Was Alt Clut The Most Powerful Sub-Roman British Citadel?
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Whoops that should say 2019 at the start. It was November 2019. I was there for a few days to finish the scripts for Vikings Month and get footage for my Ivar the Boneless docco over on History Time. Hopefully soon I'll be able to go and check out a new hill fort! I can't wait. Don't forget to like and subscribe if you enjoyed the vid and let me know where you'd like to see me visit next when I can travel again. Cheers all
Listen Pete you need to make another history time video
Either way it's from the before times
@@eacalvert listen this is between me and Pete stay out of it he knows what he's doing
@@as-s9078 I wasn't replying to you but to Pete about getting the year wrong. I apologize as I was not trying to cause offense to anyone 😞
@@eacalvert jk
Brilliant! I love this channel. Pete have you ever considered doing voice overs or audiobooks? You're pronounciation and tone of voice are excellent for this, but with one caveat, your voice is so relaxing and with the relaxing music in your videos I start feeling sleepy. Keep up the great work!
This is why you put them on while at the gym. Highly recommended
Pete - i am from Stonehaven (where Dunnottar is situated). It would be really amazing if you made a video on that area. Not only do we have Dunnottar castle but we also have the oldest known Pictish fort located on a similar sea stack slightly further north. There is a wealth of history in that area - tales of hermits, saints, pirates, Roman camps etc etc.
Absolutely on the list for sure. The older fort near Dunnottar has fascinated me for a while. The place looks utterly stunning. Can’t wait to visit. I’m guessing there isn’t a way to walk on that older fort as it’s mostly fallen into the sea?
@@PeteKellyHistory Aye unfortunately the land bridge collapsed a long time ago. There is a great video by Aberdeen university that recreates it...if you haven’t seen it! it really stirs the imagination. As does the re-discovery of it being through a local man apparently having dreams of treasure to be found on the sea stack. Just wonderful, mysterious and quite spiritual.
@@leonlawson2196 I've watched that video by Aberdeen University a few times, just mesmerizing. Can you tell me any more about the man who helped find it all through his dreams?
Update to this comment - I visited Stonehaven, Dunnicaer and Dunnottar. Beautiful places. A video will out at some point!
Stonehaven is a really beautiful place. Was there many years ago on a trip between Aberdeen and Dumbarton.
Next visit needs to be to Govan (pronounced Guvan) to see the Govan stones!
Hi pretty lady. How are you doing today??
Thanks so much for making this video. Dumbarton Castle has never got the recognition that it deserves for it's place in Scottish history. I spent many summers with my Grandparents in Dumbarton in the early 1960's and in those days the Castle was often completely deserted during the day. I doubt that too many kids have had such a wonderful place for their playground.
Yay, that's the same 60's summers my sisters and I enjoyed.
Oh, wow! Did it 'feel' the same in your imagination as other places where you played make-believe, or was there any sort of extra quality to it?
@@LynxSouth I always enjoyed myself, but sadly I was too young to appreciate the majesty of the place. And in those days, the football ground was still at Boghead (at the bottom of Aunt Jenny's garden), all the land between the Rock and the "new town" - pronounced "newt'n" - still being filled with large engineering sheds, where the likes of the Sunderland flying boats were built: there's a good pic here: www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/more-should-done-remember-forgotten-21646732
@@gijgij4541 Yes, that is a good pic, thank you. Interesting article, too.
My mother spent time playing below Dumbarton castle when she was a wee girl.
We visited the castle with her before she passed.
We have wonderful memories of our visit.
Never knew that the castle had so much amazing history.
You and survive the jive are my two favorite channels for everything early medieval age and before.
Last time I visited the castle a strange aura came over me as I climbed the steps and all I could taste in my mouth was rum , there really is something spectacular that grabs you when you visit the site and take in the surroundings and atmosphere.
Thanks for making this amazing video. I went to school in Helensburgh, then Clydebank Technical College and worked in Dumbarton for many years whilst living in Helensburgh. I married in Helensburgh and then lived just up the road from Dumbarton in Balloch. I'm ashamed to say that I never visited the old fort on the rock.
Simply tremendous, Pete Kelly. Thank you.
I love the sound of your voice! Even better that you’re talking about my favorite subject. So glad that I found your channel! Thank you for the superb content!
Alt Clut (Strathclyde) is one of the most fascinating parts of British history.
@just another human Oh dear...
Your videos are so well done and extremely interesting, thank you for sharing
Just to say Pete, next time you go to Dunbarton Rock, check out Govan's old church back in Glasgow, this was were the Kings were crowned. The museums of St Mungo and Kelvingrove in Glasgow are also worth a visit (both free). On an unrelated note, there is a wharf near to the castle where Short Sunderland flying boats were made.
I know of no area on earth that is so charged with ancient history, myth and stories than Britain and Ireland. It's even in the music (Bear's dDen for instance with "Auld Wives" about the rocks outside Glasgow with faces carved into them). I hope one day you will do a series on old Celtic mythology with the same marvellous atmospheric footage and music as always making them come alive. As ever, enjoyed this one a lot again. Thanks. Kind regards from the Netherlands. Cheers.
It's so strange, but you're right. Britain and Ireland just feel magical in some way. Rome has that vibe too, but not to the extent of those.
Persia
@@Beofware Been in many a time in Rome and in other parts of Italy. Even many old ruins of Etruscans or Roman origin, but somehow the landscape, the people and food breathe a different atmosphere. I think to some dergree it's because Romans weren't very mystical and because they've written down so much themselves plus so much has been researched about them, what you see there leaves little room for imagination. For me that's like looking at remains of the Victorian age: it looks good but all too familiar.
And then there's the climate. Italy has got what's called among painters of old 'the golden light,' a warm glow that makes everything appear in a more warm, lovely guise. Britain and especially up north in Scotland it's the silver light that has to force itself between clouds, severe weather or fpog, giving everything a somewhat grim yet majestic glow.
And last but certainly not the least are the people. I do not know what it is with English, Welsh, Scots and Irish but you all seem to have been nurtured into storytelling. If I had to point out why I'm an Anglophile, I probably pointed out this aspect. I know of no other people with such rich imagination and a rich, flexible language to carry it. Like I said, it's also in the music. I loved Genesis from early on, Marillion, Porcupine Tree, Pink Floyd - the lot - which all were able to paint a story rather than just make nice music.
I hope I just didn't ass to British exceptionalism because I happen to know each people is unique and admirable in their own distinctive ways. And I certainly deplore that Britain no longer is a part of the EU. NOt to bully it in submission by the way, but to have a connection that goes beyond sharing borders. But I'll always love Britain, rough edges included.
@@Bluebelle51 Yes, to a degree and ancient Persia in particular with Zoroastroism, the mix of cultures (Medes, Parthians, Kurds), its past and its literature. Present day Iran however... I know of a few Persians I hold in high esteem, but the regime breaks the spell.
@@Pincer88 you could say the same for any European country
It's so nice to see something about my home town 😊 as a daughter of the rock, most my childhood was spent climbing and playing on the rock. It is and always will be a special place to me. X
This is the town where I was born and raised. I now live in the United States. I have learned a few things I didn’t know about the castle while watching this.
U should invest in a decent thermos m8, anything better than costa !
What kind of sad little life do you have to lead to give this a thumbs down?
Ive thumbed up bot..oh.
Maybe the thumbs down are from one of Ivar the boneless men?
Hi Pete. Great channels. How can we support you?
hello from alt clud 🖐
I'd love to see a video from you on the rest of the Hen Ogledd. Elmet - the Dark Age British kingdom in my native Yorkshire - fascinates me. It's legacy can still be seen in place-names such as Sherburn-in-Elmet.
You’re in luck. Next up on History Time. I’ve been working on it since 2018.
@@PeteKellyHistory Wonderful! Looking forward to it, Pete! =)
You deserve your own TV series, honestly! Keep making cool videos dude!
An excellent intro into an obscure corner of British History. Even the name seems from another world.
take care
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Thank you for all of your incredible work. Your historical explanations are excellent.
So enjoyed this! Good information.
That was so well put together ! I really enjoyed that. Pete Kelly has a real knack for enthralling his listeners.
great video man! keep up the good work!
Great video , loving the fact you are sharing this visit with us. Great story telling too.
You said Jacobite rebels were imprisoned by the Scottish Crown, but that strictly speaking ought to be re-phrased because the Union of the Crowns had already taken place 112 years previous to the first Jacobite Rising in 1715, so the Crown wasn’t specifically Scottish at that point. Just saying.
It’s a fabulous video and I greatly appreciate your style of documentary, both informative and highly watchable. 👍⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Hi pretty lady. How are you doing today?
Great programs. Thanks 😊
Excellent , looking forward to more
This was a superb history doc. Thank you!
It was mentioned in the Irish annals, including the years of its kings deaths and its fall.
Very informative and enjoyable.
What about the 8th century kebab shops?
Love seeing ma wee toon getting some much deserved recognition
An excellent documentary on the castle. Good to have such an encapsulated history that can inspire people to delve further. Thank you!
I’ve studied a bit of the history of Alt Clut and it certainly has had a very tumultuous past. Thanks for sharing the view on the ground. Hope to visit later this year or the next.
Fine video. Thanks.
brilliant video . such knowledge, you are schooling me soon my own home town ... bravo sir
Recently found both your channels and think they are just fascinating love learning all of the history. It's hands down my favourite time period. I certainly have nothing this old across the pond. Just brilliant videos ☺️ can't wait to watch them over and over again
Always Fun. I could live out my retirement just going from place to place in the UK. Have been many times, plan on doing more.
3:28 "Just outside Glasgow, Dumbarton is a place to visit". Wow, talk about damning with faint praise! That smack will leave a mark.
just outside birmingham is warwick also a place to visit! c;
Do all of these "places to visit" have a kebab shop?
@@DavidThomsonGlasgowThey need to be dodgy 😜
great video,respect from Scotland
Excellent photography. I believe I've gotten a real feel for the Rock and the approach to the fortress. Thank you for thinking from your viewers' point of view.
This was great! Thank You
Hi pretty lady. How are you doing today????
Another fascinating video.
And this has dropped at the perfect moment as I'm halfway through Geoffrey Ashe's book Merlin: The Prophet and his History. Great read.
I'll take this moment to proselytize my favorite historical-fiction novels ever written. Bernard Cornwell's Warlord Chronicles, which consists of 3 books: The Winter King, Enemy of God, and Excalibur.
They are the "typical" Arthurian legend, but set against mostly confirmed history. I believe them to be the best Arthurian stories ever written. The way he weaves the story of Arthur into the history of England is so fantastic, it feels like reading lost history or something.
Merlin's character is awesome in them too, which is why I even made this commercial to begin with lol
They are absolutely amazing. I will buy them for you, and I don't even know you. and I'm poor.
Thank you for this very interesting video. I lived in Alexandria for a few years and used to love visiting the Rock. Before that I lived in Kilmicheal glen near Dunadd fort. I feel privilaged to have connections with such important historical places. Thanks again.
There's something about a Scottish bagpipe that has called to me since I was a little child, so many decades ago... I'm so glad you played it in this!
What would I like? A history of the bagpipe! 😄 You did ask!
This is a gold mine
Thousands of miles away in USA there exists Book of Kells decendant, Scandi
descendant, and wee hebr. descendant.
Me own sister, a Goodsell, whom I never met ( pleese forgive me Lord, different
DADS ) has a first name Kelly. I red this
in Cleveland White Pages telephone directory.
In Brettle's book on Herc. Linton,
his ancestor is 'Declaration of Arbroath'
composer. From Russia, not sure which
boat hebr. Floated to freedom on, yet I
look up to you in the Isles again for
help with a boat prosjekt.
Will. Denny worked with Coats & Young across from this area. The back yard boat project is began in1991 might
be one of his drawings, then actual clipper/skonert, Caledonia by 1850 serving with coal and eventually harbored in Boston on East Coast.
Sure can partner in Cedar Kee, Flowida
if we're in our Right mind.
Thank you Mr. Pete for your neat research and presentation!
Will be moving to Dumbarton soon! For future reference, Govan is pronounced "Guh-vin" 😊 great video!
I’m looking foreword to watching all your videos; fascinating and fulfilling my want to go to Ireland to see all of these memorable places where my Great Grandpa and his brothers lived
Would love to listen to the history of all the castles in Scotland. You have. Done a remarkable job with your video
love the new channel. have u been to Anglesey yet? even the romans were scared of the druid pagean sites c;
Great video, really enjoyed it. Being Welsh I've always been vaguely aware of the Hen Ogledd or Old North, and have been struck by how similar some Cumberland and Strathclyde place names are to Welsh spellings. Your story brought part of it to life. Regarding your suggestion of where I would like you to go next. I suggest the Pillar of Eliseg in Llangollen. It's an impressive carved stone relating to the late Kings of Powys, 9th century. This area was part of the battleground between the Welsh of Powys and the English kingdom of Mercia. It's also not too far from the Roman city of Wroxeter in Shropshire - which some suggest could have been the base of a fourth or fifth century Welsh warlord who was the model for Arthur. You could combine the two sites or possibly make two interesting films. If you need transport you could get a train to Chester and I would be happy to meet you there and drive you around these and any related sites. Cheers!
Fascinating!
Nice historical vignettes of period dress. Good work.
Excellent rarely hear anything about this area
Glad , that i have been on the rock many a times , and now i am glad i know a little of the history , thanks !
I absolutely love your stuff, I’d love to speak to you about ancient building techniques.
Love seeing ma wee toon getting some much deserved recognition
Couple of little errors: Alt Clut meant ‘Rock on the River’ (clut, river, is where Clyde comes from) and also never call it Clyde Rock in front of a Son Of The Rock lol
and one or two other minor details
What’s truly criminal is that we don’t give our town or our history the credit it deserves. It’s mentioned in the Irish Chronicles and the Norse Sagas we still don’t talk of it in school.
Reminds me of Morro Rock here in California. The Spanish and the English would use it as a marker point for California. Drakes Bay is awesome to with its Dover look 'a' like lime stone cliffs.
You're great at this Pete. You really should think about teaching at a college or university at some point in your life. You've inspired me to travel and teach in the future.
Haha having been to the UK before I completely agree that Costa is a cheap imitation coffee
You should come see Dunnottar castle. Pronounced dun otter . Close by stonehaven is a beautiful wee village xx
Best channel on CZcams. 👍🏼
That place is a ideal fortress since you can control the waterbased traffic with it and it also offers a good view of all the surrounding areas. Though i would imagine that since it is located in Scotland and its a relatively high place. The winters might have been pretty chilly for the people who lived in there.
Nice town Dumbarton
Ohhhhhhhh fuck yea. A little Strathclyde action. Thank you my friend. A welcome distraction from the work day
Pete this was brilliant matr
It's surprisingly small to be of strategic importance. Can't be much more than a hectare or two.
the letters dd is pronounced th in welsh
I live by Dumbarton castle, I used to live very very close to it, but I moved about 3 1/2 years ago
fair play to you my friend. love your channel....and british to lol. kent. uk
Best wishes from Strathclyde
I’d love you to do a full video on the history of the Isle of Man and the Kingdom of Man.
I will one day for sure
Where would we like you to visit next? I say the older the better. There's so many interesting places, but personally I love the most ancient ones most.
I visited there once, it's pretty cool to climb the rock! I was surprised that there were so few buildings once you got up there, but it was a really cool experience :D
What's there now is largely just bits from the Napoleonic period. And, unfortunately, bloody great lumps of volcanic basalt aren't very good at absorbing archaeology. However, I'd love to know what lies in the sediments of the Leven and the Clyde.
👋 Hi Peter , you were up early and I was four yrs late watching this. Better late than never. Thanks for all your yomping ⛰🏔🗻
There's a rich seam to be mined here, hope you'll revisit! Couple of pointers pronunciation, which I hope will come across as constructive as the intention behind it, and not just nitpicking... with Alt Clud the A in Alt is pronounced is an 'ahh' sound rather than 'ayy' and the UD in Clud is a 'ooth' sound, so it's Ahhlt Clooth (the Clyde pronunciation came about as a misinterpretation of the old spelling of Clydd). Similarly Rydderch is pronounced Roother (the Brythonic pronunciation of Arthur), a form of which survives in the ancient port town of Rutherglen (now a suburb on the other side of Glasgow to Dumbarton)
Might be useful to distinguish northern Bernicia as 'Anglian' rather than English or Anglo-Saxon, since it was the expansion of Anglian conquests from tribes originating in Denmark, rather than Saxons or indeed from a united kingdom called 'England'
I came here for a documentary on rock climbing. Learned about history. Nice.
Thanks
Hi Pete loved the video. Do you know why the Britons never returned to the rock after all apart from the viking seige it had remained unconquered also have we any idea what the area looked like ie how many people.lived there and was the surrounding area covered in forest
Hi Pete have you ever visited Rathlin Island off Northern Ireland coast. It is worth a trip
If born in Dumbarton, females are known as Daughters of the Rock, males Sons of the Rock. My mother and her four sisters were all Daughters, as are my two sisters. There used to be a dare to circumnavigate the Rock on the OUTSIDE of the wall, where the ledge is sometimes only 8 inches or so wide. Aunt Betty, around 75 years ago, aged about 15, was one of the few nutters to accomplish it.
Dyfnwal were 8th century princes of Seissylwg in Wales - wonder what the connection is (assuming there is one).
Seisyllwg
As an aside the double d in P-Celtic languages (Welsh/Pictish/&etc) is a Thorn. Ch is as in Loch.
Otherwise a great video. Would recommend, if you're coming up North again after the pandemic, a visit to Dunnottar.
'dd' in Welsh is pronounced specifically as 'th'; in the English 'than'
'th' in Welsh is pronounced as in the English 'thin'
I know some of the names of these locations cause of playing M&B:Warband Viking Conquest.
I am very lucky to be born & raised in this wee town 🏔⛰🌋🗻🏞
Er... Alt Clud means ' Clyde Rock', the kingdom was 'Ystrad Clud' from which we get Strathclyde. Excavation in the '70s revealed late Roman pottery and imported pottery from the Mediterranean, "B-ware" from amphorae containing wine, glass from drinking-vessels and even a hilt from of Viking sword.
The Vikings under Ivarr "Banelass" and Olaf of Dublin were able to capture the Rock as the spring that was supposed to be 'bottomless' suddenly dried up! The King of Strathclyde, Artalgis, or "Arthur"- there were two kings of Strathclyde bearing this name- managed to slip past the Vikings and headed north to seek help from the Picts. Unfortunately, the Scottish king Constantine ambushed him and killed him! This is because the Gaeilc Scots and the Vikings had an 'understanding' if not an alliance against the Picts and Strathclyde Britons!
The Vikings used Alt Clud as a base for slavery raids. An Anglo-Saxon writer claimed that 200 ships carrying 40 enslaved Britons, Angles and Picts, each, sailed from there to the slave markets of Dublin and Muslim Spain. Note the conspicuous lack of Scots among the list of enslaved-don't forget the 'understanding' between the Vikings and Gaelic Scots...
If ou could add total war {pc game} gameplay into your videos, that would be awesome, great videos btw :)
very interesting .
Thanks Pete.
Btw, you're helping confirm that you and I do indeed share reading interests. Cheers, brother!
Hi pretty lady. How are you doing today????
One day perhaps Faslane and Coulport will loose its nuclear and military connections and be included in history books and CZcams films
You make Dumbarton look so much nicer than it is lol, it is very nice but not as nice as you make it look
How did that Boneless guy take the castle? Great video!!
Story goes the castle occupants simply ran out of drinking water after some time & gave up
The Rock is such a badass name for a nigh impregnable castle
Pretty good action movie starring Sean Connery and Nicholas cage too. That particular 'rock' being Alcatraz prison in San Francisco bay.
I have had an interest in the history of alt clut and Rhydercchh hael since I found out that my surname (Prothero) is derived from his name and is a possible ancestor. Thank you for this video 👍
dumbarton and dunbar castel in lothian are on a parallel.?