The Dangers of Climbing With The Zig Zag and Termination Knots.

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  • čas přidán 6. 09. 2024

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  • @scatoutdebutter
    @scatoutdebutter Před rokem +4

    Thanks for your friendly, careful, experienced, conscientious videos sharing your tree climbing knowledge, tips, techniques for beginners and experts.

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      So nice of you, Take care!

  • @jdm603jake
    @jdm603jake Před rokem +6

    I use the hole farther away from the zig zag itself for my termination connection it keeps them further apart

  • @MrXcrt
    @MrXcrt Před rokem +5

    Good vid , it’s the little things that can get you hurt or killed out there , I like how you pay attention to detail Bino !

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      Thank you, very true. Take care!

  • @chipper442
    @chipper442 Před rokem +2

    Thank you Bino. Another excellent video on how to climb safe and stay alive.
    One thing I noticed, if they put the release facing away from the termination knot side, perhaps it might mitigate the issue.

  • @ariesmars29
    @ariesmars29 Před rokem +4

    I was wondering if a friction hitch cord (eye to eye) could be tied to a termination knot, that would move the knot away and not interfere with a hitch climbers pulley. Would that work? How safe would that be?

  • @JoBianco
    @JoBianco Před rokem +3

    Great video Bino! I enjoy your tips. Thanks!

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem +1

      My pleasure!

  • @dodgyhodgie734
    @dodgyhodgie734 Před rokem +1

    Smart people just use a spliced eye. It's not bulky and in the way never a problem.

  • @cesspool1676
    @cesspool1676 Před rokem +1

    When this happens to a production climber....they call it Tuesday. The same issue can arise when using a prussik cord. The best solution is to run a tight eye, it virtually eliminates the problem. This is a major issue and something every climber should be aware of when running a terminal knot in certain systems.

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      Thanks for sharing!

  • @Killinit33
    @Killinit33 Před rokem

    I use the Kong D.N.A. Ovilone & it keeps things pretty much away or out of your way no matter what the situation. It's also a steel carabiner so it gives you some weight to throw it wherever you need as well.

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      Thanks for sharing!

  • @brucelund5788
    @brucelund5788 Před rokem +1

    I have a simple solution to that, I just tie a bowline so the knot is well above the biner, it will never interfere with the petzel or any regular friction hitch and a hitchclimber pulley, also with the bowline the termination on the rope at the biner will always be in a different spot and not wearing on the same place all the time like a spliced eye etc. :{)

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      That's true it could make it higher but a bowline is not the best termination knot because it can come loose unless you are using a Yosemite finish. The carabiner on the ZigZag it tight but if it were to loosen up it could side load your carabiner.

  • @dankotos61
    @dankotos61 Před rokem +1

    That was a good video I haven't had any issues like that with my zigzag maybe it's zig zag should make a longer Caribbean to open and not from hitting the chain

  • @32onfireify
    @32onfireify Před rokem

    Thank you again for this good safety video again.
    I climb myself always with a zig-zag and a figure 8 for termination knot.
    I will definitely change this termination knot. I never thaugh a was putting myself at risk using a figure 8.
    Great video again

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      Thanks for sharing, take care!

    • @fromthebeginning6064
      @fromthebeginning6064 Před rokem

      Figure eight knot actually elimenates the problem he's talking about because you can make the loop longer and the knot will be completely out of the way of the chain. Just add a carabiner that has an isolator/captive on it so the loop cant spin around on the carabiner. You can also add a thick rubber band where the loop meets the biner to make the loop tight.

  • @patrickmcintyre5917
    @patrickmcintyre5917 Před rokem

    I prefer the anchor hitch. No issues🤙 also I roll the tail end of the hitch to the body side of the carabiner opposite of the gate so that I can open it freely without the tail interfering.

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      Thanks for sharing!

  • @dominicmogridge3920
    @dominicmogridge3920 Před rokem

    hey bino.thanks for researching and sharing.if we can save one life,we are winning.it's our lives depend on sharing possible issues.a hundred thousand blessings be upon you and yours.mad dog (57now but coming all my life.respect my friend .maddog.off grid working restricted access jobs in West cork.republic of Ireland.just subscribed unconditional love and safety

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      Very true spreading the word of safety can save lives! Thank you very much! Take care!

  • @juan-nq1pz
    @juan-nq1pz Před 2 měsíci

    Hola Bino! Mi cuerda no tiene splice,que nudo me recomiendas para utilizar con el zigzag anchor hitch o fisherman? Saludos

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před 2 měsíci

      I like the Double Fisherman's.

  • @christoherhenninger6401

    I’ve stopped using the zig zag on crane jobs on the last tree I removed a branch hit the device as the operator was moving me through the tree and it ran. I was double tied so nothing happened but it could have.

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem +1

      Wow, I think I would have to go home and clean my shorts. It's good everything worked out. Thanks for sharing!

  • @jeffcoon7160
    @jeffcoon7160 Před rokem

    I always start with an eye but it eventually gets removed and im forced to use a knot. Ive never slipped more than a few inches when using an anchor knot, though I prefer an eye any day. I'm quick to remove ten feet of the eye end (where the rope gets the hardest use) at the first sign of damage

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      Makes a lot of sense once it's had too much wear to cut some off and that's when using terminations help you to continue work.

  • @victorgutierrez5826
    @victorgutierrez5826 Před rokem

    Buen Video Bino H ...Antes de Tener una Curda con ""eye Splice"" yo subia con el ZigZag y le hacia un ""figure 8"" a la altura de mi cabeza y con Cinta electrica amarraba para hacerle el ""eye"" en la carabina asi no tenia problema con lo ""bulky"" del nudo y la parte del zigzag

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      Thanks for sharing!

  • @richscott2952
    @richscott2952 Před rokem

    I need a system for attachment to rope around concrete chimney to let me clean gutters safety that I can make long. / short one handed ?

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      I don't work on roof but have a look at this. czcams.com/video/L4IdBBT4V4U/video.html

  • @D-wreck13
    @D-wreck13 Před rokem

    Been using zigzag for years w/ an anchor hitch knot, no issues ever. I'm not sure how your rope is gonna run when you grab both legs.

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem +1

      Thanks for sharing. True if you are holding it tight it should not go anywhere. It does show it as a precaution on the manual though.

  • @justinzaff
    @justinzaff Před rokem

    Just make the loop of rope from your knot longer so it doesn't touch the go link of the ZZ and use a cable tie around the loop just above the top of the biner 👍

  • @kurtdussander4944
    @kurtdussander4944 Před rokem

    I suppose that’s still probably safer than how we use to do it in my day before the invention of ropes and the combustion engine.

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      Were you form the 3 strand days?

  • @angelovaldez7503
    @angelovaldez7503 Před rokem

    I’ve been using a knot for three years and I only put my carabiner on the second hole never the first hole cuz it will get stuck, never have I had it run

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      Thanks for sharing!

  • @jaytaylor1505
    @jaytaylor1505 Před rokem

    I use the anchor hitch with a not after the hitch and I haven't had any issues with it touching the zigzag so far. Enjoy your videos tho..

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem +1

      Nice, thanks for sharing!

  • @kingslew1866
    @kingslew1866 Před rokem +1

    Thanks Bino!

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      You're welcome!

  • @larryanderson8049
    @larryanderson8049 Před rokem

    not a climber, but could there be a cable loop or a rod with eyes on either end or a super long caribiner that would move the knot well above the zig zag?

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem +1

      That sounds like it could work but it would probably make the pulley bulky.

  • @recommit
    @recommit Před rokem

    Curious as to why you use the Zig Zag without the Chicane & SRT?
    Thats all I use these days.

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem +2

      A lot of people like MRS and feel the that this is one of the best MRS systems. I like SRS when I climb.

  • @digalobien
    @digalobien Před 5 měsíci

    Dude I have a question, I been using muy Zig Zag & Chicane with Drenaline for years and it just works perfect on SRS and MRS. I just got a blue moon rope 11.7, works ok with zig zag in MRS, but when i put the chicane on, the hole sistem slips, kind of dangerous. How is that possible or why do that happens?

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před 5 měsíci +1

      It may very what works well with the Zigzag. You may want to go back to the owners manual and check compatibility of ropes.

    • @digalobien
      @digalobien Před 5 měsíci

      @@BinoH makes sense, thanks for your answer. I have been using my Zig Zag with Chicane with teufelberger drenaline 11.8mm for years and it just works perfect on SRS and MRS. I tested the rope teufelberger fly 11.1 and works fine with zig zag plus mechanical device, even Zig zag allows 11.5 as minimum rope size. Why could slips with a 11.7 brand new rope in SRS?

  • @anthonyhospodavis5786

    Gr8 advice thanks

  • @jeancharlesstpierre3024

    Thanks Again for all those tips.

  • @zakariasayon691
    @zakariasayon691 Před rokem

    How much zig zac price in msian money boss

  • @1kbs11
    @1kbs11 Před rokem

    My novice untrained point of view: Not for me! I do think it is a convenient tool, but it is so easy to use that any twig, bump etc. could set it off. What they could do to make it safer is to reverse spring load it. Meaning; to activate the trigger release (descend) the device requires greater force to be applied against a spring. The spring job is to want the device to be in the locked position at all times requiring a greater force to release the trigger to descend. Or just shit can this device and buy one that is a better design. You can only fall to your death once. (JF)

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      I don't that it is that risky more to be aware of. Using a bulky termination can cause running. It is a nice system.

  • @thetruth5836
    @thetruth5836 Před rokem

    Thank you Bino

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      You're welcome!

  • @Andreyanswer
    @Andreyanswer Před rokem

    Thank you)

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      You're welcome!

  • @gibsmedat145
    @gibsmedat145 Před rokem

    Anchor hitch everyday with my zigzag, and have never had a problem.

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      Thanks for sharing!

  • @jamese9283
    @jamese9283 Před rokem

    With so many issues, why use the zig zag? There are so many other options.

    • @BinoH
      @BinoH  Před rokem

      Some people really like how smooth it works.

    • @mattmichael6792
      @mattmichael6792 Před 21 dnem

      With the ready availability of spliced eyes, there’s no reason to use a termination knot. Eyes eliminate the problems highlighted in this video, and they also save time which saves fatigue, and eliminate the possibility of knot tying errors which injure and kill tree workers regularly

  • @trickortrees2094
    @trickortrees2094 Před rokem

    Everything looks brand new and shiny. Climb with it a few seasons before trying to educate ppl on the fence about advancing their own skill and techniques