBE, their sound changed and I'm so afraid the same thing would happen with Seventeen and Nu'est. Change isn't bad, especially if it's the artists' own choice and it definitely part of growing but you don't want to lose your identity with it. I just feel like HYBE is dipping their hands too much in to some that wasn't broken to begin with.
I WILL SAY. What I am glad about this song is the fact that the members who usually are at the bottom of the line distribution on title track actually got to shine more. Like we actually got to hear Dino SING sing?!? Jun, Dino, Minghao don't just have 1 line in chorus part? And Rap line Vocals? That was beautiful.
I have to agree with you, it’s a good song. Like, I have to admit that this is very good and very easy to listen to, but it also feels like it’s losing Seventeen vibe in it. If I have to compare with ‘Anyone’ which is produced fully by Woozi and Bumzu, it sounds more Seventeen and it feels like it suits to be Seventeen usual title track more.
But if we want to push for US market and more general/casual listeners, i guess this is a change we need. But again I’m not sure about how to feel about RTL cause it sounds very unusual, very unfamiliar, yet it sounds good. And I agree with what PD says about this, like it’s good but as an avid listener of Seventeen, I’m not 100% bought by it
losing seventeen's identity? you do know woozi and bumzu are still the main producers of the track and how all members talked about their participation in this album right? semicolon came out after the merge and it was top tier in terms of quality. i think with this cb instead of complaining about hybe y'all should look at pledis lol.
@@jungwoniehamkke4148 I am well aware that Woozi and Bumzu is still the main producer of the song. But you also can’t deny the fact that because there are other producers involved in this song in particular makes this song (RTL) different. On the other hand, Semicolon (even after the merge) doesn’t involve other producers which makes the comparison isn’t apple to apple.
I’m not complaining about hybe or other producer getting involved with the production. Don’t get me wrong, I like this song and I still completely support them. I’m just saying that this cb feels unfamiliar, unusual, and bit more different than the usual SVT color. It is good to have changes like this too, it helps them to grow even more as an artist. I think I just feel something is missing, which I think is this SVT’s vibe (it’s not like it’s not there but it’s just not as prominent as before and it’s more subtle in this song). But yeah I guess changes are still hard to swallow :))
@@jungwoniehamkke4148 oh look it's a hybe apologist/sympathizer
@@kahipark5643 I never understand people who stan companies. Like look, we get liking groups or some things that a company does right. But in the end, their main goal is to produce revenue and most cases do anything they can to do so.
"Anyone" and "Heaven's Cloud" are more of SEVENTEEN sound. I thought that Heaven's Cloud would be the title track when their first Your Choice video teaser released (the animated one).
I'm one of the rare carats that actually enjoy RTL, but even then I also find some parts a little bit off putting, like how they incorporated the rap parts into the song. Normally they transited really smoothly but somehow in this song they sound a little bit... off, idk how to describe it
Me too I love this song even on the first listen, and actually Scoups’ apart stood out to me the most.
"You give me purpose" bothers me a lot imo.
I think the common consensus is that its great and a bop but it doesnt sound seventeen which may be worrying since we all know what corporations are like.
me too like the song on my first listen
I've never really gotten into Seventeen. From the first time I heard this song, I was hooked. It's been on repeat. I love the harmonizing towards the end. It's almost ethereal! Thank you to line distribution videos for helping me to figure out who is singing what! Curious to check out their discography knowing that this is a huge departure from what they normally do.
I totally understand what you're saying abt how svt song changed in this cb, the song is rll good but it's not a svt song
I'm not really a carat but I've listened to the last few seventeen cbs and their most popular title songs. Alot of carats seem conflicted on this song but personally I really really love it. I thought the instrumental, vocals and even MV were so smooth. Ok maybe the mv had weird cuts but I really liked the overall vibe. The moment I saw the mv i felt that I knew this song for a while, its so nostalgic.
Also, their Bside tracks are actually better than the title tracks I would say to be honest not like always but most of the time. But I don’t mean their title tracks are bad. RTL and DWC are very very good. Anyway I hope you can give a listen to their whole album and you will know what I mean.
@@cindy_carat5057 So I just came back to this vid after months, if you want an update I'm a carat now haha, In the Soop made me transition from j a casual listener.
@@nuvas3242 omg welcome to caratland 😍 and now they are having attacks comeback soon 🥳 let me know if you have any questions about them~
For me this song sounds like a NU'EST style song. Seventeen and NU'EST usually have different colours in their music, but this works for Seventeen and it could definitely work for NU'EST too.
Yess!
Thank you for saying this! Good to feel I'm not alone 😅
@@zhuldyzka2537 no problem haha I'm a huge NU'EST fan and I also like Seventeen
@@laolaapanda3723 I'm old nuventeen fan too 😄 but honestly after my first mv watching I was like - wait! this song belong to romanticize universe🤣🤣🤣
@@zhuldyzka2537 omg yess!!! It definitely sounds like a Romanticize b-side. Definitely more recent NU'EST since NU'EST W sound
I was a little anxious before the song came out, after seeing so many names on the composing credits of this song. I'm just so used to Woozi, Bumzu and people from PrismFilter.
It is different but the song is good. It didn't take anything away from Seventeen. The song is catchy, the choreo is insane, the vocals are on point, the boys look beautiful. I'm a happy Carat.
With the MV.. I think Rigend and DigiPedi just set the bar so high that this MV pales in comparison. MV was produced by Dextor-Lab - the director worked mostly with YG artists (most recently, Rose's On The Ground). I am not sure if this has something to do with YG Plus doing the distribution for this album. That being said, I just need Rima/Rigend (Hit, Fear, Fallin Flower, Spider) to work with SVT again.
Rigend is god tier
I want the film team to be back with seventeen again
My fear was literally if, because of HYBE, their MVs would look super different. And their music sounding different. (Yes I KNOW he said YG. But did YG ever help out BEFORE HYBE? Or only after they joined HYBE?)
On a brighter note, I do like the song (more vocals from different members and stuff!) & the set is still cool. Plus the album is great ofc.
Edit: I want to establish that no matter what I'm supporting Seventeen. And I'm not as concerned about change as I was before. Change isn't particularly bad and I'm still positive towards Seventeen's future... I was just expressing my preference for their "usual" than RTL even though I still really like RTL especially now, 2 weeks later.
Same.
Yeah I'm thinking same too . Thus the HyBe's producer have incoperatte their style on SVT .
the video production was by someone from YG not Hybe
@@ukiki65 yes. People. Plz note that.
Why are you all so afraid of change
but this is the first SVT song that really made me stan them :( it's so so so goooddd!
Hitman Bang's influence is very felt in this song. The rest of the album is Seventeen as we know :)
ready to love is one of my fave songs from them for sure
I loved the reaction, as a Jeonghan biased I feel you lol. Also I am a new carat and this is my first seventeen comeback and I can't believe I've never meet them before. I really hope they get the recognition they deserve because they're amazing, in a short amount of time they've become one of my favorites groups.. This whole album is a masterpiece.
Our Woozi was still the main producer... :) In their press con he said he was thankful and felt respected as a producer...
I just really hope that Seventeen themselves are enjoying this slight change in “style” of the title track. I think that Seventeen always shines through in everything that they do and that makes me satisfied with every song they release :)
(Also thank you so much PD for giving us all of your insight and opinions. It’s so refreshing to watch your videos)
the only producer i trust in caratland.. i feel u pd.. i feel u.. as a carat since their debut.. i can notice and feel it... i understand..
The first thing i did after my first listen was checking the credits and then going i knew it....... I just hope the members were satisfied with it, experimenting is good but the other producers added their own charm in general, not something specific for seventeen (not like seventeen can't pull off literally everything) but the last thing i want is the typical hybe influence on their music they have enough groups to do that (and i love them of course) because that's their sound. The bsides, i dig them completely.
Heaven's Cloud being majority of SVT members' fave song..... And Vernon saying HC is more the sound he likes listening to... :))
This song actually makes me really happy and the8 and Joshua got so many lines 😍
i do agree if you are a long time carat on the first listen it might be very surprising cause its very different from their usual stuff but as you listen to it more it grows on you
i kinda feel validated now i know that i wasn't the only one who felt this song didn't feel very Seventeen style-wise. It's a good song, it just didn't hit me as a Seventeen song.
RTL made me purchase my very FIRST SEVENTEEN ALBUM and my very FIRST BOY GROUP ALBUM. I super love the songs in the album. 💖
welcome to caratland!!!
I LOVED THIS COMEBACK!!
And the album omg so amazing, especially anyone!!
Tbh it is the first seventeen song I like after don't wanna cry. Love the chorus so much
I almost wasn't gonna give the MV a watch because I saw the preview of the MV and it was lackluster compared to other Seventeen MVs. HOWEVER, the song has me completely sold. It's a very beautiful song that takes inspiration from older Kpop songs with a catchy melody. It's probably my favorite Seventeen song aside from Mansae, Hit, and Adore U.
i love the way you praise woozi and seventeen’s music ❤️
when i heard hitman bang are on the list, i feel like...........
Upon first listening i also was also unsure about my feelings on this song. But i think this is such a seventeen song. A seventeen song to me is so complex and beautiful. Everything in their songs haa been carefully considered and put in them because its the best way for the songs to go. Its the same with this song. The more you listen the more everything makes sense. Its so beautiful. A masterpiece in my opinion.
even seventeen acknowledge the change of direction in this comeback but i feel they are super comfortable with what THEY do as a team, i hope hybe don’t continue messing things up because the whole formula for seventeen’s uniqueness is their autoproduction
Not a God stanning seventeen. Is that muqing 🥺 fu Yao
@@mingyuna2685 Yes !!! i bet muqing’s favorite group is seventeen
From someone who's not a Carat, this is the first Seventeen song that had me interested in a while. I'll check out their discography.
this is why i don't like hybe involvement into svt title tracks bcs i want people to be interested in svt music as svt music as a whole not just _mainstream_ song with spinkles of svt sound
@@moss_soft Agree, constant involvement is bad and I hope it won't be the case. But once in a while it can be ok, just to pull ppl in from a slightly different audience. Cuz someone who likes _only_ the mainstream leaves quickly, but those who stay will listen to svt's other music and appreciate the whole svt sound (which is what I'm doing, listening to albums with a new love for it). So more ppl interested in their whole music
@@moss_soft chill chill chilll fellow carat. I think its ok, LET'S SEE IT AS AN OPORTUNITY TO GROW IN AUDIENCE, someones will be casual listeners, but others may be interested in listening all the discography and choose to stay.
@@gloriasalvador4381 I'm not being angry or against their growth. I'm just afraid that hybe will limit them at some point
@@moss_soft i dont think we have to worry about it, hybe let spider,side by side and bittersweet happen, that screams creative freedom to me. And let's be honest with only pledis money those songs and mvs would never have happened (financially at least)
The only MV reaction of Ready To Love that I've been waiting for☺
so interesting to see the differing opinions on RTL. personally, i can’t get enough of it, it’s been on repeat since it came out. i do think it’s different from the usual seventeen style, but i love it nonetheless and the melodies and amazing percussion and baseline stood out to me. it’s something i’d blast on a summer drive, so i was also taken aback by the direction of the music video, it felt a little all over the place. like other people i’m concerned by hybe’s involvement in the production, but i’m trying to stay optimistic that seventeen will continue to produce songs their way above all. besides, like i said, i personally loved RTL and i hope that the members love it too and did not feel forced to go in this direction
and the rest of the album was even better. i found game boy to be so creative and fun and a real stand out on the album, but the rest of the songs were so good too and felt much more familiar to svt’s sound
Tbh, when I hear RTL for the first time... I didn't like it because it doesn't have that Seventeen vibe for title tracks but after listening it for few times, it started to grow on me. Now I'm fully addicted to it.
I also agree that the video could have been better like adding more choreo or little story since their lyrics is straightforward because video creates the theme of the music. That's why it is called a music video.
seventeen are my ultimate ults and this is one of my favorite korean tt’s by them it’s sooo good. ive unfortunately seen a lot of mixed reactions but personally i love it a lot. it’s really unfortunate that a staff caught the virus and now they’re in quarantine not able to promote because i’m so excited for this era :/ hopefully when they’re done with quarantine they’ll be able to do all of the promotions they were supposed to
i love how pd goes "what is going on??" and explains it with a simple "where is jeonghan?" shortly after like yes i was wondering too xD
i love the song, it sounds very different but good! im not a HUGE fan of "typical" summer hits bc although i love seventeen and many many other groups and support them, but im more drawn to the winter comebacks. this one is actually a huge change and it hit me offguard.
the mv itself is cute but as many others here in the comments, i prefered the "older" style so i totally see where yall come from with that.
as an artist, the mv is almost quite dissappointing bc only certain memberd have drawable solo shots, thats the first thing ive noticed.
after that i realised: wait - this is seventeen, where are the powerful choreo-shots? ^^`
i'm so glad i'm not the only one who was immensely disappointed with this mv
this song, seventeen and ESPECIALLY the choreography deserved so much better
I feel like ready to love is kind of similar to hit, it's like sometimes seventeen loves to release passionate edm song in the summer. Very nice--2016/7/7, hit--2019/8/5, ready to love--2021/6/18. These songs all have strong beats and edm in it, it makes people wanna dance.
The chorus hit different when they started dancing in rain
Shaggy blonde Jeonghan is what I live for
every carat agrees to this comment and if you don't, you're not a carat
I am so glad I'm not the only one who isn't really vibing with this comeback. I feel almost guilty because I WANT to like their music but then I listened en watched and it doesn't feel like a Seventeen track to me. Also, the mv is really plain and it just doesn't fit with their style. HYBE let our boys do their thing! I'm already a fan of all your groups, so don't make Seventeen like them please!
You're not alone, co carat. Hitori ja nai
I KNOW! But carats are doing a really good job streaming, so I wondered if I was the only one who was disappointed, but turns out we all just love Seventeen that much
Note: MV was directed by YG’s team
Yeah, it's still SVT track, so we support it.
I always appreciate these videos as a fellow Carat because while I’ve followed them since debut, I never really listened to them properly until Boom Boom. There’s so much of SVT that I’ve personally missed out on in those golden days, so I really love watching these from someone who cares for the boys and their music so much.
While I agree this has been a surprise from them, I really enjoyed this song! I’m always happy to support SVT and their artistic choices - it’s their music after all and as artists they should never compromise. I love watching them grow and try out new styles, and Seventeen are such a versatile group that their sound can never be drowned out, even with something as bombastic as RTL. The MV on the other hand…the rain scene def made up for all the lacking parts and I’m often wondering if these were really the same adorable boys in Adore U. And I’m so glad we got so many lines from Wonwoo, Hao, Dino and Vernon - this alone makes up for all the changes.
Can’t wait for your reaction to the rest of this SUPERB album! They have truly come so far and I’m glad HYBE sees their potential.
Thanks as always PD for your thoughtful analyses 🙏🏽
This looked like an H&M photoshoot....I freaking love the song...but except for the last rainy dance part....the MV didn't really work for me.
Pls don't kill me carats!
Edit: You carats are absolute cupcakes. I started following Seventeen 3 months ago....don't know if I qualify to be a carat yet! Hoping soon enough :)
Dw, we don't tend to attack people for an opinion because it has almost nothing to do with the boys since they are not the ones shooting the MV. And for what I have seen most of us feel the same, the MV feels weird and the song sounds too HYBEish, I like the song tho but is not my favourite title track.
as a carat, i agree lol it’s probably one of their worst title track videos. maybe even worse than the pretty u mv (never thought i would ever say that).
I’m a carat and I have the same opinion. The video is just not it for me lol
YOU ARE SO RIGHT WAIT THAT MAKES SENSE
I agree with you, the MV did not work for me either when you see the amazing MV from SVT, such as getting closer, DWC, and Homerun. Moreover, the MV was chaotic, and I don't normally say that about SVT MV.
The mv director is the one who made Lets not fall in love of Bigbang, as i remembered. No wonder why the mv quality is old and bring 2nd gen feel and for me it did not make sense to Seventeen's style.
Btw i love the song. I saw many fans were not happy when they see hybe's producers involved in Seventeen's music but why not if they can create better quality of music. I feel like this is really a chance for Woozi to get out of the box from just working with his team, and i believe he's strong enough to maintain his own color in the song.
I appreciate Woozi alot, Seventeen would not have been who they are today if it's not for Woozi who has stayed behind their discography for this whole time.
honestly, i am really not a fan of hitman bang (or other hybe producers) being too involved in svt’s music. i agree with pd, this doesn’t feel like a svt comeback. even the music video is underwhelming. i didn’t even hate the song too much, it’s just so... meh? it’s weird. even the title tracks from svt i don’t like a lot (thanks, don’t wanna cry, left and right, etc) still felt exciting, they were all memorable and unique.
if woozi wants change his sound, then sure, i guess. but i don’t want hybe to be involved.
But luckily their b-side tracks are so amazing and really sounds like seventeen
Exactly! Woozi changes their sound constantly, but strangely it's cohesive when you see their discography as a whole. This didn't, this has HYBE/BH all over.
I don’t want HYBE to be involved AT ALL Seventeen doesn’t even need them(company Stans don’t even bother coming at me lmao I said what I said.)
It's fascinating to see such a difference in opinion. For me who has largely just listened to svt on the side with their title tracks and few b-side this actually really blows my mind. Altho the fiest thought that popped in my mind was the fact that this doesn't sound like usual svt but it also does not not sound svt which i think is really clever. Svt is been a grp for 6 years and chnages in sound are bound to happen to any grp as they move forward. If svt sticked to the same exact way it wouldn't have helped them grow rather they would've been stuck in the same position but rtl kinda showed the a new direction they experimented to go. I think what you missed is what pd said about hybe being able to provide them help to experiment this new realm since they were already wanting to go to the us market this rtl song will become a stepping stone in my opinion to where they will go from now. It's not wrong that fans have difference in opinions. But i think fans are misunderstanding the approach that hype is neither manipulating svt to become something but rather providing a huge platform to convey themselves and the hybe team being included kinda stands on the same realm that the input that they need rn to produce a int friendly yet svt song can be provided yo them thru this. Personally as a i would say rtl has made me feel like wanting to be in the fandom and i am sure that i am not the only one. This way svt will be bringing bew listeners to the table and widening their range of viewers
I think your gfriend comment kind of does not make sense yo me maybe i have lack of input in that but mago and apple were single handedly my favourite girl grp song of that year and i don't even listen to gfriend that much. The hybe input and money that went in on gfriend i felt like opened eyes of many towards the potential of gfriend. Yes its a shame that gfriend had to disband it may be some internal conflict like contract or money or the internal matters but i don't think the inclusion of hybe team in the musicallty of gfriend was it.
Well I think I've listened to this song about 100 times for almost 4 days during programming my program lol
I love it so much
This is literally my style!
I'm a carat, and i've listened to literally every song seventeen has presented (those which Woozi made for other artists too) and this really was a completely different style, like I sometimes I thought I was hearing BTS Jimin instead of Joshua... It's a song that screams "Seventeen is now HYBE"
I didn't really got the idea of the M/V, it seemed kind of poorly done (not talking about svt, they saved this video lol), the only part I liked was the rain scene, and the FINALLY FAIR LINE DISTRIBUTION; the song is catchy, though.
And I don't know, I mean I'm really grateful, because HYBE is able to skyrocket Seventeen in one comeback the way Pledis (actually, mostly Seventeen) struggled to do in six years. Of course now they have the money, the fame, etc, but... I guess this "HYBE buying them" move doesn't give me good vibes..
I definitely agree!!! Like I don't dislike the song and there are parts of it I actually like, but the song doesn't seem like a SVT song to me, and it's giving me anxiety on whether this was out of Woozi and Bumzu's will or not
@@molly18191 We'll have to wait and see, there is no point in overthinking RN
i absolutely love your commentary!!!