The results are in. After a couple days, we've tallied up the votes so far and with 42% of the vote, the Savage 110 wins. The Fierce edge fell short by just 3 votes. Here's the breakdown. Savage 110 Ultralight - 42% Fierce Edge - 41% Browning X Bolt Hell's Canyon Speed - 11% Kimber Mountain Ascent - 6% So since the Savage and the Fierce are so close, we're going to take them both. Jim's hunting with the Fierce Edge in 7mm Rem Mag and Ricky's hunting with the Savage 110 Ultralight in 270. Hopefully we'll get to see how they both perform!
You know fellas you do some great reviews and when you're trying to shave 2lbs off a rifle but one of you could shave 80-100lbs somewhere else and the other 30-40lbs. Are you really sure you have you're priorities straight?
Still a great pump gun even though it is mostly plastic, czcams.com/users/postUgkxh4su9YgU1tWmjikirWcKJbjsFLEU62Bc but with care it will last a long time. It would be neat if Crosman would make a commemorative version of this with real wood stock, but of course it would weigh more and cost more, but hey, it would be cool. The included scope is more of a toy, but it does work for backyard plinking. I prefer to use pellets for greater accuracy, but BBs are just as good for plinking. This is not a Red Ryder folks; fully pumped it is 3 times the power of a Red Ryder and can be dangerous if not handled properly. Be safe out there.
I take my Savage 110, 30-06 with me into the backcountry every year. Leopold scope 7 lbs with the cartridges. Just carry it in hand 90% of the time.. I'm 67 years old..still solo hunting.
7 mm all day long! Options are unbelievable for ammo with this caliber! A ton of game taken with this caliber. Flat shooting with great down range killing power!
I've hunted elk for 50+ years. Best elk rifle is the Kimber mountain ascent .308 with a good scope. If this isn't enough rifle then you need to improve your skills.
I have a Savage 110 chambered in 243 and I love it. I can literally hit nickels at 100 yards with it. It’s incredibly accurate. My dad bought it for me when I was a kid for my first very own deer rifle and I still hunt whitetails with it to this day. It has been a damn good rifle.
Hi Guys...I remember Jack O'Connor and Finn Aagaard telling us that foot pounds do not kill animals. Penetration and tissue destruction is what kills animals and of course proper bullet placement. O'Connor was experienced and Aagaard was a man who had more experience than most people could ever imagine. Aagaard was a African professional of vast experience who stressed bullet placement. Both men told us that bullet placement was 90% of killing power. I killed a African Eland at over 350 yads weighing close to 2500 lbs with a .270 Winchester and a 140 g4 bullet. Down in 20 or so yards. i do not believe that foot pounds is a big deal...just like O'Connor and Aagaard.
Fierce in 7MM mag is my first choice with the Savage in 2nd place. To be totally honest I use a converted Springfield in 30-06 as my main deer/elk rifle. It’s It’s about 90 years old and has never let me down. I wish I could afford one of the sexy rifles but probably will never happen.
Nice these new guns make it way to easy . I put my 300 in the safe and dug out a 303 british ross rifle its way more challenging iron sights too model 1910 .
I am a Louisiana flat lander that uses a Ruger American. 308 to hunt elk in Colorado every year. On my ten plus mile daily hikes the weight of that gun hasn't ever been an issue.
Savage + Leupold is what I would put my money on. Savage accuracy and Leupold durability and twilight light management are the key futures for me. And for what it’s worth they are both US made, which is not the case for all other scopes and some of the rifles.
The FIERCE 7 Mag is my choice. They guarantee 1/2 MOA, which is impressive. 2nd, the 7 Mag will putm' down. The quality of the Fierce Rifle is unsurpassed.
Everyone loves their 7mm mag. but in my long life I have seen more elk walk away after being shot with a 7mm mag. than any other rifle. As far as I can tell the high velocity of the bullet and the fact you can't get heavy bullets creates shallow wounds. Hopefully some of the newer bullets will hold together better than the ones I've seen in the past.
Your understanding of MOA is incorrect. 1 MOA at 400 yards is a 4" diameter circle, not 4" radius. Your example at 6:40 would be correct at 800 yards, not 400 yards. A 1 MOA capable rifle would shoot a 4" group at 400 yards, 1/2 MOA would be 2" at 400 yards. I absolutely agree with your statement that 1 MOA generally won't cut it for me either and I want my rifles to shoot 1/2 MOA or better, but a 1 MOA rifle will not shoot an 8" group at 400 yards.
Your understanding of their explanation is incorrect. They said if a kill zone is 8" in total, and you aim for the dead center you are now 4" from the top or the bottom. If you have a 1 MOA gun, it would therefore be possible that you hit at the extreme end of that 4" range either high or low, which would leave you on the verge of missing the vitals altogether (and that doesn't take into account human error, rest, environmental conditions, stability of the rest, etc.). They never said that 1 MOA would be an 8 inch group, just that if you are aiming at the center point of an 8 inch kill zone 1 MOA accuracy could put you up to 4 inches away, which again would potentially put you on a much less ethical and/or effective shot. Looking at it as a radius in this case is absolutely correct. Also, there is no need to mention a group as all that is needed here is the maximum error potential of ONE shot to make the point. If you have shot enough then you have seen a flyer before, and I would imagine that you have also seen some guns that have a significant shift between a cold bore shot and a 2nd shot. Their explanation of the scenario was correct and not that hard to replicate.
@@princessem6423 Their explanation, and your understanding of their explanation by your own words, is incorrect. 1 MOA at 400 yards is a circle with a diameter of 4 inches not a radius of 4 inches. So one shot in a 1 MOA gun at 400 yards will land somewhere within a 4 inch diameter circle, not a 4 inch radius circle. If the vital zone is 8 inches in diameter on an animal then a 1 MOA gun will hit within a 4 inch circle within that 8 inch vital zone. Yes there are other environmental factors, stability of the rifle, and cold bore shift is a thing, which is why I agree that generally a 1 MOA gun is not acceptable for me. I want all my rifles to shoot 1/2 MOA or better so that I have additional fudge factor for those other potential issues. But again with a 1/2 MOA gun at 400 yards the rifle will put a bullet somewhere within a 2 inch diameter circle, not a 2 inch radius circle. Ryan Cleckner has a really good video on explaining MOA and what it means at different yardages if you have time to go and watch it.
@@trevorschuetz1530 You are assuming everything from center. There are infinite 4 inch circles within that 8-inch kill zone. You are assuming a perfect 2 inch radius around the middle of the target. Your understanding of geometry is lacking here, not your understanding of the concept of MOA. As I said before, from the dead center of the 8 inch kill zone, you would only be FOUR INCHES from the outer rim of the kill zone in any direction. That is MOA margin of ERROR. You could have a gun that consistently shoots high... If you are aiming dead center of said 8 inch target then you would indeed have a FOUR INCH group, yet it would be skewed towards the top HALF of the kill zone. Someone else could have a gun that shoots consistently low... then they would have a group that would be skewed towards the extreme bottom of the kill zone. Would they both be MOA groups? Yes. Would they both be pushing the edges of the kill zone? Yes. This isn't rocket science dude. It is really basic understanding. TLDR: You have a 2 MOA circle. From the center of that circle there is a 1 MOA margin of error in every direction. 1 MOA gun could throw out some suspect shots even when not accounting for human error. It was never argued (in my statement nor the video) that 8 inches at 400 is 1 MOA, you just have low reading comprehension.
@@princessem6423 MOA is a circle. There is no other geometry other than a circle when talking about group size, that's how it is measured, all in circles. If you have a 1 MOA group at 100 yards, it's 1" from center of one shot to center of the furthest away shot within a circle. You don't have a trapezoid group size. The group may look like a trapezoid, but the group size will always be a circle. If you have a gun that shoots consistently high or low then it needs to be re-zeroed. No rifle should ever be shooting high or low of aim point if it has been zeroed properly and you have trued your ballistic data at range. I'm not saying it is rocket science and I do understand how it all works. I just don't want less experienced people watching this to be concerned that a sub 1 MOA gun is going to miss a deer vitals at 400 yards, which the video makes out to be.
I live, hunt and handload in interior Alaska. I recently bought a stainless Tikka T3 lite in .270 Win to complement my 1976 Remington 700 in .270 Win. I was impressed with load development...in one afternoon I got a load shooting IMR4350 and Barnes 130gr TTSX with subMOA groups at 100 and 200 yards and low muzzle velocity variation (standard deviation 4.6 fps). I like that Optiloc system of Sako and Tikka where I mounted the Warnes rings directly to the reciever dovetail with the recoil lug built directly in the ring. That made fro an extremely light all-weather mountain rifle that is a tack driver with hand loads.
I’ve harvested 4 elk all with my 270 Win and never had one run past 40 yards and they were shot from 40 yards all the way out to 462 yards and never had a problem with the 130gr bullets and would feel comfortable out to 500 yards
@@gavinmorrison7788 , great! Thank you. Did it perform well at the extended range? I'm going to try the new Hornady 130g CX Outfitter ammo this season. I've used the 145gEldx for 6 bucks so far with great success. No elk with that load yet. I archery hunt mostly for elk right now. Shot most of my bulls with a 7mm mag and 270wsm.
@@krisshepherd740 at extended ranges such as 400 yards the bullet would leave a pretty good size wound channel and exit and, from what I’ve experienced they only run about 35 to 40 yards
For me I don't have to worry about what to take hunting season 2021. I just bought a Browning A Bolt 3 in 6.5 creedmoor. So let's hope it does the job.
I have elk hunted from the age of 14 and am now 68. I sold all my magnum rifles because they aren't needed. I have kept three rifles that fit every situation I need them for. .275 Rigby, 30-06, and .35 Whelen. I have other rifles but these three do everything I need. The two largest elk I ever killed, (both 6x6 in 300 range) were shot with the .275 Rigby. The 35 Whelen is just a little bit higher on the ballistic scale than a 9.3x62 which is close to a .338 mag. and the 30-06 is a Weatherby Vanguard that I shot my last elk with at 236 yards and I aimed for and shot him in the back of the head. If a man can not get within 400 yards or less he cannot call himself a hunter he is just a shooter. Oh yes, the 30-06 has a dangerous game scope on it, 1.5-5 power. Watch Gunblue490 and learn that when it comes to scopes less is more.
You can use a SFP reticle for range estimation and windage/holdover, regardless of magnification level, with a little math. If you're zoomed in a third of the maximum magnification, treat the hashes as triple what they would be. At half maximum zoom, they're double ( inverse relation between zoom percentage and hash value ). A four power magnification range ( 3-12, 4-16, etc ) makes it easy. It may not be quite as quick or precise as a FFP, but it's doable. Also, I'd cheat on the voting. I say the 110, but get one chambered in 280 AI. And if you don't want the weight of the 25x scope, anything 16x or above would be almost as good.
I know this is well after the voting, but I just wanted to say that I love the .280 Rem/A.I. cartridges. It can perform very near to 7mm RM, in a standard length action. It also, just deserves more love than it gets.
I use to go out coyote hunting with the 30-06 700 to 800 yards and beyond and bag them more .could you kill an elk yes maybe not through the shoulder..longivaty the ought 6 the reason ammo is hard to get.Theirs twice as many 30-06 sixes sold as any other rifle always has you don't need magnum power to reach out to 700 to 800 yards with an ought 6.theirs enough data on them to reach even 6 to eight inch targets at beyond 800 yards easily.with the long barrel life and a little practice over larger more powerful rifles and good scope it could get the job done.and their is a lot of hunters that wouldn't hesitate to take shots at 600 or beyond with a 160 to 180 grain bullets for elk or moose with the 30-06.
Might have been 3500 yards or better I just said 2500 but I know for a fact it was at least 2500 but 3500 yards with the 30-06 sounds more appropriate with 180 grain bullets.it put a half inch crater in the 1inch steel plate.
Even a 308 will reach well over 1000 yards and hit the target.on a windy day with a lot of practice.snipers do this all the time at phenomenal ranges beyond way beyond 1000 yards on man sized targets because their properly trained and practice alot.know what the rifle you have can do.
I would take a tikka t3 super light with a carbon stock in 7mm mag over any of the above. Super accurate.. light and affordable. Also hard to beat them opti lock rings.
@@kalindanley2843 here in New Zealand tikka t3s are the biggest seller. There popular for a reason. The T3 super light weighs less than an xbolt and shoots just as well if not better. So you sit down.
Most people don’t use a range finder and are terrible at judging distance by eye, so I’m sure the guy who told you that actually shoots much under 400 on average
@@shaneallen415 do you think I could take an elk with a 6.5 I know you obvious can but how ethical would it be ...... I have the t3x lite with a bunch of aftermarket dumped into it it’s accurate as hell just don’t know if the power would be enough
I own the Hunter version in 280AI. 1/2 MOA no problem. Only paid around $800 a few years back. I like his videos but whenever I see him throw the Kimber in the mix I cringe because he pretty much finds a reason to trash it. I've owned 3 savages, 2 are 110's. They don't even come close to the Kimber's accuracy and feeding reliability. Even with the Savage's heavier barrels. Not sure if he even pointed out the Kimber's control round feed. A big plus in my book.
I wanna like savage but they need to fix their mags I’ve had a mag break while at the range after the mag fell from table height and turned my 243 into a single shot
I have two Browning X-Bolts and one Savage 110. One in 300 Win Mag while other is 308 Win Mag. My Savage 110 is in .223 Rem and I wouldn't change what I have for the world. To each his/ her own!
I just got a Tikka Tx3 light 30- 06 due to your channel. I am new to rifles, but not hunting. Here is where everyone goes awe. I am from NJ. You can only hunt with shotguns in NJ, therefore I plan to hunt in PA with the rifle. Oddly enough I got the 30 - 06 due to the availability of the ammo. I have gotten different brands of ammo, but I need to settle on one brand as I sight in the rifle. I almost got the Savage Ultralight, therefore, I want to see the Savage on the Elk hunt.
Fierce 7mm Rem Mag, excellent variety in bullets, hits like a train, ballistics are amazing. Can easily go out to 600,700,800 yards. Fierce gun is incredibly accurate, excellent barrel, Can’t go past it. It be my choice.
I have 2 firearms chambered in .30-'06. I have one load that delivers sub MOA accuracy in both guns. Capable on Elk out to 400 yards. I would not feel undrgunned with either rifle.
I recall a gun mag article by Craig Boddington who, for years, questioned the 270 until a lawyer asked him had he ever shot an elk with a 270. He wrote that on a hunt following that challenge he shot an elk with a handloaded 270 using a 150gr Nosler Partition and buckled a 6pt bull elk at 400 yds. The point being opinions do not stack up to real life field experience.
My Vote - Savage 110 Ultralight. 270 Win at 150gr Hornady Interbond, / Nosler Accubond @ 2800fps muzzle = 1,500lbs energy @ 500yds with low recoil. Optics: Leupold 3-9x40 or a VX6 2-12x42mm CDS. 9x or 12x magnification is plenty for big game. Elk are big animals. You would have to see how those 150gr pills group. My 270 Win loves them.
Yup, Savage 110/270 If you're calling Elk you can get them to come in pretty close ( Example, Bow hunters ) If you have a Range finder you can get within 300/350 yards and put a quality bullet ( Accubond/Partition/Barnes ) through the lungs... Although the 30-06 would have been my first choice if you had ammo...
@@robertboyd3863 Yup, They may have to spot & stalk early morning, late evening. My favorite method. Find a good vantage point overlooking quality habitat and be there at first light..
I have to agree 100% with your order & selection. I was feeling bad about leaning toward the Fierce because of weight but it has been my pick all along. Close 2nd is the Savage but would rather see it in a 280 AI or 30/06. I prefer the 7mm Rem Mag as a whole. I have had 2 over the years & will be getting another in the next few months or so. We really have enjoyed this series as well as your others. Lord bless you young men. You have our prayers for safety and success on your hunt(s).
Honest to God you blokes are better than 99% percent of the CZcams gun community love your videos and can't wait to see the channel grow love the work boys keep it up👍
My choice is a 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro -> CARBON FIBER STOCK, stainless barrel and action, light fluted barrel, bolt and bolt handle, burnt bronze Cerakote on all metal parts & Talley scope rings. SCOPE->Bushnell LRTS 4.5 - 18 x 44 w/illuminated G3 reticle.
I have the savage and the kimber The kimber is a nicer gun. The savage is good except for the bold carrier. Mad play= bad tolerances. Feels like sand when you run the bolt. For the trigger pull on the kimber I disagree with them= it’s very crisp
No 30-06 ammo, really. Hell I’ll send you the ammo. The Browning X-Bolt is the best rifle in your bunch and I believe it’s the 06. When I used to rifle hunt I shot a Winchester Model 70 06 and then a Browning BAR in Idaho above North Fork in the Bitteroot . Have been hunting archery for 20 years now. I just whistle here kitty, kitty and they come in. Killed last bull at 60 yards .
You said it, they're all capable of taking Elk. If you don't handload, you're missing the boat! The 30-06 Springfield is struck because you can't find ammunition? I've got a 280 Remington Mountain Rifle. The shelves are full of Creedmoor calibers ammunition but not much else. But the 280 Ackley Improved is good! But you can't find 30-06 Springfield Ammunition but you can find the 280 Ackley Improved? Sounds funny to me! As far as scope choices go, there's Grizzly bears up there, try and find a Grizzly Bear's head at 10 yards with 5x or 25x!
Fierce. As was said, if you have the highest quality gun why take a lesser quality. The savage is a fine gun. If that’s what you can afford it’ll kill. But you have the best gun setting on the table. With one of the finest scopes on the table. Not to mention it’s 7 mag. One of the best all purpose killing calibers to this day. FIERCE
You said it, they're all capable of taking Elk. If you don't handload, you're missing the boat! The 30-06 Springfield is struck because you can't find ammunition? I've got a 280 Remington Mountain Rifle. The shelves are full of Creedmoor calibers ammunition but not much else. But the 280 Ackley Improved is good! But you can't find 30-06 Springfield Ammunition but you can find the 280 Ackley Improved? Sounds funny to me!
@@rw1377 I have always shot a 7mag and have been noticing the same thing. I was talking to a guy and he said he was shooting a 162 eldx at 3100 fps with rl 26. Im only getting 3050 out of my 7mag with h1000. And reloading with that belt is a pain after 4 reloads. Might have to try one of those ackleys.
Buy a Savage Model 110 Lightweight Storm in 308 and other calibers for less than $800. It’s the lightest gun on the market at 5.8# and super accurate. If you’re gonna be humping the mountains for deer, elk or sheep you will be glad you bought one!
My vote goes for the Savage 110 UL. Although, I'd prefer a .308 Tikka T3x SL for it's 24in barrel, lightweight design, and amazing trigger. To comment on your statements at 6:00. . .shooting fundamentals, in my mind, will play a more decisive role in the inherent "accuracy" of your groups. Misquoting Ryan Cleckner here but if your rifle can consistently group 1.0-1.5 MOA, the shooter will generally be responsible for a larger margin of error than the inherent accuracy of the rifle. That's not to say that you shouldn't pick the more accurate firearm but I just want to call attention to the numerous factors that go into making consistent, accurate shots. Focusing on solely on the bench/prone accuracy of a rifle can be misleading.
I own a Tikka T3x in 7 mm mag. It’s a tack driver out to 800 yds. I have zero intention of taking game at 800 yards, but man is it fun to stretch that out.
Yep me too. When the acorn president was elected I bought enough components to last the rest of my life for some of my firearms and 30-06 was one of them. It's a no brainer.
I’m an elk guide in Colorado where elk are tough beasts! We don’t want any of our hunters taking any of these calibers out, we basically like 300 win mag and up! Too many times we have looked for wounded animals with 270, 308, 7 mag especially. We start every group with asking weapon and grainage of bullet. We as guides feel much more confident when hunters have a 300 or 338! Makes our job way more easy! Plus, we shooting bout 300+ yds, not many 270’s gonna drop something past that unless it’s hit in perfect spot
That because people Hunt long range with calibers ment for Medium range. Long range hunting =more wounded game. You dont see much long range hunting in my country because you can loose your right to own a rifle if the authority finds out you made a bad descission based on distace, calibers, shoot place ment etc which end with a wounded game. Its also a law that if a shoot leaves a wounded animal. You have to stop the Hunt and Get a lisenced tracking dog and handler to help locate the animal.
@@radagastthefool6661 then why they showing a deal on guns that can’t kill an elk as easily? Guess not much discussion if they put a 300 in there, it’d blow those away! All they doing is promoting unethical elk hunting guns!
I realize I’m a year late, but as I have a 110 Ultralight, I agree with the contention that you’ve missed the point by putting that scope on that rifle. I put a 3-15x scope that weighs 13 ounces on mine. Fully loaded with scope, mount, rings and sling mine is well under 7 lbs.
But they were all of them deceived, for another rifle was made. Deep in the land of Mordor, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Sauron forged a master rifle, and into this rifle he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life. One Mossberg Patriot to rule them all.
30-06. However since you can’t find ammo for some reason. 35 Whelen is my pick. I’ve taken elk at 400 yards with no prob. It’s an amazing round and amazing versatility.
@@frankkee7185 they are real thumpers. But you can down load the ammo and take smaller game with out blowing them up and max load them for griz and drop them in one shot. My buddy makes the hand loads for me. When we go hunting I’ve normally got my 1911 in 460 Rowland and then my Rem 700 in 35 whelen with loads for light game and big game.
Fierce Edge 7mm Rem and Kimber 280AI are both tied in my book in terms of rifle actions and bullets up to Elk at longer ranges! I would not let the Kimbers group size be a factor not if cold bore shots are great and 2nd follow up is under MOA.
You need a 308 in there with a 165 accubond or 168 partition. Shoot anything at 50 yards out to 500 yards max and you are good to go. Accurate, low recoil, good sectional density and lots of ammo to choose from. It’s the sweet spot for big game hunting
The results are in. After a couple days, we've tallied up the votes so far and with 42% of the vote, the Savage 110 wins. The Fierce edge fell short by just 3 votes. Here's the breakdown.
Savage 110 Ultralight - 42%
Fierce Edge - 41%
Browning X Bolt Hell's Canyon Speed - 11%
Kimber Mountain Ascent - 6%
So since the Savage and the Fierce are so close, we're going to take them both. Jim's hunting with the Fierce Edge in 7mm Rem Mag and Ricky's hunting with the Savage 110 Ultralight in 270. Hopefully we'll get to see how they both perform!
How many miles is the hike
Pls update us about how you liked them on the field
You know fellas you do some great reviews and when you're trying to shave 2lbs off a rifle but one of you could shave 80-100lbs somewhere else and the other 30-40lbs. Are you really sure you have you're priorities straight?
As a former big guy I can tell you that ultralight equipment and hiking gear benefits everyone of all shapes and sizes
@@donh1572 "A former big guy"? What do you mean by "big guy"?
Still a great pump gun even though it is mostly plastic, czcams.com/users/postUgkxh4su9YgU1tWmjikirWcKJbjsFLEU62Bc but with care it will last a long time. It would be neat if Crosman would make a commemorative version of this with real wood stock, but of course it would weigh more and cost more, but hey, it would be cool. The included scope is more of a toy, but it does work for backyard plinking. I prefer to use pellets for greater accuracy, but BBs are just as good for plinking. This is not a Red Ryder folks; fully pumped it is 3 times the power of a Red Ryder and can be dangerous if not handled properly. Be safe out there.
Would be cool to do an updated version of this since it’s been a couple of years
Agreed
Yep
Include weatherby backcountry
I take my Savage 110, 30-06 with me into the backcountry every year. Leopold scope 7 lbs with the cartridges. Just carry it in hand 90% of the time..
I'm 67 years old..still solo hunting.
You are a badass my friend.
Thanks for the motivation!
7 mm all day long! Options are unbelievable for ammo with this caliber! A ton of game taken with this caliber. Flat shooting with great down range killing power!
I'm not finding 7 mag ammo very often around me. Do you still see a lot somewhere?
sg ammo and lucky gunner ive been getting ammo on all ive looked for even weird calibers.@@terryhemmes6210
Taken many of elk & mule deer with my 30-06 with 200 gr boat tail soft points in New Mexico & Colorado.
30-06 all the way for me.
Why a 200 gr?
Because heavy for caliber bullets do really well at longer range compared to the smaller bullets....all else being equal.
Where do you get the ammo for it?
I've only ever shot 180gr
@@aaronziebarth8243 I only shoot my reloads
Even though I am a little late should have included a tikka in this comparison.
I have the Tikka 7mm. Best decision ever.
Agreed, T3X Superlite or similar could’ve been added to the mix. These guys are not ones to slight a Tikka, so I doubt it was intentional.
Fierce has caught my attention for a while now, 7mm mag- perfect. Leupold - great glass.
yes 7mm mag amazing cartridge
Best choice
The best one by far
7mm, yes. Leupold, no.
@@talisikid1618 why no on Leupold?
I've hunted elk for 50+ years. Best elk rifle is the Kimber mountain ascent .308 with a good scope. If this isn't enough rifle then you need to improve your skills.
I’d take the savage 110 rifle however If I could choose a chambering I’d pick either 7mm or 3006 out of the 4 chamberings you have.
I absolutely agree on 7mag or 3006. Seems like the 3006 has been forgotten at times. 165bthp is a great load. Just saying!!!
I like the savage but in 280AI and the Kimber in .270. I also just bought the savage 110 ultralight in 280 AI. I pick it up tomorrow!
That said, my pick would be 7mm Rem Mag
I have a Savage 110 chambered in 243 and I love it. I can literally hit nickels at 100 yards with it. It’s incredibly accurate. My dad bought it for me when I was a kid for my first very own deer rifle and I still hunt whitetails with it to this day. It has been a damn good rifle.
Hi Guys...I remember Jack O'Connor and Finn Aagaard telling us that foot pounds do not kill animals. Penetration and tissue destruction is what kills animals and of course proper bullet placement. O'Connor was experienced and Aagaard was a man who had more experience than most people could ever imagine. Aagaard was a African professional of vast experience who stressed bullet placement. Both men told us that bullet placement was 90% of killing power. I killed a African Eland at over 350 yads weighing close to 2500 lbs with a .270 Winchester and a 140 g4 bullet. Down in 20 or so yards. i do not believe that foot pounds is a big deal...just like O'Connor and Aagaard.
The 270 Winchester 150 grain Accubond Long Range has 1611 foot pounds of energy at 500 yards.
Yup if you use the right bullets, the #s are good with the 270.
I could only find the 140 grain and that makes it to 400 yards with 1554 ft lb. My model 70 loves it so that is good enough for me.
The eldx also gets to 500 with 1497
Great for short Range!!
Agree 270 # 1 out of the choices for several reasons
Fierce in 7MM mag is my first choice with the Savage in 2nd place. To be totally honest I use a converted Springfield in 30-06 as my main deer/elk rifle. It’s It’s about 90 years old and has never let me down. I wish I could afford one of the sexy rifles but probably will never happen.
Nice these new guns make it way to easy . I put my 300 in the safe and dug out a 303 british ross rifle its way more challenging iron sights too model 1910 .
I would have voted for the Kimber 280 Ackley Improved with that scope you had on it.
I just dropped a 6X6 bull elk at 235 yards with my Tikka T3 .308. My favorite
Fierce edge in 7 rem mag
Your right i love the 7mag in fierce
Fierce Fury 7mm mag hands down. Amazing gun and amazing caliber!
I am a Louisiana flat lander that uses a Ruger American. 308 to hunt elk in Colorado every year. On my ten plus mile daily hikes the weight of that gun hasn't ever been an issue.
280 AI all the way. Non belted, less recoil than 7mag, longer brass life, can use a shorter barrel. Great cartridge.
I'd take the fierce everyday of the week. Why take a lower quality gun if you've got a high quality gun that fits the same role?
deadgum right
Savage + Leupold is what I would put my money on. Savage accuracy and Leupold durability and twilight light management are the key futures for me. And for what it’s worth they are both US made, which is not the case for all other scopes and some of the rifles.
The FIERCE 7 Mag is my choice. They guarantee 1/2 MOA, which is impressive. 2nd, the 7 Mag will putm' down. The quality of the Fierce Rifle is unsurpassed.
Everyone loves their 7mm mag. but in my long life I have seen more elk walk away after being shot with a 7mm mag. than any other rifle. As far as I can tell the high velocity of the bullet and the fact you can't get heavy bullets creates shallow wounds. Hopefully some of the newer bullets will hold together better than the ones I've seen in the past.
Your understanding of MOA is incorrect. 1 MOA at 400 yards is a 4" diameter circle, not 4" radius. Your example at 6:40 would be correct at 800 yards, not 400 yards. A 1 MOA capable rifle would shoot a 4" group at 400 yards, 1/2 MOA would be 2" at 400 yards. I absolutely agree with your statement that 1 MOA generally won't cut it for me either and I want my rifles to shoot 1/2 MOA or better, but a 1 MOA rifle will not shoot an 8" group at 400 yards.
Correcto amondo brother these guys do there reviews and sometimes I get lost in there translation with correctness
Your understanding of their explanation is incorrect. They said if a kill zone is 8" in total, and you aim for the dead center you are now 4" from the top or the bottom. If you have a 1 MOA gun, it would therefore be possible that you hit at the extreme end of that 4" range either high or low, which would leave you on the verge of missing the vitals altogether (and that doesn't take into account human error, rest, environmental conditions, stability of the rest, etc.). They never said that 1 MOA would be an 8 inch group, just that if you are aiming at the center point of an 8 inch kill zone 1 MOA accuracy could put you up to 4 inches away, which again would potentially put you on a much less ethical and/or effective shot. Looking at it as a radius in this case is absolutely correct. Also, there is no need to mention a group as all that is needed here is the maximum error potential of ONE shot to make the point. If you have shot enough then you have seen a flyer before, and I would imagine that you have also seen some guns that have a significant shift between a cold bore shot and a 2nd shot. Their explanation of the scenario was correct and not that hard to replicate.
@@princessem6423 Their explanation, and your understanding of their explanation by your own words, is incorrect. 1 MOA at 400 yards is a circle with a diameter of 4 inches not a radius of 4 inches. So one shot in a 1 MOA gun at 400 yards will land somewhere within a 4 inch diameter circle, not a 4 inch radius circle. If the vital zone is 8 inches in diameter on an animal then a 1 MOA gun will hit within a 4 inch circle within that 8 inch vital zone. Yes there are other environmental factors, stability of the rifle, and cold bore shift is a thing, which is why I agree that generally a 1 MOA gun is not acceptable for me. I want all my rifles to shoot 1/2 MOA or better so that I have additional fudge factor for those other potential issues. But again with a 1/2 MOA gun at 400 yards the rifle will put a bullet somewhere within a 2 inch diameter circle, not a 2 inch radius circle. Ryan Cleckner has a really good video on explaining MOA and what it means at different yardages if you have time to go and watch it.
@@trevorschuetz1530 You are assuming everything from center. There are infinite 4 inch circles within that 8-inch kill zone. You are assuming a perfect 2 inch radius around the middle of the target. Your understanding of geometry is lacking here, not your understanding of the concept of MOA. As I said before, from the dead center of the 8 inch kill zone, you would only be FOUR INCHES from the outer rim of the kill zone in any direction. That is MOA margin of ERROR. You could have a gun that consistently shoots high... If you are aiming dead center of said 8 inch target then you would indeed have a FOUR INCH group, yet it would be skewed towards the top HALF of the kill zone. Someone else could have a gun that shoots consistently low... then they would have a group that would be skewed towards the extreme bottom of the kill zone. Would they both be MOA groups? Yes. Would they both be pushing the edges of the kill zone? Yes. This isn't rocket science dude. It is really basic understanding.
TLDR: You have a 2 MOA circle. From the center of that circle there is a 1 MOA margin of error in every direction. 1 MOA gun could throw out some suspect shots even when not accounting for human error. It was never argued (in my statement nor the video) that 8 inches at 400 is 1 MOA, you just have low reading comprehension.
@@princessem6423 MOA is a circle. There is no other geometry other than a circle when talking about group size, that's how it is measured, all in circles. If you have a 1 MOA group at 100 yards, it's 1" from center of one shot to center of the furthest away shot within a circle. You don't have a trapezoid group size. The group may look like a trapezoid, but the group size will always be a circle. If you have a gun that shoots consistently high or low then it needs to be re-zeroed. No rifle should ever be shooting high or low of aim point if it has been zeroed properly and you have trued your ballistic data at range. I'm not saying it is rocket science and I do understand how it all works. I just don't want less experienced people watching this to be concerned that a sub 1 MOA gun is going to miss a deer vitals at 400 yards, which the video makes out to be.
Savage 110 👍🏼 145 Grain Hornady Eldx will get you out to 475 yards @ 1534 ft lbs of energy.
Exactly. 270 us more than capable at 400 for Elk.
I live, hunt and handload in interior Alaska. I recently bought a stainless Tikka T3 lite in .270 Win to complement my 1976 Remington 700 in .270 Win. I was impressed with load development...in one afternoon I got a load shooting IMR4350 and Barnes 130gr TTSX with subMOA groups at 100 and 200 yards and low muzzle velocity variation (standard deviation 4.6 fps). I like that Optiloc system of Sako and Tikka where I mounted the Warnes rings directly to the reciever dovetail with the recoil lug built directly in the ring. That made fro an extremely light all-weather mountain rifle that is a tack driver with hand loads.
Xbolt, I’ll send you some 30-06 from Canada ;)
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I’ve harvested 4 elk all with my 270 Win and never had one run past 40 yards and they were shot from 40 yards all the way out to 462 yards and never had a problem with the 130gr bullets and would feel comfortable out to 500 yards
Great shooting. What bullet are you using?
@@krisshepherd740 at that time it was a Barnes TTSX 130gr
@@gavinmorrison7788 , great! Thank you. Did it perform well at the extended range? I'm going to try the new Hornady 130g CX Outfitter ammo this season. I've used the 145gEldx for 6 bucks so far with great success. No elk with that load yet. I archery hunt mostly for elk right now. Shot most of my bulls with a 7mm mag and 270wsm.
@@krisshepherd740 at extended ranges such as 400 yards the bullet would leave a pretty good size wound channel and exit and, from what I’ve experienced they only run about 35 to 40 yards
Savage 110 270win would be my go or the 280AI for longer shots
For sure the 280ai. No to 270.
Savage 110 ultralight.
For me I don't have to worry about what to take hunting season 2021. I just bought a Browning A Bolt 3 in 6.5 creedmoor. So let's hope it does the job.
I love the Browning rifle and 30-06 is perfect but I would take the 7 MM MAG with that said happy hunting and goo luck.
7mm mag is a great voice. Shoots flatter, hits harder than 30/06.
I have elk hunted from the age of 14 and am now 68. I sold all my magnum rifles because they aren't needed. I have kept three rifles that fit every situation I need them for. .275 Rigby, 30-06, and .35 Whelen. I have other rifles but these three do everything I need. The two largest elk I ever killed, (both 6x6 in 300 range) were shot with the .275 Rigby. The 35 Whelen is just a little bit higher on the ballistic scale than a 9.3x62 which is close to a .338 mag. and the 30-06 is a Weatherby Vanguard that I shot my last elk with at 236 yards and I aimed for and shot him in the back of the head. If a man can not get within 400 yards or less he cannot call himself a hunter he is just a shooter. Oh yes, the 30-06 has a dangerous game scope on it, 1.5-5 power. Watch Gunblue490 and learn that when it comes to scopes less is more.
You can use a SFP reticle for range estimation and windage/holdover, regardless of magnification level, with a little math. If you're zoomed in a third of the maximum magnification, treat the hashes as triple what they would be. At half maximum zoom, they're double ( inverse relation between zoom percentage and hash value ). A four power magnification range ( 3-12, 4-16, etc ) makes it easy. It may not be quite as quick or precise as a FFP, but it's doable.
Also, I'd cheat on the voting. I say the 110, but get one chambered in 280 AI. And if you don't want the weight of the 25x scope, anything 16x or above would be almost as good.
Put the Leupold on the Savage and good luck!
I know this is well after the voting, but I just wanted to say that I love the .280 Rem/A.I. cartridges. It can perform very near to 7mm RM, in a standard length action. It also, just deserves more love than it gets.
Love those calibers. Makes 270/3006 obsolete.
The 30-06 was gonging.Targets at 2500 yards.24×24×24 24.These ranges 400 yards or 500 yard are really that uncommon with a less than 6 inch target.
I use to go out coyote hunting with the 30-06 700 to 800 yards and beyond and bag them more .could you kill an elk yes maybe not through the shoulder..longivaty the ought 6 the reason ammo is hard to get.Theirs twice as many 30-06 sixes sold as any other rifle always has you don't need magnum power to reach out to 700 to 800 yards with an ought 6.theirs enough data on them to reach even 6 to eight inch targets at beyond 800 yards easily.with the long barrel life and a little practice over larger more powerful rifles and good scope it could get the job done.and their is a lot of hunters that wouldn't hesitate to take shots at 600 or beyond with a 160 to 180 grain bullets for elk or moose with the 30-06.
Might have been 3500 yards or better I just said 2500 but I know for a fact it was at least 2500 but 3500 yards with the 30-06 sounds more appropriate with 180 grain bullets.it put a half inch crater in the 1inch steel plate.
Even a 308 will reach well over 1000 yards and hit the target.on a windy day with a lot of practice.snipers do this all the time at phenomenal ranges beyond way beyond 1000 yards on man sized targets because their properly trained and practice alot.know what the rifle you have can do.
I would take a tikka t3 super light with a carbon stock in 7mm mag over any of the above. Super accurate.. light and affordable. Also hard to beat them opti lock rings.
Tikka over the Xbolt? psssh, sit down
@@kalindanley2843 here in New Zealand tikka t3s are the biggest seller. There popular for a reason. The T3 super light weighs less than an xbolt and shoots just as well if not better. So you sit down.
I recently asked a well known local hunter about average shot distances here in Oregon and he said his average elk shot is 400 yards...
Well I'm well below average then here in Oregon 😆 🤣
Most people don’t use a range finder and are terrible at judging distance by eye, so I’m sure the guy who told you that actually shoots much under 400 on average
my last 2 elk in OR where 18 and 24 yrds with a bow. :)
I lived in Oregon all my 60 years and have never shot a elk at 400. Most are 200 or less. All depends where you hunt.
The winner is .... the Tikka In (insert caliber here)....
I agree
I just dropped a 6X6 elk at 235 yards with my Tikka T3 .308. Perfect gun
I have a Tikka T3 in 270. Win and I plan on taking an elk with it
@@shaneallen415 do you think I could take an elk with a 6.5 I know you obvious can but how ethical would it be ...... I have the t3x lite with a bunch of aftermarket dumped into it it’s accurate as hell just don’t know if the power would be enough
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Just saw the video and I think the Kimber 280AI would have been my choice. Great 7mm cartridge. Incredible accuracy from them.
I own the Hunter version in 280AI. 1/2 MOA no problem. Only paid around $800 a few years back. I like his videos but whenever I see him throw the Kimber in the mix I cringe because he pretty much finds a reason to trash it. I've owned 3 savages, 2 are 110's. They don't even come close to the Kimber's accuracy and feeding reliability. Even with the Savage's heavier barrels. Not sure if he even pointed out the Kimber's control round feed. A big plus in my book.
It's probably because Kimber was not willing to send them free guns to review.
30-06 then the Kimber but I’d trust the gold ring.
Id take that savage all day. And I don't even like savage. But I can guarantee you that Savage ultralight in 270 will be the first savage i ever buy.
Same I don't like savage one bit. But that ultralight for the price is very intriguing
I wanna like savage but they need to fix their mags I’ve had a mag break while at the range after the mag fell from table height and turned my 243 into a single shot
I agree. Even if you don’t use it bring it as your back up. Savage was a beast during the shoot out
My 2 savages have either a blind box mag or takes AICS mags since it’s in a MDT chassis. Totally the way to go
Yeah, at that price with a proof research barrel. Very intriguing, even though its a Savage.
Fierce for elk, savage for deer
I have two Browning X-Bolts and one Savage 110. One in 300 Win Mag while other is 308 Win Mag. My Savage 110 is in .223 Rem and I wouldn't change what I have for the world. To each his/ her own!
I just got a Tikka Tx3 light 30- 06 due to your channel. I am new to rifles, but not hunting. Here is where everyone goes awe. I am from NJ. You can only hunt with shotguns in NJ, therefore I plan to hunt in PA with the rifle. Oddly enough I got the 30 - 06 due to the availability of the ammo. I have gotten different brands of ammo, but I need to settle on one brand as I sight in the rifle. I almost got the Savage Ultralight, therefore, I want to see the Savage on the Elk hunt.
Fierce 7mm Rem Mag, excellent variety in bullets, hits like a train, ballistics are amazing. Can easily go out to 600,700,800 yards. Fierce gun is incredibly accurate, excellent barrel, Can’t go past it. It be my choice.
I have 2 firearms chambered in .30-'06. I have one load that delivers sub MOA accuracy in both guns. Capable on Elk out to 400 yards. I would not feel undrgunned with either rifle.
Kimber subaline 280 ackley
Give me the 7MM with good glass!
I'd choose the Savage 110 Ultralight
Fierce edge in 7mm rem mag
U got the big bucks
I recall a gun mag article by Craig Boddington who, for years, questioned the 270 until a lawyer asked him had he ever shot an elk with a 270. He wrote that on a hunt following that challenge he shot an elk with a handloaded 270 using a 150gr Nosler Partition and buckled a 6pt bull elk at 400 yds. The point being opinions do not stack up to real life field experience.
I'm hella late but I would have definitely went with the 7mm. That setup just seems good to me
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If you say the Savage setup is the most accurate in your hands...then you take the Savage.
You guys are doing a GREAT job with your reviews! One of my new favorite channels!
My Vote - Savage 110 Ultralight. 270 Win at 150gr Hornady Interbond, / Nosler Accubond @ 2800fps muzzle = 1,500lbs energy @ 500yds with low recoil. Optics: Leupold 3-9x40 or a VX6 2-12x42mm CDS. 9x or 12x magnification is plenty for big game. Elk are big animals. You would have to see how those 150gr pills group. My 270 Win loves them.
Yup, Savage 110/270 If you're calling Elk you can get them to come in pretty close ( Example, Bow hunters ) If you have a Range finder you can get within 300/350 yards and put a quality bullet ( Accubond/Partition/Barnes ) through the lungs... Although the 30-06 would have been my first choice if you had ammo...
Most rifle seasons are not during the rut .
@@robertboyd3863 Yup, They may have to spot & stalk early morning, late evening. My favorite method. Find a good vantage point overlooking quality habitat and be there at first light..
Savage 110 gets my vote. You can look at that beautiful barrel as the trophy if the hunt goes south!
I have to agree 100% with your order & selection. I was feeling bad about leaning toward the Fierce because of weight but it has been my pick all along. Close 2nd is the Savage but would rather see it in a 280 AI or 30/06. I prefer the 7mm Rem Mag as a whole. I have had 2 over the years & will be getting another in the next few months or so. We really have enjoyed this series as well as your others. Lord bless you young men. You have our prayers for safety and success on your hunt(s).
Honest to God you blokes are better than 99% percent of the CZcams gun community love your videos and can't wait to see the channel grow love the work boys keep it up👍
My choice is a 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro -> CARBON FIBER STOCK, stainless barrel and action, light fluted barrel, bolt and bolt handle, burnt bronze Cerakote on all metal parts & Talley scope rings. SCOPE->Bushnell LRTS 4.5 - 18 x 44 w/illuminated G3 reticle.
You guys gotta review a Christensen Ridgeline, I’ve just been waiting to see it pop up here. Love the unbiased reviews - keep it comin!
Become one with the 7mm rem mag. :)
I have the savage and the kimber
The kimber is a nicer gun. The savage is good except for the bold carrier. Mad play= bad tolerances. Feels like sand when you run the bolt. For the trigger pull on the kimber I disagree with them= it’s very crisp
The Kimber is probably the best built rifle of the group including the fierce. Sold my xbolt speed would never part with my Kimber.
7mm mag all day long #1 enough said. It literally puts all the other calibers in this discussion to shame.
Fierce. I like 7mm but 270 or 280ai would've been interesting and more my preference.
No 30-06 ammo, really. Hell I’ll send you the ammo. The Browning X-Bolt is the best rifle in your bunch and I believe it’s the 06. When I used to rifle hunt I shot a Winchester Model 70 06 and then a Browning BAR in Idaho above North Fork in the Bitteroot . Have been hunting archery for 20 years now. I just whistle here kitty, kitty and they come in. Killed last bull at 60 yards .
300 win mag is my favorite elk cartridge
Big fan of the Browning, and 30-06 is my very favorite all around round. Good luck with which ever you take
Take the Fierce 7mm
The 270 is my favorite one of the group
You said it, they're all capable of taking Elk. If you don't handload, you're missing the boat! The 30-06 Springfield is struck because you can't find ammunition? I've got a 280 Remington Mountain Rifle. The shelves are full of Creedmoor calibers ammunition but not much else. But the 280 Ackley Improved is good! But you can't find 30-06 Springfield Ammunition but you can find the 280 Ackley Improved? Sounds funny to me! As far as scope choices go, there's Grizzly bears up there, try and find a Grizzly Bear's head at 10 yards with 5x or 25x!
7mm rem mag! Love that caliber
Fierce 7 mag. If I could combine I would take Fierce in .280AI with Leupold
Kimber - it only takes one and it deserves some love after you have disparaged it.
Fierce. As was said, if you have the highest quality gun why take a lesser quality. The savage is a fine gun. If that’s what you can afford it’ll kill. But you have the best gun setting on the table. With one of the finest scopes on the table. Not to mention it’s 7 mag. One of the best all purpose killing calibers to this day. FIERCE
I’d pick the fierce
Can you take them all. Ugh ok the 7mag. Then a back up gun, just Incase. You have someone to carry it.
You said it, they're all capable of taking Elk. If you don't handload, you're missing the boat! The 30-06 Springfield is struck because you can't find ammunition? I've got a 280 Remington Mountain Rifle. The shelves are full of Creedmoor calibers ammunition but not much else. But the 280 Ackley Improved is good! But you can't find 30-06 Springfield Ammunition but you can find the 280 Ackley Improved? Sounds funny to me!
I like the savage
I would pick the 7mm strictly because of the energy.
And trajectory. I handload my 7mag with 162eldm’s and it’s dropping 26moa at 1000m ( not yards ) with 980ftlb energy still left
That 280 AI is the 7mm with less recoil, non belted (easier to load) & cheaper on powder.
@@rw1377 I have always shot a 7mag and have been noticing the same thing. I was talking to a guy and he said he was shooting a 162 eldx at 3100 fps with rl 26. Im only getting 3050 out of my 7mag with h1000. And reloading with that belt is a pain after 4 reloads. Might have to try one of those ackleys.
@@ChaskeJohnson I’m in the process of switching a 30-06 over to a 280AI for a flatter trajectory. I’ve shot a few and was that impressed.
Buy a Savage Model 110 Lightweight Storm in 308 and other calibers for less than $800. It’s the lightest gun on the market at 5.8# and super accurate. If you’re gonna be humping the mountains for deer, elk or sheep you will be glad you bought one!
Browning X Bolt is badass. We should be voting on optics as well.
Savage 110
Savage 110 ultralight
My vote goes for the Savage 110 UL. Although, I'd prefer a .308 Tikka T3x SL for it's 24in barrel, lightweight design, and amazing trigger.
To comment on your statements at 6:00. . .shooting fundamentals, in my mind, will play a more decisive role in the inherent "accuracy" of your groups. Misquoting Ryan Cleckner here but if your rifle can consistently group 1.0-1.5 MOA, the shooter will generally be responsible for a larger margin of error than the inherent accuracy of the rifle. That's not to say that you shouldn't pick the more accurate firearm but I just want to call attention to the numerous factors that go into making consistent, accurate shots. Focusing on solely on the bench/prone accuracy of a rifle can be misleading.
I own a Tikka T3x in 7 mm mag. It’s a tack driver out to 800 yds. I have zero intention of taking game at 800 yards, but man is it fun to stretch that out.
@@rsuninv they are just fun to shoot, man! My go to, do-it-all, rifle is still a T3x in 6.5cm
I reload, and have plenty of reloads right now for the 30-06. 30-06 would be my first choice. 7mm Rem Mag second.
Yep me too. When the acorn president was elected I bought enough components to last the rest of my life for some of my firearms and 30-06 was one of them. It's a no brainer.
Savage 110 ultra I wanna see how it does as I just bought a 270 tikka this year. Find some hornady 140grain superformance for that bad boy
How did it go?
I’m an elk guide in Colorado where elk are tough beasts! We don’t want any of our hunters taking any of these calibers out, we basically like 300 win mag and up!
Too many times we have looked for wounded animals with 270, 308, 7 mag especially. We start every group with asking weapon and grainage of bullet. We as guides feel much more confident when hunters have a 300 or 338! Makes our job way more easy! Plus, we shooting bout 300+ yds, not many 270’s gonna drop something past that unless it’s hit in perfect spot
That because people Hunt long range with calibers ment for Medium range. Long range hunting =more wounded game. You dont see much long range hunting in my country because you can loose your right to own a rifle if the authority finds out you made a bad descission based on distace, calibers, shoot place ment etc which end with a wounded game. Its also a law that if a shoot leaves a wounded animal. You have to stop the Hunt and Get a lisenced tracking dog and handler to help locate the animal.
@@radagastthefool6661 then why they showing a deal on guns that can’t kill an elk as easily? Guess not much discussion if they put a 300 in there, it’d blow those away! All they doing is promoting unethical elk hunting guns!
I realize I’m a year late, but as I have a 110 Ultralight, I agree with the contention that you’ve missed the point by putting that scope on that rifle. I put a 3-15x scope that weighs 13 ounces on mine. Fully loaded with scope, mount, rings and sling mine is well under 7 lbs.
Savage 110 all the way!
But they were all of them deceived, for another rifle was made. Deep in the land of Mordor, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Sauron forged a master rifle, and into this rifle he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.
One Mossberg Patriot to rule them all.
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For a cheap gun I have to agree if your in the under the $400.00 range!
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Nice comment, lol
Probably the best comment I've read all month.
300 weatherby, 300 Win mag, 7mm mag. We shoot long Range in Arizona, New Mexico.
30-06.
However since you can’t find ammo for some reason. 35 Whelen is my pick. I’ve taken elk at 400 yards with no prob. It’s an amazing round and amazing versatility.
Just had a Tikka 06 rebored to a 35 whelen w leupold glass love the thing
@@frankkee7185 they are real thumpers. But you can down load the ammo and take smaller game with out blowing them up and max load them for griz and drop them in one shot. My buddy makes the hand loads for me. When we go hunting I’ve normally got my 1911 in 460 Rowland and then my Rem 700 in 35 whelen with loads for light game and big game.
@@thisisyourcaptin ive yet to kill w it but i bet those 250 partitions are all business the 200gr comes alive w 8208
take the 7mag... or what ever gun you can get the most ammo for.
Fierce 7mm all the way! Wish it was CT edge thou!
Fierce Edge 7mm Rem and Kimber 280AI are both tied in my book in terms of rifle actions and bullets up to Elk at longer ranges! I would not let the Kimbers group size be a factor not if cold bore shots are great and 2nd follow up is under MOA.
You need a 308 in there with a 165 accubond or 168 partition. Shoot anything at 50 yards out to 500 yards max and you are good to go. Accurate, low recoil, good sectional density and lots of ammo to choose from. It’s the sweet spot for big game hunting
300 yards is max on elk with 308 Win.
@@Wilsitrewhat is your reasoning for the 300 yd cap?
@@vmancity9691 from experience of being with other people shooting elk with it.
Fierce in 7mm rem mag! Super gun
A rifle chooses the ammo. Not the shooter. ALWAYS! I reload since 8 years old. Thanks POPS!