Bill Simmons compares Michael Jordan to Muhammad Ali after watching 'The Last Dance' | First Take
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Bill Simmons joins First Take to discuss how Chicago Bulls legend Michael Jordan is portrayed in "The Last Dance" documentary.
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Never thought I'd see Bill on ESPN again - but here we are
He was on Jalen and Jacoby, PTI in the past year. I'm just surprised to see him on ESPN's flagship
He keeps his relationships so that he can have people on his podcast
He was also in Katie Nolan's show
Right lol I was like wait a min 😂😂
He's the original Will Cain.
Bill Simmons on ESPN; automatically watching!!
The Sky has fallen - ESPN has allowed Bill Simmons back on the channel!
He's been on jalen and Jacoby multiple times before this
The Last Dance brought Bill and ESPN together, thats why MJ's the goat. 🤔😂
Michael Jordan and Muhammad Ali, the two greatest athletes in the history of sports.
Why when it come to black athletes it have to be this or that. WHY can't they be great intheirvown skin. I never heard anyone say you can't take both Larry Bird or McHale, we here great Celtics. Everything we do we are pitted against one another music, acting, baseball, football, this want stop until we stop it. One more Martin Luther King Jr. Vs MalcolmX. Stop it.
Muhammad Ali and LeBron two greatest athletes of all time.
Carolyn Hall his comment was not related to Bron , and yes Bron is great but his career isn’t over yet.
Messi.
LoL. LIONEL MESSI is the GREATEST
They try cut his mic for spitting too many facts
Mohammad Ali is in a league of his own
Nope
David - Yes.
He faced 3 of the greatest heavyweights in his time
JORDAN, Ali, Jim Brown,Usain Bolt, Serena, Tiger, TYSON, Micheal Phelps...non sports heads now these names and faces, your grandma knows these legends
All fax bo cap
ESPN really let this man go smh.
I kind of miss NBA Countdown when it was Mike Wilbon, Magic and Bill
Noone misses Wilbon
@@patricija4179 😂 Wilbon is cool. I miss Stuart Scott
- 23 Wilbon is a beast
Bill got himself kicked out.
atleti co was this the Ray Rice thing?
ESPN should have never let him go
Michael & Muhammad Ali Names Are written in Stone...It can't ever be washed away✒
Bills rewatchables series is incredible. They really break down MJs games. They reinforced the thought that MJ is the GOAT.
have to say goodbye again to MJ in the last dance....can't get enough! More episodes please! But thank you Mj and the bulls again for giving us joy in this pandemic time. Thank you ESPN and netflix
Michael Jordan is the greatest nba player but do not compare him to a man that fought against racism in Kentucky sacrifice his boxing career and was threaten to go jail because he refused to fight in Vietnam. No 1 in sport is on Ali level ever
They were only comparing the 2 having athletic early career dominance, a break, and then a 2nd act where they depended more on their wits. That was all
@@AstroRocket Exactly 😏
@@AstroRocket I know both have great careers in their respective sports. Comparing both of their careers wouldn't make much sense since both sports are vastly different.
For me, Ali has the greater career if we compare them. Ali has made the greatest upset in boxing history when he defeated Liston because he was a 7-1 underdog against him, that was the highest against the odds ever in boxing. Not only that, but Ali also defeated Joe Frazier who is widely considered to be in the top 10 greatest heavyweights of all time. He also TKO'd George Foreman in the 8th when everybody said Ali would lose because Foreman has destroyed both Norton and Frazier in less than 2 rounds, and Norton and Joe had both beaten Ali, yet Ali still won over Foreman.
It would be better is Ali and Jordan would be compared via the things they've done.
There’s Ali and everyone else. Ali was the best in and out the ring. Didn’t compromise himself, missed his prime years in the ring, came back and won the title again and again. ALI is the king of kings
Isn't that what Michael Jordan did lmao?
@@yashk246 u need a life to understand what muhammad ali made the difference
@@723743 I know that off the court he was a legend but Michael Jordan did the exact same thing in terms of basketball
@@yashk246 yeah but Ali difficult 🐐
Mj was more dominant in basketball than Ali was in boxing
Why is Bills audio so bad when he's the boss of a podcast company?
Intentionally trying to sabotage the quality of ESPN programming... Spiteful.
(Just jokes ppl, not serious)
Nice to have Bill back at the mothership, even as a guest.
Lol don't insult Ali with this comparison. He's the real GOAT of all sports.
Muhammad Ali is the GREATEST
MJ is the BEST
There's a difference.
Straight up
Except Ali stood up for injustices
@SuperPunch76 Ali didn't play, he shook the world up.
my generation was kobe, AI, tmac, shaq and i still think mike is the greatest its not a generational argument to me
My generation was mike, barkley, shaq and rodman. And i think lebron is better.
My generation was Russell, Chamberlain, West and Robertson and even I know LeBron is the goat
You forgot about Vince
Lebron fans say Jordan aint beating detroit until they got old when detroit players are barely 30's. other detroit players playing valuable minutes not even 35. But they give excuses to lebron not winning against 37 yo duncan, 36 yo ginobili and 31 yo parker. Add the fact that finals series in 2014 is 4-1, its not even close. Against Dallas, Kidd was 37 yo, dirk (32), terry (33), series ended 4-2. If you guys think lebron is still Goat, explain how he failed to win against these 2 teams and series not even reaching to 7 games.
@@mrwokotok4732 smh he had d wade with 2 bad knees and had to take every other practice off how was he supposed to compete with that spurs team he done his part check the stats
Nah, im 19 and jordan is my favorite player by far
Isaac Jordan I salute you kid ✊🏾
Kids-watch last dance Jordan is the best ever.. kids watch Espn- Yes jorden is the GOAt. You must be One of the fans that voted for mj as the best college player ever.. Give kareem his credit
Yunus ömer yea I’m 30 I didn’t see Jordan play at all , I can’t respect a 19 yr saying Jordan the goat
Lol look at all these boomers accepting you into their group. Lebron is the greatest to ever play!!
@@timetravelingoldman6839 I love LeBron and I think he certainly belongs in the GOAT conversation, but because of his 3-6 finals record, I just can't put him as the GOAT. If he was 6-3, it would be a different story.
It's not about comparing their personalities, it's about GREATNESS and ICON status. Ali is the GREATEST athlete of all time. MJ is the BEST athlete. I remember being a kid in the early 90s, knowing nothing about USA (or the rest of the world for that matter) but we all knew MJ and the Chicago Bulls logo and we had never even seen him!
Michael Jordan , Mike Tyson , Michael Jackson , Michael Myers..... Goats
Michael Phelps
Michael Scott
Muhammad Ali, Tiger Woods, Babe Ruth, Madonna, Denzel Washington, Michael Jordan, Bobby Fisher... Goats
@@theworkerhours3141 true but we're just naming goats that were named Mike or Michael
Lol Michael Johnson 🏃🏿♂️
I'll never compare Ali to Jordan. Ali was more outspoken than MJ. MJ however reminds me of Ali due to being dominant in their perspective sports while their primes.
Emmanuel Mensah it wasn’t as important for MJ to be outspoken
Hoops Talk and that’s the difference between him and Muhammad
That's what Bill is saying. Comparing them based on what they did in their sport. Not off the court or ring.
You clearly didn’t listen to bill when he spoke 😂 you heard Ali and ya brain cut off everything else after cause what you just said he already said literally & gave examples so it has nothing to do with being outspoken LISTEN 🗣
Why do you feel the need to compare them out of context? I hate how ppl are dumb to understand you can make contextual comparisons without comparing every aspect of two peoples entire body of work. The comparison is purely about the skill transition as athletes due to age related physical decline. That's it. But everyone wants to compare everything and take it out of context. This happens whenever any great athletes are compared its so annoying.
Now way !!! Jordan will never be on the LEVEL of The Late Great Muhammad Ali !!
Osama Abdi - that’s also true
Facts
@Osama Abdi they're talking about the level of dominance they had over their competition was similar, not their careers
In terms of a global cultural icon, then no.
In terms of personality and being so great at their sport they transcended it, then yeah he is.
Ali's influence went beyond what he did in boxing. That sets him apart as the sportsman of the 20th century.
But if you're talking about pure sporting greats, then Jordan is absolutely in the same conversation as Ali.
Ali obviously is the greatest in all forms of sport. No comparison.
"To Utah fans, watching Stockton was like being trapped in missionary position for two decades."
- Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball (2009) 🤣
😂😂
@Wilt Chamberlain GOD of NBA Lmao I love how hurt you are 😂😂😂😂
@Wilt Chamberlain GOD of NBA MJ only won less than 38 games once it was when he missed most of the season wit a broken foot, and stil made the playoffs...asswipe
@Wilt Chamberlain GOD of NBA Let the church say amen.
Great to see my bill on first take. Whenever I hear him mentions first take or Stephen a on his pod, I can never tell if he is taking sacastic shots or not
Muhammad ali was not only known for his greatness in the ring, but how he set example through faith and character of who he was outside the ring. There is no comparison to him.
He had multiple wives and divorces ✅ Depending on how any of those relationships ended, he could have been defined as an adulterer ✅
@Yousuf Arshad jordan was caught for adultery too
Jesus bill just on another level of knowledge
One of the most interesting thoughts in years!!!
i started watching Bill Simmons podcast recently, and he always tells really interesting nba thoughts there. u should check it !
Ali looks so happy to be chillen with MJ in the thumbnail.
Stephen A, Bill Simmons, and Skip are the 3 most influential sports personalities of the past decade
Well that is if you only like basketball
@@mohamedkaba6934 Yep
That's ashame because Stephen A isn't very smart
Both MJ and Muhammad Ali are in a league of their own
Sports 311 how and MJ had help. Ali in the ring by himself no help just him and another guy.
You can not compare or share basketball and boxing in the same sentence. Stop it.
Slatt J that’s what he’s saying bra
Hes nothing LIKE Ali period
we love bill simmons
There is only one Zeus, and his name is Mohammed Ali.
RASTAFARI
I totally agree!!!!!
@Tracy Sharp So Muhammed Ali is an activist. I don't see why that is important when talking about sports in general.
Facts
Great comparison. Haven't thought of it like that
Nope don’t do that Mike is no Ali and I love mike........
@Mikeman Jordan ali is much higher than mike in terms on greatness. Outside of sports and inside
@Mikeman Jordan devil is a lie?
Ali the greatest
This doc , didn't really show the greatness of Michael Jordan unfortunately . They should show more highlights of Michael Jordan . There is more to show about Jordan so people can see how great he was as a basket ball player
Thank you ESPN for bringing Bill "The Truth" Simmons into First Take. He needs to visit more often alongside Jalen Rose... especially during NBA Playoffs.
Max trying So HARD to make the Seattle Supersonics like they were the best thing ever
Hahaha. Stephen A. thinks he can trap Bill with a question about the Celtics walking off the court but Bill calmly slaps back with facts.
Nobody should be compared to Ali.
Nobody.
Recency Bias Radio word! Just like they shouldn’t compare anybody to Jordan period
Why
2:26 That security argument is something I haven’t heard before and it’s really interesting.
I wonder why I haven’t heard it sooner.
Bill Simmons is The Goat
I knew I should of knocked wood! Right when I thought we had a MJ free comparisons debates 😁
waiting for the me7o doc 🤝make it a 20 parter
The founder of ESPN documentaries, thanks Bill
Muhammad Ali never says 'republicans buy sneakers, too'.
To be able to goat, you need to have some certain qualities.
While I do agree with you that Ali was more of an inspirational icon than Jordan. The qualities that matter in a sport GOAT discussion is how great and dominant you were at your sport, thats it nothing else matters not even what you did off the court/ring.
Surprised to see Bill on ESPN's main show
Bill Simmons left ESPN and started The Ringer. He just cashed out for 200M!! Much respect.
No way Bill Simmons. Ali never chose Commerce over conscience.. Thats why he the goat.We The ppl know da real. 💪👁
Bill Simmons is The Sports Guy but also the King of Movie / TV / Pop Culture references inserted into sports. And people should go watch The Rewatchables. I love his episode for Once Upon A Time... In Hollywood.
Bill dropping that SmartWater promo 🤣
You can drop Ali in any part of the world and gather hoards of followers. Comparitively, people don't really respect or even know about MJ outside of the US. As a pure athlete who focused and developed his game and took the whe sport to new heights, MJ takes the crown. So it really depends on how you look at it.
Max with that smirk bc of the Boston slander!!!
Ali was the champ for the people as well. He did so much for the people, injustice and had a superb charachter. And the list goes on. Don't compare someone to him...
After all, Ali was called the People's Champion.
Bill is the guy to talk to in relation to baskeball.
They could've just played the excerpt from 2k. 😂😂😂😂
Under 30 people also see Michael as the goat there are a small few that see other as the goat
When your talking a man that made it to the championship 6 times and came out the winner all 6 times that's just on another level that will never be done again the mans the goat its that simple
Bill Russell won 8 in a row.
I think Bron is closer to Ali then MJ, because Lebron speak up more like Ali did, but MJ no doubt was a athletic phenomenon along with Lebron and Ali.
True
Facts!!!
Bron is NOTHING like Ali!! Please stop!! Ali did it at a time when America hated him for it! And he paid for it too! Today it is EXPECTED that athletes stand up for social justice causes. Which is exactly why LeBron does it. LeBron does nothing if it doesn't benefit him!
ESPN is really taking this Michael Jordan stuff to far. He was a great basketball player let's leave it at that.
Why does that print behind Bill look like MJ is dubbing Larry 🤦🏿♂️😂
I need the full segment
Nick wright punching in the air right now after seeing this
Wow I dont think people actually watched the video. He's not comparing them outside their sport. The comparison is strictly how they performed in their respective sport.
I'm sure most just read the thumbnail and didn't hear what he actually said. The Ali comparison was a good one when you think about their dominance as athletes. Bill never compared their outside the court/ring accomplishments. They're also comparable in how famous they both were worldwide at a certain point. Its not a perfect comparison but its not bad
Ali was Mj of boxing .Mj is greatest of all sports
Messi is way bigger than Jordan, go cry about it 😂😂😂
@@Clarenceisgoat I love Messi there is nothing to cry for
Muhammad Ali's legacy was his civil rights efforts while Michael Jordan's legacy was his Air Jordan Brand. On the court, they were similar in skill to their relative sport.
Kobe was my MJ growing up...
My favourite basketball analysts: Bill Simmons, Jalen Rose and Chauncey Billups.
that's a good comparison, he was basically the undertaker before he FINALLY lost a wm
That was the guy on 2k😭
Sacralegous!!!
Watered down or not, the 90's was the deepest/most talented era of nba history overall. First of all, the best players of the 80's were still the best players in the 90's to a large extent (Jordan, Malone, Olajuwon, Barkley, Ewing, Drexler, Wilkins, Stcokton, Tim Hardaway, Daugherty, Magic, Bird, Thomas, Mullin etc...) and second, crazy talents came in the league like Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Shaquille O'neal, Alonzo Mourning, Jason Kidd, Garnett, Duncan...
Second, in the 90's, there's been more 50+ and 60+ wins teams than in any other era and there were 4-5 contenders by conference each season. Not only that but the 8th seed could still beat the 1st seed in that era and it happened. The competition was ferocious.
Third, I was there for the expansion but it's way overblown. First of all, a younger Bulls teams (with less veterans) were almost able to win 70+ games (67 exactly) in 1992. So, let's not act like it was out of reach in the first three-peat. Jordan even said in 1994 in an interview that if he does come back, the Bulls are going to win 70+ games.
Now, the expansion argument is WAY OVERBLOWN. Here's the truth about it. New teams WERE NOT ALLOWED to choose unrestricted free agents number one. Number two, the new teams were only allowed to chose ONLY ONE PLAYER per team. Third (and this is the most important part), every single team were allowed to "protect" 8 players in their rosters and could only be deplated of only...1 players...so THE CORE OF THE BEST PLAYERS REMAIN INTACT in the league throughout expansion. As teams protect their best players, the expansion teams can often only choose injured, old or overpaid players. That means that expansion teams won’t be good teams (let alone contenders) in their first few years in the league.
And guess what? That's exactly what happened. New teams during the expansion in the 90's became good strictly by drafting players years later (so those players were not even in the league and therefore, cannot watered down the league) or remained at the bottom of the league for a long time. Let's look at them: The Orlando Magic drafted Anfernee Hardaway, Shaq, Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson (their big 4), the Charlotte Hornets acquirred Larry Johnson, Kendall Gill and Alonzo Mourning through the draft. The Minnesota Timberwolves acquired Kevin Garnett and Stephon Marbury through the draft, the Raptors acquired Vince Carter through the draft, the heat acquirred Glen Rice and Steve mith through the draft, the Grizzlies were so bad that they don't existe anymore. The Bobcats, who came into the league in the 2000's are still bad.
The point is that ALL THOSE NEW TEAMS were among the worst in the league before they were able to draft SUPERSTARS TALENTS because they WERE NOT ALLOWED TO WATERED DOWN THE LEAGUE.
So, I know a few players were a bit jealous when the Bulls 72 and talked about it but that's not reality. However, I agree with Bill Simmons that in the first half of the 90's, the league was a little bit deeper and loaded than the second half overall. But let's not exaggerate here...the entire 90's was loaded with talents.
Ali stands alone !
Could watch Bill talk about the game all day 💯
Why is ESPN video quality so low?
What he said about the Jazz can be said about the Bulls... They won 72 games during expansion and before the Foreign infusion of Dirk, Parker, Ginobili, Gasol, etc.
Ali is the true Goat.
Don’t disrespect Muhammad Ali like that like.
@4:30 Max, they never played the Rockets in the playoffs.
Muhammad Ali is the greatest athlete ever, followed by Joe Lewis and Jesse Owens. Michael Jordan is outstanding also, his greatness should in no way be diminished; but it won't exceed either of these men only because of circumstances, not anything Michael Jordan did. Fighting wars, standing up to racist regimes and fighting a wayward establishment is circumstance. For the reasons mentioned in the above sentence, these three men are the only ones Michael Jordan should ever take a step back for.
Wait bills on espn wow
GOATs talk about GOATs
Ridiculousness!!
You cannot compare Michael Jordan to Muhammad Ali the Original Greatest of All TIMES
Muhammad Ail was a activist as well. Michael Jordan was not.
Nba fans say "Micheal Jorden is the greatest sportsmen"
The world says "Muhammed Ali was the greatest in the world"
For me, Micheal Jorden will never be able to take Muhammad Ali's position. This man stood more than for boxing. He stood for human freedom and even paid for it. Such people are too big to be compared to Jordan. Muhammed Ali can only be seen with Martin Luther King, Ghandi and Nelson Mandela. And yet Muhammed Ali is the greatest person who has set foot in this world
Yeah. Jordan is far richer than Ali because Jordan was about the business and the fame, but Ali...Ali gave it all up when he refused to go to Vietnam because he knew It was wrong.
Fans, boxers, NBA players, actors, superstar, athletes, big figures in the world, and other celebrities, consider Ali as the greatest sportsman of all time. The gap between Ali and Jordan is just too great, Ali has more influence by a good gap, and Ali has done more good than Jordan by a mile.
@@sittienakan1594 Firstly, you're talking about 2 different era's, Ali was not the only person who dodge the draft dude. Secondly, Ali was more about the fame than MJ. MJ barely does interviews while Ali was on every news outlet debating, Ali loved the cameras more than anyone
@@kase121 " Ali was not the only person who dodge the draft dude."
I know, but we're talking about Ali, how did you reach to other people? I'm talking about who's the greatest athlete, so if you could mention another athlete that did what he did, then go ahead.
"Secondly, Ali was more about the fame than MJ. MJ barely does interviews while Ali was on every news outlet debating, Ali loved the cameras more than anyone"
What? How does interviewing have to with anything? Of course Ali had more interviews, he was a very controversial figure, but mostly because Ali had big fights so o f course Ali needs to do those interviews. And what do you mean MJ barely does interviews? There are several on CZcams. There are actually interviews of MJ debating on who the GOAT of basketball is. Ali wasn't debating that much, and if he was, it's usually religion or about politics, and I only remember him debating 2 times, so I would love it if you could show me more interviews of him debating. Plus, most of those times that he was on interview, it was just him trying to promote peace and to have good moral. And before you say there were times he was trash talking his enemies, remember that after his rivalry with Joe, he kept trying to ask forgiveness for him. And the time he got mad at a dude was because he called him Cassius and not Ali.
@@kase121 If MJ did more interviews than Ali, that would really mean nothing.
The reason Ali is greater than MJ is because he more influence by a good bit and has done more good. MJ is a good person, but his side was mostly on the business side, Ali decided to do more good than MJ.
@@sittienakan1594 Sir that's how you define 'Good'. MJ is was of the main reasons why NBA players get the money they do today. Moreover, both athletes have made similar impact but it is subjected to their era.
Muhammad Ali? Alright now y'all doing a lot.
Facts!
Look at Bill squashing some old beef and getting back on ESPN. Now only if Krause, Phil, MJ, and Pippen could have done the same...
*Jalen* *Rose's* *Top* *10*
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. LeBron James
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Larry Bird
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. Tim Duncan
Best top 10 list I've ever seen. I like it even more than mine. This might be Jalen's greatest contribution to ESPN. I'm 99% sure of it. Not 81%.
Jalen is an idiot look who he married
@@reasedogable His wife is the idiot.
Max Kellerman is 46 yrs old, I thought he was like 35 or something like that
*First* *threepeat* *Finals* *MJ*
36.6 pts / 6.6 rbs / 7.8 ast / 52.7% fg / 42.1% 3pt
*Second* *threepeat* *Finals* *MJ*
31.1 pts / 5.4 rbs / 4.2 ast / 43.4% fg / 31.6% 3pt
I love to hear Bill Simmons talk about the game.
I think Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan could be compared for the greatness in their sport. But Muhammad Ali was that much greater, cause Ali spoke up for all the injustices African ppl had to deal with. MJ. Never really spoke out the injustices African ppl face, he could've but he didn't.
Bill Simmons has this podcast called The Rewatchables. If you compare MJ vs LeBron just by the eye test, MJ is box office. He's just more exciting to watch. More alluring. His story is better. His game is *sexier* and rewatchable.
I think there's some truth to the generational thing. Generally speaking.
Some fans Hate Jordan because he went "6-0" in Finals and no matter what they EVER say they can never CHANGE this fact...This must be so Frustrating to his Haters =(....They argue and debate and as SOON as they are done Jordan is STILL absolutely PERFECT on the BIG stage...They just cant deal with this...Shannon Sharpe and Nick Wright have NIGHTMARES about this