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  • čas přidán 21. 05. 2024
  • As Rishi Sunak announces that a General Election will be held on 4th July, Iain Dale and his Cross Question panel discuss whether any Party will propose that the UK rejoin the European Union.
    SNP's Richard Thomson sets out his Party's stall on if they'd rejoin the EU, saying: "I want to see Scotland in the EU... I am unambigiously clear on that'.
    Tory MP Steve Baker says that 'the EU doesn't want us back' after Brexit, but they 'do want to deepen their relationship with the UK'.
    Labour MP Anneliese Dodds tells the panel that 'the British people have voted to leave the EU', but at the same time 'we need to have a security agreement with them' moving forwards.
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Komentáře • 490

  • @Martin-bx1et
    @Martin-bx1et Před 24 dny +24

    Baker 'messed' the bed and is proud of it. He accepts that his vision of Brexit was never possible but insisted on the act of self harm regardless.

  • @JB_BigShow
    @JB_BigShow Před 24 dny +20

    The only time British politics was subject to constitutional chaos was after the Brexit referendum. 😂

  • @emmasayers7576
    @emmasayers7576 Před 23 dny +25

    WHY weren't the Greens invited on the show? They've been making so much progress, but this is constantly ignored in the media.

    • @scottlenharth4200
      @scottlenharth4200 Před 23 dny +1

      😂😂😂😂

    • @keithpanton7486
      @keithpanton7486 Před 17 dny

      Because they're a genuine threat to the rich and the establishment if they get more power.
      There's going to be a lot of people not able to vote Labour but don't want Tories back...

  • @actuallypaulstanley
    @actuallypaulstanley Před 23 dny +17

    A 52/48 vote is not clear vote for anything. A majority? Yes., but not a clear vote for leave.

    • @scottlenharth4200
      @scottlenharth4200 Před 23 dny +1

      Would you still be bitter had we voted to remain in the EU by a similar margin, would you still be of the same opinion on another referendum?

    • @actuallypaulstanley
      @actuallypaulstanley Před 19 dny +1

      @@scottlenharth4200 how is basic maths economics?!
      If the remain vote had won by 52/48, I would expect this to have been taken as advisory as it was intended.

    • @scottlenharth4200
      @scottlenharth4200 Před 18 dny +2

      @@actuallypaulstanley
      It was never an advisory referendum.
      The government spent millions sending out leaflets to every household clearly stating that whatever the result, Remain or Leave that that result would be implemented.

    • @keithpanton7486
      @keithpanton7486 Před 17 dny +2

      @@scottlenharth4200 Which was very dodgy as there was no definition of what Brexit would actually mean, as shown by right wingers still disagreeing on what should have happened and if we've had a 'proper' brexit.

    • @scottlenharth4200
      @scottlenharth4200 Před 16 dny

      @@keithpanton7486
      It clearly stated on the leaflet that "Leave" would mean leaving all of the EU institutions. Including the single market and customs union.
      Whilst I agree I didn't go onto the finite details. It clearly stated the aforementioned. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @joaolopes2584
    @joaolopes2584 Před 24 dny +57

    My suport for any party to rejain the European union

    • @emmasayers7576
      @emmasayers7576 Před 23 dny +3

      May I turn your attention to the Greens?

    • @jonsimmons4150
      @jonsimmons4150 Před 19 dny

      might aswell vote for outer mongolian party- your grandchildren wont see it

  • @josephturner7569
    @josephturner7569 Před 24 dny +21

    €+Schengen. Or forget it.

    • @louis-philippearnhem6959
      @louis-philippearnhem6959 Před 20 dny +1

      No more 🍒👌

    • @TheGamesEmporium
      @TheGamesEmporium Před 15 dny

      Forget it. Open borders have been a disaster for national security and the idea of surrendering control of setting monetary policy to Frankfurt is idiotic.

  • @martinhommel9967
    @martinhommel9967 Před 24 dny +52

    We can’t “rejoin”. We could apply to join if all political parties agree and we meet the Copenhagen criteria which we don’t. We shouldn’t have left

    • @amirahabdi
      @amirahabdi Před 24 dny +1

      No one on earth can meet any criteria set by Denmark 😂

    • @Glasgow_kiss
      @Glasgow_kiss Před 24 dny +5

      @@amirahabdi no one exacts the danish imposition

    • @missizaskun
      @missizaskun Před 24 dny +8

      Of course we can rejoin and of course we shouldn’t have left

    • @fcassmann
      @fcassmann Před 24 dny +2

      ​@@missizaskunNo!
      Out means out.
      🇪🇺🇳🇱

    • @jonsimmons4150
      @jonsimmons4150 Před 19 dny

      but we did.. and voted correctly..
      every year outside the EU, the uk signs deals and treaties which further it from the EU.

  • @klausschumacher7126
    @klausschumacher7126 Před 24 dny +16

    The last guy who talked was right when he said that talking to people of various EU Embassies and the EU Embassador that they where laughing when he said that the UK wanted to rejoin.They clearly said that the EU doesn't want the UK back because it's too much headache...😂😂

    • @nedgeson326
      @nedgeson326 Před 23 dny

      Steve baker is a disgrace of a politician. A neoliberal liar that is as right wing as they come. Don’t believe anything he says.

    • @fergusdenoon1255
      @fergusdenoon1255 Před 16 dny

      or maybe he just misunderstood the statement, we don't want YOU back....

  • @TBFI_Botswana
    @TBFI_Botswana Před 24 dny +95

    It’s so arrogant thinking the EU wants the UK back 😂

    • @wavydavy9816
      @wavydavy9816 Před 24 dny +16

      Exactly
      If I was the EU I'd tell us to do one!

    • @pt4005
      @pt4005 Před 24 dny +5

      Exactly and the uk will never go back. Imagine losing the £

    • @julianshepherd2038
      @julianshepherd2038 Před 24 dny +2

      Single Market is on but it will cost us.

    • @rayc9539
      @rayc9539 Před 24 dny +4

      ​@pt4005 The UK would have to commit to joining the euro. Euro adoption isn't required on the first day of EU membership. The convergence criteria must be met... There is no timeline specified to reach the convergence criteria.
      Poland has been an EU member since 2004 and are under commitment to join the euro currency. They have yet to fulfil the convergence criteria.

    • @jaydowg1914
      @jaydowg1914 Před 24 dny +6

      ​@@rayc9539 There is an "obligation" but the EU can't exactly do anything to enforce said obligation, proven for example by Czechia

  • @tan97
    @tan97 Před 22 dny +6

    Steve Baker accepting that gradually the UK is going to subject to EU law with no say in its creation

  • @annettehadley9718
    @annettehadley9718 Před 23 dny +9

    yet another soon to be be ex Tory M.P.

  • @julianlawrence-ball2279
    @julianlawrence-ball2279 Před 24 dny +39

    It’s irrelevant what anyone proposes. The EU won’t entertain membership unless all major parties are agreed and the vast majority of its citizens are in favour. None of theses bars can be met

    • @phil2544
      @phil2544 Před 24 dny +1

      met at the moment.

    • @rayc9539
      @rayc9539 Před 24 dny +4

      But all major parties across all EU member states aren't necessarily fond of EU membership are they?
      The general British population are more in favour of the EU than pre 2016. The tories and reform view of the EU can't be transferred to the general population.

    • @RazorMouth
      @RazorMouth Před 24 dny +8

      ​@@rayc9539irrelevant, they are already members.
      Were not going to let a skeptic country back in and potentially have to go through Brexit again down the line.

    • @Dabmonger
      @Dabmonger Před 24 dny +2

      ​@@RazorMouthA referendum with a 60-70% vote in favour of rejoining may well work in the future. And the EU should make it that for any country to leave the EU it requires 55 or 60% of voters to vote for that.

    • @sweetwilliam4199
      @sweetwilliam4199 Před 24 dny +7

      The EU will want more than that. We would be required to adopt the Euro to prevent another Tory Brexit raising its head again.

  • @petefl1818
    @petefl1818 Před 24 dny +10

    The lunacy of Brexiter must be reversed as soon and as much possible for the future of the UK. But Brexiters have caused so much distrust in Europe toward the UK that it will take years to reverse even on a small scale. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I don't hold out much hope.

    • @RealMash
      @RealMash Před 23 dny +1

      You are right. And don't forget you must reduce the debt to GDP ratio from101% to 55% to be allowed to join.
      That alone will take 15 years if you are ambitious, and in a shrinking economy t will be even harder.

    • @jonsimmons4150
      @jonsimmons4150 Před 19 dny

      dont worry!- uk piffling economy is tiny compared to EU inbound albania and north macedonia..

    • @jonsimmons4150
      @jonsimmons4150 Před 18 dny

      youve had 8 years to upstix eu 27.. why u still in UK?

    • @petefl1818
      @petefl1818 Před 18 dny

      So, you're going to leave when there's a Labour government.

  • @saturdayplayer2492
    @saturdayplayer2492 Před 23 dny +6

    We will need to show a lot of contrition to persuade them to let us rejoin but it would be worth it.

  • @SRSR-pc8ti
    @SRSR-pc8ti Před 23 dny +15

    They dont need EU membership to start reversing poverty and renationalising water for a start.

  • @abbofun9022
    @abbofun9022 Před 23 dny +16

    The UK should start thinking on what they think they have to offer the EU, actually it is surprisingly little.

    • @louis-philippearnhem6959
      @louis-philippearnhem6959 Před 20 dny +1

      Some commitment, cooperation and solidarity for starters would greatly be appreciated!

  • @rosemarycuthbert4623
    @rosemarycuthbert4623 Před 23 dny +28

    EU would welcome an independent Scotland back in

    • @heyoa7714
      @heyoa7714 Před 22 dny

      Shame the EU was against their independence in 2014 and then the U.K left

    • @ralphmacchiato3761
      @ralphmacchiato3761 Před 22 dny

      ​@@heyoa7714yes a shame the Scots chose to remain the property of England.

    • @andrew300169
      @andrew300169 Před 22 dny

      @@heyoa7714 Because England lied

    • @trident6547
      @trident6547 Před 19 dny +2

      @@heyoa7714 No it wasn´t. EU said it welcomes Scotland´s application if it leaves UK in a legal way with support from its population. But UK, then a member "persuaded" Scotland to stay claiming they would be out of EU ( a possible veto from UK). 2 years later UK dragged Scotland out of EU.

    • @jonsimmons4150
      @jonsimmons4150 Před 19 dny

      goto you tube.
      type-
      *"andrew neil clashes with andrew wilson SNP"*
      -watch several times..
      the penny will (eventually drop..)
      -then repost back..
      over and out!

  • @blaircorral8158
    @blaircorral8158 Před 21 dnem +3

    Given that Scotland and Northern Ireland both voted remain, Scotland should have the same arrangement with the European Union as Northren Ireland.

  • @Francebras
    @Francebras Před 23 dny +6

    For more than half century, the UK has been tiptoeing over the concept of a the European common market. What makes you think a come back will be received with open arms and without serious doubts about the country's commitments?

    • @jonsimmons4150
      @jonsimmons4150 Před 18 dny

      bcos albania and north macedonia will take up the UK place- they are inbound, so its all joy!

  • @Human_Herbivore
    @Human_Herbivore Před 23 dny +6

    The real question, is, given the ridiculous amount of effort the EU has put into Brexit, would they want us back?

  • @OAlem
    @OAlem Před 24 dny +9

    Zero self-awareness. The prodigal son is oblivious that he's even prodigal and a long way from home.

  • @DukeAB-re5cy
    @DukeAB-re5cy Před 24 dny +6

    Lots of big words from the hard man of brexit. It seems you do need them more then they need you after all.

  • @NotShowingOff
    @NotShowingOff Před 24 dny +9

    UK to EU: you guys took that leave thing seriously?
    Now that you mention it we’ll take what Switzerland is having.

    • @tuga9999
      @tuga9999 Před 24 dny +10

      Switzerland type deal is out from the table, EU would not agree with it at all.

    • @alexanderstefanov6474
      @alexanderstefanov6474 Před 23 dny +5

      The EU hates the Swiss situation and would never offer anything similar, it's not an option anyway because the relationship between the two is the result of multiple treaties over the last 50 years

    • @JohnnyinMN
      @JohnnyinMN Před 23 dny +4

      You’re grasping at straws. You have to come to terms you’re out for decades.

    • @NotShowingOff
      @NotShowingOff Před 23 dny +2

      @@JohnnyinMN yea, thats the joke. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @louis-philippearnhem6959
      @louis-philippearnhem6959 Před 20 dny

      The EU is trying to get rid of all the small treaties with Switzerland.

  • @richardvitty1745
    @richardvitty1745 Před 23 dny +3

    Steve Baker... " I would've seized the moral highground"
    🤣

  • @MarathonMade
    @MarathonMade Před 22 dny +4

    Maybe let the younger generation decide as you older lot messed it all up since Tony blair

  • @shaunwarren8042
    @shaunwarren8042 Před 22 dny +2

    Get the Tories out first, then push for rejoin

  • @gadfageyar
    @gadfageyar Před 19 dny +1

    But Annaliese, being in a democracy means we can change our minds.

  • @BM-wf9uf
    @BM-wf9uf Před 24 dny +26

    Even if you guys wanted to go back to the EU they wouldnt take you anyway.
    And why would they?

    • @TheHajinator
      @TheHajinator Před 24 dny +2

      They would

    • @InnuendoXP
      @InnuendoXP Před 24 dny +2

      Russia, probably.

    • @user-ou3cq1gk9m
      @user-ou3cq1gk9m Před 24 dny

      They’ve already put out a rejoin policy about a couple of years ago now..!?! They are just waiting for competent leadership, they already know the nut jobs took over..

    • @mrm7058
      @mrm7058 Před 24 dny +5

      The bigger problem is, that that the UK needs bipartisan support for rejoining the EU, otherwise it makes no sense for the EU to even think about it.

    • @JohnnyCrash-ug8zt
      @JohnnyCrash-ug8zt Před 24 dny +2

      You don’t get to decide if the UK would be allowed to rejoin the EU, it should be noted that the EU has said on many occasions that the UK will always be welcomed to join again, the EU has a policy of new members and a policy for rejoining the union. Also the UK has a population of 70 million, that’s a market that the EU would want back.

  • @spacechannelfiver
    @spacechannelfiver Před 24 dny +6

    I always thought the Scots were doing some 4D chess stuff, but this caller proved otherwise.

    • @alanwatterson2850
      @alanwatterson2850 Před 23 dny

      Draughts with half the pieces missing?

    • @hashburystumble8808
      @hashburystumble8808 Před 14 dny

      My gambit paid off with check-mate in this dimension by showing the only major party in Westminster that will take Scotland back into the European Union is the SNP.
      Not only that it was the first phone-in question following the announcement of the General Election to expose the fact that none of the unionist parties will have rejoining in their manifestos.

    • @hashburystumble8808
      @hashburystumble8808 Před 14 dny

      @@alanwatterson2850 Just as the SNP Scottish Governments have balanced their budgets with less than half powers.

  • @ppodism
    @ppodism Před 19 dny +1

    I think 52% versus 48% isn’t exactly what I would call crystal clear

  • @dub604
    @dub604 Před 24 dny +18

    It's up to the EU and the EU aren't interested.... That's the problem.

    • @ne-ht4zx
      @ne-ht4zx Před 24 dny +4

      Really? They said that?

    • @WeirdWizardDave
      @WeirdWizardDave Před 24 dny

      @@ne-ht4zx Of course they didn't, its just another of the dishonest tactics the pro brexit camp rely on to try to avoid the inevitable.

    • @annettehadley9718
      @annettehadley9718 Před 23 dny

      Not sure if you are right.... I think the EU miss us as much as we miss them !

    • @dub604
      @dub604 Před 23 dny +3

      @@annettehadley9718 Nope... Most of the money fleeing London has gone into other European capitals. The EU are doing just fine without us.

    • @dub604
      @dub604 Před 23 dny +3

      @@ne-ht4zx It takes all 27 states to agree to it... The largest stock exchange in Europe is now based in Paris not London. Enjoy the managed decline.

  • @walrtbstudios5430
    @walrtbstudios5430 Před 24 dny +4

    Perhaps the 2030 manifestos should include a commitment to a binding in/out referendum…

  • @Human_Herbivore
    @Human_Herbivore Před 23 dny +9

    There is no real way to rejoin the single market without rejoining the EU.

    • @sweetwilliam4199
      @sweetwilliam4199 Před 23 dny +3

      That idea is just cakeism.

    • @br5380
      @br5380 Před 23 dny

      Norway says otherwise.

    • @Human_Herbivore
      @Human_Herbivore Před 23 dny

      @@br5380 because the UK is so much larger than Norway in terms of markets size, we wouldn't be able to do that.
      That aside, if we joined the single market, we'd have accept all their rules an would have no say in them.

    • @RealMash
      @RealMash Před 23 dny +3

      @@Human_Herbivore Besides the Norwegians said: No!
      You stiffed them when being an EFTA member when jumping ship for the EU.
      They know that you can not be trusted. Actions have consequences, you know...

    • @Human_Herbivore
      @Human_Herbivore Před 23 dny +1

      @@RealMash I voted remain.

  • @grahamwebber5795
    @grahamwebber5795 Před 23 dny +2

    Poor old ian 😂 and baker saying they wouldnt want us back 😂

  • @codeguy1
    @codeguy1 Před 21 dnem +2

    Why would the EU want them back? The UK was always the most messy member, never signed up for the Euro, Schengen, social charter, etc. ..... I say don't let them back in unless they're IN. 1. Join the Euro. 2. Join Schengen, 3. Adopt social charter. Otherwise, stay out.

    • @jonsimmons4150
      @jonsimmons4150 Před 18 dny

      that will never happen. croatia eu inbound 1st jan this year- food went up 20% almost next day.

  • @columbus7950
    @columbus7950 Před 19 dny +1

    Baker epitomises why the Tory party is doomed.

  • @jamesmackie6641
    @jamesmackie6641 Před 24 dny

    Can you explain why

  • @jackthebassman1
    @jackthebassman1 Před 19 dny +1

    I would seriously consider voting for any party that would start the process of applying to get back into Europe and righting the biggest error we ever made in leaving.

    • @jonsimmons4150
      @jonsimmons4150 Před 18 dny

      best if you upstix EU 27.. its not hard, i did in 87 , no job, no degree, no money, no speaky forrin.. lived 18 years there.

  • @timoakley277
    @timoakley277 Před 23 dny +4

    Well, the greens, lib dems, SNP all want to. As does Plaid C.
    So that's most parties

    • @trident6547
      @trident6547 Před 19 dny

      Too bad it´s the two who take turns controlling the parliament in Westminster that matters. Get rid of your archaic FPTP voting system is first on the list to do to give smaller parties a chance to influence politics in UK in the same way they do in EU countries.

    • @hashburystumble8808
      @hashburystumble8808 Před 14 dny

      The LibDems will not have that in their manifesto. The Green Party of England will at best only have four MPs. Plaid Cymru are likely to have around the same number & both latter parties did not have a representative on the panel. That is why I asked a question that I already knew the answer.

  • @ruthguthrie1099
    @ruthguthrie1099 Před 23 dny +5

    Alistair Campbell needs to realise if he wants anything for Scotland he needs to support a Scottish registered party.

  • @user-qx9mt3vv3i
    @user-qx9mt3vv3i Před 24 dny +26

    I would vote for them - we been going backwards since we left. No-one and I mean no-one has ever given me on single benefit of leaving the EU. Another referendum where the majority of voters will no longer be old gullible xenophobic pensioners is needed.

    • @pt4005
      @pt4005 Před 24 dny +1

      My business is doing quite well. I lost an eu competitor…

    • @seamuspadraigsanders431
      @seamuspadraigsanders431 Před 24 dny

      Calls people that built the country xenophobic and gullible. Doesn't realise the irony.

    • @eddiecalderone
      @eddiecalderone Před 24 dny +1

      We did a million times but you don’t see them as benefits

    • @RazorMouth
      @RazorMouth Před 24 dny +1

      ​@@pt4005whats the name of your company?

    • @benjy5262
      @benjy5262 Před 23 dny

      ​@eddiecalderone the benefit of the nazis was less competitive housing in Germany post war and better airplane designs...but people just "can't see them as benefits"

  • @blackdogbarking
    @blackdogbarking Před 23 dny +1

    We need PR to get irresponsible tories muffled.

  • @julianshepherd2038
    @julianshepherd2038 Před 24 dny +4

    Snp and Greens

  • @katywalker8322
    @katywalker8322 Před 22 dny +3

    UK rejoining is inevitable. The only question is when it happens. The longer the UK is out the worse it is for the UK and the EU.
    The EU aims and values are to "promote peace, its values and the well-being of its citizens. offer freedom, security and justice without internal borders, while also taking appropriate measures at its external borders to regulate asylum and immigration and prevent and combat crime. establish an internal market.". These would all be aided by the UK rejoining. Blocking the UK rejoining would be working against the EU aims and values.

    • @ralphmacchiato3761
      @ralphmacchiato3761 Před 22 dny +1

      Comply with the criteria and you're welcome to join.

    • @katywalker8322
      @katywalker8322 Před 22 dny

      @@ralphmacchiato3761 , only real issue is debt and that is mostly for adopting the Euro . And as quite a few EU countries (Belgium, France, Greece, Italy and Spain are all worse than the UK) don't meet the debt requirements either I doubt it would be a major stumbling block..
      Basic accession criteria
      > political criteria: stability of institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities;
      > economic criteria: a functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces;
      > administrative and institutional capacity to effectively implement the acquis
      and not sure anyone could claim that the UK doesn't already comply with the basic criteria

    • @trident6547
      @trident6547 Před 19 dny +1

      @@katywalker8322 Your locig is stunning. All those countries are old members. UK as a possible candidate country has not that option anymore. It is a non negotiable criteria to join EU. 50% (or close to that) of GDP is the benchmark.

    • @katywalker8322
      @katywalker8322 Před 19 dny

      @@trident6547 , and exactly where is that ratio specified? Yh is a requirement for a limit on spending limits, but that is not a hard limit

    • @jonsimmons4150
      @jonsimmons4150 Před 18 dny

      yeah we seen the open borders nightmare every week.
      no thanks.
      interpol fixes the crime- the NCA extradites ppl from anywhere , don't need to be in the EU
      it is partially a market, mainly a political union.
      albania and north Macedonia are eu inbound- they can take off where the UK left

  • @edgarlena
    @edgarlena Před 23 dny +1

    the people have spoken 😂😂. now fate of uk is sealed

  • @terencewhite8105
    @terencewhite8105 Před 5 dny

    If it is the majority view why will none of the main parties use it in their manifesto,

  • @JN-om6rw
    @JN-om6rw Před 24 dny +3

    Waste of time you're not going to get back in - too much trouble

  • @gerard7833
    @gerard7833 Před 19 dny +1

    If the eu is so great ,why are ,5,2 million of its citizens not going home?

    • @jonsimmons4150
      @jonsimmons4150 Před 18 dny

      bcos eu unemployment is shocking and wages are low, with few prospects

  • @SamanthaGomez-wm8yy
    @SamanthaGomez-wm8yy Před 10 dny +1

    I voted Leave. I was wrong.. I'm sure not the only one. To say the British people have spoken and that's the end of it. Doesn't help Britain. British are now 3rd country citizens with so many less rights.

  • @user-eu4zy6rm3l
    @user-eu4zy6rm3l Před 15 dny

    🤣 apart from anything else, these people seem to think if we did rejoin, it will be on the same or even better terms than when we left. 😆

  • @erikvynckier4819
    @erikvynckier4819 Před 6 dny

    No. The referendum will be the same. So will any Scottish referendum.

  • @mikeycroucher4299
    @mikeycroucher4299 Před 23 dny +2

    Nope no thanks

  • @deliciouslyk3437
    @deliciouslyk3437 Před 23 dny +1

    Why would any right thinking British voter, want to rejoin the 🇪🇺. Get real 17.5 million voted to leave. Stop spinning the yarn.

  • @rayc9539
    @rayc9539 Před 24 dny +9

    "The decision to leave the single market was taken by the British people"
    The british people voted to NOT be an EU MEMBER. It is possible to be in the single market whilst not being an EU member. This is seen with the EEA option (e.g. Norway). Hence why this option was proposed to us during negotiations because it would have satisfied the outcome - EU member? No. Close relationship with the EU? Yes.
    Stop assuming all lesve voters wanted to abandon the single market. That was never put to us. Turns out leave voters (including Farage) would've welcomed the EEA arrangement since we wouldn't be part of the poltical union which is the EU. EU is a political union with the objective of being an ever closer union to achieve peace amongst member states. The single market is a single regulatory economic zone underpinned by the four freedoms. They are entirely different things!

    • @RazorMouth
      @RazorMouth Před 24 dny +4

      EFTA makes absolutely no sense for the UK.
      It makes sense for Norway and Iceland due to their enormous fishing industries.
      But the UK would be in the EU with no say at the table, that makes no sense for an economy like the UK.

    • @rayc9539
      @rayc9539 Před 24 dny +1

      @@RazorMouth I know that EEA members have greater control over their fishing and agricultural legislation.
      Given the importance of the single market to the UK, it made no sense to abandon it either...

    • @RazorMouth
      @RazorMouth Před 24 dny +4

      @@rayc9539 Brexit makes no sense sure. Not for the UK economy anyway.

    • @rayc9539
      @rayc9539 Před 24 dny +1

      @@RazorMouth but you have to think about the type of brexit. Brexit was open to many different interpretations. It was the tories that wanted to get out of the single market and customs union and EU relates schemes such as erasmus. That was their choice, not the electorate.

    • @sweetwilliam4199
      @sweetwilliam4199 Před 24 dny +3

      Brexit was remain or leave. Brexit was never defined in writing in the run up to the referendum.
      The Norway option requires accepting ECJ oversight, Regulatory Alignment, substantial financial contribution etc. It is as close to full membership as can be. What happens to Brexit Sovereignty.
      The truth is so far as Britain is concerned we are either fully in or out.
      Joining would require accepting the Euro amongst other things.
      Britain must suffer the Brexit consequences for years to come.
      Britain must seek benefits elsewhere and they will be very hard to find.
      There is no more cake. That is the price of Brexit sovereignty.

  • @mr_incognito9305
    @mr_incognito9305 Před 23 dny +2

    We need back in, no matter how much of our pride we have to swallow. If it's Euro or no go, I'd accept that

    • @RealMash
      @RealMash Před 23 dny

      Fulfill Copenhagen Criteria, reduce debt to GDP to 55% from 101%. That will take you at least 15 years.
      Then apply.

    • @ralphmacchiato3761
      @ralphmacchiato3761 Před 22 dny

      ​@@RealMash+proportional representation, +written constitution. But Ireland would veto for Black '47 alone and is not the only country not in favor of the UK joining.

  • @erikvynckier4819
    @erikvynckier4819 Před 6 dny

    Switzerland, Norway, even Russia is where you want to be.
    The EU is on a collision course with reality.

  • @jcorbuk
    @jcorbuk Před 23 dny +1

    YES

  • @jacobfield4848
    @jacobfield4848 Před 21 dnem +1

    LBC keeps interrupting the Lib Dems but not the SNP.

    • @hashburystumble8808
      @hashburystumble8808 Před 14 dny

      ....because Alistair Carmichael was prevaricating & Richard Thompson gave a direct unequivocal answer.

  • @subterrainmusic4002
    @subterrainmusic4002 Před 22 dny

    We need freedom of movement! Living in Europe is a nightmare now for brits who left after Brexit.

  • @tonyt7372
    @tonyt7372 Před 18 dny

    It's almost laughable that anyone thinks the U.K can rejoin the single market but not be a EU member!? Are you having a laugh?

  • @hurri7720
    @hurri7720 Před 23 dny +1

    Britain will never join if it's just the aim of one party of the two main parties and just a 52% for it will never do. But some day it will happen. Right now I suggest you try finally to reform your political two party systen with the one party governments and fptp.

  • @michaelhoodleeder
    @michaelhoodleeder Před 24 dny +5

    Also she keeps saying British people. It's the UK

    • @robertcottam8824
      @robertcottam8824 Před 23 dny +1

      Okey-dokey, poppet: ‘Ukayish’ people it is then. Or do prefer ‘Unitedkingdomish’ folk?

    • @JohnnyinMN
      @JohnnyinMN Před 23 dny

      The UK is dead. It’s called ‘England’ now.

    • @ralphmacchiato3761
      @ralphmacchiato3761 Před 22 dny

      ​@@robertcottam8824UKOGBANIS is the term, with Bogus Kin as a mnemonic
      (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)

  • @chriszardis8543
    @chriszardis8543 Před 21 dnem

    No one voted to leave the single market...

  • @marumaru6084
    @marumaru6084 Před 19 dny +1

    The solution to a countries problems is always another layer of politicians see London Major, Welsh assembly etc So sure politicians want more high paying non jobs for them!

  • @stevesimpson6558
    @stevesimpson6558 Před 21 dnem

    Steve's entire argument is "they don't want us back", not that "it's been a success", or "British people don't want to go back in"? He's admitting that it's damaging by not singing it's success!

  • @samhartford8677
    @samhartford8677 Před 23 dny +1

    Agree with Steve Baker, against all odds, except on his solution to the Irish border and what he pretends he could have gotten. That obviously ain't true but part of the self-aggrandizing Hard Man of Brexit nonsense. The national interests of 27 countries do not change because of Steve Baker's fantasy solutions that nobody else had the brains invent or the backbone to demand.

  • @user-ux3li9bs2b
    @user-ux3li9bs2b Před 19 dny

    Why would the EU want us back? What's in it for them?

  • @germanyhamburger5552
    @germanyhamburger5552 Před 20 dny

    That these people always argue that the people voted for it.
    The politicians who wanted to stay had at least told the truth, that it wouldn't make everything better and it would make things more complicated.
    Those who wanted out just told big lies.
    I find it strange that this was even allowed.

  • @TSEliot1978
    @TSEliot1978 Před 23 dny

    Shouldn't have exited maybe...

  • @dorothysaville6057
    @dorothysaville6057 Před 15 dny

    Where are the arguments for brexit. Honestly LBC you are so biased!

  • @WinstonMelbourne-vt2vt

    Yes we should get back asap

  • @genesis1765
    @genesis1765 Před 24 dny +2

    Starmer needs to align with the EU 🇪🇺 first but we will not joining anytime soon. Veterinary agreement Europol defense are quite easy to do because the EU want them

    • @RealMash
      @RealMash Před 23 dny +2

      After the British blocking the development of an EU army I would not be so sure about defense.

    • @jonsimmons4150
      @jonsimmons4150 Před 18 dny

      @@RealMash "but! but! but! -its just a trading bloc!' nothing about army and EU primacy! but but but!

    • @aukebij3193
      @aukebij3193 Před 17 dny

      the eu has already said no Veterinary agreement or Europol defense agreement

    • @genesis1765
      @genesis1765 Před 16 dny

      @@aukebij3193 source

  • @KrzysztofSzkodaGames
    @KrzysztofSzkodaGames Před 19 dny

    Rejoining the EU will elimate the British barriers that costed billions on the British public

  • @pipins3616
    @pipins3616 Před 23 dny

    Hang on it was a lot of Labour voters who voted in Brexit

  • @Glasgow_kiss
    @Glasgow_kiss Před 24 dny

    gb energy is just a middleman for private investment. dont make it sound like some kind of nationalisation.

  • @georgecorish4283
    @georgecorish4283 Před 24 dny +6

    I dont think the eu will take yous back

  • @soton5teve
    @soton5teve Před 24 dny +4

    The later you join the less power you have, seeing as that was always a problem, it's not going to happen

  • @Albanach-je1nk
    @Albanach-je1nk Před 24 dny

    I am suffering from shock, all these Scptish voices, are you guys O.K.??

  • @columbus7950
    @columbus7950 Před 23 dny

    Labour don’t want my vote.

  • @andrew300169
    @andrew300169 Před 23 dny

    We will rejoin quickly in all but name with various treaties.

    • @trident6547
      @trident6547 Před 19 dny +2

      In your dreams. EU does not want another Switzerland. You really need to go to the homepage of the EU commission to read what UK needs to do to join.

    • @andrew300169
      @andrew300169 Před 17 dny

      @@trident6547Money talks and the member countries know that a larger EU is more powerful. Preparing the UK to easily rejoin in the future works for all, especially with the euro

  • @unionlaw
    @unionlaw Před 20 dny

    The EU is going to reform itself too. Within the EU, they may allow different speeds through giving the member states greater freedom to opt out certain areas of EU laws. As a result, that may be more appealing for the UK to rejoin the EU.

    • @trident6547
      @trident6547 Před 19 dny +1

      No it is not. That would just bring the opposite result than what is wanted. You are building sandcastles.

  • @JamesBoslem-fh9gr
    @JamesBoslem-fh9gr Před 19 dny

    How on earth is Labour going to bring down waiting lists when it takes years to train new Doctors and the self harm lunacy of Brexit and hatred of foreigners exclude hiring outside our shores

  • @ukulelelab4219
    @ukulelelab4219 Před 22 dny

    labour is not up for rejoining the eu so there must me an alternative..

  • @sarfaraz.hosseini
    @sarfaraz.hosseini Před 24 dny +9

    A process of closer alignment leading to eventually rejoining the single market is more realistic over the next decade.

    • @abbofun9022
      @abbofun9022 Před 23 dny +2

      There’s no joining the single market without full EU membership.

    • @sarfaraz.hosseini
      @sarfaraz.hosseini Před 23 dny

      @@abbofun9022 There is no joining the single market without some degree of free movement, EFTA members all have access to the free market without being members of the EU.

    • @abbofun9022
      @abbofun9022 Před 23 dny +1

      @@sarfaraz.hosseini true but EFTA is closed for UK, only leaves full membership route open. If UK thinks they can negotiate a Swiss like deal they are delusional.

    • @sarfaraz.hosseini
      @sarfaraz.hosseini Před 23 dny

      @@abbofun9022 Maroš Šefčovič on behalf of the EU already offered Free Market Access for Free Movement. A Labour government will likely do small deals on alignment for access now, eventually aiming to rejoining the single market in a future parliament. This is not an exact Swiss deal.

    • @trident6547
      @trident6547 Před 19 dny

      @@sarfaraz.hosseini And where did he do that? Since that would be completely against all the rules of EU and not in the articles of the Treaty of EU and the Treaty of EEA.
      This is UK´s only way into the single market if it does not want to join EU.
      Neither the EU, nor its current 27 member States, are members of EFTA. After Brexit, the UK, not being a member of EFTA, and not anymore an EU member, could not be an EEA member and could not be a candidate to become one.
      Article 126 EEA states that the Agreement shall apply to the territories which the Treaty establishing the EEC (today the EU) is applied and to the territories of Iceland, the Principality of Liechtenstein and the Kingdom of Norway . These three States are members of EFTA and, in accordance with articles 108 of the EEA Agreement, have established the EFTA Surveillance Authority and the EFTA Court. Both these institutions are only competent for these three States. Their role is to ensure the fulfillment by the EEA EFTA States of their obligations under the EEA Agreement. They are not competent for Switzerland, despite this country being a member of EFTA.
      Procedurally, in order to become a member of the EEA the UK would first have to present its candidacy and negotiate and conclude an accession agreement to become an EFTA member according to article 56 of the Convention establishing the EFTA. This is because the EEA cannot apply to non EU member States, with the exception of Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway, precisely because they are members of EFTA according to article 126 of the EEA. Thus, the UK will have to negotiate an accession treaty to EFTA with the four members of this organisation: Switzerland and the three EEA EFTA members.
      Once becoming an EFTA member, the UK will then have to negotiate an EEA accession treaty with the 31 entities which are members of the EEA: the EU, its 27 member States and the three EEA EFTA members. The Parties could agree to proceed to both negotiations at the same time.
      But since both norway and iceland rejects UK joining EFTA the option above is purely hypothetical.

  • @trevorsimmons3811
    @trevorsimmons3811 Před 21 dnem +1

    srtaight talker, full of BS.

  • @PauloAdriano-zo2ng
    @PauloAdriano-zo2ng Před 24 dny +8

    Please don't!
    The EU doesn't want you guys back.
    Keep the EU a UK-FREE ZONE. 😮🇬🇧❌

    • @eddiecalderone
      @eddiecalderone Před 24 dny +1

      We don’t want to join. These are deluded individuals.

  • @tryingmybest9819
    @tryingmybest9819 Před 24 dny

    Not if they have any ambition to win anything. I want us to be back the EU but we are a couple of decades away from that because nobody wants to go through that again any time soon

    • @scottlenharth4200
      @scottlenharth4200 Před 23 dny

      Imagine not wanting your elected government to have autonomy and be subservient of a bureaucratic Ponzi scheme.
      I bet when you're out for a meal your missus orders your meal. 🤣🤡

    • @tryingmybest9819
      @tryingmybest9819 Před 22 dny

      @@scottlenharth4200 l bet when you're literally in any situation, you don't understand what's going on 😆🤡

    • @tryingmybest9819
      @tryingmybest9819 Před 22 dny +1

      @@scottlenharth4200 I bet you don't understand what's going on in literally any situation 😆😆🤡

    • @ralphmacchiato3761
      @ralphmacchiato3761 Před 22 dny

      ​@@scottlenharth4200both missus and mistresses 😂 Even their chauffeur gets to pick the route! Enjoy your freedom of picking what turnips you want to eat (or perhaps you want to indulge in some heating instead!; It's your sovereign choice!)

    • @maxwild1212
      @maxwild1212 Před 22 dny

      @@scottlenharth4200 Do you have any particular evidence for this claim that the EU is a "Ponzi scheme", or is it more just a feeling you have?

  • @MrOliver1444
    @MrOliver1444 Před 24 dny +5

    Why not just try to go back in?

    • @fcassmann
      @fcassmann Před 24 dny +6

      We don't need you.
      Bye bye Brexit la la land.
      🇪🇺🇳🇱

    • @MrOliver1444
      @MrOliver1444 Před 24 dny

      @@fcassmann I guess, we need to reform the EU first. No veto rights for a single county which can block reforms than a unified army. If more old Brits a died out we can start with accession talks or they 🇪🇺

    • @RealMash
      @RealMash Před 23 dny +2

      @@MrOliver1444 NO, we can't. Fulfill Copenhagen Criteria and work through Article 49.
      If you are through, you can apply.

    • @Just_another_Euro_dude
      @Just_another_Euro_dude Před 6 dny

      Cause you CAN'T "just try to go back".

  • @actuallypaulstanley
    @actuallypaulstanley Před 23 dny +3

    Labour need to pass proportional representation within 100-days.
    Build 1.5 million social homes, owned and managed by councils.

  • @BigALBoomer
    @BigALBoomer Před 23 dny

    Ahhh yes the SNP the party who want to be independent also want to be governed by the EU

    • @br5380
      @br5380 Před 23 dny +1

      Only the gullible still believe that in 2024.

    • @ralphmacchiato3761
      @ralphmacchiato3761 Před 22 dny

      ​@@br5380it is irrelevant as they are not a member of the EU. First things first.

    • @br5380
      @br5380 Před 22 dny

      @@ralphmacchiato3761 their comment or mine?

    • @ralphmacchiato3761
      @ralphmacchiato3761 Před 22 dny

      ​@@br5380Both. It is a post Brexit era. My estimation is that realignment alone will take you 20 years.

  • @Dabmonger
    @Dabmonger Před 24 dny

    We go back in when at least 65% want to, or if decades have already passed then it could be set at a lower %.

    • @RealMash
      @RealMash Před 23 dny +1

      Nope, read Copenhagen criteria.

    • @Sony2015TV
      @Sony2015TV Před 23 dny

      ​@@RealMashWould you like to explain exactly?

    • @Dabmonger
      @Dabmonger Před 23 dny

      @@RealMash I'm not sure if you're saying that setting such a referendum percentage, or otherwise, is covered in the criteria, or whether you're saying that we can't just walk back in whenever we want (which of course the UK cannot do, but negotiation will be possible).

    • @trident6547
      @trident6547 Před 19 dny

      @@Dabmonger Do you understand that joining EU is not a negotiating process anymore. It is all about the candidate country implementing all EU acquis ( laws, agreements etc) split up in six clusters with 35 chapters in its legislation.
      On what issues is the candidate country not allowed to negotiate?
      Adoption of the EU Acquis, establishment of administrative structures towards implementation, compliance with the Copenhagen political criteria and Copenhagen economic criteria cannot be negotiated.
      On what issues is the candidate country allowed to negotiate?
      The candidate country is allowed to negotiate on when and how the adoption of the EU Acquis will take place. In exceptional cases, transition phases, temporary derogations and requests of additional assistance can also be included into negotiations.
      There are no negotiations about opt-outs or rebates because there are no such anymore for anyone.

    • @Sony2015TV
      @Sony2015TV Před 19 dny

      ​@@trident6547If you think that negotiation isn't possible, then you are very naive. Rules can be changed, and a new tier of membership can even be introduced.

  • @steviemcclintick703
    @steviemcclintick703 Před 23 dny

    The SNP clown hypocrisy. They want out of a political union with our next door neighbours with 50 plus MPs in a parliament 650.
    To join a political union with corrupt unaccountable UNELECTED commission ruling it thousands of miles away speaking different languages with 6 or so MSPs in a parliament of 850 ?????🙈😂😂😂😂Si much for their claim to wanting independence!!!😂😂😂

    • @jarikrawczyk
      @jarikrawczyk Před 23 dny +1

      Why? It worked well for Czechoslovakia. They did split but they are together in the EU.

    • @br5380
      @br5380 Před 23 dny +2

      And you've learned NOTHING since 2016 have you...
      Reminder, Sunak had to ask the King to dissolve Parliament - when did we vote for a King?

    • @andrew300169
      @andrew300169 Před 23 dny +3

      OMG! They speak different languages! Classic little englander

  • @johndean1953
    @johndean1953 Před 23 dny +2

    The damaged caused to the UK by leaving the EU will be felt for generations. Our position when we were part of the European Union was unique. As a founder member we were in the extremely privileged position of having a central role in shaping the organisation. This country foolishly chose to break from this role, by the narrowest of margins however, in a democracy people change their minds. The country is in a very different place now to where it was in 2016. Anyone who tries to pretend otherwise is very foolish indeed.

    • @RealMash
      @RealMash Před 23 dny +2

      You never were a founding member, in fact France vetoed you joining twice. What do you guys learn in school? Yeah. thought so.

    • @jonsimmons4150
      @jonsimmons4150 Před 18 dny

      yeah uk fishing waters handed over, uk was the eu jobcenter for their flagging economies, and also paid in top coin for the privilege..
      cant win a election with hi unemployment, luckily the UK was there to absorb the mass, and take it off their figures.. they cannot dodge this now..

  • @lucasmoreno5330
    @lucasmoreno5330 Před 24 dny

    Dale a brexiteer 😂

  • @CaptainCataractss
    @CaptainCataractss Před 24 dny +2

    I’m American and I haven’t gone to Europe yet. I’m going to avoid the UK because it makes no sense to go there if I can’t get to Europe easily. Rather just fly into Germany and visit all the countries around there.

    • @RealMash
      @RealMash Před 23 dny

      You are welcome here.

    • @ethanbaker22
      @ethanbaker22 Před 23 dny +1

      UK person here - You can fly from the likes of Heathrow, Garwick, Manchester, Bristol, Glasgow, Edinburgh etc very easily into mainland Europe :) also there is the Eurostar train and ferries as well!
      I personally fly from Bristol return to Europe for £20-50 / €25-55 ish quite a few times :)

    • @CaptainCataractss
      @CaptainCataractss Před 23 dny +1

      @@ethanbaker22 thank you for the info! That makes it a lot better! I really want to see Stone Henge

    • @ethanbaker22
      @ethanbaker22 Před 23 dny

      @@CaptainCataractss no problem:)
      Bristol or London airports are you closest to that!
      (London if flying from US) either if you are flying in from Europe.

    • @jonsimmons4150
      @jonsimmons4150 Před 18 dny

      as a american you will find that *none speak English as the 1st language..*
      -that'll learn you..

  • @michaelhelbrow7906
    @michaelhelbrow7906 Před 23 dny

    No cos they cant. We left move on and get over it.

    • @andrew300169
      @andrew300169 Před 23 dny +1

      Never, is a miserable failure as we said it would be.

    • @michaelhelbrow7906
      @michaelhelbrow7906 Před 23 dny

      @andrew300169 we will never go back and brexit is fine. Things need to improve yes but that doesnt mean we need to go back to the eu. People need to stop crying and get on with it.

    • @maxwild1212
      @maxwild1212 Před 22 dny

      @@michaelhelbrow7906 Can you name a single tangible benefit of it?

    • @michaelhelbrow7906
      @michaelhelbrow7906 Před 22 dny

      @maxwild1212 yeah we are out of the currupt eu. Now stop crying and get on with it.

    • @maxwild1212
      @maxwild1212 Před 22 dny

      @@michaelhelbrow7906 It feels odd to have to explain this to an adult, but re-stating a policy does not count as naming a tangible benefit of said policy.
      In what way is the EU "corrupt", by the way?

  • @stevo728822
    @stevo728822 Před 24 dny +1

    The UK would have to pay an entrance fee of £50 billion to rejoin the EU. But Spain and France might veto it.

    • @RealMash
      @RealMash Před 23 dny

      Greece wants the marbles back ;-)

    • @br5380
      @br5380 Před 23 dny

      £50bn is cheap based on the economy losing 4% (of £3T).

  • @seamuspadraigsanders431

    The nostalgia party maybe.

  • @virtious8
    @virtious8 Před 24 dny +2

    If only we had Steve Baker's brilliant version of brexit...

  • @stephenscaife9993
    @stephenscaife9993 Před 18 dny +1

    Funny thing is if you speak to Europeans, they want out of the EU. Strange that?