HINSON vs REKLUSE - Which Clutch System is Better?

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  • čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
  • Wondering which clutch system is right for you? Today I talk about the differences between the two most popular clutch systems on the market and discuss the pros and cons of each based on my experiences.
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Komentáře • 417

  • @VlogEpicness
    @VlogEpicness Před 4 lety +423

    I just learned more in 10 minutes than my whole freshman year of high school 👨🏻‍🎓

  • @chucknobles1100
    @chucknobles1100 Před 4 lety +297

    I have read and watched many reviews on the Rekluse and Hinson and not one of the magazines or other testing guys has ever shown the wear and tear with the rubber gromets or explained the slippage that way. Very cool good job Jeff.

    • @baby-sharkgto4902
      @baby-sharkgto4902 Před 4 lety +2

      EXACTLY

    • @roostin
      @roostin Před 4 lety +8

      Cause when the media guys start bashing companies or pointing out major flaws people are less likely to give them free stuff hence the “they’re all really great” statements in the bike shootouts

    • @mxcollin95
      @mxcollin95 Před 2 lety

      Well done man. 🤙

    • @numbzinger350
      @numbzinger350 Před rokem

      I couldn't agree more. I had no idea what damage a solid lockup could do. Bravo!

    • @thebrowns5337
      @thebrowns5337 Před měsícem

      ​@@roostin I don't think that's the only reason, and not totally valid because if the testers have a major following it's free advertising for the brands even if the 'tester' doesn't 100% love the product because the 'tester' will always want to seem happy and positive to an extent or people literally turn off (watch the missenden flyer - both he and Zack of Revzilla find lots of positives and then add the negatives as a side note, on bikes they like even saying no bike is perfect so I must find some negatives. In fact TMF happily says he doesn't care if manufacturers don't give him bikes to test because there are always some that will!).
      The bigger reason most testers won't go into detail like this is because they don't know! Some are clearly not mechanically minded at all, they won't think to look at the rubber dampers in the clutch housing, might not even know they are there as they just test bikes and hand them back and have their own serviced at a main dealer, probably for free.

  • @JeffWalker84
    @JeffWalker84  Před 4 lety +171

    Hey guys! I mis-spoke in this video when I said the Rekluse basket was one piece. The Rekluse basket is just like the Hinson and comes with the rubber dampeners which are replaceable, so that's a solid upgrade and I highly recommend it if you go that route! Also, I would like to point out that Rekluse offers 3 different clutch springs: silver (softest), gold (middle), and red (stiffest). I was using 3 red and 3 silver springs. Using 6 silver or a combination of silver and gold will result in a less aggressive clutch and can improve life-expectancy in the TorqDrive system. Thanks for reading!

    • @chipsnpeasifuplz
      @chipsnpeasifuplz Před 4 lety +1

      so in a nut shell a rekluse system is more catered for pro's like you where you're more likely to replace a clutch after a race meeting or every other. i've known of pro's killing clutches per day or even getting new plate between races in world champs.

    • @williamsiewert6822
      @williamsiewert6822 Před 4 lety +7

      Heads up, dampers, not dampeners. Great video!

    • @chipsnpeasifuplz
      @chipsnpeasifuplz Před 4 lety +1

      @@A1soldiersaint your biggest problem with an oe basket is they wont be as resistant to notching. You dont have to buy the meantioned clutches to have a good 1 there's plenty of great brand like mitaka.

    • @iwilldieforhim
      @iwilldieforhim Před 4 lety +1

      Jeff Walker I’m in the middle of this replacement now so I’m glad you clarified. Definitely does have the rubber pieces and isn’t one unit.

    • @geneparker168
      @geneparker168 Před 4 lety +2

      Not to mention when u said the the inner hub connects to counter shaft... THAT IS WRONG... inner hub sits on the input (lay shaft) . The front sprocket does go on the counter shaft... nice job with description of how it works tho...

  • @motoxguy7
    @motoxguy7 Před 4 lety +82

    I KNOW I’ve been riding longer then you’ve been alive and I’ve NEVER heard/seen a better explanation of how the clutch, as a system, works! After the tons of clutches that I’ve replaced, THANK GOD, I never had to explain “how all of it works”....until now! Next up...explain the damn intricacies of SUSPENSION!!! 👍 I even own the suspension Bible and still can’t explain it!

  • @4lifeAU
    @4lifeAU Před 4 lety +78

    Great job explaining how a clutch works! I would love to see more of this kind of stuff on the channel.

  • @biggiegtp
    @biggiegtp Před 4 lety +42

    Nice breakdown in layman’s terms. Please keep them coming.

  • @kylethomson5614
    @kylethomson5614 Před 4 lety +11

    This is currently the best example of how a motocross clutch works on the internet, I have never seen it explained to easily and well before, thanks Jeff

    • @West_Anderson
      @West_Anderson Před 4 lety

      if you think this is best explanation, you haven't looked very hard

  • @mikenimmick3920
    @mikenimmick3920 Před 4 lety +6

    JW explained in 10 minutes what I learned over 30 years...lol. EXCELLENT job. EXCELLENT, easy to follow video.

  • @nathan116roberts
    @nathan116roberts Před 4 lety +28

    Great break down! But yes like somebody else said do a triple clamp vid and break down the difference in offsets. Keep up the good work man

  • @dhkonrad
    @dhkonrad Před 4 lety +27

    Really good video, and definitely some good info. A couple things to note though for whatever it's worth:
    1) The amount of pad area on each fiber doesn't directly affect the grip of that fiber. It merely changes the pad pressure, which can affect the life of the fiber material. In general, lower pad pressure = greater pad life.
    2) The Rekluse has an option included in the TorqDrive kits to greatly reduce the clamping force, which would allow you to reduce the torque capacity down to the level of a Hinson or Stock if there is concerns about durability of the transmission, but with a much lighter lever pull than a stock clutch or Hinson.
    3) The Rekluse basket is not a one piece gear on the back, it is similar to the Hinson in that it has dampers, and the basket is assembled with allen head bolts allowing the dampers to be serviceable.
    4) There is some benefit to having the steel core thin fiber plates of the TorqDrive because they don't expand as much as the aluminum core fiber plates of the stock or Hinson.
    5) Starts aren't typically what kills transmissions and basket dampers, whoops and landing hard on the gas is what does it. But it is true that a clutch with more torque capacity will be harder on the basket dampers and transmissions in those situations.

  • @randallodom1320
    @randallodom1320 Před 4 lety

    OUTSTANDING Video, Jeff!!!!! I really appreciate the extra time you took to demonstrate the stock clutch system to the Hinson / Rekluse systems. It provided for a clear understanding, and helps with deciding which route to go with the style of riding that I do. Thank you!!

  • @tomcrnkovich1661
    @tomcrnkovich1661 Před 4 lety +1

    Easily one of the best videos you've done Jeff. Led me to comment which I dont typically do. I felt like a really well informed rider and this video was an eye opener and one I think every serious and/or passionate rider should watch. Really, really nice work.

  • @MsCas3
    @MsCas3 Před 4 lety +2

    That was super informational and a lot of stuff I didn't know or even think about. Great job!

  • @theKXgreen
    @theKXgreen Před 4 lety +2

    Nice job on the explanation of the 3 clutch systems and comparing their functions vs. performance. I think many readers got a clearer understanding from this video.

  • @jaimejones7473
    @jaimejones7473 Před 4 lety +2

    super informative and original content, never heard this explained this way before! was trying to decide between these two right now! more vids like this please! and more technique ones too please! Thanks

  • @joshba79
    @joshba79 Před 4 lety +1

    I've been riding for 25 year and have never truly understood the inner working of a motorcycle clutch. I do now. Thanks for taking the time to brake each function down and explain it in plain English. Looking for to more components like suspension & transmissions.

  • @markd2858
    @markd2858 Před 4 lety +3

    Great video, I'm a 50's vet rider, intermediate level, I have a 2013 CRF450R with the Rekluse 3.0 with over 70 hours and no issues, have a 2019 CRF450WE with the Rekluse Radius CX with 30 hours and no issues. These are both the "Auto" systems which I like. I would say I'm pretty easy on a clutch as I had over 50hrs on the stock 2013 clutch. Congratulations on the new team and best of luck this motocross season.

  • @chriswalent814
    @chriswalent814 Před 4 lety +1

    What a great educational video! Thank you for taking the time to share this with us!

  • @chaseharman6376
    @chaseharman6376 Před 4 lety +19

    Yea, I hear yuh... I know a guy, first hand, that didn't check if his rubber was intact and did some serious damage.

    • @kodyodell8223
      @kodyodell8223 Před 4 lety +6

      That's how you end up paying child support! Haha.

  • @5JSP55
    @5JSP55 Před 9 měsíci

    I just wanted to hop on here and say thanks for doing such an informative video and explaining these 2 systems in a clear and concise way anyone can understand. I've had several guys try to explain this but your video allowed me to understand them 100%. Wish there was other videos explaining installs and such as good as this. Thanks a ton.

  • @sobhi05
    @sobhi05 Před 2 měsíci

    I'm new to the motorcycle world at 50 (should've done it sooner!) and this is by far is the best video I have seen that explains clutch and the mechanics behind it. Kudos to you, young man and thanks for the information.

  • @terryferguson8897
    @terryferguson8897 Před 4 lety +8

    Barnett also makes very good clutch components, worth consideration, especially their clutch baskets and pressure plate with steel inserts in high wear areas.

  • @waprouty
    @waprouty Před 2 lety

    One of the best CZcams videos on dirt bikes I’ve ever seen! I have a masters degree in engineering and I learned more in a few minutes from your video than in weeks of most classes. Nice job!

  • @ericwinner3587
    @ericwinner3587 Před 3 lety

    Super informative and helpful in understanding how clutches work and how aftermarket clutch systems vary. Excellent job Jeff!!

  • @mikeyp9894
    @mikeyp9894 Před 10 měsíci

    Such a great and detailed video! Thank you Jeff!

  • @smidly7192
    @smidly7192 Před 4 lety +3

    That was a really good explanation of how the clutch works. Good job mang.

  • @dennismillus4581
    @dennismillus4581 Před 4 lety +2

    Woh, thanks for the heads up. God video. I just ordered my Rekluse Torque manual last week. I am no pro but, my bike is a 2010 Service Honda CR500af. So, I will be monitoring my Clutch more. Figures I see this video a week after I bought the Rekluse. Thanks Jeff Walker.

  • @yamaman6882
    @yamaman6882 Před 4 lety +2

    Great job on explaining how a clutch works and the differences between stock, Hinson and Rekluse systems.

  • @MrMotocross450
    @MrMotocross450 Před 4 lety

    Awesome explanation of each clutch system. Great video Jeff.

  • @zayuh2313
    @zayuh2313 Před 4 lety +1

    Bro. Talk about research and giving an AMAZING detailed review. Amazing man forreal. Thank you bro I really really appreciate it.

  • @mudpro200
    @mudpro200 Před 4 lety +4

    Nice vid! Note: To those that might not know but different brand motorcycles have different rubber damping systems. Some motorcycle brands dampers are easer to maintain and replace than others.

  • @416moto
    @416moto Před 4 lety

    That was in-depth and very helpful.👍🏼 thanks man.

  • @griffithracingteam2412

    Awesome video brother. I thoroughly enjoy these informational videos like this

  • @Wdbjr12345
    @Wdbjr12345 Před 4 lety +2

    I have a rekluse i love it. I don’t beat on the clutch but i definitely slip it out of the hole a lot more. It’s got over 20 hours on it now and it still is good. I never even thought about the rubber parts but when i do my side cover I’ll replace it and see how they have held up. Definitely a light feeling unit for sure. Great video.

  • @maverick2242
    @maverick2242 Před 4 lety

    Excellent review Jeff, great breakdown, cheers.

  • @Fantisan95
    @Fantisan95 Před 4 lety +17

    That “basic” overview of how a clutch works just solved a 20 year mystery for me. Cheers

  • @jonathanstead880
    @jonathanstead880 Před 4 lety

    Great stuff Jeff , the tech report is really useful ,much appreciated thanks

  • @Luke-pt3ew
    @Luke-pt3ew Před 4 lety

    Great video mate I’ve just purchased 2020 CRF450 this info is gold thank you !

  • @realcharlebois8719
    @realcharlebois8719 Před 4 lety +1

    I understood how a clutch worked before the video, but was bouncing between these two clutch systems to buy for this season. This video was so helpful. THANKS JEFF!! keep up the great work.

  • @mikeschoen2756
    @mikeschoen2756 Před 4 lety

    Great job explaining the differences, very helpful

  • @biophillie
    @biophillie Před rokem

    Outstanding video. Very informative. - Thanks!

  • @Pontus95x
    @Pontus95x Před 4 lety +2

    man you should totaly do more of these! for different parts and maybe other stuffs aswell?! rad video, wery well explained!

  • @jimmyjoe1st
    @jimmyjoe1st Před 4 lety

    Outstanding video, man! Great way of making anyone understand it all! Got yourself a new subscriber! Keep it up!

  • @kkiely66
    @kkiely66 Před 4 lety

    Great knowledge and well explained. Thanks for sharing. Keep ripping, and making awesome videos.

  • @sanjuaneropr
    @sanjuaneropr Před 4 lety

    Lots of good information in this video and learned something new. Thank you. Keep up the good work.

  • @shadowstealer100
    @shadowstealer100 Před 4 lety

    Super helpful! Great info and easy to understand

  • @JonIler
    @JonIler Před 3 lety +1

    Best explanation of a motorcycle clutch I've ever seen. Rad comparison, very helpful. I'm definitely going Hinson!

  • @AntiStressKit
    @AntiStressKit Před 2 měsíci

    Thank you for this excellent comparison and advice!

  • @linusnilsson2734
    @linusnilsson2734 Před 4 lety +1

    Great informative video! Didn´t know it was such a different in systems between the two :)

  • @tkitchens91
    @tkitchens91 Před 2 lety

    This was thorough. Awesome video.

  • @iangillies3937
    @iangillies3937 Před 3 lety

    This video is quality bro many questions answered 👏

  • @evanjohnson5480
    @evanjohnson5480 Před 4 lety

    Great information without a cheesy sales pitch. You give me hope in humanity Jeff.

  • @lorin03hansen
    @lorin03hansen Před 4 lety

    This video wasn’t made to explain clutches yet you gave the best explanation I’ve seen of them👏🏻

  • @Waylon151
    @Waylon151 Před 4 lety

    I don’t comment on any videos but this was just too dang informative and explained so well I had to. Great video, keep up the great work

  • @djcombs5553
    @djcombs5553 Před 4 lety

    We’ll explained! Thats college material dude keep the vids coming , this is awesome! Thank you

  • @jedielder7970
    @jedielder7970 Před 4 lety

    Fantastic... I learned a lot from this video of yours. Thanks!

  • @mdlynch86
    @mdlynch86 Před 4 lety +8

    Great video! Always wondered about the difference between the two and stock.
    How about doing a video on triple clamps and how the offsets make a difference?

  • @Dirt_Bike_Dave
    @Dirt_Bike_Dave Před 4 lety

    Great Video and explanation of the working of a clutch system.

  • @spacejammininc
    @spacejammininc Před 3 lety

    On point vid 👌 much appreciated bro!

  • @rickmcgregor5355
    @rickmcgregor5355 Před 2 lety

    Great review! Very helpful thanks!

  • @vintageludwig
    @vintageludwig Před 2 lety

    I will say, regardless of the topic the video itself, you just gave me the most comprehensive understanding of the clutch system in general. Thank you.

  • @hotrod_the_stuntman
    @hotrod_the_stuntman Před 2 lety

    Incredibly informative, glad I watched this

  • @michaelbiernat6826
    @michaelbiernat6826 Před 2 lety

    Great video way to make my clutch selection much easier was completely undecided until i found your video helpful

  • @lbaraby
    @lbaraby Před 2 lety

    Best explanation of how a motorcycle clutch actually works I've seen yet. Great job!

  • @Decepticon313
    @Decepticon313 Před 3 lety

    Teaching at the most organic level, good job Jeff.

  • @jeffballa4059
    @jeffballa4059 Před 4 lety +2

    Great break down on clutch operation, but sorry, I'm a stickler for misinformation, not entirely correct on basket, hub relation. Outer basket is only "connected" to the crank(kick starter if equipped, and water pump). Inner hub drives the primary shaft spinning the first set of gears. The second set of gears meshed with the first are connected to the counter shaft/sprocket and drive the rear wheel. I know I'm being a nit-picker, but let's inform accurately. Great channel and hope to see you at MX Express this spring/summer!

  • @darrenmcbride697
    @darrenmcbride697 Před 4 lety

    Thanks for all the information, very useful.

  • @fs4h
    @fs4h Před 4 lety

    Nice video Jeff! Thanks for the info 🤘🏻

  • @CWalsh-pj9cp
    @CWalsh-pj9cp Před 4 lety

    Great explanation Jeff now I learned something new! Thanks man

  • @lgj1962
    @lgj1962 Před 4 lety +43

    The design intent of the increased friction surface in the Rekluse system is to afford lighter spring pressure (aka lighter lever pull force) for an equal amount of torque transfer through the clutch...so Rekluse uses lighter springs, not heavier. The deterioration of the basket dampers you showed was from thermal abuse, not physical abuse by dumping the clutch ...from my experience (P.Eng in failure analysis). Not saying you were abusively over heating your clutch through the lever, but most likely putting higher loads on the clutch because of its inherrent ability to handle the tongue in higher gears...which generates lots of slip and friction heat....these clutches can be ridden in higher gears because of their design, but doesn’t mean they should be. Yeah, I am a little bias toward Rekluse but hope this insight can clear up some of the confusing details given in the video...I agree with all other commenters that this video is a good start in putting clutch engineering in layman’s terms.

    • @mareksumguy1887
      @mareksumguy1887 Před 4 lety +2

      Larry J yeah that’s what I was thinking; it looks like the elastomeric material was overheated and thus hardened/embrittled.... shattering like hard plastic.

    • @Eldon95084
      @Eldon95084 Před 4 lety

      This is not an auto clutch which allows riding in the wrong gear. This is a standard manual clutch with better lockup allowing cooler runing temps based on lest friction. The rubbers look hammered not fried.

    • @lgj1962
      @lgj1962 Před 4 lety +5

      Eldon95084 You are correct, the auto-clutches due seem to encourage riding in the wrong gear with resulting more slip (and heat). However, any clutch slips and produces more heat when ridden a gear too high or lower revs...it’s just the nature of all clutches. Also, I agree it’s impossible to tell from a photograph about the failure mode of the cushions (not dampers or dampeners....they are just shock load cushions). Could be hammered or heat...or both. I’ve had experience with pro riders here in Canada where the failure mode was almost 100% heat related and looked fairly similar to the pic here. So it’s just an educated guess 😀

    • @lgj1962
      @lgj1962 Před 4 lety +4

      Cooler running temperatures are the result of the increased friction surfaces in the Rekluse design...I.e. more friction reduces slip and heat. Other systems have less friction and thus more heat.

    • @lgj1962
      @lgj1962 Před 3 lety +1

      @@kellybrown6988 Rekluse offers I think 3 different spring rates for their springs. You should contact their customer support for exact numbers. I am not affiliated with the company at all.

  • @gavinmoon2399
    @gavinmoon2399 Před 3 lety

    Best video thank you! Such great information! The way you explained it was awesome

  • @twistedfilms9712
    @twistedfilms9712 Před 4 lety +1

    Thank's for this. I have decided to go with Hinson on my 18 KX450F! liked and subbed

  • @jessewark9185
    @jessewark9185 Před 3 lety

    Great , useful information!
    Thanks!!

  • @horvathpeti8117
    @horvathpeti8117 Před 4 lety

    This was too good! You are the best!

  • @Heckman_Productions
    @Heckman_Productions Před 4 lety

    Very very informative! Learned a lot

  • @Tremorx00
    @Tremorx00 Před 4 lety

    Great job explaining the differences!

  • @cadefoster1924
    @cadefoster1924 Před 4 lety

    This video is awesome. Please do more of these!

  • @markmorgan5892
    @markmorgan5892 Před 4 lety

    Very very good and informative video!! I learned a lot in this video! Wouldn’t mind seeing more videos like this big man! Like the difference triple clamps make and how the offsets work!! Thanks man, ur killing it and keep up the amazing work and keep these amazing videos coming and have u started riding with FXR_chaparral_honda team yet that Michael lindsay asked u to come be on?!! And ur racing the outdoor series with this team along with Jerry Robin right?!

  • @brockcampbell1302
    @brockcampbell1302 Před rokem

    Great job explaining everything top notch thanks

  • @psjlacyhilton
    @psjlacyhilton Před rokem

    Well informed video, thank you!

  • @TristanLaneMX
    @TristanLaneMX Před 4 lety +4

    Good stuff Jeff! Never tried a Hinson but the Rekluse system is next level as far as performance to the rear wheel.

  • @erichildreth7562
    @erichildreth7562 Před 3 lety

    I am a self taught mechanic and I do all of my own motor and suspension work including revalving suspension using Race Rech equipment, your description of how a clutch works is spot on!! Very nice explanation and thank you for taking the time to explain it!! The Hinson system works best for this guy. :)

  • @andreasstefanou5898
    @andreasstefanou5898 Před 4 lety

    Awesome video Jeff.
    Good job
    Bravo 👍👍👍

  • @ridinwithrogers1908
    @ridinwithrogers1908 Před 4 lety

    Great video! Super informative

  • @noahzumbo1555
    @noahzumbo1555 Před 3 lety

    Hey man thanks a lot for the information I am looking at a reklus torque drive and a Hinson clutch basket, answered all my questions.

  • @jacobdallas7396
    @jacobdallas7396 Před 2 lety

    Very helpful, thanks!

  • @dunementat2191
    @dunementat2191 Před 4 lety

    Excellent explanation, subscribed.

  • @coreybailey2587
    @coreybailey2587 Před rokem

    Very informative. Thanks bro

  • @dannygrinos7960
    @dannygrinos7960 Před 4 lety

    Amazing review. Extremely well explained

  • @BroughtonVisuals
    @BroughtonVisuals Před 4 lety

    Super helpful loved the vid!

  • @edwolfe1397
    @edwolfe1397 Před 3 lety

    Great info made understandable and useful. Thanks for sharing.

  • @ericc90
    @ericc90 Před 4 lety

    Gosh I've never watched a more thorough video and I never lost interest!

  • @MXUnion
    @MXUnion Před 4 lety

    It’s always good to your videos! 👍

  • @caseyjones466
    @caseyjones466 Před 2 měsíci

    Very well explained. Thank you.

  • @gmeyer6657
    @gmeyer6657 Před 4 lety

    Great video,Jeff!

  • @roadie165
    @roadie165 Před 4 lety

    Great video, very well explained!!!!!

  • @devincook3278
    @devincook3278 Před 3 lety

    Well that was extremely helpful. Thanks!

  • @kurtdavidson9808
    @kurtdavidson9808 Před 3 lety

    After Purchasing A2021 YZ 125 I have been watching tons of videos on clutch and top end rebuilds. Just for fun I have been thinking about upgrading my clutch system and could not come to a conclusion as to what set up I was going to use. This video was more informative than any videos I have seen yet. And honestly I think I have seen just about all of them. I did subscribe to your CZcams channel and I will absolutely be looking for more.keep up the good videos and I hope you can do one on pistons and top ends as well as performance pipes.

  • @irishflyer6377
    @irishflyer6377 Před 2 lety

    Great video, technical information and so well presented.

  • @ODST993
    @ODST993 Před 4 lety +1

    This helps me out with my 2002 Honda cr125. I'm upgrading the fibers, plates and springs to Hinson with OEM basket.
    Then my dad is wanting to put a Rekluse system into his 2005 RM250. Some of the stuff will help.