China's Special Drone Carriers Are Not What They Seem
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- čas přidán 19. 05. 2024
- Naval analyst HI Sutton identified a new drone aircraft carrier in China. What does it do? How significant is it as a naval asset?
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I don't think the wingspan issue is that severe. If it veers off course, it's not like the wings will get sheared off (unless it literally hits the island). If the tips of the wings go past the runway boundaries, nothing will happen. It's not like there's anything there to hit (besides the island).
I suspect that the reduced size of this drone carrier is to make it more expendable. Modern naval warfare favors the offense. It's always easier to hit a ship with a missile than to hit a missile with a missile. So making ships as small as possible while fulfilling the basic requirements is the way to go. Ships of this size, 100 meters long, can be manufactured very quickly in batches, like frigates. And since drones don't require trained pilots, staffing them will be much less of an issue.
Perhaps armed drones with full load of fuel can be an issue.
It's not for no reason that they've painted a boundary for the runway. A drone off the runway means a safety threat to the drone, the ship and the people on board.
It is not in fact automatically easier to hit a ship with a missile than a missile with one.
Missiles contain very little to often no electronic counter measures.
Nuclear aircraft carrier battle groups contain all of them in existence.
The fact is you cannot target an aircraft carrier due to EW from the distances needed.
GPS does not work within a carrier EW bubble.
live video feed does not work.
Radar would work given you close in but of course before you reach the carrier there exist combat air patrols and AWACS that will see you on approach.
But then again you don't have GPS or video so your going to need to use AI pilots for the drones plus interial guidance sensors like gyros and radio distance finder to determine distance to ground/sea and if you want to maintain swarming with the other drones you will need laser uplinks to keep them all in the loop and they will need to be made out of stealthy components except if you use naturally low visibility stuff like let's just say cardboard that wouldn't survive a week at sea but even if you use let's go plastics those will make it much easier for existing anti drone weapons because we already have the ability to target and fry drones electronics quite easily. Unshielded they'd be useless so now you need metal but that means you need to shape it to stealth and Jesus this is now getting heavy we'll need bigger wings and fuel and a larger motor and oh yay it's now literally more expensive than the missile that intercepts it.
1500 dollar drones make complete sense for reaching out a few miles.
Across the 500 miles you'd need to cross of open ocean to reach a carrier battle group, it's pointless.
@@sparkzbarca thats why i always say tactical nukes are the best counter to carrier fleets
Perhaps China figured out any amphibious landing needs protection from a kamikaze drone swarm. The high speed of the catamaran hull would help to position itself where its hundreds of anti-drone drones swarming everywhere within 10 km provides protection. Right now drone swarms are quickly getting bigger. They are like the introduction of tanks during WW1 (a few of them were used with lessons learned, then a large number were used together in one battle with much improved combined tactics for overwhelming success).
Yeah, now lets see how well swarms handle active denial jamming systems, and overwhelming overloads of energy surging through them frying them. Wonder how well they will fly after that?
@@iNSOMNISTREAMNah...it's impossible to jam everywhere all at once. Take down a thousand and another thousand will hit their target no matter what, not to mention preemptive missile strikes on key locations from land air and sea.
@@iNSOMNISTREAM It already show off by US navy ships and Hauthi drones. US ships just run away 😭
@@mydad156 Uhh yeah sure buddy. If the US wanted they could have levelled Iran back to the stone age along with their Houthis lackey.
Only reason they won't do so is because the top administration isn't filled with people like Bush anymore where they can just nilly willy invade another country and come up with a bogus reason for it.
@@iNSOMNISTREAM"JamMer This High EnErgy tHat"
A 300 year old Tech that's standard on Military Drones called Faradays Cage be like 👁👄👁
Also Russian EW Jammer sure are working well against Ukrainian FPV drones. And EW are probably the only admittedly good hardware the Russians have.
Goofy goober ass lol.
Perhaps China will perfect precision autonomous drone landings using quick reaction large flaps and an additional rudder on top of the fuselage at the front. To avoid the Island, drones don’t have to land in the middle of the runway; their landing gear could touch down 2 or 3 meters from the deck edge with one wing over the deck and the other wing sticking out past the deck.
The air pressure differences/ground effect has me thinking that if they try to land half on half off they will barrel roll into the ocean since
@@mikeymike9926 that’s why wing flaps will lift harder on the overhang side, well within the control flight envelope. The rudder on top of the fuselage at the front provides the ability to move the nose sideways without having to use the tail rudder to move the tail in the opposite sideways direction which would put the tail at risk.
For all intent or Purpose, it might not operating UCAV as traditional carrier "per se"
rather than carry UAV like Reaper or byakathar
It carry Suicide Drone like Shahed or Loitering munitions like "naval" lancets
Amphibious support not Sea Control - role
from Dimension, it could easily carry and launch 100 shahed. stored in container like racks bellow deck
It's a testbed
Sounds like we need to test our dragon swarm munitions
No need for a deck to launch a suicide drone, though,
PLA is interesting in military
PLA is an ARMY, military is one of the most important feature of it. Otherwise, what should it be interested in? Charity?
@@hamstermomocoCharity, yeah...they're involved with plenty of disaster and humanitarian missions too
@@accountantthe3394 LOL 🤦♂
They’re here to liberate you
@@tiberianexcalibur Liberate from life
Perhaps a small landing platform will serve as a transit/refueling pad for helicopters between the mainland and Taiwan or islands in S China Sea. Also there will be a need to launch smaller sized drone swarms. Such a large deck could simultaneously launch hundreds of militarized drones (think in terms of DJI’s finest quad copters but 1 meter propeller blades & carrying 10 times the weight). Or perhaps the small decks will allow continuous presence of helicopter/quadcopter within 100 km. The catamaran hull should be stable in rough seas and allow decent speed in littoral waters surrounding Taiwan and in South China Sea.
A drone carrier will be smaller than a jet fighter with pilot.
A drone will be smaller but can carry a payload as jetfighter.
such a large deck is also capable of launching VTOL aircraft as well
Unlike planes, drones are super light. They don’t need long runways.
Everything can do short take-off as long as your aircraft have a lot uplift force
Hence some Drone still need to shoot with capacult
My theory is that "drone carrier" is a technological demonstrator to test drone operations, specifically drone launching and recovery, not an actual operational drone carrier. As such, it doesn't need a large hanger deck, which would be required for actual combat operations.
With regards to launching and recovering, a consideration would be the catamaran speed. Sailing high speed into the wind may faciliate drone launching and recover depending on their stall speeds on short runways.
STOL ucavs like the Mojave would make sense from this time of platform. The significant endurance of uavs would also be a reason the flight deck isn't designed for simultaneously launch and recovery ops as the loitering time wouldn't require a constant change of in air aircraft.
i believe drone carriers will bring back in fashion rocket assisted take ofs
You’re right, they’re brand new mobile coral reefs ready for deployment into the sea
anyone who is serious to consider how various equipments will impact the direction of war, will be far more concerned about how fast those equipments can be manufactured every year, instead of certain amout of equipment one country has at a given time. In such sense, necessary production capability, ability to expand the infrastructure, skilled workers, manufacturing lead time, maintenance lag time etc are crucial factors to evaluate. Stalin was negotiating with Roosevelt and Churchill on post war arrangements while German troops were still outside Moscow. The confidence came fromt the fact that both Soviet and US annual production of war aircrafts exceeded 2000 while Germany made far below 2000s every year and shrinking. As a chinese I hope the hot headed warmongers in some western countris do please take the above into consideration, and not to incite conflicts similar to Ukrain in Asia. Asian cultures are slow in decision making process, but once direction is set, they will not easily change the course either and ask for maximum sacrifice from its people and fight with lasting endurance. It is perfectly acceptable if you do not like sertain country or people, its your democratic right as a citizen of the planet, but miscalculation caused by simplification and distortion due to propaganda will have dire concequence on common people, and it is the common people who will suffer most. I beg the most learned, intetellectural and patriotic readers of the channerl to review the Korean war chapter and use the brilliant US soilders wisely.
I don't think there is a risk of US attacking China. We've seen in Ukraine that there is a great deal of hesitancy and caution about even having the appearance of supporting the direct attack of Russia, even by proxy. US would saber rattle and sanction and raise a fit because it's only the USA that can attack and invade other nations - but toe to toe would most likely spell the destruction of the planet.
You are assuming take off and landings follow a centerline. If the landing/takeoff aircraft centerline is biased away from the island, larger wingspan drones are possible.
I love small carriers!!!
14 seconds ago is crazy
Haha very impressive
What are you doing with your life, go to the gym. get off your ars e
if the Drone has a taill hook maybe it can back land to Carrier
The first nation to understand how the wars of the future would be fought and to draw practical conclusions from this.
"one way drone operation" ME THINKS this is spot on.
Sometimes people love to think China builds secret weapon
We all know China isn't obligated to do a full English introduction just for them...
The juxtaposition of "secret hidden project" and being built in the open near other projects also seems a bit strange.
@@MorbidEel open secret?
No they just make a bunch of cg videos of things that were swiped from us that werent utilized because theyre impractical or only looked good on paper.
@@iNSOMNISTREAMnot CG. Maybe look again with better glasses. Nothing you said makes any sense.
@@user-mhgu6om9mj2t i didnt say this specific one was cg. Most are though however. A lot of concept stuff that looks good on paper, but not practical in use. Read again with better glasses. Over the years its exactly what has happened time and time again. Its what happens when you let a two faced mentality populous work alongside you trying to make relations better. They just end up taking all the work youve done, and stab you in the back with it due to something they cant get over and hold grudges over rather than trying to move forward. Its definitely showing today more than ever peace was never chinas goal, it was to take over as much it could. People can call b.s. on that all they want but its constantly trying to grab new land to expand its borders. Makes trade deals it know the ones its making deals with have no possible way to pay them back just for the purpose of gaining control over them instead of trying to actually help anything beside itself. Usa of course make deals that were benificial to it but at the same time helped others where we could and even some that didnt benifit us. China hasnt done anything but try to trap anyone and everyone it can into owing it so it has diplomatic power and is on a set course of if they cant have it then noone can, and are showing by their researches and zero limits, especially ones that are very taboo for anyone with a brain not good areas to mess with like bio weapons, genetic and bioengineering, chemical warfare, nuclear, and anything amd everything. Unlike the usa who stopped developing new nuclear weapons on a good gesture to set level to at least start moving away from wars with such destructive weapons in a path for peace between nations. Most of the world was doing pretty well as far as how well globalisation was working. Yeah conflicts here and there but for the population of earth, not really that bad at all when compared to history.
Back to the point though, most things china shows off are either not even operational, parked somewhere and not in use, or in concept form in a animation showing what has been drawn up, which a lot of the time is something stolen from others. China may not consider it stealing, but the majority of the world does. China acts like it wants to move forward and do good for the world but everyday it keeps inching everyone closer to the next world war with its immature antics it tries to act like is nothing but is hostility. Like come on a weather satellite it claims, then immediately after it comes online like any spoiled kid with no self control runs and shows everyone it lied by showing a picture of the usa carriers in a dock, great job admiting your word means nothing and cant be trusted as it showed exactly what it was really for, spy satellite, but sad thing is, we already expected theres spy sats out there so if china just got theirs out there then its further behind than what could be expected. A population of 1.4b vs a population of little under 400m, and a history of 5000 years, china should be much more advanced long ago, not playing catch up and then act as condescending as it does.
One thing i do find funny though, it keeps trying to buy land in the usa thinking it becomes chinas, but our land doesnt work that way. Just like in china, foreignors cant buy land here for keeps. When the united states became the united states, an agreement was made that once each state was locked in to being part of the united, they couldnt receed or change ownership. That means any trade of land that would transfer the land over to another nation is not allowed as it would breach that original agreement. So its basically just a rental agreement at best.
For real, that looks more like a naval drone survey platform...
I think it's more of a test bed, it has no sensors and no elevators
@@elmanco6885 Test bed shall have those thing equipped (to trace drone in test fly), this feels more of a survey platform for smaller fixed wing drone, and it does not need to venture far from coastline... Maybe for close shore survey?
New type of warfare!
True, having a big carrier will become a huge liability and target. Simple to take out by lots (in the thousands) of incoming drones.
Cpp tofu shiip is joek. An dheir droon wiil foll fram skai laik flaiis 🤣. Amerikkan 7th fleet caan easii defeet cpp
@@jaihindersingh just fix the damn toilet indiot
US already have drone carriers. China PLAN has nothing.
@@bertiesworld ah yes just fu*king figures how you launch whole damn drone in first place
And why Ukrainians and Russian still do WWI fight instead of spam sh*t load of missiles to eachother
The design is good looking.
Whatever it is, it looks very interesting. Perhaps intended to at least evaluate STOL drone systems as you mention, or perhaps for some other purpose entirely? We will probably know soon enough, and it is FAR cheaper to build (in bulk) that larger carriers.
Imagine being one of the flight crew on a drone carrier,
I see China has gone back to the ww2 japanese carrier philosophy: specialize for one thing and hope the next carrier has something to pick up the slack (it won’t).
🧐新型的武库舰！搭载的武器只不过是各种无人机，要知道新型j20可以在保持隐形的情况下指挥至少4架无人机僚机。
Watching this before work
Beautiful champ
Thanks man!
Wild idea, but redoing I-400 using drones
Am getting USS Wolverine vibes small ship no hanger this is probably a UAV/UCAV Helicopter training ship something that UAV operators and helo crews can train on without having to use an actual aircraft carrier or LHA like Wolverine this ship is likely as big as it needs and may have no emergency wartime role outside of wartime training for the Z-20 and Z-10 and Z-21 and UAV's on a actual LHA or CV
Turkey already has their drone carrier ready to start sea trials if I recall last year. Their carrier was supposed to host F-35B's but US refused to sell them to Turkey so it will only carry helicopters and drones, supposedly the world's first fighter aircraft drones.
PLA❤
☝️🙄 must be ccp
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Thanks to these English language "teachers" in China, now the west knows. 👍👏👏👏🤣🤣🤣
Wow! Now I got something else to build in 1:72 :(
That’s to carry all the people swept downstream when the dam breaks.
Get excited for the latest tofu-dreg carrier! 10 naval commanders get a medal every time it makes it from shore to shore
To me it seems it will only operate patrol drones and not UCAVs.
Turkiye has a similar vessel! In serviced in 2023.
Another Dreadnaught moment IMO.
Where is the link to HI Sutton's article?
So basically it's a float with a motor
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It’s the carrier from Carrier Commander 2!
😂😂 fun game
Not the worlds first drone carrier; I believe Turkey has already built one
mostly not a bettle ship, for maritime drone, a much bigger one will be favorable, even GZ11 is not big enough. small drone fly slower and lower which means higher risk of being intercepted, carries little anti ship missile even much smaller than yj83 which means no harm to 8000ton destroyers,
a mig 21 sized drone with a internal bombing bay will be more favorable, if it are stealthy and can carry at least a yj62 will be better, this kind of thing requires at least the size of 076, wing-loong 2 can do nothing on sea, you can not expect sink an enermy destroyer with agm114 hellfire, it can fly for 12 hours -- before meet enermy SM2, that thing will shoot down wingloong 2 in 180 seconds
It would be far easier by arming the ship with YJ-62s or heavier missiles and just use simpler and lighter drones to seek targets.
@@tvgerbil1984 sensors are still heavy in weight and huge in size
an advanced aesa radar with range of more than hundreds kilometers beyond range of American carrier group optical can easily affected by bad weather
at least a wz8 or GZ11 or MQ58 sized drone can actually carry this kind of thing, these drones are not small at all
you may think about numbers may make up for this but how many smaller drones can warship actually carries, that is the problem
how many drones can finally survive and guide anti ship missiles is actually counts
when thinking of a world war, i always over estimate enermy and under estimate PLA navy, i can not afford a single failure, i think admirals of peoples navy think so
Innovation in design in real time!
这是一艘专用靶船
Special drone carrier? More like a mock-up toy!
Mass production drone carrier
I love the way you say catamaran
So many know it all’s that know nothing more than what someone else told them. This comment section is full of military strategists and financial advisors.
Actually the new toys of China's navy that you are saw just like a tip of iceberg,a lot of more secrets toys they're hidden in the part of the iceberg that down under sea level,we need know
Before they can finish that project Thier leader Winnie the Pooh will die due to old age
China work very fast..
Now this is where the investments should be! smaller carriers especially drone carriers! and LHDs and not on Standard Carriers or Super Carriers! The Fujian better be the last of those expensive behemoths; oh and China better not go the nuclear powered ship path, the battles will be held near China, those things sinking would be an environmental disaster!
drone carriers are not an adequate replacement for larger fleet/super carriers, mainly to carry aircraft too large and heavy for these small drone carriers. Keep in mind that small drones have much more limited range, speed, and payload than larger aircraft do, and there are no drones out there capable of replacing AWAC aircraft, which are a vital component in any air force and naval air arm.
Plausible interpretation of Imagery Intelligence and - unlike Sutton - some _structural context_ of the Chinese ship building industry.
No well-deck = no _combat_ drone carrier, but likely a _target_ drone platform as indicated by the yard's expertise...
无人机航母可以围绕美国24小时巡航，这就是自由航行。
FURUNOのレーダーセンサーだ。
China will build an Arsenal Bird one day.
I think H.I.Sutton has a more credible track record than this character. His opinion seems to be based on existing ships and operating procedures.
HIS is less biased.
Maybe the ship will launch bomb-laden kamikaze drones which are not supposed to return!
Paper tiger😂😂😂
shinajin-kuso
Basically, China ISN'T hiding them to keep them "secret"
They just make them and NOT overhype them with a special promotional video like most american weapons these days.
Right, we chinese develop military is not aim to intimidate and threat someone, it is a actually a 'defence' force. We do not attempting show this to the country who is not intent to invade China.
Suicide drones? 😮 thought of that
someone in the CCP has been playing carrier command 2 lol
it's just a ferry ship😅
Please show these in Britain and France.
zan
no1 remembers trump n musk saying if we want drone we can make drones
im a fan just cuz its cute
Wow taking shots at an industry bigwig like HI Sutton but can’t pronounce catamaran
So funny to fear monger about any other navy in the world as the USA.. ahahahah
No arrest cables, china no vtol drones
内容不错，就是为什么读个稿子也不找个口语专业的
Hope they have plenty of lifeboats for the damage control crew onboard.
好丑
Star Wars: The Clone Wars? Nah
World Wars: The Drone Wars, Yes
They copy that project in the avengers movie for sure an american movie.. China in best in the in copy paste
...Because spy satellites can't see ships???
Locust drone-swarming techology; e g. 10,000 drones, big, medium and small swarming a fleet group backed by 3,000 hypersonic missiles. The Houthis used only 100 drones and no missile but the US warships started running away. 😂😂😂😂
3000 missiles ?!?!! That is so much missiles though , like 300 would be very large too
@@BloodySnow8 You must have overwhelming force to ensure every ship in a fleet must be sunk. Underwater drone technology and deep sea research which the Chinese have been doing for decades now will pose a nightmare to enemy submarines in the Western Pacific. With the satellites monitoring the entire region, China must ensure that those who come for war and including the 313 military bases, will never have a chance to have the next mess. This is the reality and China must not back away from; it's either them or us.
@@BloodySnow8mid range will do
You have no idea what those words even mean do you?
10,000 drones would be useless to engage a carrier battle group and 3,000 hypersonic missiles would cost something on the order of 100 billion Dollars.
Which makes it about as expensive as ALL ELEVEN AIRCRAFT CARRIERS IN THE US FLEET.
so your proposal is to launch 12 carriers worth of disposable munitions at a battle group.
With by he way still no guarantee of success
@@sparkzbarcaThat's the MIC price you're quoting plus the kick back to you too; China could manufactured those weapons for under $10 B or maybe even less. Those weapons are meant for just one fleet, maybe two or three carriers and thirty destroyers and if not enough, quantity will never be a problem. The sole aim is never to let the warmongers see the sunshine again.
Worlds first: Turkey 🇹🇷
U.S, China, Russia, French, uk, india, Pakistan, Japan. S Korea, Italy, then turkey….. long way to go.
@@aj777mc8 None of them have a dedicated AC for drones !!!
Yes turkey has the edge on this one, but is it dedicated only to drones?
狗中哈士奇，国中土耳其！😂
Apparently nobody listened to video and did any real research.
In reality, the Chinese ship is in NO WAY capable of deploying a "swarm" of explosive drones. That's not the purpose. The purpose is to carry maybe up to two dozen full size drones and support helicopters in order to counter beach landings.
Essentially it's a smaller, quicker aircraft carrier that can launch light aircraft in order to defend against marine assault forces.
If any military wanted to just launch a swarm of small drones then they could do that from virtually any warship. Dedicating an entire ship to swarm drones is nonsense. They are creating individual missiles that can break open into hundreds of explosive target-seeking drones. A couple pods that launch those will eventually be on every ship.
Shahid Mahdavi and Shahid Bagheri are Iran's first drone carriers. Apparently these are very large ships which carry drones and little else. The iranians probably believe these are not nonsense and suit their style of asymmetric warfare.
CCP r&d
So Stupid, World's First Dedicated Drone Carrier... Ha... What a Crock, Turkey already has and is operating one... Shows how little this Channel Knows, this Channel and or Chinese Propaganda!
Xi't class (pronounced shit class)
Thats all you can do? Sourgrape bigtime! 😅😅😅
@@julianchung9215 we the west invented everything that china copies because china can't invent, BIG TIME 🤣😂🤣😂
@@julianchung9215 you are already suffering as you must like a commie dog, sure there is more we can do, we can Xi't you
If you hate leave then annoying westerner
@@user-mc2oc6jw9qKeep barking, dog. That's all you can do anyway😂
china have built this and that , china will lose here and there 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Likely lost inside your narrow rear orifice.
I don't think so time will say
@@fujifurov671 actually time has shown. In 5000 years, chinas has fallen many times because it gets to overconfident and into itself, then another nation sees to its fall. Now its choosing to start a fight with the nation that helped it get where it is, which is sad being chinas 5k years of history by its claims, and have over 1 billion population, yet its struggled to catch up and pass one of the youngest nations in recent history.
好了, 你好好想想 :
- 俄烏是接鄰的, 一遍平原無險可守都變成這樣, 共軍要打台灣還要過台海, 會贏嗎?
- 現在你俄爹用正貨都在烏克蘭被打趴了, 共軍用的都是你俄爹不要的廢鐵/次貨, 共軍會怎死法呀?
- 台灣不同阿富汗, 台灣是美國的"不沉戰艦", 美國不想干涉台海問題了? 發什麼夢?
- 再說, 若果共軍侵台美國不干涉而又真的得手, 下一步進犯的就是日本的尖閣列島(釣魚台列島), 北韓也會南侵南韓, 所以共軍一對台出手, 美國即使不想打日韓都會挾美國一齊下場打, 終蟈要一次過對付多國, 有勝算嗎?
- 北約/美國都只是向烏克蘭遞武器沒有下場打, 你俄爹在烏克蘭給打趴了; 共軍犯台美, 日, 韓, 澳都會親自下場打, 共軍對付得了嗎?
- 最後, 看你俄爹在烏克蘭的表現, 就知道共軍用除了每年10.1閱兵表演一下"軍秀"之外, 就是養來殺手無寸鐵的平民的紙老虎吧, 即使美國袖手旁觀, 共軍也打不贏吧~~~~~
冷靜一點, 深呼吸一下
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@@EurasiaNavalu shouldn’t reply those Taiwan idiots in Chinese, they r so uneducated and uncivilized.