An Arabic Bible? | The Origin of the Qur'an's Theological Vocabulary

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  • čas přidán 28. 09. 2023
  • This is a clip from the earlier interview with Dr. Jack Tannous about the possibility of an Arabic version of the Bible in the 7th century as a way to explain the Qur'an's theological and administrative vocabulary. You can find the full video here: • Jack Tannous [II]: Chr...

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  • @maur_sault750
    @maur_sault750 Před 9 měsíci +5

    Keep up the content. Thank you again

  • @willmosse3684
    @willmosse3684 Před 3 měsíci

    I like this guest. Interesting content and great delivery style. Gonna watch the full version. 👍

  • @thenun1846
    @thenun1846 Před 9 měsíci +23

    I can understand why Muslims in the comments section are upset and trying to cope. But guys please, offer some constructive criticism instead of just throwing insults and trying to demonize people so you disqualify them from having their content examined

    • @economician
      @economician Před 9 měsíci +6

      It is sunny da’awists and trinitarian protestants that are having intolerant debates which pushes people away from the ways of God,. We Quranites and our bretherns the Biblical Unitarians have very constructive discussions which bring people closer to the ways of God.

    • @parkerflop
      @parkerflop Před 9 měsíci

      i suppose what you'd need is to provide any actual argument against islam. a theoretical arabic bible which lacks even a shred of proof for its existence and isnt attested to LOL

    • @JohnGeometresMaximos
      @JohnGeometresMaximos Před 3 měsíci

      @@economician
      Christianity and Islam have nothing in common. There is nothing to discuss.

    • @multechpro7151
      @multechpro7151 Před 2 měsíci

      The question is what is there to reply to. This is a weak theory cause all I have to ask is : show me the bible that the Quran copied from , see 🙂

    • @thenun1846
      @thenun1846 Před 2 měsíci

      @@multechpro7151 it's the reality, not a theory. Without the bible, there wouldn't be a Qur'an
      I couldn't tell you which version of the bible inspired the invention of the different Qurans. Its not exclusively plagiarized from the bible, there are many pagan teaches and practices that made its way into the Qurans and Islamic teaching generally

  • @alaaaljarad3172
    @alaaaljarad3172 Před 9 měsíci +1

    When was the First Arabic Bible issued?

    • @talhamohammad5277
      @talhamohammad5277 Před 9 měsíci

      sometimes late in 1000

    • @Zarghaam12
      @Zarghaam12 Před 9 měsíci +1

      The earliest surviving Arabic Bible texts date from the 9th Century!

    • @jacobmathew710
      @jacobmathew710 Před 9 měsíci +1

      868 ad

    • @alaaaljarad3172
      @alaaaljarad3172 Před 9 měsíci +3

      @@jacobmathew710 so 236 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (May ALLAH's Ta'ala Prayers, Peace and Blessings Upon Him)...

    • @jacobmathew710
      @jacobmathew710 Před 9 měsíci

      @@alaaaljarad3172 yes 250 years after the Arab Rebellion, there was no Muhammad a prophet in 7th century...

  • @theonlyway5298
    @theonlyway5298 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I think at 13:50, Jack Tannous has a point regarding the Quran citing scripture from the Bible.
    I discovered for myself by reading the Quran, that the author of the Quran had used 2 consecutive verses from the Bible to supply the ideological content to compose 2 consecutive verses in the Quran. This is as follows:
    I'm labelling the first and second verses of each respective couplet, as verse A and verse B:
    *QURAN 57:3-4"*
    *.A:* (verse 3). He is *the First and the Last* , and the Outer and the Inner, and He has knowledge of all things.
    *B:* (verse 4). It is *He who created THE HEAVENS and THE EARTH* in six days, then settled over the Throne. He knows what penetrates into the earth, and what comes out of it, and what descends from the sky, and what ascends to it. And He is with you wherever you may be. God is Seeing of everything you do.
    .....In the above verses Surah 57:3 and 4, we see that *A* has THE TITLE: The First and the Last"
    followed by *B* , which has a CREATION SUMMARY.
    ....Now if we look at Isaiah 48:12 and 14, we see *EXACTLY* the same!
    *ISAIAH 48:12-13*
    *A:* (verse 12) Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am he; *I am the First, and I am the Last.*
    *B:* (verse 13) *My hand laid the foundation of THE EARTH, and my right hand spread out THE HEAVENS* ; when I call to them, they stand forth together.
    Again in Isaiah 48:12-13, *A* has the TITLE: "the First and the Last"
    and *B* has a Creation Summary,....just as in Quran 57:3-4
    It is apparent that the author of the Quran, was using the contents and the ideas from the 2 bible verses of Isaiah 48:12-13, to create his 2 verses in Surah 57:12-13 !!
    The implication of this is obvious. Not only was this not from a god because it was copied, but since it was copied, THE AUTHOR WAS NOT ILLITERATE! What this means is that far from the author being 'illiterate', he actually did this quite carefully, trying to conceal and disguise his source by changing the words he read in Isaiah 48:12-13. This is NOT work of someone who can't read or write, but the work of someone who was trying to hide the source of his ideas! Furthermore, the order in Isaiah of Earth, then Heavens, appears to have been swapped to instead say 'Heavens and then Earth' in Surah 57:4, making the source in Isaiah, less obvious to detect.
    Now having discovered this for myself, I am convinced that this cannot be any co-incidence, because the odds of this happening with 2 like for like consecutive verses, by some random event must be pretty impossible! So for me, I don't accept that biblical texts were not available to the author, because this evidence alone raises the spectre that these two verses were carefully crafted from the Biblical text of Isaiah.

    • @servantofthemosthighh
      @servantofthemosthighh Před 2 měsíci

      Pretty interesting, I won't agree on plagiarism, but I will say that ALLAH, the God, the creator, the most wise, all knowing is perfect in how he sends the revelation across vast spectrums of languages , minds and understanding, and his synchronization is perfect, he is the master and all is math is perfect , because I can point out something that you missed that's amazing mathematically!😮 if you take both verses from quran and Bible and add up the numbers they both are perfectly equal ! Quran 57:3 [5+7+3=15] ...Isaiah 48:12 [4+8+1+2=15]! Then 57:4 5+7+4=16]. And 48:13[4+8+1+3=16]
      😮😮😮😮 now what's the odds of that ? 🤔 ALL PRAISE TO THE MOST HIGH

    • @theonlyway5298
      @theonlyway5298 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@servantofthemosthighh With all due respect to you and I understand why Muslims like you offer this 'alternative explanation/deflection', but we both know that in reality, examples like this, only happen because the information from one source has been transferred to a later source. We both know that the information of scriptures from the Bible, were spread right across the Near and Far East as far as Africa and in the opposite direction to India and beyond and that this had happened centuries before Islam ever appeared.
      We also know that Mohammed and his fellow countrymen were aware of the Christian and Jewish scriptures - and when we examine similarities like this, it is undeniable that the contents of Isaiah 48:12-13 have been used to create Surah 57:3-4 as two consecutive verses.
      However.....by stark contrast, if we enquire of the Quran, whether the author knew of the sayings and claims of Confucius in ancient China, or the sayings of Bhudda in India, or the beliefs of the North American Indians, or the beliefs of the Australian Aboriginees....can you point to ANY definitely recognisable and specifically identifiable sayings from these ancient religions/beliefs and see them written in the Quran? I suspect you will answer 'No, I can't'. And that is because the author being only a human being, did not have knowledge of these far away peoples and their beliefs, because the author lived himself only in the Near/Middle East and his knowledge was limited to this local region! ...can you point to examples for instance of similar consecutive verse information in the Quran that can be specifically identified in the sayings of Confucius?
      ....if not, my friend, I rest my case! The author of the Quran had the limitations of a human man, because he was a man who only had local and regional knowledge!

  • @gruffalodin647
    @gruffalodin647 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Great vids Gabriel. I do believe you two will find it fascinating that the first verse in the Quran إقْرَأْ بِاسْمِ رَبِّكَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ “Recite in the name of the Lord who created” (al-` Alaq 96.1) , and the first verse of the Hebrew bible בראשח ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארצ “In the beginning God(s) created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1.1) , are ALL (EVERY SINGLE WORD AND PREPOSITION) of Phoenician origin, a language deeply marginalized and rarely talked about except in the Semitic philology circles. It pre-dated Hebrew and Aramaic by at least 500 years, both of which predated classical Arabic as we know by another 500-700 years. the word QR' in the Quran is mentioned in several Phoenician and Punic inscriptions e.g. [Ph. KAI 10.7] and means "'to read, call, invoke". The word BR' in the Hebrew Bible e.g. [Pu. CIS I 347.4] means "form, create, mold, engrave" in Punic (presumed Phoenician root). There are hundreds of "Arabic" words in the Quran and "Hebrew" words in the bible that are all but Phoenician. (Le Nabi Phénicien)

    • @andrewtheworldcitizen
      @andrewtheworldcitizen Před 8 měsíci +1

      No, that doesn't make them Phoenician....
      It is because Phoenician is another Semitic language, so it is a closely-related language to both Hebrew and Arabic....
      Phoenician is actually a lot closer to Hebrew....
      Not only are they both closely-related Northwest Semitic languages, but they are both considered to be forms of Canaanite.....
      That is, both the Phoenicians and Hebrews are considered to have come from the Canaanites....

  • @ashishmantri3684
    @ashishmantri3684 Před měsícem

    I myself am looking into the historical context of my indian texts especially our relogious texts , my main interests are in early buddhism , christianity and the origins of islam though but these are really fascinating.

    • @nova5stars729
      @nova5stars729 Před měsícem +1

      You can access the scholarship of any religion on the internet these days

  • @obaidulhaque7687
    @obaidulhaque7687 Před 9 měsíci +1

    "Arabiyaa" meaning perfectly weaved word , clause , parabole and metaphors ..... its like kofta ..( well blend with different ingridient by Allah ) creator of all realm

  • @hassmali1139
    @hassmali1139 Před 9 měsíci +2

    And, indeed, full well do We know that they say, "It is but a human ( Abu-Warqa ) being that imparts [all] this to him! -[notwithstanding that] the tongue of him to whom they so maliciously point is wholly outlandish, whereas this is Arabic speech, clear [in itself] and clearly showing the truth [of its source]. (103)

    • @Kuuzie1
      @Kuuzie1 Před 9 měsíci

      This very verse points to the borrowing (diffusions) of foreign vocabularies in Arabic before and after Islam.
      This is a normal human phenomenon. Cultures interact thereby facilitating diffusion of material and non-material elements of cultures. The protagonist of the Quran in this dialogue (verse) took cultural diffusion for granted and responded apologetically (theologically) to what might not be a point of debate to many early hearers of the Quran.
      The Quran does claim to be independent of Judeo-Christian religious belief system but a confirmation. Therefore, the Quran will obviously perpetuate (or adopt) theological concepts and vocabularies of these preexisting religions.

  • @thebeesnuts777
    @thebeesnuts777 Před 9 měsíci +3

    The Arab Christians didn't refer to their book as injeel, even in the time of Muhammad it was referred to as kitaab ul muqadasa ( holy bible ) never injeel , they accepted this title or convinced everyone this is what Quran is referring to

    • @light6935
      @light6935 Před 5 měsíci

      Muhammad got that from Ethiopian because Ethiopian they used to call they bible wenjel

    • @thebeesnuts777
      @thebeesnuts777 Před 5 měsíci

      @@light6935
      They used to ? What they don't call it wenjel now ? If Muhammad got it from the Ethiopians why isn't it called wenjel in Quran but injeel , ?
      Injeel is a description of a person , like jibreel Michaeel , etc injeel is a person not a book , only Torah was given before Quran , no Bible sorry to say they made that up , if anything the Bible is a rectification or an attempt at restoring the Torah

    • @light6935
      @light6935 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@thebeesnuts777 bruh what you smoking

    • @light6935
      @light6935 Před 5 měsíci

      @@thebeesnuts777 Ethiopian still call it the new testament wenjel where it mean good news
      Also more than 200 Ethiopic loanword appeared in Quran

    • @thebeesnuts777
      @thebeesnuts777 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@light6935
      Good news in Greek is evangelion , you say wenjel , Injeel is closer to angel in its word form angel in Greek means messenger or Godly person , therefore Injeel is descriptive of a being/person not a book ,and yes there maybe words in Quran that share Ethiopian word meaning because of the vicinity of the languages

  • @Akram_El-Masry
    @Akram_El-Masry Před 9 měsíci +3

    Allah is what ?
    btw how to say God in Jesus's original language "Aramaic"

    • @dodo_berg1230
      @dodo_berg1230 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Elah considering both aramaic and Arabic are from the same language group

    • @light6935
      @light6935 Před 5 měsíci

      @@dodo_berg1230 in Arabic it’s lah

  • @economician
    @economician Před 9 měsíci +1

    I wonder if you have seen dr Luxemburgs two latest videos where he presents his hypothesis that the Quran is a trinitarian Scripture?
    In the centre is his hypothesis of the syriac meaning of As Samad which in syriac means the binding of grapes, that is a plurality joined together as one unit or a plurality paired as one unit.
    He argues that Allahu As Samad means the trinitarian God. The traditionalists argue that As Samad means the eternal or the absolute God. My hypothesis is that based on the syriac origin it means neither the Trinitarian God nor the Absolute God but instead it means the Unitarian God that is the Biblicaly unitarian God. I have explained my hypothesis in the comments of Luxemburgs videos and would love to hear your thoughts Gabriel regarding As Samad or maybe that you invite Luxemburgs to your show to discuss his hypothesis.

  • @JamshidRowshan
    @JamshidRowshan Před 9 měsíci

    Hello to all. Arabic Gospel? I know about the Bahaullah (died 1892) al secolo Hussein Ali, he declared to be a Prophet of Allah, he "revealed" a book called Iqan, there are many quotation from Gospels and one citation from Bible. But revealing Gospels in arabic, he "copied" verbatim the arabic translation of englishman Castel from the Sacra Biblia Polyglotta of Brian Walton!! 18th century

  • @almazchati4178
    @almazchati4178 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Qur'an has its own special vocabulary. Biblical stuff has a more folkish, vulgar text. Some Arab tribes was living close to Christian or Jewish communities. However, their language was not close to arabic of Qur'an.

    • @user-bp1is6gl9k
      @user-bp1is6gl9k Před 2 měsíci

      Thats because Al-Quran was revealed in Quraishi dialect, to Prophet Muhammad which was from the Quraish, and Bani Hashim.

    • @nova5stars729
      @nova5stars729 Před měsícem

      ​@@user-bp1is6gl9kisn't the the quran revealed in 7 qiraat(recitation or dialect) according to the traditional narrative

    • @almazchati4178
      @almazchati4178 Před měsícem

      @@nova5stars729 No, The meaning of some words may change depending on how long you extend the wovels. So, they have limits on woveling.

    • @nova5stars729
      @nova5stars729 Před měsícem

      @@almazchati4178 I know that but isn't the narrative that 7 readings of the uthmanic rasm was revealed

    • @almazchati4178
      @almazchati4178 Před měsícem

      @@nova5stars729 Let us see if you know how to read YHwHH. If you don't know how to read, you have no right to criticize others who know how to read. What langage Jesus speak? Not Aramaic. Historian Josephus says he was an Egyptian. He was killed in battle, not crucified.

  • @ashishmantri3684
    @ashishmantri3684 Před měsícem

    The early islamic sufis for me it seems were influenced by the christain monastics in arabia , i think these christians were not completely Christian in the general sense but were more greyish in the sense of being jewish and believers of christ as the messiah. Insaan al kaamil ,the perfect soul for me in sense clearly hints at christ as u knw the figure of christ is so dynamic like the buddha was to the east and a lot of mystical traditions should have been centred upon him. There were also many montotheists in arabia not quote en quote christain or jewish but just monotheistic which could have been another reason of the rise of islam in arabia to unite people under a common arabia. I think one of the main reasons for this movement might have been due to the romanisation of the christianity under the roman empire whose culture would have seemed not quite abrahamic /jewish for the people in the middle east where they were a lot of jewish and arabic people familiar with second.

  • @JohnGeometresMaximos
    @JohnGeometresMaximos Před 3 měsíci

    Gabriel, your guest misses an extremely important point: The quran seeks to CORRECT me [I'm an Orthodox Christian].
    How can the quran correct me, unless it proves to me first that it knows what I believe?
    The quran does not even mention the words "Holy Trinity", or "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit".

  • @Iamfsaly
    @Iamfsaly Před 3 měsíci

    22:50 the only explanation left is to say God told him about these stories (We tell you [Prophet] the best of stories in revealing this Quran to you. Before this you were one of those who knew nothing about them.) surah Yusuf - 3
    Surah ad-dokhan - 8 (there is no god but Him: He gives life and death--He is your Lord and the Lord of your forefathers

  • @kilianklaiber6367
    @kilianklaiber6367 Před 2 měsíci

    The main problem is that you believe in the story that the quran was created in a short period of time in Mecca/Medina by a guy called mohammed.
    The quran is a compilation of several different texts of varying origins. Each of these texts may have had a different origin. The quran is filled with references to christianity. Therefore, large parts of the quran must have originated in a christianised context, i.e. not Mecca.

    • @issamedin306
      @issamedin306 Před 2 měsíci

      Literally none of what you said here is true or accepted by the academic community.

    • @nova5stars729
      @nova5stars729 Před měsícem

      What are you bambling about

  • @Stardust475
    @Stardust475 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Qeryana - Quran
    Palestinian Syriac Lectionary

  • @yellowjeanz
    @yellowjeanz Před 8 měsíci +1

    I’m not sure why you think you have a gotcha moment. This is not it.

    • @nova5stars729
      @nova5stars729 Před měsícem

      It's not a gotcha moment he's a scholar not an apologist

  • @MuhammadZubairJaved
    @MuhammadZubairJaved Před 9 měsíci

    Waraqa was a Jew not Christian.

    • @light6935
      @light6935 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Christian according to Hadith

  • @dastanabilev
    @dastanabilev Před 9 měsíci

    N po

  • @almazchati4178
    @almazchati4178 Před 2 měsíci

    All Christian and Jewish writings after 6th century has been heavily influenced by Muslim thinking.

    • @nova5stars729
      @nova5stars729 Před měsícem

      It's the other way around

    • @almazchati4178
      @almazchati4178 Před měsícem

      @@nova5stars729 You may disagree as much as you want.

    • @nova5stars729
      @nova5stars729 Před měsícem

      @@almazchati4178 maybe all of them influenced each other

  • @Akram_El-Masry
    @Akram_El-Masry Před 9 měsíci +9

    The most you can do with these funny arguments is to repeat it in closed circles
    Not against actual muslim schoolers cause it won't fool anyone
    Even young islamophobes who pick up these arguments thinking its true
    End up a laughing stock when they bring it up in a real discussion
    So keep it up 👍

    • @thenun1846
      @thenun1846 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Why do Muslims and transgenders accuse people of non-existent phobias?

    • @CrystalCoffin
      @CrystalCoffin Před 9 měsíci +1

      It's impossible to fool those "actual muslim schoolers" since they are actually the biggest fools themselves, not to mention people who follow them blindly.
      Clearly you are just hurt by the fact that not everyone believes in the stupid Islamic hoax like you do. You should keep this attitude for the next 100 years, and gradually Islam will turn as the most embarrassing laughing stock in the world - so embarrassing that it won't even be displayed in museums

    • @jameswright...
      @jameswright... Před 9 měsíci

      Muslim scholars 😂
      Specialist in myths and fables with added lies 😂
      Just like Christian scholars 😂

    • @David-kz2im
      @David-kz2im Před 9 měsíci +3

      Cope.

    • @paulthomas281
      @paulthomas281 Před 9 měsíci +6

      @Akram_El-Masry
      You still use that word "Islamophobia"?? It's 2023. You live in a world of fairytales my friend.

  • @leebardien9129
    @leebardien9129 Před 23 dny

    Prophet Mohammad's 1st wife was a very wealthy catholic.. I'm sure he got it from her.. the guy was illiterate 😂

  • @alaaaljarad3172
    @alaaaljarad3172 Před 9 měsíci +1

    who cares? The real question is; which doctrine and religion is offering solutions to humanity current crisis?! Humanity faces distinction and destruction now?! who is facing these challenges Christianity or Islam?

    • @chrisazure1624
      @chrisazure1624 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Christianity. Islam does not offer anything other than formulaic tradition. It can't address the heart issues, only behavior.

    • @1001011011010
      @1001011011010 Před 9 měsíci +6

      Both try to offer solutions, but this is an academic channel which does care about such historical questions.

    • @alaaaljarad3172
      @alaaaljarad3172 Před 9 měsíci

      @@1001011011010 Sure...An Honest History Is Good But A Biased and Putting Poison Into Honey History Is Really Bad...No Matter what History is PAST...We are NOW...Christianity TODAY is going with the flow and is appealing to Satan and Devil at all levels...The devil sickness of homosexuality is being accepted by Almost ALL Christian Churches and you are telling it is offering solutions?!!!!

    • @chrisazure1624
      @chrisazure1624 Před 9 měsíci

      @@1001011011010 Islam offers problems baked into its false claims. It does not offer solutions.
      Academia needs a purpose other than just coldly discussing origins. It is great to dispassionately discuss ideas, but in the end, we need solutions as our world falls apart.

    • @1001011011010
      @1001011011010 Před 9 měsíci +3

      @@chrisazure1624
      Solution doesn't mean "correct solution".
      Scientist A can offer a solution to some problem, and Scientist B can offer a different solution to the same problem, but one could be right and the other wrong, or they could both be wrong. But they still both offered solutions.
      If you would rather not look into historical questions then maybe don't go to videos specifically addressing that very topic...

  • @PolarCountry
    @PolarCountry Před 9 měsíci +5

    How to know that a book is authentic or not.
    you have to look at the source it is came from.
    Was the Quran given by Gabriel?
    Where is the evidence?
    Was Muhammed a prophet?
    Who says?
    What is the criteria to declare anyone a prophet?
    Ask from the people of the book!
    Muhammed’s own life story tells us a lot wether he was prophet or not,
    His marriage with Ayesha the child bride
    His sexual relationship with zainab the wife of his adopted son, Allah flipped his heart to lust?
    Killings of Jews and Christians and taking women as sex slaves
    Having sex with slave women after killing their husbands and families
    Telling absurd stories of Jinn and magic
    Received satanic verses from devil
    When I evaluate the source which has thousands of reasons to convince me that Quran is not a Devine revelation.
    I don’t need any petrodollars funded PHD to believe that Quran is a so called SMART BOOK.
    You have eyes but can’t see
    You have ears but can’t hear
    Change your glasses of belief so you can see the truth..
    And truth will set you free!
    Accept Jesus Christ as your saviour.

    • @QuranicInsights-jb2lt
      @QuranicInsights-jb2lt Před 9 měsíci

      Who. The fraud you claim to be the son, the father and Satan? He is diablos, Lucifer and so is Paul

    • @gibbano101
      @gibbano101 Před 9 měsíci +1

      yes, and all religion is bogus, the end

    • @QuranicInsights-jb2lt
      @QuranicInsights-jb2lt Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@gibbano101 yet you are busy here. Seems like it's an addiction for you

    • @gibbano101
      @gibbano101 Před 9 měsíci

      @@QuranicInsights-jb2lt and maybe I need your fantastical book and revelator to fix me? :-) No thanks. Normal life is better.

    • @PolarCountry
      @PolarCountry Před 9 měsíci

      @@gibbano101 Do you believe that human beings evolved from the random interaction of molecules or monkey?

  • @defiantfaith324
    @defiantfaith324 Před 9 měsíci +3

    Prof Gabriel are lecturing in the Catholic University, so it's only natural he's trying to questions the origins of Qur'an from Christian perspectives. Is it true? No it's not! Waraqah ibn Naufal stories (yes there are conflicting traditions about this) are khabar with no established (problematic) chain of transmissions just as stories (another conflicted versions)about Bahira, If one apply methodology basing this "gossips" then one will see an apologist attempt to undermine the Glorious Qur'an. Professor Jack Tannous is spotted stating all those traditions are nonsense. Keep trying Prof Gabriel. Peace

    • @1001011011010
      @1001011011010 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Some critical scholars put more stock in "problematic" chains of transmission due to isnaad fabricators wanting to fabricate strong isnaads, which will be weird to typical Muslim scholars. Not sure if that's the perspective here or not

  • @truthfinder6538
    @truthfinder6538 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Muslims here are mad in the comment section because topics like this exposes them to a harsh reality of their Quran 😅

    • @phillipholland6795
      @phillipholland6795 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Not really. The conversion rates speak for themselves, and true intellectuals consume the ignorance and end up researching the Quran at it's roots and convert. Every other religion is in decline while Islam continues to grow rapidly.

    • @truthfinder6538
      @truthfinder6538 Před 9 měsíci

      @@phillipholland6795 😂😂😂 don’t be fooled by Islamic propaganda, Islam is also declining. Yes Islam is growing in the west and that’s because it’s still edgy at this point and many ppl saw it as substitute to Christianity bcos of their ill informed knowledge of the religion. Also Muslim women has higher birth rate, but this trend won’t last forever, It will slow down.
      But have you taken a look at the Middle East? Islam is loosing numbers in the Middle East as well, all religions are on the verge of decline. A new form of religion will emerge and that will be a religion focused on the world’s problem and how to solve it rather than an external view of the world where you’ve to die to go to paradise which is just a mere fairytale.

    • @andrewtheworldcitizen
      @andrewtheworldcitizen Před 8 měsíci

      Yes, you're absolutely right....
      Just like the harsh reality that Jesus has been a dead pile of bones for nearly two millenia, and that humans are nothing but a species of ape, pathetic wannabes running around looking up at the sky with craniums full of delusions of grandeur and vivid imaginations, longing to be something bigger than the ape shits they really are......

    • @1sanitat1
      @1sanitat1 Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@@phillipholland6795Breeding rate. Not conversion rate.

    • @phillipholland6795
      @phillipholland6795 Před 4 měsíci

      @@1sanitat1 Nah, because breeding rates throughout Africa and India are through the roof and they are polytheists, it's the conversion rates.

  • @chrisazure1624
    @chrisazure1624 Před 9 měsíci +10

    I like the idea that the Arabs of Muhammad's time were used to bad translations. Lack of accurate lexicons, hasty desires and contending with oral traditions may have led to a confusing and undesirable product. When Muhammad produced something elegant, it caught on as something desirable and explains its claims to being imitable. It was different, but not so much that it requires inspiration. Of course, what may have been an early sect of Christianity was hijacked by those who used it for political gains.

    • @fadiljelin7297
      @fadiljelin7297 Před 9 měsíci +6

      You just highjacked academic research to distort the facts and formulate just another exclusively hypothetical conspiracy theory. Get a job! You got too much time on your hands.

    • @chrisazure1624
      @chrisazure1624 Před 9 měsíci +4

      @@fadiljelin7297 Why does it upset you? Just move along if you are not interested.

    • @QuranicInsights-jb2lt
      @QuranicInsights-jb2lt Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@chrisazure1624it's fake news in guise of research.

    • @QuranicInsights-jb2lt
      @QuranicInsights-jb2lt Před 9 měsíci +2

      Not at all. If at all they had some similarities it was with Judaism.
      They really took the Trinity through the bleachers.
      Christianity is Idol worship

    • @chrisazure1624
      @chrisazure1624 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@QuranicInsights-jb2lt Islam is nothing but a blend of Judaism, heretical Christianity and pagan practices. We can tell from the apocryphal sources Muhammad used, that he had no idea what orthodox Christianity taught. We don't believe in three gods and if Muhammad was hearing from allah, he would have known that. Your lack of understanding is based upon the same poorly informed background.

  • @fadiljelin7297
    @fadiljelin7297 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Dr. Tannous just blew Shoemaker’s hypothesis about Quran out of the water. As if Dr. All-Jallad’s research findings were not enough. That’s why Shoemaker had to offer his new book about Quran for free. Shoemaker will still have his cult following outside the academia among the far right white Christian nationalists as their 2nd best favorite author after Robert Spencer who is their number one.

  • @seekeith2
    @seekeith2 Před 9 měsíci

    meanwhile in holy book of islam,
    what a family of profit moe!!!
    who were these slaves of al lah in hell fire?
    Abdullah ibn Abd al-Muttalib (father)
    Amina bint Wahb (mother)
    Abd al-Muttalib Shaybah ibn Hashim(grand father), Servant of Muttalib
    a pagan origin of name muhammad!
    Muhammad, in full Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim, (born c. 570,
    On the seventh day he made sacrifice for him and invited Quraysh to see him. When they had feasted, they asked, "O Abd al-Mutalib, what have you thought of naming this son of yours you have honoured?" "I have named him Muhammad," he replied. "Why", they asked, "have you preferred him not to have one of the names of his kinsfolk?" "Because I wanted God to praise him in heaven and His creatures to praise him on earth," he replied.
    The name Muhammad (ﷺ) was given to the Prophet by his mother and grandfather.
    the name Mohammed carries the meaning of “the praised one” or “the one who receives praise.”
    who is this pagan god, al lah of his mother and g father, was praised to?
    al lah said these is my seal of profit.
    WOW what a hahalala religiom

  • @FaridNovin
    @FaridNovin Před 9 měsíci +3

    Don't you realize how absurd and illogical this conversation is? A Muslim will tell you that the Torah, the Bible, and the Koran came in turn from God. And the Bible was corrupted over time by copyists (as Bart Ehrman shows in his writings) and the Quran came to correct these corruptions and present the true words of God. And yet, are you going through this tortured debate yourself to prove that the Quran knows the Bible?!

    • @MrLosches
      @MrLosches Před 9 měsíci +1

      You need to demonstrate how the Bible was corrupted over time by "copyists" and how the Quran came to correct these "corruptions"?

    • @thenun1846
      @thenun1846 Před 9 měsíci +5

      I appreciate you admitting that Allah's words are corruptable, this is important to note.
      If the Quran is just a succession of the previous messages, yet the previous messages were corrupted, then all we have is the end of the story and no context for anything before that.
      This highlights the impotence of the god of Islam and based on his poor track record, we need to be more skeptical with the standard Islamic narrative which has been proven to be a fraud

    • @HajjiJesus
      @HajjiJesus Před 9 měsíci

      @@thenun1846
      Early messages were not sent to you. It was sent to tribes who lived thousands of years ago. They have rules and laws that were legislated due to their circumstance, sometimes due to their transgressions.
      Quran was sent as a mercy and to lessen the burden on you from following laws that would be hard to follow in today's age. Besides, God never promised to preserve them. They were temporary messages meant to be replaced when the time came. Quran was the final message that was supposed to replace them. Because it is the final and there will be no more messengers coming after to renew the message to correct what is corrupted or bring new message, God took the responsibility of preserving the Message of the Quran.
      *It is Preserved.*

    • @thenun1846
      @thenun1846 Před 9 měsíci +3

      @@HajjiJesus well I don't see any god at play here. All I see is men who invented the Quran, wrote the Quran, taught the Quran, and "preserved" the Quran. It is riddle with human fingerprints. In addition, the Quran is hopelessly unclear and contradictory which is why we have hadiths, tafsirs and other external referencing in an attempt to make sense of it
      As for Allah being incapable of preserving his previous books, are you saying that some of his words are corruptable and some are not?

    • @FaridNovin
      @FaridNovin Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@thenun1846 It seems that you have no comprehension of the logic of knowledge and that you throw away everything that comes to mind like young lads in the schoolyard. Be happy, play with your skateboard, and leave this talk to wise and knowledgeable adults.

  • @Zarghaam12
    @Zarghaam12 Před 9 měsíci +3

    Christianity we now know is failing - problems of Trinity, Greek authorship of the Gospels etc.. It might, therefore, be proper to say that a kind of Christian thought shall survive through Islam!

    • @jacobmathew710
      @jacobmathew710 Před 9 měsíci +1

      We are not going anywhere...its Islam that is failing, Muslims are leaving Islam and becoming christians, 10 million every year.

    • @jacobmathew710
      @jacobmathew710 Před 9 měsíci

      Islam is heretical Christian cult of Arabs...Trinity is the only Monotheism in the Bible...

    • @jacobmathew710
      @jacobmathew710 Před 9 měsíci +14

      New testament was written in Greek because it was the language of that time that the whole empire understood, so Christians were able to reach wide audience unlike Aramaic which was only spoken in levant.

    • @PolarCountry
      @PolarCountry Před 9 měsíci

      Muslims are ignorant and in illusion that they are winning
      In reality they are not
      Look in Muslim countries, Muslims running from sharia law.
      In Iran almost 50% mosques are closed
      Saudi Arabia have music shows now which women and men enjoy together
      There is a tsunami of apostasy has been erupted and people are leaving Islam in flocks
      Birth rate is reducing in Islamic countries
      With the advent of internet Islam is being exposed every moment
      Christianity has been survived for thousands of year and will survive by the grace of Jesus.
      Hallelujah 🙏