Can’t help but SMILE! 😊 | Zepla watches FFXIV Creators React to THAT SONG [Dawntrail]
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Remember when we lay there, on the brink of defeat facing Emet, our friends broken and battered? Ardbert, alone with us in our mind, asking us if we thought we thought we could fight if we had the strength to rise again? Then he lowers his axe to us, and the Shadowbringers theme breaks the silence as we are rejoined with Ardbert, ready to face down a living legend that was a threat to the existence of the star? And the chills that came with that first strum? The feeling invoked by this moment in Dawntrail was the direct, polar opposite of that moment.
That's because unlike dawntrail we are given a new hope in a hopeless situation where the lyrics of shadowbringers theme starts to make sense as its a do or die situation with a character we grew to love and even though was LITERALLY TIED TO US AND WATCHING US EVERY SINGLE TIME, had the respect to not be nagging us all the time. Realizes to save what's left of his world and home and save yours gives himself up to rejoin with you and possibly have the power to stop Emet's plan in a heartfelt moment of light surrounded by the darkness of your friends on the brink of dying and you are the only one left to currently stop him.
Meanwhile dawntrail has a bad Disney song that plays when you have a build a bomb montage with a childish story without any build up for this "payoff" to work
No, don't remember.
I remember that Emet Selch fought and lost for no reason while none of the Scions (as usual) even got a scar from it.
And all this with ZERO idea of any of the what is actually going on nor ANY plan what the should even do. It's simply just "lol, we got plot armor, we can't die anyway, lol".
This is actually better - because it is more honest. It's now really just 100% war propaganda as it has been since SB, including the stupid music to it.
And whenever did anyone face down Hydaelyn Venat or its mindless executioner and his crazy terror buddies? Never see that happen. You know, that thing that slaughtered the whole planet, ripped it apart including all life on it, disorted that life to torture it for 10.000 years with the absurd idea to create one super soldier out of it to kill that bird thing, what could have EASILY been killed by the original life without ANY problem and what in the end did not really work out at all anyway, because, let's be real, Zenos killed it. WoL could have doen shit, standing there, shitting his or her pants - what was by that way ANOTHER time (and not even the second but the x-th time) where they just ran in without any clue, without any plan, all just "lol, we got plot armor anyway, we can't die, we can't lose, let's just piss against a wall, that should do the trick."
The only threat to the existence of the start were:
a) Venat by ripping it apart.
b) WoL and Scions by fighting for Venat against those who want to undo this and heal the planet (what is by the way the MAIN SOURCE of power of the WoL, since it was the Ascians who had saved the majority of shards by reuniting them with the source and by that also made it possible for the WoL to have a far less fractured soul. - What by the way must have been the plan of Venat, because that time travel bullshit was used as a reason for her idea, so not only was the plan to fracture the planet and all life into 14 pieces, but also that the majority of those pieces must die and be reunited with the source again for this f**** up shit to work out (what makes no sense anyway, because the WoL never got any idea of what is going on and is just killing what they are pointed at after some nodding and how should they even know before, that they would win?)
Zodiark was the one who had protected all this the whole time, was never Venat, without Zodiark the distorted live would just have died instantly.
The remaning shards will just die, the First was never saved, since it's still burned to the ground, with catboy, with the worst kind of time travel writing ever, sacrificed the source (what is suddenly possible to create addfitional timelines, even though Alexander was all about that this is not possible and time travel simlpy making everything worse), didn't even care to at least go far enough back to stop the collapse at all.
Now you got a dead planet that will collapse sooner or later anyway, since it was shit enough to die like that befoer and now it's just 100000 times worse but simply without the souls being saved by returning to the Source and on top of that the 13th stays ruined, too (and that after it was made clear, that this was never some evil plan of the remaining Ancients, but simply their first try to save all life and go against Venat's insanity, but life was so utterly ruined and distorted by her, that it wasn't possible like that).
FF14 COULD have been an in intersting story, if it would have taken all this, make you the stupid bad guy who blindly follows a mega fascsits, but then turns around, works together with Garlemald and the Ascians to find a solution to stop ultra slaughter death god Venat and save the planet, maybe by finding better way to reuinte them or balance it out somehow (it's not like the Ascians never tried, it never worked otherwise, because thanks to blind fanatics like WoL and Scions, it was always about mass murder and war against the idea to heal the planet, so the only way left was to use this ).
@@miriamweller812 This argument makes a lot of sense, if you ignore the part about how Zodiark tempered the ascians, forced them to rejoin the worlds no matter the cost in order to put himself back together (the "why" you seemed to be missing as to why we fought Emet in the first place), and the part about how Zodiark would require more sacrifices over time in order to sustain himself, thus ultimately destroying the people he was created to save.
Venat sundering everyone ended up being the only reason anyone was saved, because it was dynamis (not aether) that could stop the Endsinger, and a complete ancient was too aetherically powerful to control dynamis. Also Venat sundering the world actively stopped more people from sacrificing themselves to Zodiark, an act that would have further contributed to the self-inflicted doom of the world. It also bought them time, because a sundered Zodiark still managed to hold back the Endsinger, while also not being able to temper anyone else or demand any more souls. Now, if you want to take credit away from Venat, because she had no way of knowing that sundering everyone would help stop an enemy they didn't understand yet, that's valid. She definitely lucked into a solution with her stall tactic. But it doesn't change the fact that her actions were the only thing that saved the source, and that the Garleans and Ascians were simply tools for Zodiark's resurrection, rather than the solution to any problem.
All that said, I actually enjoyed getting in thought exercises with people in my FC about how it would have been better if we could have sided with Emet and helped him rejoin the source, and playing devil's advocate. Argue that the ancients were superior to the broken people of the current source. And how it would have been more satisfying to stand with Emet and Elidibus, at the end of days, fully rejoined, and help them change their fate. And I think in a single player game, it would have been a really cool "bad end" storyline to explore. But at the end of the day, the magic the ancients controlled so well was also the very reason they couldn't stop the calamity, and the rejoined Azem would have simply died with their friends against a foe they couldn't beat.
Ultimately, I agree that it's not a perfect story. And if someone is cynical enough, they can ruin anything. But there is enough of a foundation there for it to be a cool moment, if you decide to engage with it and give it the benefit of the doubt.
@@miriamweller812 I rate your media literacy 3/10.
ZODIARK TRANCE.
@@miriamweller812 too long, not worth reading.
"world charity fundraiser song" is P E R F E C T lmaoooooo
"This item can not be discarded..." Yeah, they knew what they were doing.
Who made this song, U2?
SMILE WHILE WE'RE MAKING A BOOOOOOMB!
🎶 gonna blow a hole in that wall!
I get that they are trying to show a community coming together with each person/group bringing something valuable and the result being greater than the sum of its parts. My Brothers in Halone, we are at war.
But, Luk Lamat is the great unifier or something...
This moment in Dawntrail felt like waiting for a fireworks show, only for said fireworks to fall down, spin around on the ground and shoot sideways into the neighbour's dog.
That is scary accurate
Naw, Zepla's response was what was happening internally for everyone else. It was just too visceral to hold in for her and bubbled over with a "No!".
If I should come to an unfortunate and sudden end in the near future, I demand my FC play this orchestrion roll on my ingame funeral.
I was Jesse in that moment. "Yay! Let's build a bomb!"
dawntrail needs a cringe count. Not a cry count.
That last phase of trial 3.....
@@kelathos listen to me
@@kelathosEverkeep has plenty of its own cringe as well.
there's normal cringe, and there's "my day is ruined" cringe. trial 3 had the second one. For the first time since I started playing, I went through the credits being depressed at what I witnessed.
Here I was thinking Zep had encountered "Smile! Goes with anything (Savage)"
Next react please!!!
Smile makes me miss Machinations in my cutscenes...
Smile is not only tonally ridiculous for FFXIV, but it plays at the weirdest, most jarring times. It is just LOUD in a bad way. Not to mention how pitchy and badly mastered the song is in general.
Apple: You have U2's new album on your phone, and YOU CAN'T REMOVE IT!
Squeenix: Hmmm....
I'm just so mad that they did the FFX expansion this dirty.
I think you mean FFIX
@@Ariastyr it have both
@@Ariastyr there were definitely a couple allusions to 10- Mamook basically being Macalania woods (Gorgeous rendition btw) The endless plot is very similar to the summoners of Zanarkand wanting to *End the dream* so to speak.
I disagree with everyone saying the song is “fine”. I would love a musician to come in and rip it apart because imo it’s objectively a poorly made song. That doesn’t mean people aren’t allowed to like it, you can totally like it, but this is NOT high quality music, especially compared to the bangers FFXIV is known for.
What were they THINKING ?!
Time to fire some people Yoshi P.
I was lightly cursing when that happened.
What the hell was the thinking behind this? "We just had Wuk Lamat see her own brother kill their father and slaughter dozens of innocent civilians she was supposed to protect and sent her on a mission to kill said brother. And once she's inside the barrier, it'll be a bit of a downer too, to find out that her nurse maid is dying of old age... you think that's too depressing? I've got it! Let's make the battering ram look goofy and have them assemble it over a funny montage to a happy song!"
This is the kind of stupid emotional whiplash that had me drop One Piece 200 chapters in...
Thankfully we go back to a far better balance of seriousness and levitiy from here on out, but this... this is just atrocious.
For this situation, imo, we needed a war song. Something to hype up that we're finally taking it to the enemies doorstep, finally we are getting a sliver of action after all the snooze we've been through. And since we're in the "wild wild west" as well, give me some Good Bad and the Ugly mixed with heavy drums and some electric guitar.
If it just played at the end, it would have been fine. It didn't need to play anywhere else.
Sometimes I wonder if Soken does this just to fuck with people. This is the same guy that ripped apart La Hee at Fanfest, and played it dead serious. He's a God among composers, but also a huge troll.
It made even less sense at the end honestly. Two people in our party just pulled the plug on their own parents, and then we arguably committed genocide. And then we listen to SMILE? Like excuse me?
@@VorpalVixen I actually disagree. The whole point of Living Memory is, avoiding loss is an illusion. Everything is supposed to end, and even the so-called Endless, themselves, were ready to go.
Life goes on. The only thing you can do is remember who you lost, and then find a reason to smile again. It could have worked at the end, in my opinion, but we can agree to disagree.
@@natebroadus8474 Totally valid, I can see as a message that concept working. For me personally the tone is still way too upbeat; I would prefer something thoughtful and maybe even somber at the beginning, but ending on a hopeful note. But obviously that’s an opinion thing.
I don't even hate this song, don't love it either but it's whatever to me. Playing it during the train montage was fucking hilarious though for all the wrong reasons lol
Unless your a complete Yes-man, I think everyone got emotional whiplash during Smile at the train bomb scene... During the dawnservant it was just cringe and bad, but it did kinda fit... during that train scene... Hell no... During the end credits it wasnt bad, but the fact that the main theme plays immediately after it, showing how much better it is, killed it.
Game is shit like this since SB. It just got worse and worse and worse. With this extrem, even the most blind and stupid see it, but even that won't change much.
Remember SB, when you fight for whatever reason for the return of a pretty disgusting monarchy and mass murder who knows how many thousand civilians by flodding the civilian section of the castle? All with some funk music, because, yeah, war crimes for tyrannic monarchist! Awesome!
Hell, that place's main problem were the former monarchists keep on fighting, hiding behind civilians! Another war crime. Then the WoL and (even worse) the Scions come in - by the way for the SOLE REASON to abuse this for a distraction, that was the plan, to create havoc in another country, so Garlemald would send their army there to crush it, what they wanted to exploit (another and even more disgusting warcrime) - all just gets way worse.
Oh, and what did the former prince and new king do after this? While Garlemald is kind enough to overlook this whole insanity (including summons of more primals = beings which could easily destroy the planet by brainwashing millions and endlessly growing in power) and NOT crash down on it)? Right, he pulls them right back into war.
And don't forget, how he abuses the tribes people in the north for all this, who got NOTHING to do with it and if Garmelad would be an evil empire would simply cease to exist, since they would wiped out. Another war crime.
War crime after war crime after war crime and all fot what? Greed.
Ala Migho's mainproblen weren't the Garleans, but thos 'resistence' guys. If they woul have helped the people instead of attacking GUARDS(!) (what is the very thing you do for them, backstabbing people who secure the roads), Ala Migho would simply be a peaceful, prospering counry, which could really need the trade and technology, being mainly rock desert.
Don't forget what the first thing is we do after all this: we sell them out to a bunch of oligarchs, so they can now work as slaves in a salt mine... yay!
The game is shit like that for a VERY long time. People simply don't get it, because the story just tells you, that all of this is fine. It's like watching a war propagand movie - a german one from 1940. "Be a good soldier, always follow orders, never ask questions, the enemy is evil, no matter what, we are good, no matter what, so nod and kill."
@@miriamweller812 Okay Varis. we all know this is your alt account. you're not fooling anyone.
The main theme sucks too. The very first trailer reveal had serious red flags about the music.
'how do I mute it?'
Well you see, Dawntrail was patched in with the chat command /bgm in the game. So you can mute the song during the cutscene.
So I wasnt gaslighting myself when I swore I remembered /bgm not working *during* a cutscene before?
@@viysnjor4811 It totally does work during cutscenes. Dunno why it wouldn't for you. Did you typo or something? Fat finger a key during it?
@@viysnjor4811 You were not, it didn't work during cutscenes until DT launched.
@@rednova2212 No I'm saying it didn't used to, I know you can now lol
@@viysnjor4811 Ah, well damn.
Thank you for reacting to my shitpost Zepla pls don't forget to SMILE :) :) :)
That was a very cringe song. So stupidly saccharine kumbaya I was scared my diabetes would flare up. Remember during Covid when those celebrities tried to do a sing-along on their selfie cams? Yes that level of bad.
I mean did it work for the Japanese audience? Is it just us mean Westerners that hated it?
Considering the reception for Dawntrail and its Mary S--I mean its main supporting character Wuk Lamat was pretty disgruntled on JP as it was for NA, I'd say they dislike it too.
Lamatodd captures it perfectly, a truly wtf moment!
Probably the most bizarre song ever placed in an FF game. Ever.
Am I the only one who didn't have a reaction like that when the music started? XD I absolutely loved that scene :D
A Smile Better Suits A Hero ~Silver Fuller.
Not now Haurchy, not now. Later.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the song. Just the placement.
Yeah at this point I was skipping all the cutscenes and chat. I gave up once I realised 80% of the quest objectives were "Speak to Wuk Lamat"
Same. And I have NEVER Done that in an FF game before...
I totally forgot this song existed. I 100% zoned out at this part.
This song along with the placement is just so Dawntrail.
Hopefully they patch out the lyrical version in the cut scene for the next update
careful guys, you'll be called racist by Sena Bryer if you dislike SMILE xdd
Yeah shes insufferable for saying that.
@@extinctbaryonyx He
@@JustinStrife 'She', dont go there. Thanks.
@@extinctbaryonyx funny how she wanted to be validated as a woman but keep using trans woman as if it's a title. That's a trans, not 'She'
@@extinctbaryonyx He. I don't play pretend.
As a Dawntrail MSQ enjoyer, I must say...
I fucking hate this song LOL
The song in isolation isn't bad but it is
1, not my cup of tea anyways, and
2, definitely did not belong in FF14
Honestly, I think the song sucks AND it was a terribly timed moment for it. I hated it here and during the credits. This is the first expansion where I cringed because of the music and I've been here since the 2.0 beta
Captain Malcolm Reynolds once said: "I'm going to show you a world without sin" and then popped this Orchestral scroll in and had the entire universe listen to it and cry out in terror.
I liked the song. It reminded me of the end credits to PSO2 episode 3 “Hello”.
I recommend Wuk Lamat live, its a song using comments as lyrics, and its hilarious and well made.
They should just played "The A Team" theme
Or McGuyver. Or a bunch of other themes from the 80s. Would have been a million times better.
i skipped this cutscene :)
One has to learn the skill of determining which cutscenes arent important, sad as it may be. I have to say it was put tp use much more this expansion
@@janekgaganek3871 You could skip most of the story, and nothing of value would be lost.
I think yoship forgot to play the game becoz of elden ring ??
Accdg. to someone who should not be named, apparently not liking the song is kinda racist since it is considered a black gospel song xD
Wait I didn't know that you can't discard it!!!! Noooooo!
I wish everyone would stop sugar coating and coping and saying "the song is fine".. It's not fine, it's repulsive lmao.
you forgot the 'iT's SubJeCtiVe " before 'tHe SoNg iS FiNe yOu'Re oVerReAcTiNg'
The song is 'meh' plus it just doesnt fit ff14 style in the first place. Its definitely not the worst song on the planet but its the worst in the game.
A version without the vocals could sound better.
The Solution 9 music is literally an instrumental version of this song. And I love the Solution 9 music. So the compositional basis of the song, the chords, rhythms and melodies that make it up, is great. What makes Smile awful is the vocal performance, the out of place musical style, and the fatuous lyrics.
It's the tone. I probably shouldn't cross-promote without permission, but there's a recent shitpost playing Smile over other pivotal moments from 2.0 - 6.55 and it's just JARRINGLY out of place.
Production cost probably demanded the song is played a set number of times.
Calling this a black gospel song does a huge disservice to black gospel songs.
Everyone says the song was “fine” no it wasnt, it was a cringey great value Disney/Pixar, Dreamworks song XD
U just described a good song that definitely requires correct placement. So it is "fine"
"xd" cringe
I'm highly skeptical that Soken made this shit, or had anything to do with it
It is fine, it just didn't fit in any of the scenes it played in. It threw me off every single time.
@@jutsumaniac4569 It definitely wasn't fine. The singer sounded off key at times.
Someone's been watching the Xeno stalker drama videos I see
Zepla not blonde anymore?
wait how long has her hair been brown?
daaamnnn it crazy how so many people have the same opinion, it really is tone deaf
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Whats that Glamour? looks nice
Sucks because Zalool Ja’s trial music has this garbage tuning in every so often. It sounds good and then you hear this in the middle.
I also tried to discard it 😂
Should have just been Machinations
Does this song feature in other language versions of the game, or is it just the English audience forced to suffer the horror of it? Really wouldn't mind all that much if it gets left off the soundtrack cd.
Song isn’t even good 😂
the placement of the song was so weird i couldnt help but laugh when it happened. but also because was such a "happy sounding" song it felt like something big was gonna interupt and cause some chaos the end of act 2 and beginnning of act 3. which it kind of did
Omg trying to throw it away seems dum fine u don't like the song just take the scroll and never play it geez the song is lion king themed probably because wuk race it is a tribal type song for unity u all are crazy i personally love the song haha and am entitled to my opinion ❤
After 30 s of this, I skipped this wish Disney song.
hate this song so much 🤣🤣
I feel like xD Whoever organized this cutscene was either a cheeky mofo...or they were NOT told for what purpose this train (doom train) was being constructed for hahahahaha!
This piece was the singular biggest orchestral mistake in the entirety of the MMO, and that's not me exaggerating. I'd rather listen to the basic battle them from ARR than have to listen to this one ever again. I actually quit out of the game, turned off the BGM, replayed the chapter and its CS and had Donkey Kong Country music playing in the background instead. 🤣
We couldn’t help but laugh at this expansion, it was so awful it was funny 😂.
I literally forgot there was a song over the montage.
That's your brain protecting you from the trauma of hearing it
Yeah I kinda just tuned it out and watched what was going on.
i skipped that cutscene actually even before the song started playing when i was going in blind during early access. I only learned that this was a thing from youtube lol
I could not help but feel cringe when the dog came up... and I was playing alone with my dog as company.
The song sucks
The placement also doesn't make sense when you consider the intent. They played it to show how united Tural is...yeah, you've been at this for 80 years. I'd hope you'd have *some* semblance of unity 😂
I also tried to discard that song, oof.
That song is the worst fucking song I have ever heard. I wanted to pull my ear drums out 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 what are they thinking adding it into the game.
Such a trash, spoken word with notes thrown in, cringefest of a song. When did this concept of “ let me sing you a story of what I did today” become so mainline. I remember this in frozen too, where the rhyming scheme doesn’t work or even exist.
I still don't understand what they were thinking here.
Like, the music is upbeat and triumphant, so my best guess is that they thought this was some victorious moment where many different people's came together to work for a singular goal. Kinda like how all the beast tribes worked with the Sharlayans, summoning their Eikon's to send the WoL and Scions to Ultima Thul. Except, this nation has been racially and culturally integrated for like half a century at that point. Different people's working together, is the norm here. So it's not triumphant at all, and nobody playing would take it as such.
So yeah, I've got no idea. That was my best guess, and it absolutely doesn't work here.
SMILE is the Worst Song Ever & does not belong in this Franchise!
In my opinion the song is fine. The placements of it were awkward but the song by itself is fine. The race baiting sure as hell isn’t, but people nowadays claim racism just because someone woke up at 9am instead of 8am.
I didn't watch a single cinematic in Dawn Trail.
I skipped everything and I see that was correct to do so.
literally wtf is this?
Smile is a good song. It's just absolutely butchered by the worst placements it could be in. This would have been better received if it had been used appropriately.
God. I'm happy i quit around the level 95 quests. I was in this zone and about to go to the train station but seeing the Spheeeeeen bullshit and all of that and how DT ends? I unsubbed and am sadly happy i did. This is atrocious and frankly stupidly offensive. We went from intelligent stories about life that made us think to... whatever this trash is. Do better, SE.
First one😊
"the song is fine"... nah... it's not lol its a pretty subpar not good song lol
I will quit the game if they ever put another song this bad in the game.
Shame the entire story falls apart after these cutscenes
I actually enjoyed the story the more we went through DT. I wish the feats would have been condensed way down and made the rest of the story the main focus.
The story fell apart right after EW MSQ
@@maxmagnus377 I didn't have a problem with the story until after we got into the dome. The remaining story was just way too long. I don't need to know everyone's motivation and incredibly complicated backstories. You could have cut out so much and the story would have still made sense. You could have got rid the entire Gulool Ja character and it would have made no difference.
Imagine having to listen to any of the epic songs we got in the past on multiple times and they werent about your stuff but celebrating someone else on repeat. Like if we were just helping idk Y'shtola the WOL saving the world and Song of Hope motif was literally her theme, how would that feel I wonder? Same feelings come in here. It's not related to us, only by a distance, we carry the story like a WoW character, we are there cuz "we deserve to be there" and its infuriating . So there is no way majority of enjoyers gona like this song. The theme of friendship was so abused it made me root for Zoraal Ja after he shown up with Star Destroyers