I must say one thing that Insurgency: Sandstorm does significantly better than the original Insurgency is sound design. When I’m playing and I hear one of the characters talking in a different room that’s further away it actually sounds like someone in my house is downstairs saying something I’m not lying it’s incredibly well done
That's mostly engine dependent. There are a lot of tricks to try and get different sounds in different environments, but it's a pretty big stretch in Source. Frostbite was way ahead of its time in this regard.
The sound was very good in alpha version, but it is somehow fucked up in beta. I've noticed a strange sound positioning on several occasions. Yesterday while I was playing I was standing next to car-mounted MG, but the sound of firing was coming from completely opposite direction. I don't know what they changed, but this doesn't play well.
Also +Tyler if you've ever been behind a gun you know it's *much* quieter than anywhere else, the very design of a firearm depends on that kind of direction of force. Someone else's gun usually will sound louder to you than your own.
Jon Marshall yeah that’s the biggest issue I’ve seen. The only way for medium-route gaming rigs to handle anything is to turn down the graphics, which makes he game look like washed out garbage.
i have everything turned down to v low, yeah it looks washed out but that 80 fps is hawt when playing, and id much prefer to be able to kill my targets then have non washed out guns, its in beta and they still need to optimise it so hopefully itll be better or release
Those who play Sandstorm will never know the true PTSD of the RPGs, AT4s and C4s/IED in Insurgency Standalone Sinjar map with Insurgents RPG spawnkilling the Security Forces..
The reason I still prefer to play the original. Nothing beats the feeling of chilling on sinjar, finding new ways to exploit the assholes of the security forces, on a chill sunny day.
@Liam King Well we can't keep talking about arma everyday now can we? The last arma game was released in 2013 and it was pretty popular if I remember. There's not that much to say about it
The sound of the grenade lever/latch hitting the ground in the original is so good but I really like the sound of the fragmentation zipping past you in the second. I wish they combined the two and I think they would have the most satisfying grenade sound ever.
bullet casing drop sounds were missing (no clue if that has been fixed), and the high pitched noise after the grenade blast sets in too quickly, rather unrealistically.
I'm a source engine mapper/ casual modder and UE4 tinkerer and here's my thoughts for if anybody cares: 1:07 "Right away we can see a massive improvement" where in the first image I'd say the source version downright trumps Sandstorms. However, in general, Sandstorm will have improved texture resolutions due to it being a newer game. What I will say is though, that in almost all of the cases, the "artistic" element of the old source engine's versions are let down in sandstorm with much flatter, less interesting textrues. Take for example that tire at 1:16: Yes the source engine one is ancient, and low resolution, but take a look at the added wear and dirt that was added to it. This is a problem I feel a lot of Sandstorm suffers from which are textures that, though high in pixels, are often low in artistic detail. 1:51 Though the polycounts on some of the models may be higher in sandstorm, the aliasing and colour reproduction looks noiceably desaturated and contrast reducted for no reason, not to mention it looks like the old game's scopes rendering distant objects zoomed in no longer appears to be a feature. I'd say that the blacks on almost all of the models look FAR too shiny, as if there's no black paint applied to them, and instead it's black metal (i.e. In UE4's material nodes, they have metallicity far too high for almost all the weapons) I will agree about the animations though, they generally seem to be a moderate improvement to authenticity Not to mention, I feel source handles aliasing on shimmers far better for textures in general, especially on the weapon models 3:23 Again, though the lighting in UE4 is inherently more impressive, I feel the studio's implementation of it is actually substantially poorer. UE4 uses a mix of prebaked lighting and a directional cascade shadowmap, the exact same concept that Source does. However, prebaked lighting in UE4 has a habit of being downright terrible at times, and generally looks far worse than source engine's years of refinement Valve have put into their radiosity Algorithms. Generally, UE4 will thus rely more on their excellent "stationary" and dynamic light systems which absolutely shit on source engine, but as a result of being far prettier, also take the hit of being far more expensive to render. In this case, sandstorm is mostly using the same lighting style for its open environments as what they implemented in their source engine version, plus some other features, at the cost of lighting generally looking flatter, and performing far worse Materials interact with light far better in sandstorm, just due to the way UE4 handles specularity in the PBR system 3:35 Shadows are just straight up better in Sandstorm for softness, but often not nearly dark enough for reality, whereas the original had the opposite problem where cascade shadows were too sharp, and far too strong 4:02 Particles are pretty much a tie in my opinion. Like yourself I disliked the blaring orange flash with the old grenades, but the newer smokes don't have the Source engines fogging effect that hid a lot of the obvious pictures once you were inside of it; a straight downgrade. I feel the smoke particles in the sandstorm due to being so Opaque look more fake with their reaction to light, making them more obviously flat, whereas the older implementation, they were far more transparent making it less obvious, though this is just an artistic choice and easily remedied. 7:01 I personally prefer the newer sound system Though not in this video, I feel the 3rd person animations and the way the game handles movement is actually worse than the source engine for many of the cases, and I've seen that some of the animations they've used look suspiciously like ones I've spotted on the UE4 asset store, which isn't a problem AT ALL, it's just amusing. IN CONCLUSION I feel sandstorm is a technical improvement, with a few new features, but is generally a sidegrade, trading a few new features like vehicles, and stealing a few ideas from Day of Infamy, for what is a £25 sell, and a huge loss of FPS. I understand why they went for UE4 for its ease of use, modern engine, better material, lighting, model import, animation, ... basically everything system, BUT the loss of performance for what little is gained is personally not worth it at all. Insurgency is in my eyes a 8.5/10 shooter This is barely a 6.5 and that's not even mentioning the hideous framerate hitching I and many others have experienced, making the game unplayable and creepy character models but hey ho. Nice try guys, but I don't feel this game is going to live up to the huge jump Insurgency was compared to its old mod days compared to sandstorm to insurgency.
Outstanding post, thank you for the effort. Let me just say that I played the original Half Life 2 mod and it felt great, particularly how crispy and metallicky the gun sounds appeared to me.
I only want to get sandstorm because no one plays the og now Especially tactical operations which is my fav mode Also i appreciate the effort that went into this comment
yeah, both insurgency and day of infamy had some amazing voice acting, in sandstorm though it seems kinda over the top, silly, and you cant even tell foe from ally from the voices
Quality over quantity. While insurgency 2 had less voice actors, they did their job incredibly well. Insurgency Sandstorm might have more voice actors, but if the quality isn't the same, what's the point?
Is it just me, or do the graphics look better in multiplayer compared to local? I agree that the textures are too flat and it seemed worse when I was playing with bots initially.
the brighter look is something a lot of AAA games do in order to make the details pop and not get lost if they were darker. Not saying Insurgency did that because of other games, but it certainly is a trend.
No character model comparison? That what hit me the most of the game was how the characters look better from visuals and personality in the first game compare to Sandstorm. Sandstorm they all look too weird, thin, unnatural and feel unrealistic with their body shapes.
Totally agree. I'd like to do a character model comparison in the future, for the game's full release. I didn't include it this time because I was dealing with the bots running all over the place, and none of my friends have the game atm. But I'll be sure to do a model comparison when the game officially releases :)
Nick930 Thank you for replying and taking consideration in your future videos. I will stay tune to see it. Plus, this would help the Devs understand our feedback as well to improve the game very good. :)
Something about him having really hurt his voice and not being able to do more sounds. But there are only three voices available to security in the beta, so maybe we'll see him come back as a sound pack; I did hear that there would be cosmetic DLC's to help counter the higher budget of the game.
I agree that it's the best one, and probably the most beautiful one, unfortunately for single-players only. But, how do we explain the input lag in ALL UE4-based multiplayer games lately? It can't be that all developers are poorly optimizing their games? The issues are consistent across all UE4 games. Same thing goes for Unity. They seem to share some issues.
I really like this video, straight to the point, no bullshit, condensed into a nice little package. And not an annoying voice by any standard, instant subscribe.
John Mcpudding go watch real life videos of war. It's not the same as most video games. Armas sounds follow real world physics. If it's a explosion 500 metres away, you see the explosion but it takes time for the sound wave to reach you.
Id rather play on a newer much better looking game than one on the shitty source engine. Either you cant afford it or cant run it. Newer game looks much better and more fun. Cant run it? Get a better computer.
Not everyone can just go out an get a better computer. Even then it'd be better to upgrade than get a whole new computer. While Sandstorm is very much funner and looks nicer, I found it overall less enjoyable due to it running like a powerpoint during the Alpha. I have an FX 8350 and GTX 970, not exactly crap.
Someone pointed out to me that Sandstorm is now getting closer to any other generic shooter and maybe they are right. I didn't play Insurgency for its looks, I don't think most people did. It was just a very satisfying gameplay experience in its own little niche category. Shit, I still play Rainbow Six 3 Raven Shield and Athena sword, I guarantee you it's not the graphics that have me coming back to it
Sandstorm actually feels like an overall improvement in gun handling and actual game play. What wasn't touched upon is that there is now a commander for each team with different assest available to them in very limited numbers. Keep in mind, these aren't kill streaks either. And map scale has stayed the same for most of the maps with one or two being roughly 2x bigger than the biggest maps in the original. Whoever told you its closer to a generic shooter is flat out wrong and most likely hasn't played the game for themselves. Forming that opinion from watching streams and youtube videos is understandable.. but rhis improved the original in almost everyway from a gameplay standpoint imo.
Playing the beta, I'm inching close to 'it's a generic shooter' opinion. No real incentive to go semi auto, less recoil, increased time to kill. Idk it lost some of that charm.. Co op got better though
I think the lighting in Sandstorm is a little too bright. The weapon models look slightly too shiny, as opposed to the darker, flatter look in Insurgency 2014. Overall, it's a pretty good looking game though.
i agree, i understand that they want it to look worn but they can make it black color with a lot of scratches and stuff like the 2014 version did, its more immersive in my opinion
They have a lot more punch, which is nice, though the sandstorm ones still have quite a lot of punch. The Sandstorm gun sounds are so much more realistic though. They actually sound eerily similar to how those specific guns sound in real life. The Insurgency effects have more punch, but besides that don't sound very realistic at all.
Sandstorm improves visually on most departments of the game, and also on the weapon sounds, although the reverberation and echoes lasted too long to be realistic in the environment that you were shooting in, they should’ve died down much quicker IMO
The audio for Source's Insurgency is actually louder and somewhat harsher but the audio for Sandstorm is more realistic. Also the gunfire dispersion rate, explosions and blood splatter/impact wounds are much more realistic. I play both games but even now while Sandstorm is still in Beta, its already visually better then the 2014 Insurgency. They do need to fix some minor bugs aswel as hitbox detection and some server optimization with Sandstorm but I have full faith it will all be smooted out prefectly by official release time in roughly two weeks. I will continue playing Sandstorm now and will not be returning to 2014 Insurgency.
So weird hearing actual reload sounds instead of anime girls screaming... Honestly, without the massive amount of mods, insurgency wouldn't be a game worth playing for me anymore so I'll be doing that as well if I do get Sandstorm.
Of course, it does. Source engine is much lighter and more FPS == smoother gameplay, it's a no-brainer. But the level of detail in Insurgency SS and map sizes are much bigger. But you need more powerful PC, you can't get along with Intel built-in video cards anymore. My 4 years old GTX 770 gives about 50-60 fps (no, settings are not at max).
+Uncle Fword I don't think big maps are strictly a boon. I prefer the tighter CQB focus and blend between long range and short range that Insurgency's map design focused on personally, but I suppose that won't stop people from thinking that bigger = better.
+Plzstandbuy Outside of performance alone, there's something about the mouse and weapon movement in Insurgency source that just feels right. And the movement speeds and acceleration feel more natural. Hopefully it's something they work on in Sandstorm.
+Kaiser Kotaki I like big maps in Insurgency SS. It feels much more realistic than in Insurgency where on any map you walking around in circles through the same buildings back and forth. At most maps in Insurgency you make a full circle around the map and finish close to where you started. I like Insurgency, but after I've started playing Insurgency SS, I stopped playing previous game completely. By the way I play mostly coop, so if you play PvP you might feel different.
The echo of gun shots, the zipping sound of shrapnel, the thundering sounds of air support (and that A-10 mmmmmmm), you can feel every explosion and holy crap is that sound design glorious.
The grenade throwing and bouncing physics in source is somehow still miles better, you feel the weight of it. Also the source model takes into account the irregular shape of the grenade itself, so that it doesn't bounce in a perfect straight line on the ground.
One thing you forgot was the blood and gore, Insurgency has low res generic blood splashes and no dismemberment while Sandstorm has limb and head dismemberment (even hands and feet) with blood pooling, high res and varied splatters and blood splattered on walls will slowly flow down. It's not overdone either, you wont be blowing off arms and legs with a pistol. Big improvement overall and really makes the game a PTSD simulator
I really enjoyed the voice acting in Insurgency but in sandstorm it doesnt feel as real and rough and like they really are in battle they feel drawn out.
Exactly, the weapon models themselves are pretty good but the textures look weird. They need to calm down the cube maps on them. I kinda prefer the darker look of the 1st game.
i played both games, they are amazing but i choose sandstorm because gameplay, weapons customization, dynamic coop, commander supports and sound but map sucks in sandstorm, i miss tell and ministry in insurgency
The graphics ,the model mouvements and the sounds are really better in sandstorm.some gun still have gum bullets that doesnt even stick but yeah i love that game.
The main problem im having right now with sandstorm is the infantry movement speed. I think it needs to come down a bit. Because you are moving way to fast in my opinion.
Sandstorm is cool but honestly would've rather wanted to see a remake or remaster of 2014 on newer versions of the source engine like for day of infamy I think it gives it the advantage of being faster to run and also having better modding
At the very least, Sandstorm's sound design has advanced by miles. The only thing it doesn't capture is just how loud the initial blast of most guns is, but the sounds are much closer to real shoot sounds.
A side note for anyone who hasn't played Sandstorm but noticed on the grenade sound comparison that the striker lever can't be seen or heard pinging off, you can ping it off manually and cook a grenade if you want but the default throw keeps the lever on the grenade until you throw it. Though I reckon it should make the ping noise as you throw it in that case as I can imagine they probably would do that in real life.
My favorite part of sandstorm is the okp when you lean to the left the reticle magically appears if you ads. But it will probably be patched during beta
7:10, the gun has two distinct bangs, just like in real life. For anyone wondering why, the first bang is the gunpowder 'exploding', launching the bullet forward, and the second bang is the sonic boom of the bullet travelling so fast. In my opinion, Sandstorm has better sound design.
@@3ATERMINATOR a lot of engines are capable of doing some impressive stuff but ive gotta admit, ive seen the impressive stuff have a lot better fps in non unreal engine games. Seems like even epic doesent know how to run it well as seen in fortnite
The sandstorm sound from guns sound more compressed. The OG Insurgency scared the crap out of me each time they're fired close to me wearing a headset.
Unfortunately guns in real life don't sound quite as exciting as movie sound teams would have us believe. The guns do still all sound quite diverse, but they won't really sound as booming and intimidating as they did in the more Hollywood Ins2.
You're hitting the armor plates. Unlike Ins2, where everyone carried AP and armor may or may not have been the difference between dying to one or three shots, armor in Sandstorm has a legitimate effect in that, while unarmored targets will still succumb to 1-3 shots to center mass, a hit to the plate is unlikely to kill outright, some weapons might see as many as eight shots failing to kill targets through the plate. Hit people in the extremities or the sides or back of their torso if you don't intend to take at least a rifle.
Good progress on the game itself.. unfortunately at the moment, it runs like crap. I get a "solid" 70-120 fps on a 1080 and 4,2 ghz processor.. It lacks a lot of the smooth feeling of the old Insurgency
^What kempf said. The first game plays a lot better. The best thing about the first game is the mod support. If you don't like the stock sounds or skins you can change them out very easily. Sandstorm is very underwhelming. I want it to succeed but in it's current state it's not very good.
Refunded it last night, 980ti i7 8700k all on lowest settings and I maxed at 40fps in gun fights. I never thought a game would run worse than pubg but they sure did manage it.
Insurgency sandstorms sound design and the way it works sounds much better in the environment with having that slight echo effect on distance, and also providing that sandstorm has much better weapon sounds that are less like an action movie and more like an actual gun without that big ping when firing a rifle or sniper
In Sandstorm it sounds like you can really hear the bolt of the gun sliding as it gets rid of spent shells which I really appreciate it sounds more metallic and realistic as in the original it just kinda sounded like the gun firing and no bolt sliding
I must say one thing that Insurgency: Sandstorm does significantly better than the original Insurgency is sound design. When I’m playing and I hear one of the characters talking in a different room that’s further away it actually sounds like someone in my house is downstairs saying something I’m not lying it’s incredibly well done
That's mostly engine dependent. There are a lot of tricks to try and get different sounds in different environments, but it's a pretty big stretch in Source. Frostbite was way ahead of its time in this regard.
The sound was very good in alpha version, but it is somehow fucked up in beta. I've noticed a strange sound positioning on several occasions. Yesterday while I was playing I was standing next to car-mounted MG, but the sound of firing was coming from completely opposite direction. I don't know what they changed, but this doesn't play well.
The overall sound is great. The issue ive found is an ally can be 20 ft from me and somehow their weapon firing is way louder than mine.
Your headphones are on backwards dude.
Also +Tyler if you've ever been behind a gun you know it's *much* quieter than anywhere else, the very design of a firearm depends on that kind of direction of force. Someone else's gun usually will sound louder to you than your own.
"the original looked like something from the 90s"
Half-Life: am i a joke to you?
B l a c k M e s a
Insurgency Modern Infantry, was a HL2 mod. Hmmm
@Gerd Wiesler The optimization for Sandstorm is just downgrading textures
@@JoMiMi_h no it's the SaUsE engine
@@siphobrisloks8133 achieved with
SoRcE
Insurgency: 200fps
Sandstorm: 15-40fps
Jon Marshall yeah that’s the biggest issue I’ve seen. The only way for medium-route gaming rigs to handle anything is to turn down the graphics, which makes he game look like washed out garbage.
i have everything turned down to v low, yeah it looks washed out but that 80 fps is hawt when playing, and id much prefer to be able to kill my targets then have non washed out guns, its in beta and they still need to optimise it so hopefully itll be better or release
i dont care about sandstorm if it cant run on my decade old laptop (which insurgency does very well)
Well ya it ran on the source engine lol
It runs much better now in beta 2, I would say 30 fps better.
I prefer Insurgency: Optimized Edition
Those who play Sandstorm will never know the true PTSD of the RPGs, AT4s and C4s/IED in Insurgency Standalone
Sinjar map with Insurgents RPG spawnkilling the Security Forces..
The reason I still prefer to play the original. Nothing beats the feeling of chilling on sinjar, finding new ways to exploit the assholes of the security forces, on a chill sunny day.
Running to that damn Humvee...
IED SPAWN CAMP
rpg rpg!!!
Sinjar is back, just with snow. ;)
It's kinda sad to hear that ppl only talk about Battlefield 5 and Black ops 4 instead of this hidden gem
dude Insurgency is so good
Agreed
@Liam King wdym people literally talk about Arma as an example of a great PC exclusive
@Liam King Well we can't keep talking about arma everyday now can we? The last arma game was released in 2013 and it was pretty popular if I remember. There's not that much to say about it
Liam King arma 3 was released like fucking 5 years ago.
I don't give a shit about the graphics much. Looks good enough to me. Gameplay is where it is at. That is always where insurgency has shined.
The sound of the grenade lever/latch hitting the ground in the original is so good but I really like the sound of the fragmentation zipping past you in the second. I wish they combined the two and I think they would have the most satisfying grenade sound ever.
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dem sounds in sandstorm tho, omnomnom
bullet casing drop sounds were missing (no clue if that has been fixed), and the high pitched noise after the grenade blast sets in too quickly, rather unrealistically.
Ignorance on my behalf then. Good to know they are still in the game.
@@jaco6971 7:12 you can hear the bullet case rolling on the ground
Insurgency soundmods: *Allow us to introduce ourselves*
I'm a source engine mapper/ casual modder and UE4 tinkerer and here's my thoughts for if anybody cares:
1:07 "Right away we can see a massive improvement" where in the first image I'd say the source version downright trumps Sandstorms. However, in general, Sandstorm will have improved texture resolutions due to it being a newer game. What I will say is though, that in almost all of the cases, the "artistic" element of the old source engine's versions are let down in sandstorm with much flatter, less interesting textrues. Take for example that tire at 1:16: Yes the source engine one is ancient, and low resolution, but take a look at the added wear and dirt that was added to it.
This is a problem I feel a lot of Sandstorm suffers from which are textures that, though high in pixels, are often low in artistic detail.
1:51 Though the polycounts on some of the models may be higher in sandstorm, the aliasing and colour reproduction looks noiceably desaturated and contrast reducted for no reason, not to mention it looks like the old game's scopes rendering distant objects zoomed in no longer appears to be a feature. I'd say that the blacks on almost all of the models look FAR too shiny, as if there's no black paint applied to them, and instead it's black metal (i.e. In UE4's material nodes, they have metallicity far too high for almost all the weapons)
I will agree about the animations though, they generally seem to be a moderate improvement to authenticity
Not to mention, I feel source handles aliasing on shimmers far better for textures in general, especially on the weapon models
3:23 Again, though the lighting in UE4 is inherently more impressive, I feel the studio's implementation of it is actually substantially poorer.
UE4 uses a mix of prebaked lighting and a directional cascade shadowmap, the exact same concept that Source does.
However, prebaked lighting in UE4 has a habit of being downright terrible at times, and generally looks far worse than source engine's years of refinement Valve have put into their radiosity Algorithms. Generally, UE4 will thus rely more on their excellent "stationary" and dynamic light systems which absolutely shit on source engine, but as a result of being far prettier, also take the hit of being far more expensive to render.
In this case, sandstorm is mostly using the same lighting style for its open environments as what they implemented in their source engine version, plus some other features, at the cost of lighting generally looking flatter, and performing far worse
Materials interact with light far better in sandstorm, just due to the way UE4 handles specularity in the PBR system
3:35 Shadows are just straight up better in Sandstorm for softness, but often not nearly dark enough for reality, whereas the original had the opposite problem where cascade shadows were too sharp, and far too strong
4:02 Particles are pretty much a tie in my opinion. Like yourself I disliked the blaring orange flash with the old grenades, but the newer smokes don't have the Source engines fogging effect that hid a lot of the obvious pictures once you were inside of it; a straight downgrade. I feel the smoke particles in the sandstorm due to being so Opaque look more fake with their reaction to light, making them more obviously flat, whereas the older implementation, they were far more transparent making it less obvious, though this is just an artistic choice and easily remedied.
7:01 I personally prefer the newer sound system
Though not in this video, I feel the 3rd person animations and the way the game handles movement is actually worse than the source engine for many of the cases, and I've seen that some of the animations they've used look suspiciously like ones I've spotted on the UE4 asset store, which isn't a problem AT ALL, it's just amusing.
IN CONCLUSION I feel sandstorm is a technical improvement, with a few new features, but is generally a sidegrade, trading a few new features like vehicles, and stealing a few ideas from Day of Infamy, for what is a £25 sell, and a huge loss of FPS.
I understand why they went for UE4 for its ease of use, modern engine, better material, lighting, model import, animation, ... basically everything system, BUT the loss of performance for what little is gained is personally not worth it at all.
Insurgency is in my eyes a 8.5/10 shooter
This is barely a 6.5 and that's not even mentioning the hideous framerate hitching I and many others have experienced, making the game unplayable and creepy character models but hey ho. Nice try guys, but I don't feel this game is going to live up to the huge jump Insurgency was compared to its old mod days compared to sandstorm to insurgency.
Outstanding post, thank you for the effort. Let me just say that I played the original Half Life 2 mod and it felt great, particularly how crispy and metallicky the gun sounds appeared to me.
I gotta say. Sandstorm is a very artistic game.
Sandstorm is too how to say, “white” guns look shiny hands too it’s not dark at all too light
Very interesting!! Thanks a lot!
I only want to get sandstorm because no one plays the og now
Especially tactical operations which is my fav mode
Also i appreciate the effort that went into this comment
If the menu music isn't Darude Sandstorm I will be dissapointed..
dont worry it will have mod support, 100% someone will make a mod for it,
Follow the damn train and maybe there will be Darude Sandstorm, CJ.
This mod , and the weapon fov mod are going to be installed
Old but a classic meme
Or the team America theme tune
i found everything on Sandstorm very neat, except the voice acting; Insurgency really stands off in that point
yeah, both insurgency and day of infamy had some amazing voice acting, in sandstorm though it seems kinda over the top, silly, and you cant even tell foe from ally from the voices
This time IMO it's better especially in the security the insurgents are a bit awkward...
Especially the moans when they die xD
Quality over quantity. While insurgency 2 had less voice actors, they did their job incredibly well. Insurgency Sandstorm might have more voice actors, but if the quality isn't the same, what's the point?
correcting you, HE did his job incredibly well
Great video as always. Can’t wait to play this one.
You can play it on steam, it’s in beta so you can play it
I find Sandtorm textures overall too flat and washed out. It needs better shadows and better resolution in models overall, especially on weapons.
For me if you compare it to WW3... WW3 has worse visuals. Ofcourse it's still early.
Is it just me, or do the graphics look better in multiplayer compared to local? I agree that the textures are too flat and it seemed worse when I was playing with bots initially.
*beta state*
@@032_m.alfathcirrus5 ww3 doesn't look nice honestly, same with the sounds
some guns sound like a potato, the movement is weird, sandstorm is much better
RIP Galil you will be missed with your drum mag :(
This, galil+drum+heavy barrel OP
It's still in the game files btw
When my team mates pick up all classes and there will be no class remaining except the support the only good thing is the galil + tripod
Sabri bn yes
And now Galil is back!
I defo prefer the darker colour pallet of source insurgency
They made the game like this probably because no one see shit in particular places. Weapon colors are shit though
buy a flashlight
it was easy to see just go to specsavers
the brighter look is something a lot of AAA games do in order to make the details pop and not get lost if they were darker. Not saying Insurgency did that because of other games, but it certainly is a trend.
@@alimertc it wasnt the weapon , it was the weather, time of day, heat on that map that made the guns to appear brighter. Its just how it is.
No character model comparison? That what hit me the most of the game was how the characters look better from visuals and personality in the first game compare to Sandstorm. Sandstorm they all look too weird, thin, unnatural and feel unrealistic with their body shapes.
Totally agree. I'd like to do a character model comparison in the future, for the game's full release.
I didn't include it this time because I was dealing with the bots running all over the place, and none of my friends have the game atm. But I'll be sure to do a model comparison when the game officially releases :)
Nick930 Thank you for replying and taking consideration in your future videos. I will stay tune to see it.
Plus, this would help the Devs understand our feedback as well to improve the game very good. :)
characters are looking cartoonish in sandstorm, the proportions are off (hands, legs, head...)
KC Creation - Games/Creativity didnt the developers said they are placeholders? Or they already changed it?
@@sheepherd2210 If thats true, I ll stop mentioning it.
But now, the did not changed the models yet.
Still the same.
The voice actor from insurgency,i want him in sandstorm
Mikee is in actually. He's the voice of the UH-60 Minigun Support.
@@pxatm thats....so....sad
Something about him having really hurt his voice and not being able to do more sounds. But there are only three voices available to security in the beta, so maybe we'll see him come back as a sound pack; I did hear that there would be cosmetic DLC's to help counter the higher budget of the game.
@@pxatm aw
QUIT GAGGLEFUCKING
Great comparison video. I wish Sandstorm was actually playable. Unreal's input lag and insane stuttering is unreal...
I see what you did there lol
I agree that it's the best one, and probably the most beautiful one, unfortunately for single-players only. But, how do we explain the input lag in ALL UE4-based multiplayer games lately? It can't be that all developers are poorly optimizing their games? The issues are consistent across all UE4 games. Same thing goes for Unity. They seem to share some issues.
Haha spot on.
You should install the game on a proper gaming pc and not a laptop potato
Galaxy what are your fps in game and monitor refresh rate?
I really like this video, straight to the point, no bullshit, condensed into a nice little package. And not an annoying voice by any standard, instant subscribe.
Nice, glad you liked it. I'll try to avoid bullshit with my future videos :)
The sound in Insurgency Sandstorm is the best i ever heard in shooters.
nah, i think this one is better
Then you should try Arma
John Mcpudding go watch real life videos of war. It's not the same as most video games. Armas sounds follow real world physics. If it's a explosion 500 metres away, you see the explosion but it takes time for the sound wave to reach you.
@Gian Felipe Escape from Tarkov ;)
have you ever fired a real gun?, if u did u will obviously choose Squad
Insurgency still looks beautiful
While nearly every aspect in Sandstorm might be better, I still prefer the whole package of the 2014 game. Especially considering performance
Id rather play on a newer much better looking game than one on the shitty source engine. Either you cant afford it or cant run it. Newer game looks much better and more fun. Cant run it? Get a better computer.
Not everyone can just go out an get a better computer. Even then it'd be better to upgrade than get a whole new computer.
While Sandstorm is very much funner and looks nicer, I found it overall less enjoyable due to it running like a powerpoint during the Alpha. I have an FX 8350 and GTX 970, not exactly crap.
I mean, it's literally in beta right now. Insurgency has had over three years of continual development. And a year of Early Access.
Its also on source, which is literally magoc performance wise.
K12 i own a 1080ti with a 8700k prosessor, and sandstorm is still a bitch to run man
Someone pointed out to me that Sandstorm is now getting closer to any other generic shooter and maybe they are right. I didn't play Insurgency for its looks, I don't think most people did. It was just a very satisfying gameplay experience in its own little niche category.
Shit, I still play Rainbow Six 3 Raven Shield and Athena sword, I guarantee you it's not the graphics that have me coming back to it
It has been the same for insurgency once you play enough of it it's basically cod with 1 shot kills
Sandstorm actually feels like an overall improvement in gun handling and actual game play. What wasn't touched upon is that there is now a commander for each team with different assest available to them in very limited numbers. Keep in mind, these aren't kill streaks either. And map scale has stayed the same for most of the maps with one or two being roughly 2x bigger than the biggest maps in the original. Whoever told you its closer to a generic shooter is flat out wrong and most likely hasn't played the game for themselves. Forming that opinion from watching streams and youtube videos is understandable.. but rhis improved the original in almost everyway from a gameplay standpoint imo.
Playing the beta, I'm inching close to 'it's a generic shooter' opinion. No real incentive to go semi auto, less recoil, increased time to kill. Idk it lost some of that charm.. Co op got better though
Sandstorm is not a generic shooter at all.
Sudev Namboodiri well the recoil is more realistic in Sandstorm so....
This comparison misses the actually mattering thing: gameplay features.
I think the lighting in Sandstorm is a little too bright. The weapon models look slightly too shiny, as opposed to the darker, flatter look in Insurgency 2014. Overall, it's a pretty good looking game though.
If this game features mod support you'll be able to get darker textures for your gun
Turn your contrast down
i love the source engine. timeless.
The weapons in sandstorm are too bright and almost gray not black.
Fixed
They should have the paint look like its wearing off from being handled.
i agree, i understand that they want it to look worn but they can make it black color with a lot of scratches and stuff like the 2014 version did, its more immersive in my opinion
@@mike8386 ye
@@VRemnant but, the shotgun does have that on the magazine tube
insurgency gun sounds sound more realictic and you have the feeling you are firing actual bullets
They have a lot more punch, which is nice, though the sandstorm ones still have quite a lot of punch. The Sandstorm gun sounds are so much more realistic though. They actually sound eerily similar to how those specific guns sound in real life. The Insurgency effects have more punch, but besides that don't sound very realistic at all.
No sandstorm sounds more realistic lol. Insurgency was just louder...
@@user-mv5gx3yr7z Guns is (of course) loud lol, what do you think a real gun is, BB gun?
Sandstorm improves visually on most departments of the game, and also on the weapon sounds, although the reverberation and echoes lasted too long to be realistic in the environment that you were shooting in, they should’ve died down much quicker IMO
The sound design in Sandstorm is amazing, makes every gunfight much more exciting.
The audio for Source's Insurgency is actually louder and somewhat harsher but the audio for Sandstorm is more realistic. Also the gunfire dispersion rate, explosions and blood splatter/impact wounds are much more realistic. I play both games but even now while Sandstorm is still in Beta, its already visually better then the 2014 Insurgency. They do need to fix some minor bugs aswel as hitbox detection and some server optimization with Sandstorm but I have full faith it will all be smooted out prefectly by official release time in roughly two weeks. I will continue playing Sandstorm now and will not be returning to 2014 Insurgency.
Waiting for nov. 8 for next update. Will go back to sandstorm at that point.
So weird hearing actual reload sounds instead of anime girls screaming... Honestly, without the massive amount of mods, insurgency wouldn't be a game worth playing for me anymore so I'll be doing that as well if I do get Sandstorm.
I bought Insurgency the other day and I love it! Can't wait for sandstorm
I honestly feel that the first one had smoother gameplay
Of course, it does. Source engine is much lighter and more FPS == smoother gameplay, it's a no-brainer. But the level of detail in Insurgency SS and map sizes are much bigger. But you need more powerful PC, you can't get along with Intel built-in video cards anymore. My 4 years old GTX 770 gives about 50-60 fps (no, settings are not at max).
+Uncle Fword I don't think big maps are strictly a boon. I prefer the tighter CQB focus and blend between long range and short range that Insurgency's map design focused on personally, but I suppose that won't stop people from thinking that bigger = better.
+Plzstandbuy Outside of performance alone, there's something about the mouse and weapon movement in Insurgency source that just feels right. And the movement speeds and acceleration feel more natural.
Hopefully it's something they work on in Sandstorm.
+Kaiser Kotaki I like big maps in Insurgency SS. It feels much more realistic than in Insurgency where on any map you walking around in circles through the same buildings back and forth. At most maps in Insurgency you make a full circle around the map and finish close to where you started.
I like Insurgency, but after I've started playing Insurgency SS, I stopped playing previous game completely. By the way I play mostly coop, so if you play PvP you might feel different.
the sandstorm has detail. look at the firing pin for the bolt action sniper rifle .
immersion
yeah i noticed that clipping too
@@nolanc4175 It's not clipping, it's how the rifle actually indicates the status of the hammer (cocked/not cocked)
*Insurgency 2014 is classic*
make another up to date comparison! sandstorm looks much better now
6:34 some magic ammo belts there
The echo of gun shots, the zipping sound of shrapnel, the thundering sounds of air support (and that A-10 mmmmmmm), you can feel every explosion and holy crap is that sound design glorious.
You are running insurgerncy with anisotropic filtering 2x instead of 16x...That makes the textures look even worse.
Also no antialiasing when sandstorm is on very high
Also insurgency has some very high presets hidden in there!
Why yall acting like its gonna be way better than sandstorm if you change that lol
Did you just assume i was acting like its gonna be way better than sandstorm?
@@brakozonhs1 did you just assume that I assumed that
Insurgency sounds of the guns are more scary than Insurgency Sandstorm gun sounds
What does that even mean?
Everything is a general improvement except the colors and some of the lighting. The gun models are also too bright and washed out.
The grenade throwing and bouncing physics in source is somehow still miles better, you feel the weight of it. Also the source model takes into account the irregular shape of the grenade itself, so that it doesn't bounce in a perfect straight line on the ground.
2:01 If you have ever seen an an actual scope, you'd know that this actually happens due to the way the lens bends the light. It's not a crazy thing.
It’s still looks very unnatural due to the angle
On an actual scope the line between the obscured part and the clear part is fuzzier, and the obscured part is darker and less reflective.
One thing you forgot was the blood and gore, Insurgency has low res generic blood splashes and no dismemberment while Sandstorm has limb and head dismemberment (even hands and feet) with blood pooling, high res and varied splatters and blood splattered on walls will slowly flow down. It's not overdone either, you wont be blowing off arms and legs with a pistol. Big improvement overall and really makes the game a PTSD simulator
Great video, I'm pretty sold on sandstorm, have like 200 hours on the first one
Heh...peasant
Don't buy it I can't get 60fps with a 1080
@@Stallionmilk wow this is so sad
I have 500 hours and a refunding Sandstorm. It feels nothing like the first, super clunky.
@@Stallionmilk ya I've been heading about that, I'm hoping for better optimisation
Insurgency Sandstorm has the best sounds I ever hear in game! Its amazing!
I really enjoyed the voice acting in Insurgency but in sandstorm it doesnt feel as real and rough and like they really are in battle they feel drawn out.
We need smokes !
AA I HAVE TO RELOAD!
@@ziongarner4485 RPG RPG
Sandstorm's bolt action sniper sounds so beastly!
Nick you deserve more than 15k like 15m
the sandstorm sounds are so much cleaner and more natural feeling than the ones in insurgency
Weapon models looked better in the first one imo. The cube maps in Sandstorm are pretty bad and they brighten the weapon textures way too much.
Exactly, the weapon models themselves are pretty good but the textures look weird. They need to calm down the cube maps on them. I kinda prefer the darker look of the 1st game.
Cube maps? Tf you talking about
How about looking it up instead of asking stupid questions?
If the majority of people can't use Google then there's really no point in me explaining this since they wouldn't understand it anyway.
in source insurgency they look bland dark black imo
In the old, the sounds are more of a quick, loud crack or pop. But in sandstorm, theyre more booming and echoey
Does anyone double reload when returning to the original insurgency
Sandstorm is like Mount & Blade Warband. It’s better than the original but it doesn’t blow you away.
Gameplay, graphics, sound... everything is better in Sandstorm. Except for the voice acting.
All Insurgents goes YALA YALA
My laptop : Insurgency Modern Infantry Combat,Take it or leave it
7:41 Mini M1 Garand
"M1 Garanade"
so we discover that Sandstorm is way better in graphic than the previous title. It's quite incredible indeed!
i played both games, they are amazing but i choose sandstorm because gameplay, weapons customization, dynamic coop, commander supports and sound but map sucks in sandstorm, i miss tell and ministry in insurgency
The graphics ,the model mouvements and the sounds are really better in sandstorm.some gun still have gum bullets that doesnt even stick but yeah i love that game.
Insurgency: 200fps
Insurgency sandstorm: 3fps
The War Pug Not really.
You're right. Occasionally you'll get 0 fps while the LoD stutters.
The War Pug Then you need a new computer.
@@sethadkins546 Boi this was from 2 months ago when the optimizations were broke, I can run it fine now :P
I hope they will fix it
Just imagine a game like insurgency , but with all the capabilities of the frostbite engines realism and detail... we can only imagine...
Weapons in sandstorm are too bright and grenade explosion sound feels off. Otherwise it is an overall improvement. Really pumped to play this one.
I like how insurgency has the sounds of the bullets when they drop but insurgency sandstorms you can barely hear it
the visuals aren't amazing but the gun models gun firing animations and sounds are great. Also the gameplay is fun.
oh cool, now insurgency looks exactly like squad.
The main problem im having right now with sandstorm is the infantry movement speed. I think it needs to come down a bit. Because you are moving way to fast in my opinion.
Heavy equipment is slowing you down.
One thing I noticed was that you could hear the shells drop in insurgency but not sandstorm
Can’t wait for this game and WW3. Finally something to replace COD and BF5.
Sandstorm is cool but honestly would've rather wanted to see a remake or remaster of 2014 on newer versions of the source engine like for day of infamy
I think it gives it the advantage of being faster to run and also having better modding
At the very least, Sandstorm's sound design has advanced by miles. The only thing it doesn't capture is just how loud the initial blast of most guns is, but the sounds are much closer to real shoot sounds.
I noticed that in sandstorm the ear ringing sound triggers even before the actual bang of the nade.
I was waiting for this! Thinking about subscribing.
Hopefully we can convince you soon :)
7:27
I can already smell that hot brass.
Source Insurgency weapons look a lot better
yes they are
Not at all lol
Yes at all lol
Yes
@2222222222 222 well thats my opinion. Guns dont look that washed up, they look black. But dont call me a liar just because you dont agree with me
A side note for anyone who hasn't played Sandstorm but noticed on the grenade sound comparison that the striker lever can't be seen or heard pinging off, you can ping it off manually and cook a grenade if you want but the default throw keeps the lever on the grenade until you throw it. Though I reckon it should make the ping noise as you throw it in that case as I can imagine they probably would do that in real life.
I like the look of the old weapons a lot more honestly.
My favorite part of sandstorm is the okp when you lean to the left the reticle magically appears if you ads. But it will probably be patched during beta
The orginal version look better
7:10, the gun has two distinct bangs, just like in real life. For anyone wondering why, the first bang is the gunpowder 'exploding', launching the bullet forward, and the second bang is the sonic boom of the bullet travelling so fast. In my opinion, Sandstorm has better sound design.
Sandstorm looks far better but Unreal 4 is a mid range engine in its power and looks, only so good it can look.
Dont think unreal 4 is mid-range in graphics, it can be modified to look a lot better.
well gears of war looks better then sandstorm and its running on the same engine. its for the developers to exploit the engines capabilities.
It's the first time in my life when i heard someone say unreal engine is a mid range engine... 😳😳😳😳
Google what unreal engine is capable of my dude..your jaw is gonna drop!
@@3ATERMINATOR a lot of engines are capable of doing some impressive stuff but ive gotta admit, ive seen the impressive stuff have a lot better fps in non unreal engine games. Seems like even epic doesent know how to run it well as seen in fortnite
The sandstorm sound from guns sound more compressed. The OG Insurgency scared the crap out of me each time they're fired close to me wearing a headset.
Unfortunately guns in real life don't sound quite as exciting as movie sound teams would have us believe. The guns do still all sound quite diverse, but they won't really sound as booming and intimidating as they did in the more Hollywood Ins2.
Why do you have to hit someone so many times in the new one?
You're hitting the armor plates. Unlike Ins2, where everyone carried AP and armor may or may not have been the difference between dying to one or three shots, armor in Sandstorm has a legitimate effect in that, while unarmored targets will still succumb to 1-3 shots to center mass, a hit to the plate is unlikely to kill outright, some weapons might see as many as eight shots failing to kill targets through the plate. Hit people in the extremities or the sides or back of their torso if you don't intend to take at least a rifle.
I like your comparison. It is detailed and informations are useful. GJ
You should have also compared animations, those are absolutely beautiful in sandstorm
Maybe ill include it in a follow up video when the game officially releases
The grenade explosion in Sandstorm looks great.
Good progress on the game itself.. unfortunately at the moment, it runs like crap. I get a "solid" 70-120 fps on a 1080 and 4,2 ghz processor.. It lacks a lot of the smooth feeling of the old Insurgency
How am i supposed to drown out my team mates with suppressive fire now??
Great video, can't wait to get my PC upgraded to run this
I couldnt care less about the graphics I just wanted an improved insurgency. and I prefer the old gun sounds
I love how hard they worked on sound design. Sandstorm sounds amazing
A better looking Insurgency?! Yes!!
It feels terrible though. Nothing like the first. I am refunding it and would caution you before buying it.
^What kempf said. The first game plays a lot better. The best thing about the first game is the mod support. If you don't like the stock sounds or skins you can change them out very easily. Sandstorm is very underwhelming. I want it to succeed but in it's current state it's not very good.
Refunded it last night, 980ti i7 8700k all on lowest settings and I maxed at 40fps in gun fights. I never thought a game would run worse than pubg but they sure did manage it.
hardly
@@KempfPlus i disagree
Insurgency sandstorms sound design and the way it works sounds much better in the environment with having that slight echo effect on distance, and also providing that sandstorm has much better weapon sounds that are less like an action movie and more like an actual gun without that big ping when firing a rifle or sniper
you cant compare beta game with released game
Lev K he just did
The game is almost released, why not? Not much they can change now to improve the game.
its like 2 weeks from release
what exactly do you expect to change?
you kids just don't know what beta means
@@levk6688 if you say so but dont act surprised when the game drops and it's still in a broken state
I don't know why I find these videos so engaging...but I do. Great work yo!
what 90 's games where you playing
Tomb Raider 1996. Trees have very similar textures.
In Sandstorm it sounds like you can really hear the bolt of the gun sliding as it gets rid of spent shells which I really appreciate it sounds more metallic and realistic as in the original it just kinda sounded like the gun firing and no bolt sliding
(Only talking about the fully automatic ones)
This feel when sandstorm is shitstorm compared to insurgency. I'm talking about gameplay.
Sandstorm feels more like a battlefield game, with the echoing effect from gunshots even being replicated in it.