Decrypting the Alt-Right: How to Recognize a F@scist | ContraPoints
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- A critical video about the deceptive strategies used by the Alt-Right to appeal to centrists.
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"edgy shitposter hilariously memed his car into a group of people"
It was pretty funny
stilldanger 1337 I can’t tell if you’re joking or if you’re actually defending a fascist who drove his car into a group of people protesting fascism
@@kristen8052 turns out he is defending a fascist driving his car into a group of people
@@DDD033 Well Antifa's actions are tolerated and defended by many on the libertarian left, no one on the libertarian right is defending the driver only the alt-right which Antifa helped build.
@stilldanger 1337 i suggest you watch Shaun's video on the rally. There's footage of him standing in a line with other nazis holding plywood sheilds with nazi iconography on them. Its ok to not know things but dont assert ignorance as fact
My favorite term for people who say offensive things and decide whether or not they were joking afterwards due to reaction is the "Schrodinger's Douchebag."
ViaVia A fellow innuendo studios viewer, I see
bet you couldn't back that comparison up
@Tranquility May I ask why you say that?
@Tranquility In what way? Prager U says outright lies and then claims that they're like "college classes." Innuendo Studios psychoanalyses the alt-right, never claims anything he says as fact, and then also makes non-political videos.
@Star Trek Theory If you call things Jewish just because it's leftist, you're part of the problem.
Can’t believe how freaking relevant this video still is! It’s like we’ve stood still for the last 5 years.
The lies that these dogs use are thousands of years old. We won’t be rid of them any time soon. Best we can do is beat them down when they show their heads again. Last time, that took a world war.
It took Hitler almost 2 decades to get into power and another 12 years to finally be stopped. Bigotry and fascism are deep seated illnesses of the human psyche.
More like go backwards…
Oof. It's painful.
It will still be relevant 50 years from now
I know this came out five years ago, but I'm only finding you now, and good god was I about to lose my mind. Thank you. You're brilliant.
Same!
ITS NEVER TOO LATE!! :D
read Michael Parenti's "blackshirts and reds" its rlly good
"Western ideals."
Bold of you to assume Europeans can agree on something.
Romans, Saxons, and Danes. yaknow, the people that spent the last four thousand years killing each other and only stopped because nukes were invented?
@@gearandalthefirst7027 sure we can... we just cannot agree on what we agree on.
"Western Ideals"
Half of the things shown are or originated in Greece.
Greeks are not "western".
Greeks not mentioned in speech.
Vikings who raided and pillaged villages mentioned instead.
Right wing leaning douchbag: Yar am such a Viking, me so proud!
Yeah that always blows my mind. That somehow Europe has agreed on basically anything over its centuries of history. Out of any habitable region in human history Europe is probably the one with most conflict and turmoil, largely due to tumultuous geo-politics and cultures. There is no "The West (TM)" it's just a region that very recently has coalesced into something vaguely resembling a common culture after centuries of nearly continuous conflict, but even that ignores the thousands of major distinctions that still exist.
This is also trotted out when talking about Mexicans. But aren't Mexicans about as multicultural as we are? Wasn't Mexico absorbed by Spain?
Spain is literally the westernmost mainland European country.
“We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.” - Kurt Vonnegut.
Not really working out for this dude pretending to be a woman.
@@no_idea8012 edgy
@@no_idea8012 que merda hein
@@emmettbattle5728 She can't, but this isn't the case.
I also find it hilarious that they love the Nordic countries.... which are all social democracies.
Would you consider doing an updated version of this video? I feel like a lot has gone down in the last five years and we could all use a more modern refresher on fighting fascism!
I second this!
muh fascism..
@@GermanicAurelianThere's nothing wrong with being white. It's just wrong to not tolerate coexisting with people of other races. The rest of the world does it (besides North Korea). Why is that hard to understand.
@@chrissyweaver3475 North Korea is a bad example. They're not racist, they're ideoalogues. South Koreans are the exact same as them ethnically
Trying to point out dog whistles to people who don't hear them is basically being William Shatner's character in the famous gremlin Twilight Zone episode (Nightmare At 20,000 Feet). You see something that poses immediate danger, but no one else sees it no matter how hard you try to show them. You're written off as insane and then, after a while, the people who didn't believe you end up seeing the damage you tried to prevent.
Or, maybe, you're just a paranoid idiot :)
Well said.
Natalie thanks for not deleting this
@Pep Tbh I wouldn't be so quick to make those conclusions. Natalie has almost a million subscribers and probably receives hundreds of emails a day, I'm sure she didn't ignore you because she didn't want to help you. Also, I think she did do debates in the past but it wouldn't surprise me if she has decided to permanently avoid them from now on. Debating isn't for everyone, things can get heated really quickly and some people don't like the stress and anxiety that comes with defending your points.
If you're in serious need of leaving the alt-right, or you need some convincing, may I suggest some leftist debaters and/or CZcamsrs that I think do leftism and the deconstruction of alt-right talking points justice, such as: Innuendo Studios (he has a series called 'The Alt-Right Playbook'); Vaush; Peter Coffins; Philosophy Tube; Destiny (his videos from around 2 years ago are chock-full of debates against alt-righters, and Destiny more often than not does a decent amount of research before he debates those people).
All in all, finding someone to talk you through whatever is going on in your head and your thoughts is tricky. But I think you'll find the most success in being open with people on the left about how you feel and telling them that you want to change your worldview for the better. I wish you the best of luck.
Pep
What points?
@Pep Pep Hi, I have been in a similar position to you. There are some other good channels that you may or may not already know which pick apart the arguments that lead people towards fascism including Shaun, and Innuendo Studio's 'Alt right playbook' which explains how people can be drawn to the alt right. For now, if you're still looking to try and get out of the alt right way of thinking, the first thing I did was unsubscribe from all political themed CZcams channels and I also stayed away from political discussion and news sites as much as I could for months. Since things are obviously so tense right now, you're likely to see things that will annoy you from BLM. I have found that to be the case with myself, even though I consider myself in support of their cause, and some of the things that I used to hear from alt right circles have started popping up in my mind as a result (which is why I actually came back to this video to try and help myself). So, if you're vulnerable then I really advise staying off social media and news sites altogether right now. Especially avoid Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and Reddit if you use any of these. Take a break to clear your head because politics in general is a huge headache. Really, I wish you good luck leaving the alt right, and if you want to talk I'm happy to do so.
*Definitely unsubscribe from David Duke, dear god man.
@Pep You might relate to a video by Xanderhal titled "How I Fell Down The Alt Right Pipeline And Escaped."
@Pep Not sure how far down the pipeline you are, but in addition to all these other mentions, Christian Picciolini was an ex Neo-Nazi leader and extremist who has some real powerful insight on what its like to go down the worst of paths. Not too sure if this is a just a throwaway comment or troll post or not, but I hope "wanted to leave the alt right" isnt really in past tense and you still want to change, because thats the biggest key; your investigative reasoning and willingness to learn and understand, and do it correctly. I can sit here and quote and provide resources all day but it wont matter unless you, yourself, truly want to understand.
Ive never been in your shoes and I have NO idea how you came to the conclusions you may have come to concerning the alt right, but on a baseline level of thinking, if everyone lived by these words, the world would be a far better place and im sure any rational person would agree;
"Do whatever it is you want to do, as long as you arent preventing anyone else from doing what they want to do"
It really is that simple. If you were to go into specifics it would be easier to identify what to say to you, but I hope you find your way out. Its not easy when youre surrounded by that stuff your whole life, but the alt-right is truly virulent and toxic at its core and I really, really wish you the best in figuring that out for yourself.
"They have the right to free speech, but they don't have the right to a megaphone".
Just, perfect, I always felt like that but I wouldn't have found more fitting words to express it in a million years.
Contra,you or your fans don't know what Fascism is.
Fascism is the idea of a one party dictatorship not Nazism or White Nationalism/Supremacy. Lauren Southern is not a Fascist for believing in the great replacement a neither is Brittany Pettibone or James Allsup. Are they Alt-Right? Maybe. Fascist? No. If they do not believe in a one party dictatorship like what's practiced in North Korea then they are not a Fascist.
Please don't throw around the term "Fascist" just call them "Alt-Right" because if they embrace a Rebuplic/Democracy then they are just Alt-Right not Fascist.
Donald Trump is NOT a Fascist. Someone explain to me how Donald Trump has embraced a one party dictatorship. And even if the meaning of Fasicst was equal to the meaning of Alt-Right Donald Trump would still not be a Fasicst. just because he call some countries hellholes (because they are) doesn't make Donald Trump Alt-Right. In no way has the president promoted White Supremacy,Neo-Nazism,Ethno-Nationalism,etc. He never claimed Neo-Nazis were "fine people" although he did say they're are good people on both sides he did not imply their ideology(s) we're good.
Antifa is no better than anyone. The Alternative right never claimed to be for free speech,Richard Spencer has stated in the past that he is against free speech. The Alternative right and left are both against free speech and Neo-Nazis don't claim to be for freedom of speech. Although the Alternative right took down one of your videos (which I think is wrong that they took down your video) Antifa causes much more violince when it comes to deplatforming and censorship.
Also you like to say people would fear for they're lives because of the Alternative right or White Nationalism,then how come you support Antifa? Right wingers get scared by Antifa because their lives are being threatened by far left Marxist Globalist ideology's. If you really cared about people's lives being threatened then you wouldn't support Marxist Commie Antifa. Also the Alternative right as almost little to no real political power unlike like Antifa (supporters) where we have AOC and her squad not even CONDEMNING Antifa when bombing an ICE facility.
@@angelbarajas9180 he tryed many times to block the other party in illegal ways , he tryed to put religious and spiritual people to go in government so that they try to make laws based on church views , i am activist for human rights i know what you dont
@@baiatfemininimpotrivamascu7549 You sound arrogant
granudisimo
_______________If you deny someone else the right to speak you are only harming your own.
@Star Trek Theory
__________________Every college, almost, has some "antifa" or lgbt organizations on campus somewhere. In case you've been living under a rock, those claiming to be "antifa" ARE the fascists. They are the new Blackshirts and Brownshirts. (google those) ...and they're partnering hand in hand with lgbt and trans-activists. Dig into it for just 20 minutes and you'll discover the truth. Start with googling Blackshirts and Brownshirts.
Is this not what lgbt activists and so-called "antifa" are doing right now? >>> "...disrupting campus events, threatening and beating up dissenters, and enforcing a conformity of thought and practice in line with the regnant ideology. Notice the close similarity between this fascist bullying and the conduct of the American left today."
Google that quote to see the truth...as well as the evidence supporting it.
Interesting that all these years later its still totally up to date, Thanks Nat
Nigga looking like he about to kidnap someone into his car
please never delete this, it's the most useful definition of american fascism I know of
@ניקאָלאַי ברומאָווסקי elaborate?
Sorry, would explain your working definition of fascism?
@@rinnhart fascism is to have laws and standards and uphold them
@@user-ej3iw8lw3w And communism is having a take a penny leave a penny tray. Go read your Umberto Eco.
@@rinnhart the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, chauvinistic, and imperial elements of finance capital
Huge shout-out to everyone in the comments who held alt-right believes and was drawn in by their rhetoric, but started questioning and joined the rest of society. Admitting you were wrong is among the hardest thing for anyone.
FallingForFiction So true! We all make mistakes
Who ever actually does that??
Yeah, I was actually raised with alt-right beliefs, but thank god friends, family, and college teachers talked some sense into me. Used to be your typical pro-life, anti-gay, immigration hating white kid; and it's obviously easier to admit online, but at least it's the case.
@@BillCarrIpswich I actually don't watch Sarkeesian, and I don't bother with sexual relationships period (I don't even care about sexuality, really). But your rational reaction has shown me the error of my ways, why don't I insult random people without making a point like you?
@@incubus_valentine raised with "altright" beliefs? A term coined three years ago?
no one tell the Fascists that Romans thought blonde hair and blue eyes were indicative of “Barbarians” and not attractive qualities 👀
Well the Italians were not even considered white until the 20th century, and there is still a lot of racism today in the US against Italians
@@theblackdeath4398 as an Italian who has Italian friends who moved to the Us I nevere noticed racism against us but if you did I am open to a confrontation. :)
(Pardon my poor English I am still in the process of learning the language)
@@theblackdeath4398 You are embarrassing yourself repeating this nonsense verbatim.You only see the world through an unoriginal lens of oppression and resentment. You have no idea how the real world works. Your version of reality is that warped.
@@m4rtina. molto probabilmente stanno parlando della migrazione alla fine del 19esimo e inizio del 20esimo secolo, ma anche se fosse quello non era razzismo, ma più pregiudizi e stereotipi; inoltre classismo, perché la maggiorparte erano poveri. Al giorno d'oggi se sei un italiano bianco in America non proverai nessuno pregiudizo o perlomeno poco e raro.
Yeah lmao I don’t think those people would have had a good time in ancient Rome 😂
Girl, you just described some of my right side toxic exes with the whole “it’s just a joke that normies won’t understand” and the shifting blame. I honestly just feel heard and someone were able to word out the experience I wasn’t able to comprehend
A friend recently shared this with me after I posted something about Jordan Peterson. My head is honestly spinning. I feel as though the past couple of years I've been this "centrist" unable to see the red flags. I'm honestly flabbergasted. How can people be so evil? How can fascists actually still be around and not just that but carry such an (apparently) large and covert presence, influencing people across all social media platforms? How do I tell the difference between someone who has just fallen victim to their talking points and them? This feels insane to me, like, is this just a conspiracy? I hate the internet. Inauthenticity is so frustrating and depressing.
jordan peterson has many a day taken offence to anyone throwing shade at the holocaust. this should tell you everything you need to know
“How do I tell the difference between someone who has just fallen victim to their talking points and them?” Is there much of a difference? If a person is manipulated into adopting fascist ideas, then that person now believes in fascist ideas, and they are now dangerous.
I’m glad your friend shared this with you, and I’m glad it seems to have made a difference. You’re asking important questions.
@juliemanning4917 I totally understand. It is insane, and I wish I could tell you we are just being paranoid. Unfortunately I have personally seen people go down fash rabbit holes… like, the real deal. I saw them get radicalized and become scary. It was very traumatic. I do believe it now. The good news is I also believe there are more sane people. The moral arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice. On a long enough timeline, we win. Please take care.
I recommend watching the movie Rhinoceros starring Gene Wilder. It’s quite good.
It's not a conspiracy unfortunately. You can ask them morality questions to find out their true nature. I would recommend THE RIGHTEOUS MIND
Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion
By Jonathan Haidt
Remember: free speech protects you from the government, not the people.
Remember sometimes you fuck with the wrong bull .
Freedom of speech
Not freedom of consequence
Chalk O'holic I agree entirely that the intent of the law must be recognized. You haven't however discussed the current perversion of the law, where hate speech is being protected under the pretense of freedom of expression. This utterly violates the protective intention of the law, which ought to be demonstrated.
@Chalk O'holic It doesn't provide the exact same threat, or else it would already be prohibited by further court rulings on the first amendment. This isn't the legal pretense on which progressives think hate speech shouldn't be protected. That legal pretense is that speech which is intended to provoke violence is not protected under the first amendment, as court rulings have decided. Speech that is intended to create stochastic hate violence in terrorism (which the alt-right does on a regular basis), or to radicalize people towards ideologies that demand the mass murder of millions, is advocating and provoking violence against non-white people and other targets of fascism. So through this lens fascism and fascist rhetoric is always speech advocating violence because fascism itself is always violent, both interpersonally and systemically.
That isn't the point of free speech at all. Free speech exists to ensure that the free exchange of ideas that underpins democracy stays healthy. If there's a huge social current that represses free speech that is equally destructive to democracy and its premise of free exchange of ideas as a repressive government is. Free speech is not about the government, it is about ensuring the functioning of democracy, which can't function without free speech. This also means that absolute free speech doesn't really make sense. It's useless to protect speech that isn't allowed in democracy to begin with, like spreading nazi ideology. Unfortunately America just doesn't understand what freedom of speech is and why it exists so I often see viewpoints like freedom of speech has to be absolute or freedom of speech is only for the government. Both wrong.
[Edit] RESPONSE TO CRITICISM: The biggest (often intentional, I'm guessing) misunderstanding of this video is that I think saying "I'm not a fascist" means you are a fascist. No. Saying "I didn't kill him, your honor" doesn't mean you killed him. But it's not in itself definitive proof you didn't either. The point is this: fascists have good reasons to deny being fascists, so they often do. Thus, denial isn't proof of innocence (and neither is it proof of guilt, of course). This ought to be really obvious. But people so often say, "Richard Spencer says he's not a white supremacist." As if that proves it.
The other major misunderstanding is that I think anyone who uses dog-whistles like "Western culture," Kekistan, etc., is a fascist. But of course I don't. The reason fascists use dog-whistles is to appear less like fascists, to blend in with non-fascists. If everyone who used the dog-whistles was a fascist, the strategy wouldn't work. This is so obvious and so clear in the video that I can only think people are being deliberately obtuse to misrepresent me. [End Edit]
What I want people to take away from this video is an ability to perceive the general strategies fascists use, not just the particular symbology they happen to use at this particular moment. Pepe, milk, the OK sign, Kekistan: all of this is quickly being abandoned by savvy fascists. Normies have caught on. It's on the news. People recognize it as fascist. So it won't work anymore. They'll shift to something else, probably something even more subtle. The only way to keep up is to watch fascists closely or listen to people who do.
ContraPoints contra, will you marry me?
ContraPoints Was the ok sign really used seriously though?
Besides, I thought the Illooninati owned that gesture...
ContraPoints Kekistan was never a fascist symbol, nor was Pepe. The white nationalists tried to take them as more than they are, they're just memes.
Napoleon Bonaparte Indeed
I agree 100% and hear it here first people; fascist get off on white babies. lol jk
Contrapoints, I'm rewatching this now and I've realized that, as your transition has progressed, your eyes have begun to shine in a way they never did before
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@@Lisa_Minci96 pardon me, but do you know what that word even means?
@@user-ld6me2yt8o plenty well
It's so cool to look back at these and see that your production quality has gone up so much, but it's the same banger content. Evergreen.
Good comment!
Also, +1! Your videos have consistently allowed me to question my opinions (and crack my egg)!
Good comment
LUMI! lumirSnug
Don't be afraid of "fascists", be afraid of "not fascists, BUT"
I’m not facists but I-
A normal and non-suspicious box
What’s in the box?
These days, it seems like they're more and more ready to drop the act. Be very afraid of overt fascism when it's seen as anything other than a horrifying extreme. Be especially afraid of openly fascist politicians gaining substantial votes. Remember that fascism is a known failure mode of specifically democracies, and that they historically haven't needed a majority to push through a vote ending the democracy that spawned them.
Sal Wolffs
How would you describe them without using the word fascist, which has become a dog whistle for regular conservatives signalling that you’re just a “communist trying to destroy the country”?
People are made to respond in that way though if they give a view on immigration such as " you can't just let them all in they drive down the wages and cripple the economy" people just respond with " racist" or "right winger" then you end up saying something along the lines of "I'm not racist, but not all immigrants are non white". It's even hard to be lefty nowadays without being accused of thought crime.
"Look, I don't want to kill and oppress you, I just vote for people who make laws to do that while increasing the power of my own vote."
-George Not-a-Fascist
Hey, I’m a conservative and this kind of rhetoric conveyed in this video and the comments I’ve seen below are incredibly problematic in my view, the leftist in this video is incredibly manipulative and charming, I’m not gonna lie he’s kind of funny and I laughed out loud a few times, that being said if you’d like to debate/discuss certain issues that’d be very much appreciated and I’m open to new ideas. (If you feel the need to call me a Nazi do it through discord) here’s my discord, feel free to add me and discuss certain things with me: Rusty Bucket#6831
Razzle Cherry holy run on sentence, you really like that copy and paste button don’t you? 😂
@@ClubPenguinFan106 Conservatism is usually understood as conservation of social mores. That is the generally apparent aim of conservative policies and the sort of definition dictionaries give. Pragmatism in conservative ideology has no view toward the future of the species, as it can only look backward to more divided and geographically isolated times in which the idiosyncrasies of culture asserted themselves more stridently owing to the prevalence of those contingencies, and therefore, within conservatism as I see it, actions are evaluated according to their propensity to engender and perpetuate the concepts the in-group distinguishes itself by. I'm saying it's a cultural approach to reality: "Our culture is a great product of nature/god/social evolution, and the problems around us in this world are caused by straying from our true cultural roots like the Israelites at Sinai!", and so forth. Our culture of free markets, or whatever, and Greeks and stuff. Apple pie and hard work fighting the Indians. Tax cuts for everyone, especially the rich! It's a feedback loop emerging from that ancient tendency to see shapes and feel terror in the darkness because it helped us survive in the jungle. If you're going backwards, why stop at a generation or two? I understand that the apogee is always after the coming renaissance, again-again, but what is being reborn? Anywho, I apologize if I'm strawmanning, most American conservatives couldn't watch the RNC and honestly disagree with this representation of their views, but how do you defend a system opposed to adaptation in an ever changing world by appeals to the natural order of things? If you believe as I do, that the good things creatures experience in this world while being alive are primarily a result of resistance to the natural order, if a Platonic stability in a thing's defining characteristics is the essence of quality, what could be more stable than an altruistic society striving for a world where everyone's needs are met and work becomes its own reward in a real sense? They cannot advocate the stability of conflict, so they defer to the inevitable inertia of their system, conflating certainty with stability, and inevitability with necessity. Thanks for reading all the way to the end if you did. What's happening in America is deeply disturbing. What's happening is more and more of what's been happening.
Kayy Snow I mean, I wanted to reach as many people as possible, this kind of shit sends chills down my spine
@@ClubPenguinFan106 why does this shit send chills down your spine?
Had a coworker straight up deny Charlottesville happened. The same coworker recently made transphobic remarks. We're backsliding and I'm terrified.
Not backsliding. Mask is just off. Always been this way g it’s the first step of progress
@@avacadomangobanana2588 Hating minorities is progress? Mkay dude.
@@theangryholmesian4556 the fact that’s what you gleened from that shows you’re not as smart as you think you are 💀💀💀
@@theangryholmesian4556 all you got is anger and no actual sense or ability to process anything. Reactive AF
@@avacadomangobanana2588I think they mistook what you meant. I agree with you I think. Things get worse before they get better, is what you were trying to say?
as a german im happy that we learned all those dog-whistles in school :)
You are a shame
Your country is currently supporting a genocide in a Palestine
@balladofthebroken7569
True but Muslims still worship a dead pedophile and will still decapitate people for not being Muslim and hailing from the west.
@@bobothetransdimensionalhob2659 imagine being this stupid and islamophobic
I love how Richard Spencer says "our ancestors had a strong sense of identity" when referring to his 19th century conception of whiteness, a social category that had absolutely no place in the ancient world and would've been ridiculed if even suggested. If you told a Roman that he was of the same race as Celt, he would've slapped you in the face and accused you of insulting him by comparing him to a "barbarian". Do these people forget that in ancient Europe, that time that they fetishize and fantasize about all of the time, the various "white" races were busy slaughtering and conquering one another? There was no such thing as the "white race" at that time.
The same thing happened with Irish and Italian people moving to America in the early 1900's. Today's alt right people just see them all as white but back then? They'd have gotten curb stomped for even insinuating that they were the same as the"Born and Bred Americans 'tm'"
@@donotgotthis exactly. These people don’t seem to understand how the term white began and has expanded since its adoption in the 16th century. Prior to then there was no concept of a white race to begin with and the bar for whiteness has fluctuated consistently throughout its history. Ironic for a group of people that like bring up the colonization and genocide of the Irish and other celts but only to downplay genocides done to contemporary non white groups.
You're hilariously ignorant. Race has _always_ existed.
The Romans literally backstabbed a usurper (Aemilian) to the purple at least in part because he was from North Africa. As soon as he was challenged by a White man they defected en masse. Within a few months the foreign usurper was overthrown. Lmao!
"I don't like race, therefore it doesn't exist"
- All Leftists
@@antivaushistischeaktion4690 ok, I have a question for you, both as a latinist and an actual historian of ancient Roman. If the Romans understood the concept of race in the same way as modern people, what was the Latin word for “white” (in the context or race- I can tell you from experience with the Latin Corpus that “albus” was only used as a color term, not as a descriptor of skin color).
Should be quite easy to find if your postulation is true. Good hunting, amice!
@@antivaushistischeaktion4690 No one was saying Rome wasn't very suspicious about foreigners. Rome did have its biases and looked down at people who weren't Roman, the thing is they didn't really care if you were a white non roman or a black non roman.
If they want to preserve culture so badly, they ought to remember that kicking fascist ass is a huge part of American and European culture.
@Jason Wessalowski im sure they have some sort of reasoning that required the alt rights patented, mental gymnastics to justify.
Every story I've ever heard about Nazis or KKK members leaving those hate groups involved white incel men meeting a woman that talked them out of it. When you gotta choose between "Genocide" and "Pussy," ALWAYS choose pussy :)
Whoop!
Noe Naim, Here's a rather famous example of that:
czcams.com/video/VM6HZqQKhok/video.html
The vast majority of bigoted people in this world are only that way because of misinformation. Sometimes the misinformation comes from their parents, but more often than not it comes from the political powers in a country that use bigotry for political gain. Which is how after a bigoted person comes into contact with someone who isn't a bigot, that they're actually willing to listen to, they often change very quickly indeed. Because they're finally listening to the facts.
@@EazyMothafuckingE Not a fan of history I see
Natalie, your work educating people on facism is some of the most important content on CZcams. Thank you so much for what you do.
Thanks for being brave enough to be a voice of sanity.
i hate how this is even more relevant 2 years later
And the area of relevance expanding 😶
So true
it’s way too fucking relevant
thanks i hate it
Bash the goddamn fasc
As a Writing/Communications major in college, one of the first classes I ever had to take was "Close Reading & Analysis" and honestly, it completely changed my life. I have no idea why stuff like that isn't mandatory in the public education system, it helps you understand the subtext and motivations behind basically everything you absorb as a human being. But I guess people meme on the whole "lack of critical thinking skills" aspect of education for a reason.
One of the things I love the most about my university is that there are 2 courses that are compulsory for everyone: Sociedad y Estado (Society and State, history basically, it explains several popular uprising that lead to things we have today and why they happened -like publoc healthcare, public universities, workers rights, etc-) and Pensamiento Cientifico (Scientific Thinking, that also included logic and discourses analysis).
Despiste the fact that the right has taken funding and demonished it, they failed (mainly because the funding was reinstated and 1st world governments make donations towards it becausr we produce great scientists, psychologists, doctors, etc)
@@8LyJu8 Which university, if you wouldn't mind sharing? That's gotta be Portuguese or Spanish. Are you in South America?
@@anonymousposter6461 University of Buenos Aires, in Argentina.
It is not mandatory because it would make it harder to influence the masses and that is not good for the state.
das muss ich dir zustimmen
For me, this is one of the most influential piece of content here on YT, this video was basically my gateway to leftist worldview. Before that I had the normie centrist opinions because that's the only narrative I was fed by the mainstream media. Kinda hard to escape from it.
i'm very sorry for you.
No you're not.
I wish i had seen this a couple of years ago because I left my edgelord phase this year only and every point you stated is exactly what I used to believe in
It’s crazy how blatant ignorance can lead you to believe anything
same fam. May we choose to better ourselves each day.
It’s crazy how blatant ignorance can lead you to believe anything
including the idea that a man can be a woman
Lmao the only based and non kosher comment here.
@@user-ej3iw8lw3w it's crazy how you don't believe in science 😂
@@user-ej3iw8lw3wi hope youve changed as a person, you miserable dog
"hilariously memed his car into a crowd of people"
I feel so awful for laughing.
dont its a joke
Laughter will get us through the darkness. Just watch a Mel Brooks movie. A war hero and a son of Jewish immigrants - and a comedy genius - who made it his life's work to ridicule Nazism.
@Piriathy Isn't that just hovering an arbitrary gavel over jokes, ready to slam down and affirm your own biases and preconceptions regarding others' intentions as inherent truth?
Yeah, took a cue from lovely muslims
@@psycher7 and blacks
‘hilariously memed his car into a crowd of people’ may be the saddest sentence i’ve ever heard
I had to pause the video because i was so confused about what i was feeling
That killed me.
Almost literally.
It´s actually the funniest.
Wow, never in my life have I ever felt more truly educated than when watching this entire channel, and I mean the entire thing, not just this video. What I've seen so far has been more useful to me than anything I've seen/heard/read in either school, uni, or side reading.
i feel bad for the maker of pepe, having his creation used by fascists.
He didn't accept them either. Poor guy
@@Dos_Caffeine yh
Does anybody else notice the irony of the alt right hating multi-culturalism when a lot of them praise Christianity, a religion which was developed by a man of Jewish ancestory in Palestine? Even their own worldview can't escape the fact that cultures one in way or another mix and interact with each other.
so this is something that you've probably never thought of, white people are not a singular group, there are actually a variety of white ethnic groups with different heritage and culture. use that instead of the whole christian thing.
"Ehmm christianity was created by the Greeks in the byzantine empire. The old testament is written in Greek"
How can somebody be this ignorant.
"They were conducted by people who were not largely Palestinian or 'Jewish', many of whom were Greek."
I'm perplexed as to why you put "Jewish" in quotes, but ignoring that for the moment:
Christianity did a bit more than "start as a Jewish cult." Its claim to truth is completely based on Jewish Messianic prophecy. Christianity is, at its core, a claim to absolute truth about the nature of God and the fate of the human soul. If Judaism is completely wrong, then so is Christianity.
The giving of the Torah, and its subsequent fulfillment by divine prophecy is the cornerstone of Christian faith, and if you don't accept it, literally nothing else in Christianity makes any sense. If you only care about Christianity because it has some historic connection to your people, you care about Christianity like people care about football teams. "Well, I'm from Tottenham...might as well be a Spurs fan!"
"Christendom is essentially synonymous with Europe."
The Ethiopians, Copts, and Syriacs would like to have a word with you. Also, North America, South America, and Australia, but I'm assuming you meant for most of the last 2,000 years.
"Anywhere it exists outside Europe it has a very ethnic flavour to it, which separates it from European Christianity"
Have you ever been in an Eastern Orthodox Church? What language were the services in? I'll tell you: it depends on the ethnicity of the people where the Church is based, rather than the vernacular of the country where the parish is. This has been true for the entirety history of the Eastern Orthodox Church, which is why you'll typically hear more Russian than English spoken in a Russian Orthodox Church in the Anglosphere. The Anglo-Catholic churches are the exception to the "ethnic church," not the rule.
Also, since we've apparently shifted to the present day, does South America practice European Christianity? If so, at what point do we get to call it South American Christianity? If not, what ethnic flavour does Peruvian Catholicism have, exactly?
Christianity also isn't an exclusively European thing now. Most Christians in the world aren't white or European. This is partially why more intelligent ethnonationalists are instinctively averse to it: because it forsees a future in which the entire world is "ther Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female..[but] all one in Christ Jesus." It eventually forsees [and advocates for] the death of ethnic particularism with regard to spiritual beliefs. This has always been its stated goal.
"many on the Alt-Right are not religious, many are even pagans."
HOLY FUCKING SHIT WE'VE COME FULL CIRCLE
"We can rebrand it."
If you think you can do this, you don't understand what religion is or why it's important.
Many of us on the Alt Right are against Christianity. I agree with you that pro-whites praising Semitic desert nonsense makes absolutely no sense at all, but the Christcucks see things a different way.
for the millionth time the first amendment protects you from the government not the natalie
Contra,you or your fans don't know what Fascism is.
Fascism is the idea of a one party dictatorship not Nazism or White Nationalism/Supremacy. Lauren Southern is not a Fascist for believing in the great replacement a neither is Brittany Pettibone or James Allsup. Are they Alt-Right? Maybe. Fascist? No. If they do not believe in a one party dictatorship like what's practiced in North Korea then they are not a Fascist.
Please don't throw around the term "Fascist" just call them "Alt-Right" because if they embrace a Rebuplic/Democracy then they are just Alt-Right not Fascist.
Donald Trump is NOT a Fascist. Someone explain to me how Donald Trump has embraced a one party dictatorship. And even if the meaning of Fasicst was equal to the meaning of Alt-Right Donald Trump would still not be a Fasicst. just because he call some countries hellholes (because they are) doesn't make Donald Trump Alt-Right. In no way has the president promoted White Supremacy,Neo-Nazism,Ethno-Nationalism,etc. He never claimed Neo-Nazis were "fine people" although he did say they're are good people on both sides he did not imply their ideology(s) we're good.
Antifa is no better than anyone. The Alternative right never claimed to be for free speech,Richard Spencer has stated in the past that he is against free speech. The Alternative right and left are both against free speech and Neo-Nazis don't claim to be for freedom of speech. Although the Alternative right took down one of your videos (which I think is wrong that they took down your video) Antifa causes much more violince when it comes to deplatforming and censorship.
Also you like to say people would fear for they're lives because of the Alternative right or White Nationalism,then how come you support Antifa? Right wingers get scared by Antifa because their lives are being threatened by far left Marxist Globalist ideology's. If you really cared about people's lives being threatened then you wouldn't support Marxist Commie Antifa. Also the Alternative right as almost little to no real political power unlike like Antifa (supporters) where we have AOC and her squad not even CONDEMNING Antifa when bombing an ICE facility.
Blinking ARMY-L You don't know what fascism is. It's the idea of conform or else. Also do you realize the Nazis were democratically elected?
Blinking ARMY-L I’ll agree with your one party definition of fascism, but the rest? It’s damn similar to the strategy mentioned in the video. You should watch it. Maybe you’re a confused normie like me or an AR newbie?
AK That definition of facism is Bullsh*t. That's just authoritarianism.
Francis Friesen practically speaking they seem pretty similar to me. If you’re against one then you’re against the other, as far as I can tell.
Hello! This is very relevant in 2023 to me. As a Ukrainian, I can tell a fascist when I see a fascist pretty fast.
Unfortunately, it’s not only in the US, Ruskis went WAY AHEAD
Yeah your own police units are one along with the uk government to britbons and refugees from Ukraine
@@mellamojeff458 im sure there is issues with those but russia is like fascism incorporated rn
@@bonkatronka I'm not talking about Russia
I'm talking about the Ukrainian government and "allies" who treat the refugees worse than native population or refugees from the middle east
Hell I don't even think there was police units middle eastern countries where they killed civilians purposely on bogus charges/wives trying to stop their husbands from being killed during the massive wars from 2010-2021
@@mellamojeff458 wtf, what is up with this mentally that ppl expect every person in a foreign country to be the most welcoming they can ??! believe it or not, not everybody likes eachother, nobody like to have they surroundings changing that much, not the refugees not the natives, not that the country shouldnt receive them but, to expect everyone to be extremyl welcoming is just wishfull thinking
@@Nword2000 I'm talking how these governments treated them like expendable people and treated them worse than migrants from africa or the middle east who in mass do not work and just received welfare paychecks and rose crime in mass
Especially when those refugees was mostly women and children from Ukraine
This video is as relevant today as it was 5yrs ago......maybe more!
nah the "alt-right" movement is so damn small and irrelevant. They're laughed out of mainstream right wing circles
@@mucc7911 ???? Then why do they always have trump on the front of the ballot
Ok sorry but after watching those like five seconds of the fascist switching out her hat for the MAGA hat....you need to direct a horror movie lmao
Like just the unsettling lighting to begin with, the sudden shift from being light hearted and hammy w/ this character to explicitly serious and freaky, the lack of explanation, the slowness, the smile, the closeness of the face, the holding of that last image without cutting out, The MUSIC!! That was just.... :o
I really agree. That imagery really reminds me of the film US, the shadow self.
I did start bracing for a jumpscare.
StopGetSomeHelp.Gif
No kidding. Feels like an arsty indie horror film. Not my cup of tea, but damn man. Impressive.
Reminded me of the clown from It.
The entire part about "leftists will recognize the dogwhistles, but normies won't listen" is unfortunately true as fuck. Liberals and non-political people will always respond with "is it really bad though, thats censoring them"
Leftist are the last ones who recognize the dog whistles and are in fact the ones saying we should find common ground with proud boys and accusing liberals like me of having Trump derangement syndrome because they are only tweets.
@@belkyhernandez8281 ? 🤷🏿♂️ What
@@BravoRox Leftist were to busy arguing with conservative and moderate Dems to see the rise of the right because they dismissed it as virtue signaling/identity politics/wokeism. And even now some of these folks are trying to work with fascist/supremacists because...I dunno a fascist might want $15 min or something.
@@BravoRox
Yeah, it's a multi-dimensional problem that works against and for different people in different ways.
So someone who is a conservative man can do something really good and really bad just like a liberal person can do the same.
In this case, it specifically referred to how these events happened to this person.
@@DkKombo I'm lost, who's trying to find common ground with republicans? I never met one that wanted too? Aren't those people called moderates.
So are they like wolves in sheep clothing
Brilliant. I’m a 72 year old cis male WASP, but I never bought into the system that offered me so much privilege. I just got turned on to you by this week’s On The Media. Keep it up. But I just gotta say that I’m pretty discouraged these days.
Man is enough. You sound so dumb saying “cis”.
It's sad that you fell for this stuff at your age.
@@AltereggoLol1 You’re entitled to your mistaken opinions.
You’re a traitor. Move to Africa.
I get that you probably don’t want to do a follow up but I’m here again at the end of 2022 getting some refreshers.
I love your channel girl. You’re so rational and make me feel like not everyone in the world is crazy
Katzun her definition of fascist makes it so no other race other than white can be a fascist there for her definition is flawed
Anyone can be a fascist not just whitey
>girl
oh no no no
God satan well she starts off saying "contemporary fascists believe this..." and then defines the concept within a certain sect of fascism today. She’s talking about white supremacy fascism. Of course any race can be fascist, but this video is aimed at a certain sect of fascism
It's actually not that hard to tell that the thing in the video is more of a male, than a female.
Isn't that a man?? Looks like a man to me.
Bi-Racial man here, started to fall for the alt right and their anti sjw rhetoric. I then started to notice them slowly transition into white identity politics and bigoted speech against minorities. That scared me away, but I still thought that they were correct. I then found your channel and shauns. You have rescued me from those dark depths and given me hope. Thank you very much. Please keep up the good work. Expose these charlatans.
Godspeed to you, Darius. If only so many others had the necessary faculties to deprogram as quickly & easily.
darius, I ran into something that startled me. I was looking at a red ice alt right post. know thy enemy. saw some vid out of austria , w(it was anti Muslim vid)went to comments and these folks are talking about west Europe,slavic Europe, and the new theocracy they wanted to create. no place for liberals like me, even if I'm a White male. these guys will always have someone to hate that looks a lot like us. and, there seems to be an alright/neck beard/incel link that's pretty corrosive. this stuff is sneaky, a d can be used by communists too.
gratuitous paranoia is in order. and miniature golf.
and yeah the online hate for sjws a nd sneaking g racism is there! everyone seems funny, edgy. never thought of nazi light as humorous. but often, they are. they shouldn't be, but they are.
but if you look at it thru childlike eyes, puzzling,heartbreaking,mean. why do we have to spend our years dealing with hate for each other!?! we should be so much better than this.(sigh*). whatever their appearance, I'll have to avoid their rabbit hole.
Darius Emmanuel Who is Shaun?
Calpsotoma A CZcamsr. He has a skull avatar.
I was going down the alt right path until this video woke me up. Thank you Natalie
As an Indian, it's ironic that these North American right wingers think Indians are all brown and exactly the same, like a brown blob "over there". Heck we literally have over 1000 dialects out of 122 major languages, every state has a different culture and cuisine.
I showed my conservative white in-laws in Canada some photos of my mother on holiday in Himachal Pradesh and the reaction was, "WHAT THEY HAVE SNOW THERE NOW?"
Another reaction from one of my wife's cousins was, "WHAT THEY HAVE HOUSES IN INDIA? WHERE ARE THE PYRAMIDS?"
.... I wish I was joking or exaggerating.
All Nazis are fascists, but not all fascists are Nazis. This is an important distinction because American fascism doesn't look like Nazism, and that fact alone is what keeps so many Americans in denial.
There is definitely a mass current of white supremacy prevalent in American fascism, but our fascism will more likely take final shape as multiracial monoculturalism. Just keep this in mind.
J Nada nazism isnt even a thing its an insulting term for nationalsocialists and facism and nationalsocialism are 2 different things.
@@jnada161 what's wrong with multiracial monoculturalism? That's basically just civic nationalism, one of the major philosophies that American culture is based on.
J Nada, Fascists will never EVER be able to take power in this country because they can't even draw in centrists right now lying about the fact that they're Nazis, how successful do you think they're going to be once they start exterminating everyone that doesn't agree with them? Furthermore, don't peddle that bullshit like there's a difference between these Nazis and those Nazis or whatever the fuck you're trying to do. What do you think is going to happen all the hundreds of millions of people in this country that don't fucking want to be Nazis? You can't deport them. You can't get them to stop protesting. And you can't get them to agree with you either. So you know what that means don't you....extermination camps. You're either incredibly naive and have taking up their bullshit talking points, or you're a Nazi yourself. Get your ass on the right side of history dude.
Do you even know what a fascist is ?
The greatest irony is how they lash out at the left for being overly sensitive, and then proceed to play with an entire deck of victim cards.
They're hypocrites.
A friend shared your channel with me and I’m now watching all your videos from the beginning. I love them! They are helpful and entertaining. As a former left wing activist now a mom living in rural Canada, your content is both very nourishing for my true self but also useful for getting me in the an empathic mindset for useful, efficient and kind discussions with my kids and members of my communities. I truly appreciate your work. Take care!
Not all the Nazis and fascists finding this video and getting their feelings hurt 😭 what has this comment section become
Yes typical for them
good thing that men who think they are women don't get easily offended
"Identitarians... including the ones who lead the rally where an edgy shitposter hilariously memed his car into a crowd of people."
The worst I've ever felt for laughing at something.
ONLY RIGHT VERSION you are racist
It's actually sad since it might not have happened without an antifa pointing a rifle at the dude in the car which may have caused the crash.
Proof: czcams.com/video/Hz9mKPiDrv4/video.html
ONLY RIGHT VERSION you just doubled down on your racism. Just because you are that skin color doesn't make it less racist. "Everybody knows"??? *Go look up the definition.
Francis Yockey I saw the rifle too. I'm bold enough to say it would not have happened. Not to mention Richard Spencer was an Obama supporter. Indicating Soros was paying for all sides. Then the riot police pushed the White nationals and kkk right into Antifa and BLM. The Democrat Mayor also had his campaign paid by Soros. What is the advantage to paying opposing radicalism to fight other than to create a uprise and civil discourse.
sortedamm it was a crash. Did you even see the video?? The looser crashed through a groop of other loosers into another car. *Go watch the video before you say something else stupid.
Before I came out as trans and started living as a woman, I kept my head shaved and grew a beard. And I'm like very white. So this guy comes in, sees my white bald bearded seemingly male self, opens his wallet, and shows me the "88" in his wallet.
None of my coworkers believed me when I told them he was a neo nazi because it "Could have meant anything." Yes, it COULD HAVE. But it didn't.
So, yeah, you GOTTA look out for the symbols and you have to educate people on them.
Nellie Workman people not believing 88 was SUPER FUCKING OBVIOUSLY A NAZI SYMBOL is just absurd
But i guess most people dont know Australia from Africa so thats just reality now i guess
But seriously it couldnt have been “anything” the 88 symbol isnt even ambiguos or a dog whistle, its about as blatant as a swastika just not as well known, hell even a story about superheros had “empire 88” be the evil nazi villian group, neo nazis in movies have 88 tatoos or belt buckles
If its penetrated to mass media it should be considered a blatant sign and not “could be anything”
I'm white and when interviewing for a job, the manager interviewing me casually commented she hated the "filthy" (insert slur for Pakistani people) who worked there, and went on a mini-rant calling them lazy and stupid. Apparently all she needed to throw out casual racism was a white audience.
@@AnastasiaTalen
lol I had a similar experience. I was at the ER and someone in the waiting room went on a mini-rant about how Muslims and Arabs/middle eastern people and how they're stealing tax dollars and not contributing to society and how they marrying Canadian women to try and make sharia law. I was just sitting there like, "oh, ya?" and at the end of her rant she said something to the effect of don't you agree and I politely told her that I was half Turkish and my father was one of those men who married a white women (my mother). It got super awkward super quick lol. Like geez people, middle easterners can look super fucking white, don't just assume someone is white because they are white passing.
@@wschippr1
To test whether these people are racist (they obviously are) and to provide a huge flaw in their arguement. Ask them if the inverse (that is a white man marrying ME women) is okay? Of course the answer I got was "love takes many forms" from this one particular racist woman. I then told her that her rhetoric sounds eerily familiar to how back in the day it was okay for white men to be with black women, but how dare black men be with white women.
Ali
My guess is that it's what @haselni said. Men can have thousands of children but women can only have a dozen to two at most in their life time. So they think that a women's reproductive system is more valuable than a mans, because of this. I am also guessing there's sexism at play, that women (and their uterus) belongs to the community and not themselves. Whereas men are seen as individuals.
I also suspect that while they may be more comfortable with the couple, they would not be accepting of children that the couple may have regardless. I do not know though, as my mother was white and married someone who wasn't.
I am deeply sorry to say that Fascism is alive and well in Italy. Not just the Alt-Right, but proper Mussolinian Fascisms. I keep hearing shit like "when Mussolini was in power, he also did a lot of good things, like clearing up the swamps in Northern Italy (NOT TRUE), the trains were arriving on time (NOT TRUE), there were jobs for everyone (INCREDIBLY NOT TRUE)....". Nobody challenges them when they hear this stuff. Plenty of people have Mussolini calendars with the "fascist holidays" instead of the normal ones, they still visit his grave/mausoleum in Emilia Romagna as a tribute, still do the Fascist salute. Even though it's specifically forbidden by our Constitution, it's really hard to "catch a fascist", since you can't "police what people do in the privacy of their own homes". The fact that Alessandra Mussolini (Benito Mussolini's granddaughter) is allowed at all to have a political party in parliament is a fucking joke. (The only silver lining is that she's an idiot and people mostly look at her as a sad joke - still she shouldn't be allowed to sit in parliament, especially since she gets really upset when people talks shit about her beloved granpa - even though she never met him). I am happy to live in London and I'm not planning to go back home anytime soon
There are also Stalinist and commies everywhere, and Italy is now a liberal Zionist NATO American occupied country, but by all means continue doing exactly what they want and worry about calendars instead. Get fucked shitlib, people like you are the reason Italy is full of fascists, also all the claims you stated were true, even though they were not necessarily thanks to him.
Good
@@seamusofloyd6038no
I'm binge watching your content Natalie, and I'm looking foward for more videos soon! I love the way you address topics, your sense of humor and intellect
Hope you're doing well, lots of love from Brazil!
"This doesn't cause centrists to become allies with fascists, that happens regardless"
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
It feels strange for her to jab at the centrists here and there in the video. Surely it's a group that you want supporting your side. The video itself feels very ''PSA for Centrists'' and centrists are hopefuly a decent chunk of the viewerbase. Saying things like that feels very echo chambery and could possible push centrists even further away towards the right.
Aran But it is totally true. In a situation of nazis vs antifa the centrism favours the nazi said. The thing about centrism isn't that they are the center of all politics its that they are the center of the two most popular political "teams" and if the right team is more right than the left team is left than the middle will be on the right making the centrists right wing. This is way radicalization is effective. Know one gets radicalized into a normal white conservative only into a facist or communist.
> But it is totally true. In a situation of nazis vs antifa the centrism favours the nazi said
Seems like a bold statement to make. Maybe the youtube 'centrists' creators/viewers, but saying the average centrist voter leans towards facism seems very extreme.
I get that the entire political spectrum, especially in the US, seems to be shifting to the right and that it's worrying. But generalizing a (big) party that you'd want on your side nevertheless seems counterproductive. A lot of the video does a good job in exposing that the alt-right/facist movement is more pronounced and hateful than centrists might believe, it doesn't need the weird jabs. No one likes being generalized.
She can do whatever she wants in her videos of course. I'm not really a regular watcher, just some outside perspective.
I can't argue with your observations.
I agree it's absurd to say BML/Antifa are just as bad as the Alt-Right. The president even trying to go there is inexcusable. I was trying to say that the way she stated that ''centrists become allies with facists regardless'' so matter of factly seems to undermine her own goal of getting centrists on her side and feels more like it's targetted for an echo chamber, which I think is a shame. Especially cuz the message in the video is good on its own.
Honestly, because of all the right-wingers calling anyone to the left of them socialists, I slid from moderate centrist/moderately (wherever I happened to be on the spectrum, I'm bad at the labels) liberal to basically communist, so maybe we're overrating the degree to which accusing people of something encourages them to be it lol
EDIT: Not "because of", but the amount of things called "socialist" that I was completely ok with made me waaaay more comfortable with the socialist label
Yeah “all Europeans”
As long as it’s not a poor country that’s Slavic because they are seen lesser than European.
I love how fascists pick and choose who is a valid European
What are you talking about? Us Eastern Europeans are the proudest of our nations. The most nationalist, if you will!
And that's pretty neat. Long live the independent statesof Eastern Europe!
Hello from Ireland. Go back 100 years and the racists didn't even consider us white.
@@dudebro765 Being nationalist isn't really something I'd brag about.
Sadly, there are also fascists in those poor Slavic countries. It does take a particular kind of idiot, though.
@pai pai Yes. Nationalism of any people who already have their own nation is always toxic.
Am I the only one that felt goosebumps when the Nazi said, “stupid leftists, it’s just a joke! *okay sign and wink*”
6 years later, this is still incredibly important education!!
"Before I realized I was transgender, I used to jump on any opportunity to crossdress, ironically." As somebody working through realizations of mild dysphoria, that shit felt way too real. Did I just get gutpunched?
Wait, am I trans?
@@sunnybubbleday While it might just be that you like crossdressing, it might be a prompt for you to explore your feelings a little and see what comes of it.
Krascara Hmmm I'll look in to it
@@sunnybubbleday I think the most important thing to keep in mind is to pay attention to what you in particular feel about it and not let the experiences and perspectives of others indicate to you what you -should- feel. Sense tells me that nobody's experience is exactly the same and not everyone who feels similar to the way Contra did is necessarily trans.
Daniel Sadjadi Good advice!!
this aged like fine wine
Like the finest of aged fine wine 🍷
Carlgon is listed as gullible centrist, imagine
no, my name is tyler Can I get a round of applause for the “tolerant” left?? 👏 👏 👏
@@ClubPenguinFan106 Please fuck off. This whole video was about how to see right through people like you. We don't buy it.
placeholder name That’s the issue with this video, it conflates actual fucking nazis with the entirety of the right, and the fact that you believed it makes me sick too my stomach.
Yes, I want to be part of something bigger. I want to be part of a community that fights against hatred and bigotry!
“now, as i’ve argued in past videos…”
*just finding natalie’s content in 2022*
“noooooo, what videos? i want to see these videos”
She has transcripts on her website for deleted videos
Why do all these people consider the west is solitary thing, one "white culture"
Roman's and Vikings have different cultures same as Zulus and Ethiopeans have different cultures despite being both black
Skin colours arent cultures
Cultures are cultures
Because you can hide from saying white supremacy by saying western culture
Another thing is one can't really say "Christian values" anymore and hope to attract centrists and liberals. And it gets more and more awkward for alt-rights when Christians actively disavow them.
@@ArchKnight28 exactly. people like to make it seem that Africans did nothing throughout history just to make themselves feel better.
@@dd4544
no one said they hadn't ever done anything:
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attaque_du_4_avril_2020_%C3%A0_Romans-sur-Is%C3%A8re
Remember when Vikings and Christians fucking hated each other? How they enslaved each other, saw the other as inferior etc etc etc...
the idea of "europe" is a very very recent thing
Europe has been a very very VEEERY diverse place with unique history
"hilariously memed his car into a crowd of people" Holy shit lmao.
i felt bad for laughing at that one
lmao = Laughing at Mao
Kain of Balance oh my god
Common Sense I don't even have to tell you what is wrong with what you just said. You know your logic, and comparison to playing in traffic, is flawed at best.
Are you 'triggered' by the tires of my car crushing your ribs, snowflake? Typical libtard.
I've seen videos from this channel recommended to me for ages....and it blows my mind that I only JUST watched my first ContraPoints video yesterday. And I'm hooked. What _excellent_ smart witty empathetic content.
This is what makes CZcams great.
And you know the content is objectively great when a trans woman can make an anti-fascist video with a up/down vote ratio THAT impressive. I'm kinda shocked it's not 50/50....which is what you almost always see on a video tackling this subject.
I hope that means people can't help but find your arguments valid and hard to dismiss.
This is still so damn relevant.
"Following politics with centrists can be like watching a raunchy comedy movie with children who don't get sexual innuendo; there's a whole hidden layer of meaning that they're not picking up."
This is (1) a nice burn, and (2) an embarrassingly accurate description of past-me.
Pretty accurate description of current me, actually. I dry my hair with jokes that go over my head
so you're saying we should all be far-left?
@@ghl3186 who said that?
*Whoosh
well yeah, children grow up and learn sexual innuendo so of course centrists will learn too, hopefully.
Sargon being listed as a centrist youtuber is so nostalgic
IKR, I wasn't surprised when I went back to his channel for a while after I stopped listening to him and the comment section was a regular alt-right-apalooza.
I think there was a genuine shift. I was never a big fan, but I had my "roast SJW's" phase and a saw a couple of his videos. I saw a vid of his recently and he's just banging on the same political talking points in order to appeal to his viewer base. I think he was acting in better faith earlier in his CZcams career.
@Dauda András Well, I realized that the thing I didn't like about SJW's was also true about anti-SJW's, which is they will twist news stories to conform to their pre-existing biases... which is true of any pundit. For SJW's all the world's problems are caused by The Patriachy. For anti-SJW's, everything is being destroyed by Cancel Culture. It's all just an exercise in confirming you biases.
@@noman8412 Sargon's antiSJW content was not made in good faith; you, like many of us, were simply unaware of the manipulation inherent in said content. Shaun (the skull with the sunglasses) has a couple of good videos about manufactured controversy.
@@Robstafarian I agree, but I think his manipulation has become more transparent over time. I saw a recent video that someone referenced and there was nothing about it that wasn't just pushing a narrative. I think he always had an agenda, but I believe he had some kind of conviction behind it at some point. Now, I think he's just cynically pandering.
I still feel really guilty about some of the shit I’ve fallen for in the past. I appreciate the grace and intelligence with which you covered this topic.
It's chilling how relevant this is 6 years later thank you so much for this
Sometimes it takes a video like this to realize how susceptible one is to propaganda and snowballing persuasion. I think this channel is part of my disillusionment out of the "Anti-SJW" videos that got me hooked several years back, later leading to a rabbit hole of conclusions that I didn't consciously come to.
are you dumb? this whole video is propaganda
I used to watch some of the “anti-SJW” videos too, and the problem with them is that they cherrypick the most extreme examples of “crazy SJWs” and say it represents the full movement of feminism. Even if though specific examples are toxic, they clearly don’t represent the whole community.
Contrapoints is the queen of disillusioning centrists
Eh, the SJWs are still a problem, Nazis being a problem doesn't in any way negate that.
Cathy Grandstaff you have it 100% backwards. Sjw are a non-problem. While murderous nationalists have killed over what... 300 people in the last decade or two?
I have a centrist friend who doesn't vote and is openly apolitical. I was talking to him about the neo-nazi rally in VA and he says that both sides were bad. Apparently he thought that the liberal counter-protesters (didn't know the name Antifa) drove a car into the Nazi protesters, when it was in fact the other way around. I believe that his disillusionment with politics led him to this kind of ignorance and that it's actually dangerous to us all.
And what does he suggest people do? Just let Nazis take over their community?
How is he a centrist if he's, as you say, apolitical?
@@InfiniteDeckhand Oh you mean they're different?
If he's apolitical, he is not a centrist. He's just apolitical.
Centrism is the idea of not aligning oneself with a 'wing' and holding varying views on various topics. For example, you could be liberal regarding abortion (pro-choice) but conservative regarding the welfare state and government regulation and favour a 'small government' approach. That would be centrism.
If someone says that they think all politicians are corrupt, or that voting is a waste of time, and that they aren't interested in being involved in that kind of stuff, this does not make them a centrist. They cannot be placed on any political scale.
Please don't make this kind of comparison, I see it every day, and it kind of pisses me off that I'm being associated with ignorant apoliticals, or people who have no real opinion.
@Absolute Mad Lad Not if those same Nazis killed one of the counter protestors with a car they won't look sympathetic.
Watching this video in 2022 March, from Crimea, a republic between а fascist authoritarian county called Russia and Ukraine. Before the war I was absolutely apolitical. Now I'm trying to catch up. Thanks for your videos, I love you Natalie
we are with you. slava ukraini. fuck putin and remove all fascists. much love from america.
Why is this still so relevant 🫠
Bc you believe into anything this freak says? Lol
"I'm a Saxon"
*Picture of a Norman knight from the Bayeux tapestry*
exactly , man very clearly just cares about being racist towards non northern European whites
*Angry Æthelstan noises*
He probably knew what it was and still liked it because it is another Germanic group
@@MrBooYa-yd5er Normans were the francofied descendants of Scandinavians; they were not a Germanic group.
@@grouchomarxist5612 Scandinavians are Germanic people. You’re an idiot.
“hilariously memed his car into a crowd of people”
*wheezing*
@Beverly Mandahl great save there buddy
.....which can never be proven who was in the car. Keep watching the fake news though. They have a white supremacist patsy all in the name of division and diversion.
@@bobbychuckles8764 I'm sure you think all the white supremacists that shoot 10+ people are all false flags, too.
Anything to protect your dear leader, the Moron in Chief.
@lgbtq plus romania no masculinity is important and not threatening. Masculinity is something that is lost the moment you try to mimick it. Masculinity is not violent but assertive only when it is just. Masculinity is not evil, but a natural state. Masculinity is not the oppression of others in the attempt to become "alpha", it is the honorable uplifting of those below you. True masculinity doesnt need to be the best, it is just comfortable being itself, and understands there will always be someone "better". Because true masculinity is not threatened by challenges or challengers. In fact true masculinity enjoys a fair and just challenge. True masculinity is humble humility. Because that is true strength, which unfortunately so many people fear the idea of admitting your own flaws and admitting that you are not always the best. Therefor they act out of fear and agressively push down on those around them.
TOXIC masculinity is a terrible terrible thing. It is not a symptom of masculinity but a way to identify those that misunderstand and try to quantify masculinity in a manner that just isn't right.
Toxic masculinity is the pursuit of power. TRUE masculinity is the acceptance and encouragement to love yourself and those around you as they truly are. And to protect what is pure and just.
If you want an example look at FDR.
A general that didnt send troops into battle but joined them. A man that when shot in the chest chose to stand up and look the oppression in the eye for what it is, and chose to give his speech even though there was a bullet in his chest. He was a feminist, a conservationist, and invited the first black man to the white house to visit. He set up a boxing ring in the white house amd nearly lost his sight during a boxing match. He did not fear difference but encouraged it. He did not fear challenges but saw them as healthy competition to better himself and others. He was not afraid of women being equal or of other races moving up the social ladder. He was comfortable with himself because he knew he was respectful and just in his actions and was an honorable man in that sense.
@lgbtq plus romania what i'm saying is that fascism. Clearly. Is not masculinity but fear and insecurity desguising itself as "masculinity" in order to justify their violent action. And it is wrong
This is so disturbing. As a past centrist, I am now realizing how many memes and "the left thinks everything is racist" articles were a part of something much bigger. I really was like a child, not picking up on the raunchy humor of a movie, except in this case I was actively spreading misinformation and inadvertently gaslighting people all along. Wow. Just wow. I wish so bad I had found this channel years ago when I was still a centrist. It would've saved me years.
This video changed my views, thank you for this. I can't believe I sounded like 13:13. I even have swastika sculpture made of lead, because 'it's funny'.
Something deep inside me was always questioning my rationale but I was ignoring it. More people need to spread this video.
Holy shit, there's so much information being thrown at my face I feel like I should be taking notes
so I'm here now if you think this is a lot of information try watching three arrows
So match misinformation, this isnt even the definition of fascism there are black and jewish fascists too, this video isnt about making a conclution but about demonizing your opponent.
@@unarmilion457 czcams.com/video/G1OZYoxaJ2Y/video.html
You must be proud of your name and prof pic.
So much misinformation*. This is not fascism, its nazism. I am sire americans cant tell one difference between the two when there is plently
@@user-xf6ty4iv9w "Wow, you must be proud of identifying with a dictator that massacred people. Shameful. Now if you excuse me, I must identify with a dictator that massacred people."
As much as I like armored skeptic, it's always fun to see him get called out for these things.
Also, as a former self identifying centrist who was being played into this kind of thing, I am really glad for content like this that points out how the alt-right subtly manipulates people
*slendy1001*
Always puts a huge smile on my face to see someone willing to put away their ego and have an opened mind about serious topics. Hope you have a good one, man.
Dunno if you’ve explored other CZcamsrs in-line with ContraPoints, but I’d recommend Shaun and Three Arrows. He’s *not* a leftist by any means, but Destiny is a fantastic debater-especially against the alt-right. His debates are often fairly long, but great to listen to while you’re chilling doing something else.
Don’t doubt that the same happens on the left.
Just in this video she says “I’m not a fascist@ is what a fascist would say, lol but it’s also what someone who isn’t a fascist would say. Sometimes everyone’s wrong.
@@ard1805 I forget if it was this video or not, and I don't wanna rewatch the video to see but yes, contrapoints is aware that saying "I'm not a fascist" does not make you a fascist but it doesn't mean you aren't one.
Moreover, yes, members of the left will make mistakes, as does everybody, but A. If we're talking about armored skeptic specifically, he frequently, when talking about things he's not interested in such as politics, he often fails to do proper research, (ex: his jontron vs destiny video) and despite that, he seems to have a pretty big ego; (ex: the "skeptic clone" mess) and B. For centrism, I don't have something against it, my political opinions just shifted left over time.
slendy1001
I’ll reply to the rest in a minute, but the comments were arranged so this one was ahead of the one she made that explains that she didn’t mean it that way lol. Kind of a trap if you ask me...
I'm so appreciative of this video, you really spell this in terms everyone can understand. We need this information now more then ever.
Honestly, this being Natalie's earlierst video currently up, and this also still being relevant in the year of our lord 2023, is kind of sad and scary. It's hard to not give into despair
The fact that far-right ideologues can't agree if we Greeks are white or not (considering the fact that western civilization is a product of Ancient Greece) is evidence that their ideology is so fluid that basically anybody can be discarded from "the white race". For example Jews , Syrians and Turks are as white as Italians and French. Where do you draw the line of being "white"?
Plus the anthropological-biological fact that we are all descendants of Africans and we have more differences among others from the same " race" that from people from other "races" makes the whole debate a complete joke .
I think you'd find that most of the ideologues you imagine will concede that Greece is a European nation, and indeed - as you say - is the birthplace of what we define as European culture. Therefore, they would have no problem acknowledging the heritage of Greeks as white and European. You're confusing a bit of banter and a small minority of "purity spiralers" with serious discourse. Drawing the line of being white I suppose would be truly defined in the genetic sense, although culture does also come into it. Overall, I think you would find more people willing to include people who identify as white with themselves, rather than exclude them for whatever petty reason they can pull out of their arse.
We may all be descendants of Africans, that may be true, but Africans (except a very small minority) do not have Neanderthal or Denisovan admixture. Africa has the highest degree of genetic diversity among humans of all the continents (as far as I am aware), and I think you would find that Africans willingly divide themselves into separate peoples. A Somalian would not be very pleased if you called him a Khoisan, and a Zulu would not like you calling him a Moroccan. They see themselves as distinctly different (and oftentimes superior) than other denizens of their continent. They are not one homogeneous mass of people. You also fail to consider the aspect of divergent and separate evolution. When your last African ancestor was 50,000 years ago (potentially 1,200 generations for the sake of argument - maybe more, maybe less), do you really expect to be the same as a given modern day African? If you do, you would have to completely disregard the commonly accepted theory of evolution, which is backed up by such factual sciences as the discipline of genetics.
You are also making a very common mistake that has become a very common fallacy in discussions like this. What you are referring to is the phenomenon that occurs when comparing one group to another: The variation between those groups (AS A WHOLE) is less than when comparing CERTAIN individuals within those respective groups. ie When analysing the genetics of Russians, you may encounter a 1.5% difference between 2 given individual Russians; however, comparing the groups of Russians against the group of, say, Indians, your comparison based on the averages represented in those groups might only draw the conclusion of a 1% genetic difference. Of course, the AVERAGE difference of that group of Russians would be far lower than any outliers, and is almost certainly to be lower than the difference between Russians and another, foreign group.
Also, the difference within a given group can occur in a spectrum to which other groups do not extend. So higher variation within one group does not imply similarities to other groups.
This is a fallacy because you are pretending that the fact of the difference between the groups does not exist. It does. You have over-simplified and misconstrued this phenomenon to your ends to suit your beliefs, whereas the fact of the matter (that there are differences between racial groups) is in fact implied, and is contrary to your argument and beliefs.
@@innocuouspseudonym509
Almost all "white" people have at least one African ancestor in their recent genetic history. All people everywhere, as a matter of fact.
Ireland is being overrun with Nigerians now
Jews are not white, ask them yourself
agreed. as an american ill never be considered white, but thats just me. i could be *used*, but then discarded. its identitarianism right? or am i missing the point
I hate when people talk about “the white race”. The historical racial tensions between France and Germany are some of the most impactful in history, though they operate very differently than other racial tensions. Napoleon, Bismarck, Hitler and Clemenceau were pretty sure that the French and the Germans were not, and should never be “part of a shared cultural identity.” Smashing Vikings, Romans, Germanic tribes, Greeks, and others into one category just doesn’t make any sense.
Hell, look at the Brits. Even classifying the Scots, Welsh, and English under one identity would sound ludicrous until the past few centuries, to say nothing of the early "Dark Ages" or the Irish _up to the modern day._
Fascists don't care about history. They care about spreading mythology.
You're right. That's too bad for our European Union though, which I am really into it. Guess we'll never manage to create a unique identity.
Tensions between Germany and France were never racial tho. I agree with your overall point tho: concepts such as "whiteness" and "race" are complete bogus.
Hagen
But tensions between Germany and France were very often about national identity, about “Germaness” or “frenchness”, about the “fatherland”. As we see with hitler, nationalism, at least in Europe, is mostly just a special kind of racism, or the other way around, depending on how you look at it.
Daniel Fisher i hate to sound euphemistic but nationalism and racism are two separate things. Yes, most German nationalists back then were also racist, but to the Jews, not the French.
Watching this in 2022:
a) the video is great and is still applicable
b) Contra has come so far in her transition since filming this!
I just discovered your channel. I love how researched your videos are and how you deliver it, seriously, but with a non stop disgust face. I just subscribed and I'm gonna binge all your videos now. Great discovery! Thanks for your work!
It's weird watching this video and then seeing the outlined strategies used IN THE FUCKING COMMENTS.
If you think about it a bit, the weirdness vanishes. Obviously nazis and white supremacists are monitoring leftist channels to sow distrust and confusion in the comments. What is better than working hard to trick people who have formed an opinion into abandoning it? Stop them from buying into it in the first place.
Leftist activists should do the same and agressively post on rightwing extremist videos .... but those would then retaliate with doxxing, murder and rape threats and general cyberbullying campaigns, attacking single commenters with a horde of angry racists and "funny memes".
No wonder they usually remain unchallanged in their echo chamber and have the free time to poison any critical discussions.
The left is equally an echo-chamber where doxing is frequent. I am trolling radical lefties and righties, so I have some experience.
+Game james Contra didn't say centrists are all or automatically nazis. It's not difficult to recognize that there were lots of reasons why people could have voted for Trump. They were fooled into believing they were doing the right thing, though. Trump lied about a lot of things, and they wanted to believe him. They listened to him say things with such conviction and certainty that they were convinced it was based in some truth. He was going to make more jobs. He was going to make healthcare better for everyone. But some of his supporters voted for him because he wanted to do something to "fix" immigration, and that's where facism creepily seeps in and makes an influence. The idea that the problem with immigration is that the immigrants are more violent than citizens or that they're stealing resources is a constructed fallacy. If a centrist believes it, they've fallen for a trap, and need to take steps to pull themself out of the fog.
+Game james Contra didn't say centrists are all or automatically nazis. It's not difficult to recognize that there were lots of reasons why people could have voted for Trump. They were fooled into believing they were doing the right thing, though. Trump lied about a lot of things, and they wanted to believe him. They listened to him say things with such conviction and certainty that they were convinced it was based in some truth. He was going to make more jobs. He was going to make healthcare better for everyone. But some of his supporters voted for him because he wanted to do something to "fix" immigration, and that's where facism creepily seeps in and makes an influence. The idea that the problem with immigration is that the immigrants are more violent than citizens or that they're stealing resources is a constructed fallacy. If a centrist believes it, they've fallen for a trap, and need to take steps to pull themself out of the fog.
Well as you can see from the replies there is also the Game James strategy which is post a bunch of moronic garbage and insults if you're not smart enough for the fascist mind games.
Every single time I watch one of her videos, I am so grateful for ContraPoints' existence and her choice to educate us on these matters.
@Hernan Cortes ;)
how fking old are you? ewugh. I've studied world history and American history for over 12 years, and I can tell you that all you have done here is create a non existent boogyman. One who was created in your mentally ill head given the propaganda that the global elite want you to have. You are playing right into their hands and now your life is harder because of it. I'm not a fucking republican and I'm not a white supreme pizza either.. I'm pro LGBTQ and Pro abortion. but your are anti freedom. You are extremely misinformed by your own stupidity and laziness.
Coming back to this... Again and again
I remember being in the alt-right pipeline in 2016. Contra is right, you can get out, it's not too late.
The disco-flashy "How To Recognize a Fascist" banner was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Great stuff.
ONLY RIGHT VERSION such a black and white philosophy you have
ONLY RIGHT VERSION No I dont
Not gonna lie I got suckered in by these strategies back in the day. Shit is insidious and really effective on clueless and listless young men.
I'm proud of you for learning and changing, stranger.
Questionable Object “clueless and listless young men” are the malleable gold that everyone is after. From the Marines to the Animal Rights groups. I mean, die on your feet, don’t live on your knees, right?
@@khaledsaid2410
allah is ghey
New fan... you're killin' it girl!!
Love ur channel. From a white straight 58 yrs old male
We love your presence :)
Richard Spencer has absolutely no knowledge of European history
There are things growing on the north sides of trees that know more than Richard Spencer.
Just like, in general.
@@shjar1117 liberty has never been won except by deeds of war
Shamjar1 that’s true I hate castillians and catalans
I wouldn't be surprised if he KNOWS better, but the truth doesn't matter. Converting people to his cause matters, and building the image of a single vague "western" culture and heritage seems to be an effective way to drum up support.
And like the traior in chief, the facts are not important its the presentation of false History that pleases his audience that is important. Telling the IKEA employee he or she is really important and something grand boots their ego and lets them believe they are ment to kngs and queens. I like trans queens better myself
Loving the shoutout to Life After Hate
Update: Things have gotten worse
I saw this video a few years ago but lost it and forgot the title. I'm SOOOO glad I found it again, it's such a great resource for educating people who aren't very politically plugged in.