AI is Overrated - Why ThePrimeagen Ripped Out GitHub Copilot From His Code Editor [Podcast

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  • čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
  • On this week's episode of the podcast, freeCodeCamp founder Quincy Larson interviews The Primeagean. He's a software engineer who streams himself programming. He recently left his job at Netflix to stream full-time.
    We talk about:
    - Prime's journey from his teacher telling him he'll never accomplish anything in life to working as an engineer at one of the most prestigious tech companies.
    - Prime's love of "Nintendo Hard" video games, and how his love of challenge propelled him to "get good" at coding
    - What it's like to live stream coding in front of more than 1,000 people for a dozen hours each week
    - Leaving San Francisco to move his family of 6 to a horse ranch in South Dakota
    - Prime's thoughts on AI and how he thinks it will actually create more developer jobs than it destroys
    I had a blast talking with this guy. Though I don't agree with everything he says, I am right there with him on AI and how it's useful but over-hyped. We'll see what future versions hold and whether a "Moore's Law of AI" is really at work here, or whether it will plateau.
    I also agree with Prime that devs need to slow down and improve their foundational skills. There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.
    Can you guess what song I'm playing on my bass during the intro? It's from a 1996 rock song.
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    Links we talk about during the interview:
    - Prime's Twitch, from which his CZcams videos are derived: / theprimeagen
    - Prime's Harpoon library on GitHub, which he talks about maintaining: github.com/ThePrimeagen/harpoon
    - A speedrun of Battletoads by The Mexican Runner, to show you how "Nintendo Hard" this game really is. 36 minutes is an excellent time for a non-pro speedrunner like Prime to achieve: • [World Record] Battlet...
    0:00:00 Introduction and Background
    0:02:10 Childhood Influences and Video Games
    0:08:28 The Impact of Losing a Parent
    0:13:16 Unleashing Potential- Are We Settling for Less?
    0:29:29 The Importance of Taking the Time to Learn
    0:47:22 A Life-Changing Moment and Transformation
    0:55:29 The Myth of Working Smart, Not Hard
    1:02:38 Creating Routines and Maintaining Discipline
    1:03:37 ThePrimeagen's Daily Routine and Lean into Night Owl Nature
    1:05:49 The Process of Streaming and Building Projects
    1:08:50 Twitch vs. CZcams- Live Interaction vs. Asynchronous Communication
    1:12:25 The Responsibility of Sharing Opinions on the Internet
    1:14:00 Knowing When to Let Go of Projects
    1:18:09 Interest in Real Estate and Potential Career Shift
    1:26:56 Using Copilot and its Impact
    1:50:16 The Integration of AI into Industries
    2:00:26 Prioritizing Experience and Project Building
    2:02:16 The Marathon Mindset for Success
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Komentáře • 265

  • @quincylarsonmusic
    @quincylarsonmusic Před měsícem +58

    If you learned a few new things from my discussion with ThePrimeagen, I've also done in-depth interviews with Jeff Atwood, Joel Spolsky, David Malan, and a lot of other devs. I publish these every Friday. You can listen to these on Spotify or your podcast player of choice. Happy coding. 🏕

    • @davidalex684
      @davidalex684 Před měsícem +2

      I Will check it out. nice toons

    • @dee.s.4513
      @dee.s.4513 Před měsícem +2

      Thank you Quincy for this and all your interviews. They are all interesting, and not just for the line-up but because you're such a natural interviewer. And, I really liked Prime's answer on AI, especially with him starting with comparing English with programming languages. AI has espcially a very long way to go to give you the exact design and styling you want for a web-page, and that regardless of how finely you may formulate your prompts.✌

    • @quincylarsonmusic
      @quincylarsonmusic Před měsícem +1

      @@dee.s.4513 Thanks for your kind words. I am working hard on my interview skills, and I appreciate the compliment. I'll keep these coming.

    • @AnonymousAccount514
      @AnonymousAccount514 Před měsícem +1

      STP - Big Bang Baby

    • @davidalex684
      @davidalex684 Před měsícem +2

      Good 👍 jobe Quincy, remember God is always with you in whatever you are doing

  • @codenamerishi
    @codenamerishi Před měsícem +151

    " My uncle abused me and he's in prison rn"
    "so what got you interested in computers"
    😂😂

    • @sqlexp
      @sqlexp Před měsícem +11

      The interviewer probably also had had similar experiences, so his trauma caused him to block it out immediately.

    • @brando8314
      @brando8314 Před měsícem +17

      Prime handled it like a champ. He did pretty good in the interview, too.

    • @KoopstaKlicca
      @KoopstaKlicca Před 27 dny

      Freud in his flesh ​@@sqlexp

    • @zaynmalice7106
      @zaynmalice7106 Před 23 dny +4

      @@sqlexp what in the armchair psychology is this nonsense?

    • @sqlexp
      @sqlexp Před 23 dny

      @@zaynmalice7106 It's too painful for him to even think about it.

  • @garland-key
    @garland-key Před 29 dny +52

    I can feel the pain in Primeagean's voice when talking about the past. Respect.

    • @KhalidWar
      @KhalidWar Před 27 dny +1

      He got me tearing up a little tbh. Mad respect.

  • @ddddsdsdsd
    @ddddsdsdsd Před měsícem +18

    14:03 I was abused too. I had neither a mom nor a dad. It’s a terrible feeling not being able to lean on someone your whole life. Then, most of us troubled kids choose the wrong partner, and the suffering gets worse.

    • @pachvandio
      @pachvandio Před měsícem +3

      I hope and pray you find the healing you need and find yourself a healthy community. I’m sorry the people around you took you for granted and treat you poorly. I’m proud of you for sharing your pain here.

  • @sandcurves
    @sandcurves Před 24 dny +8

    0 minutes in, "Do I really want to watch another AI take", 20 minutes in, "Quincy asks awkward questions", 30ish minutes in "this is okay, but Primeagean pops up too much anyway in CZcams", 55ish minutes in, "I think this is a classic, I should send this to my near-adult kids"

  • @yannanydeira
    @yannanydeira Před měsícem +21

    The first hour of this vid was SO incredibly valuable and his world view and background provided meaningful context that I can't even describe but I'm so happy I saw this, thank you The Primeagean for your time and Quincy Larson for this platform truly

    • @quincylarsonmusic
      @quincylarsonmusic Před měsícem

      I'm thrilled you got so much out of it. We'll keep these insightful interviews coming. 🏕

  • @ssmith5048
    @ssmith5048 Před měsícem +45

    Good to hear his thoughts on AI / copilot. I never thought this was a good idea. Ironically, the only people who should use it are those who don´t need it, was always my thought. Interesting , but not surprising, to hear from someone who doesn´t need to use it, to then realize it was detrimental.

    • @TheStickofWar
      @TheStickofWar Před 28 dny +10

      Copilot in my little experience with it just became effectively a really good pattern completion tool. I have 4 callbacks to write, they all are more or less the same but the good naming means it's easy to guess the pattern. So it just writes what I was going to write.
      For all other cases it kind of sucks, gives bad code, etc

    • @tlz124
      @tlz124 Před 15 dny

      I consider myself a really crappy to mediocre programmer, if I'm being honest. But I love it so I'll keep doing it. When I first used ChatGPT, it blew my mind because I thought I would finally be able to make things without spending years on projects. Then I saw George Hotz on the Lex Fridman podcast. He said that the code that ChatGPT makes is the same as rap songs that it makes. It's corny and embarrassing

  • @dankprole7884
    @dankprole7884 Před 24 dny +4

    This guy understands AI way better than the AI researchers I work with. Worrying!

  • @SnowTheParrot
    @SnowTheParrot Před měsícem +6

    I watch most of Primes streams and most of his viewers don't realize how cool or difficult what hes doing is....
    A lot of them do, but most of them dont appreciate it

  • @Ajax9523
    @Ajax9523 Před měsícem +4

    Awesome discussion. Really enjoyed hearing both of your takes.

  • @vishaldinesh
    @vishaldinesh Před měsícem +8

    What, I always thought the other guy was the founder of free code camp. Crazy.

  • @mokshchadha9151
    @mokshchadha9151 Před měsícem +24

    I started listening to this podcast with the assumption just know about the AI hype, but this is a podcast is such a master class on so many different levels and topics. Kudos to freecodecamp for bringing out such content.

    • @quincylarsonmusic
      @quincylarsonmusic Před měsícem +4

      Thanks, man. I'm doing my best to really bring out interesting perspectives from guests. 🏕

    • @mptcz
      @mptcz Před měsícem +5

      This is easily best primeagen interview ive heard, and general deep take on life lessons. I can relate, I really appreciate this conversation.
      Thank you Quincy & Prime

    • @quincylarsonmusic
      @quincylarsonmusic Před měsícem +4

      @@mptcz thanks for your kind words and for tuning in man. I will continue to do a ton of research and do my best to interview these devs.

    • @mokshchadha9151
      @mokshchadha9151 Před měsícem +1

      @@quincylarsonmusic Thankyou so much, keep up the good work.

    • @TheManinBlack9054
      @TheManinBlack9054 Před 29 dny +2

      AI is clearly underhyped if you look at it from far away

  • @thomasballard1753
    @thomasballard1753 Před měsícem

    Dudes. Great chat. Thank you!

  • @cariyaputta
    @cariyaputta Před 24 dny

    Thanks both for the talk.

  • @rolandfisher
    @rolandfisher Před měsícem +3

    Timestamps are all off. The thing you want to listen to is always ahead. Be prepared to skip ahead a fair bit. About fourteen minutes by the end.

  • @nadinejammet7683
    @nadinejammet7683 Před měsícem

    Thank you so much, Quincy, for the amazing platform you have created as well as these very insightful conversations.

  • @user-hb4vv8ug7v
    @user-hb4vv8ug7v Před měsícem +10

    Did they just deleted the privious video, and re-post it again 😕

    • @quincylarsonmusic
      @quincylarsonmusic Před měsícem +29

      The previous version had some audio-video syncing issues so we re-uploaded.

  • @examinethose
    @examinethose Před měsícem +6

    man this is quite the conversation...

  • @dawid_dahl
    @dawid_dahl Před 21 dnem

    This was a surprisingly great conversation. Thank you! 🙏🏻

  • @LukeAvedon
    @LukeAvedon Před měsícem +1

    The the Tapestry reference! My favorite Star Trek episode.

  • @pjosxyz
    @pjosxyz Před měsícem +13

    he's sold me on not using copilot

    • @iorekby
      @iorekby Před měsícem +9

      Cam confirm. SAP (which is practically as big as it gets for software engineering) ran Copilot on its engineering teams for 6 months. We're talking 1000s of software engineers here across as diverse a range of software projects as you can get.
      The review showed less than a 10% productivity gain. It was pretty pathetic.

    • @jbaguetta
      @jbaguetta Před 20 dny +4

      10% in your case is 100 devs less which is a saving of 7 million euro yearly! Stupid take.

    • @iorekby
      @iorekby Před 20 dny +2

      @jbaguetta You clearly don't work in tech. Let me educate you:
      SAP has been doing huge layoffs and quiet firing. They are losing more engineers than tiny AI productivity gains can make up for, and they are losing business.
      But sure brah "we save on €7 million on salary" because likes of Enterprise Co pilot is free right? Oh no wait Microsoft charge €10million a year for a company like SAP to use it. So net loss if 3 million + cost of losing business
      There's a stupid take here alright. But it's not mine.

    • @jbaguetta
      @jbaguetta Před 19 dny +1

      You are assuming 1000s of devs. I was assuming 1000. You are telling me a 10% gain is not worth 39 dollars per dev a month. 10m/40 = 250.000 devs??? Also Dirk Lüdtke posted 3 months ago sap is starting to roll out copilot internally. Stop lying cause of your own agenda dude....

    • @iorekby
      @iorekby Před 19 dny

      @jbaguetta Look companies likely SAP adopting Copilot is not about value add. Gains are tiny.
      It's about mass layoffs cost saving and bluffing to customers they are still getting same quality because AI makes up the difference, despite the fact it doesn't in this case.

  • @Ignotusvia
    @Ignotusvia Před 16 dny +2

    As dangerous as AI can become, for Engineers it does incapacitate the ability of novel problem solving because if you are not exposed to constant failure you can never rise above any challenge. This also brings up the question, if these marginal quasi-programmers become the majority then what will happen to the multitude of programming lanaguages?
    If the latter prevail then this can give rise to a singular language that will express machine replication instead of human thought.

  • @tekmentor
    @tekmentor Před 13 dny +1

    I cannot stand the multitasking of the interviewer, much respect to Prime to take the interview seriously anyway.

  • @programmingloop7
    @programmingloop7 Před 29 dny +3

    The talk about AI starts around 1:40:30. Around 20mins after the timestamp :facepalm-emoji:

  • @horrorcoder
    @horrorcoder Před měsícem +23

    The talk is nice but they don't almost say anything about AI and copilot.. You cab skip to 1:43h

  • @thisbridgehascables
    @thisbridgehascables Před měsícem +7

    I think the question about ‘potential’ should have been framed as : does one actually have the potential internally from the start to learn or does one have to learn to learn?? Like being born with an inherited skill or do we obtain through doing?
    Also do people have a built in limitation and no matter the time spent , results in no real accessible knowledge.
    Prime’s time philosophy is basically what I considered a form of calculated goals. You set a goal and measure all the risks to form a path to the goal. Risks don’t need to be dangerous but could be setting time aside, putting all your focus and chips on it.
    Almost a guaranteed success given the time you allow to develop and build what is needed to accomplish the goal.
    What Prime is building for the game engine is similar to a co-worker did with a card game.. years ago.. which caused issues because of the latency and memory.. hopefully Prime can solve it.

  • @saliexplore3094
    @saliexplore3094 Před 18 dny

    @1:57:00 the point he makes about language not being a precise form of communication is accurate imo. This means it's difficult to control the outputs generated by GenAI, which is crucial for many practical tasks.

  • @wetsand7379
    @wetsand7379 Před měsícem +5

    Was the song at the beginning Art School Girl by STP?

  • @umavictor
    @umavictor Před měsícem

    I can't explain how much I love these kind of videos

  • @tahsin95
    @tahsin95 Před měsícem +9

    It is not about AI taking your job, it's about companies leveraging AI to make their existing employees or hiring fewer employees because they can get more productivity done with AI as opposed to having multiple people at it - this will lead to reduction in team size, which ironically will mean in some way that AI will take your job.
    People need to stop coping.
    The most competent, technical people will stay, those with midlevel competencies will be weeded out.
    This is essentially a form of eugenics and we've been doing this since the dawn of technological revolution.

    • @mikairu2944
      @mikairu2944 Před 26 dny +2

      I'll say it again and again, this is just ego. "AI will replace everybody BUT ME"

    • @milii113
      @milii113 Před 13 dny +2

      This, and so many of these people don't understand that AI doesn't need to do their job *as well as* them, it just needs to do enough to justify not having a human for it. In the end they don't care how shitty the AI work is because it's essentially free, so long as it can justify cutting salary it'll be used. This is literally one of the driving forces behind recent enshittification (just look at AI "journalism").
      That, and the fact that the ones who are left will not only have to do their job, but will just be saddled with the work of managing the AIs and covering for the lost manpower.
      It's wishful and frankly naive thinking to believe that companies will hire dedicated specialists to manage all these lost positions over just dumping it on existing employees.

    • @andrewflanders262
      @andrewflanders262 Před 12 dny

      AI best replaces junior devs, because they're often given the easy stuff that AI can handle. So what it means to be a junior dev will have to change. This is what I'm curious to observe.
      Senior devs who oversee an amount of complexity that is beyond what AI tools can encompass, won't notice much of a difference.

  • @Pavel-wj7gy
    @Pavel-wj7gy Před měsícem +15

    It doesn't need to TAKE your job. It just needs to devalue it low enough on average to make it not worth it.

  • @trevorfranks69
    @trevorfranks69 Před měsícem +2

    Insane collab

  • @PowerGurhl
    @PowerGurhl Před 21 dnem

    Haha Ace Ventura: when nature calls! Was also my favorite. I memorized the lines. Loved that movie so much ❤ spent my childhood watching that and Liar Liar

  • @void9545
    @void9545 Před 3 dny

    13:00 I never knew that he grew up without a father figure. I feel extremely bad for him and it makes me wonder about my old SO. She also grew up without one. It seems to impact early development quite rough.

  • @jesse9999999
    @jesse9999999 Před měsícem +4

    In case the interviewer is reading, I think you've done a great job here but I don't think you need to qualify your questions as much - it felt like almost every question was preceded by "i don't want this to turn into an x conversation but..." - to me it could have felt a bit more natural not to worry about that kind of stuff

    • @quincylarsonmusic
      @quincylarsonmusic Před měsícem +6

      Thanks for the feedback about that quirk of my questioning. BTW I wasn't reading. I was typing notes as he was speaking. I continuously take notes as party of my active listening process, so I can accurately restate things the guest says and drill in for more detail.

    • @jesse9999999
      @jesse9999999 Před měsícem +5

      @@quincylarsonmusic sorry I meant in case you were reading the comments!

  • @calcs001
    @calcs001 Před měsícem +10

    This was difficult to watch at times. None the less, always a pleasure hearing the hot takes of Theprimeagen. Straight talk, no bs.

    • @TheAlgorithmicJourney
      @TheAlgorithmicJourney Před měsícem +7

      Please elaborate on your point. How was it difficult to watch?

    • @mojojojo6525
      @mojojojo6525 Před měsícem +6

      The interviewer wasn't great most of the time

  • @jackwebdev
    @jackwebdev Před měsícem +2

    Awesome podcast!

  • @jsharick7
    @jsharick7 Před 15 dny

    Finally, someone else mentions how the word async makes no sense in the context of asynchronous programming. Was such a confusing hurdle for me

  • @krum303
    @krum303 Před měsícem +3

    Big Bang Baby!

  • @petersuvara
    @petersuvara Před 26 dny

    There's so much freedom and so much information, it can get overwhelming. Self management is critical, I agree.

  • @darylallen2485
    @darylallen2485 Před 28 dny +1

    46:46 - I went to the learning center at my university for calculus as well. There's nothing humiliating about it, in my opinion. This view that the learning center is humiliating sounds like an idea that someone has if they never went through the pain of being good at calculus. I earn high six figures as a network engineer and, to this DAY, calculus is the hardest thing I ever learned. As a result, I talk about math with pride because I learned it. I also went to my schools learning center for hours a day to get help with understanding the problem solving processes. We called it the MERC (Math Education Resource Center) lab at University of Colorado Denver.
    I love freecodecamp, but this is such an intellectually impoverished view that getting help to learn something is humiliating.

    • @gordonthomson7533
      @gordonthomson7533 Před 28 dny

      Sorry to jump on one point unrelated to the actual point….
      I’m curious - you say high 6 figs for network engineer?
      Lowest qualifier for “high six figs” is $600k or more…is that correct for you?
      I’m asking from UK….always good to know the world market for quality guys, but that’s 3 times the highest opportunity here.

    • @sp123
      @sp123 Před 27 dny

      @@gordonthomson7533 he probably means closer to 200-250k and that could be due to things like on call, being on a contract, etc.

    • @Feeble_cursed_one
      @Feeble_cursed_one Před 27 dny

      One of the hardest things to do in life is to ask for help. Good job

    • @ci6516
      @ci6516 Před 27 dny +2

      I don’t think that was his position . I used tutoring , but many people I know feel embarrassed about it. To pass trig I was spending so many hours . I was a HS dropout and graduate next year with a major in CS and a minor in mathematics. I needed the help .

  • @jimmyadelaja
    @jimmyadelaja Před měsícem +1

    CS Lewis 🙌🏾🙌🏾. Really loved that book

  • @cadmean-reader
    @cadmean-reader Před 13 dny

    I already feel it with fancier IDEs with their language servers auto-populating a tab-complete dropdown menu for an object's next method for python. Some days it actually feels easier to make something in C than in python, because of having learned one the hard way vs the atrophy facet. Can't imagine what GPT auto-complete will do.

  • @opencode1
    @opencode1 Před měsícem

    Thank you for your effort :) YOu guys are amazing

  • @tomaspereira4797
    @tomaspereira4797 Před měsícem

    “Art without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us many useful objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets", the same goes to coding, we make practical art

  • @dkierans
    @dkierans Před měsícem

    Cool guest.

  • @TheBadFred
    @TheBadFred Před 18 dny +1

    I feel like loosing control of my process if I have to rely on a tool.

  • @sa-hq8jk
    @sa-hq8jk Před 22 dny +2

    i use neovim btw (harpoon btw)

  • @Nemo-yt1gi
    @Nemo-yt1gi Před měsícem +1

    jesus, i just realized i have exactly the same headphones as Quincy. Really great video!

    • @quincylarsonmusic
      @quincylarsonmusic Před měsícem +1

      They're solid studio monitors - good for calls and great for mixing / mastering.

    • @Nemo-yt1gi
      @Nemo-yt1gi Před měsícem +1

      @@quincylarsonmusic yeah, don't get me started on the price point. such a great value!

  • @AtacamaHumanoid
    @AtacamaHumanoid Před 21 dnem

    I did recognize that bass line, but your tone sounded way more like 80s hardcore so it threw me off! It would have made a good intro or a break for a Black Flag, Minor Threat, Cryptic Slaughter or Agnostic Front tune.

  • @jameswarren2222
    @jameswarren2222 Před 10 dny

    Got to agree that learning to code and to build applications and infrastructure takes time. It takes months after getting a dev job to be basically useful and years to become proficient and decades to gain true mastery. The biggest block is not knowing what you dont know. No one can do a course and become an expert or even that employable unless the employer is happy to give time to learn on the job. I would say a much less stressful route to full stack dev is starting in something where its easier to get a job. Maybe second line support or QA or data reporting or often theres jobs going where you just sticky plaster some crap IT processes. These are jobs that are fairly easy to get as a new grad or even without a degree in the UK at least. From there, just make contacts within the dev team and seem interested and offer to help out on various projects once you know a few people and learn everything you can at work and do some programming outside of work. When a junior dev job comes up you will be in a much stronger position to apply and even if your coding sucks, you will know people and know the systems there which is already half the learning!

  • @luckyalade4171
    @luckyalade4171 Před měsícem +16

    @ThePrimeTimeagen is a legend!
    Only legends know this guy.
    His reaction videos are epic.😂😂

    • @salomonmetre2117
      @salomonmetre2117 Před měsícem +2

      End of each of his videos : "Name's ThePrimeAgen !". Epic dev 🤣🤣!

    • @luckyalade4171
      @luckyalade4171 Před měsícem

      @@salomonmetre2117😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @josemartins-game
    @josemartins-game Před měsícem +4

    AI is being hipped to get money from investors.

  • @TheManInCommand
    @TheManInCommand Před měsícem +2

    Me and this guy got into coding the same kind of way except for my game of choice was Quake 3 and Diablo II.

  • @smilebot484
    @smilebot484 Před 3 dny

    i worked at a bootcamp for 5 years. you only really start to learn how to code when you solve problems for yourself. new programmers will never learn to code with these tools. i see a lot of devs who never learned how to code without Ai. they can copy patterns but they can't really code

  • @samuelescobar6121
    @samuelescobar6121 Před měsícem

    I needed to vent this out and give my personal opinion. I believe in the mid term AI will replace jobs and I believe it`s inevitable but I believe we don`t have to worry since we can always adapt and work hard to still be relevant in the fashion of whatever time we are in. I believe learning to program is worth it though since we will have a lot advantage and experience over those who are giving it up right now so when AI hits us all hard we will already have explored tech and fall behind the trend. So adapting to the trend to survive keeps me positive

    • @mikairu2944
      @mikairu2944 Před 26 dny

      Programming is always worth learning because of how much it teachers you about logical thinking. It'll be worth your time even when nobody needs to actually need to code anything, I think, as a way of training your brain

  • @Necessarius
    @Necessarius Před 29 dny +2

    The FreeCodeCamp Guy Was typing 70% of the time or I'm wrong?
    it so annoying the keyboard sound.... But maybe he was doing something else?

  • @Isra-p1
    @Isra-p1 Před 18 dny

    So awesome you guys!

  • @TheGreatOne93
    @TheGreatOne93 Před 12 dny

    Ive used an IDE with a Copilot feature yesterday and it was annoying. It kept recommending me the wrong advice.

  • @mememan9890
    @mememan9890 Před 18 dny

    WHAT IS THE SONG NAME ITS SO CLOSE IN MY MIND

  • @SpragginsDesigns
    @SpragginsDesigns Před 21 dnem +1

    1:40:48 is when they actually start talking about AI.

  • @quietcoast
    @quietcoast Před měsícem

    Chapters are off. Great video though.

  • @MyWatermelonz
    @MyWatermelonz Před 15 dny +2

    Nope. There is a cope among both sides. The people who overhype AI (like the crypto grifters), and the people who underhype it. The gap is so large between them too usually.
    LLM's are VERY good for only a few years of progress. If sam altman is correct and gpt4 is the dumbest model going forward, then yeah, the next model is going to be able to template and make a lot of code and do it very well. Even now if you need snippets or specific info on a library it can help with that.
    It can not make full applications, though with agentic workflows it gets closer and closer. That's very expensive though to have 10-20 gpt4o's working on the same thing.
    You absolutely need to be wary of improvements. I mean freecodecamp makes its entire living off of teaching coding, so of course they want to tell you everything is fine.
    Even if we never get AI to do math and logic soon, if it can be trained on enough code it WILL output it at a rate better or equal to humans.

    • @PaulRyan2k
      @PaulRyan2k Před 14 dny +1

      You're so right, although I would say the overhyping is a bit more warranted. Exponential progress is something people don't have a proper grasp on IMO

  • @jerms_mcerms9231
    @jerms_mcerms9231 Před měsícem +2

    It's crazy that prime was so good at video games so young. I remember playing driver 2 as a kid and the 2nd to last mission where you chase Kenny around the mountain road took me months! And I was like 11 or 12 lol

  • @jspnser
    @jspnser Před měsícem +1

    Primeagen is the best

  • @hamadkhan4367
    @hamadkhan4367 Před měsícem +1

    I listened to whole video and the talk on the title is like 5 mins.

  • @kennytheripper2526
    @kennytheripper2526 Před měsícem +7

    Absolutely I agree with him. Though these A.I. softwares like GPT services are giving somewhat free services as they are claiming to, but if you se either closer and analyse, it just is giving an approximate result which is not that relevant which you are exactly looking for. Their opinions might change your ideology from the very base level if you believe them too much. They call themselves unbiased, but I think they are just a company propaganda...

    • @adam7802
      @adam7802 Před měsícem +6

      AI is absolutely biased. Try asking them about more spicy topics.

    • @TheManinBlack9054
      @TheManinBlack9054 Před 29 dny

      @@adam7802 sometimes to be true you have to be biased as truth isnt always in the middle

    • @adam7802
      @adam7802 Před 29 dny +4

      @@TheManinBlack9054 Truth is based on facts not what is convenient to you.

  • @petersuvara
    @petersuvara Před 26 dny

    Settling for less is ok. We should be able to accept that being you, whoever that may be is acceptable, that you don't need endless ambition for you to be accepted. However, in our evolution and biology, parts of us are wired to go on the hunt, and the kill and reward make us work towards those goals, this is particularly true of men, who for millions of years focussed on that part of our social cohesion.

  • @qaw392
    @qaw392 Před měsícem +4

    PirateSoftware when?

    • @quincylarsonmusic
      @quincylarsonmusic Před měsícem +3

      I'm familiar with him and may approach him in the future. 🏕

    • @qaw392
      @qaw392 Před měsícem +1

      @@quincylarsonmusic let's go

  • @cariyaputta
    @cariyaputta Před 23 dny +1

    Turning off Codeium was the best decision for my programming growth.

  • @TonyGonzales
    @TonyGonzales Před 27 dny +1

    My eyes almost rolled out of my head with the videogame anecdote at the beginning of the interview. Hard to take the interviewee seriously after he opens with such awkward and blatant lies.

  • @MrRobix13
    @MrRobix13 Před měsícem +21

    Oh, I've never watched a single freeCodeCamp video in my life, but the interviewer is just brimming with empathy - or is it just me? Primeagen is dropping some serious bombs, and the other guy's all, "So, um, how about that weather?"

    • @Quephara
      @Quephara Před měsícem +2

      Engineer probably, maybe acoustic

    • @isaacjon
      @isaacjon Před měsícem +2

      He's the creator of freecodecamp

    • @4m470
      @4m470 Před měsícem +3

      ​@@Quepharanaw, fCC host still needs to grow as an interviewer and podcaster. I've seen a few other episodes and the guy isn't always present. It seems like he isn't thinking about what the guest is saying. To me it looks like he's thinking about the next bit. It's cool tho. He'll get better as he gains experience.

    • @quincylarsonmusic
      @quincylarsonmusic Před měsícem +10

      @@4m470 Thanks for the feedback. If it seems like I'm not present it may be because I'm continuously taking notes and trying to think of subsequent questions the guest hasn't been asked before. As part of preparing for this I listened to all of his past podcast interviews and tried to steer the conversation around well-trodden territory into new places.

    • @4m470
      @4m470 Před měsícem +5

      @@quincylarsonmusic For sure. Thnx for the content and for fCC. You do amazing work.

  • @donaldjohnson-ow3kq
    @donaldjohnson-ow3kq Před 29 dny

    preciseness = precision?

  • @christianpenguin2651
    @christianpenguin2651 Před 10 dny

    I came here for the AI part and got a lot more :-). I was myself realizing the hard way, that in order to be a proficient programmer, forget about the „work smarter“ or „work-life-balance“ fads.
    The grinding is real and it sometimes hurts, but it's the price any willing person pays in any profession. So we better get over it and stop complaining.

  • @CatChrist
    @CatChrist Před měsícem +1

    LESSGOOOOO PRIMETIMEEEEE

  • @NomadicBrian
    @NomadicBrian Před 7 dny

    Anyone can write code. On one level or another. One of the most important factors that humans have over AI is the ability to think 'out of the box'. The ideas that just seem to come out of nowhere but are in fact manifested in the ability to go beyond borders in your mind to achieve a better solution. You can get there genetically by being born a genius or you can build it with time and an understanding to grasp patterns and train your mind to level up. You cannot do that if someone or something is always providing you with an answer. One of the things I always took care with when mentoring Jr. staff or helping students in college at the Academic Computing Center at Buffalo State University. All of my mentors and best managers helped me to perfect being a smarter contributor to my field. I say... 'don't finish my code asshole. Get the f*** out!'

  • @lowkeycode
    @lowkeycode Před měsícem +3

    When worlds collide

  • @mojojojo6525
    @mojojojo6525 Před měsícem

    Great video although a hard watch some of the time

  • @Bielocke
    @Bielocke Před 7 dny

    The personal questions made me uncompfrotable AF

  • @douggale5962
    @douggale5962 Před 13 dny

    Copilot is utterly incompetent. It causes massive disgusting code duplication. Pretend chatgpt is a applying for a developer job, and give it some of the problems you would give a human. You will immediately realize that LLMs are utterly incompetent.

  • @peter8261
    @peter8261 Před měsícem

    And it's also important to note that we simply have different forms of AI. We have LLM AI, but then we also have data science AI systems like with Palantir. It really complicates the discussion because a lot of AI that PLTR and NVDA are working on are similar, but in many cases different, to the AI being worked on by LLM companies.

  • @smilebot484
    @smilebot484 Před 3 dny

    i think we do pretty much know that the current version of ai is flawed at the foundations. it's not intelligence at all. so this will hit a wall pretty fast.

  • @thewaymj3484
    @thewaymj3484 Před měsícem +2

    I’m in school for coding at the beginning I wasn’t using chatgpt/ai, but tbh it’s quite hard not to use the resource they provided. Ik i shoulfnt be using it but Ngl I became reliant on it it seems now. Before I was having dreams about coding now I haven’t had a dream ever since. But my goal ultimately wasn’t to get a coding job after I graduate which is soon I want to elevate/ innovate their business. Do I feel like I myself(yes) do I feel like I should go back n study more (yes). I really want to get into game development too. Enough of me talking

    • @thewaymj3484
      @thewaymj3484 Před měsícem

      Do I think ai will replace developers? not at the current moment but like nvidia said sooner or later everyone will be developers

    • @thewaymj3484
      @thewaymj3484 Před měsícem

      Regardless tho In order to use ai to help you code you need to know the foundation of it/structure

  • @nareshmudiraj9496
    @nareshmudiraj9496 Před měsícem +2

  • @aj-uo3uh
    @aj-uo3uh Před měsícem

    Who you look up to. Magnum.

  • @TheBadFred
    @TheBadFred Před 18 dny

    My dad is alive, but a workaholic. I hardly ever see him.

  • @johnmayfield7662
    @johnmayfield7662 Před měsícem +10

    As a person studying in a shitty uni in the middle east i can tell you that AI has fucked the job market up regardless of how dumb/smart it is

    • @qwerty6789x
      @qwerty6789x Před měsícem +11

      no its not its the economy. Job market is tight if you know what it means. companies are not hiring

    • @abhis9353
      @abhis9353 Před měsícem +4

      Its greed. The economy part os done

    • @eye776
      @eye776 Před měsícem +5

      The 7% interest rates and the tax changes have hit the US job market harder than AI ever could.

    • @micoberss5579
      @micoberss5579 Před měsícem +6

      It's economy. It's the same here in Europe .

    • @sercan272727
      @sercan272727 Před měsícem +5

      Nobody lost jobs to AI yet, especially in software field I can tell you coding with AI assistance doesn't work. All generative AI does is improving research speed. The actual AI itself existed for over a decade

  • @ConernicusRex
    @ConernicusRex Před 18 dny +3

    For you juniors about to come here angry about this?
    Every time you use copilot, we can tell. We also have to take the time to refactor your code ourselves.
    Both of these things make us want to let you go from the team at the first possible juncture.
    Stop using copilot and learn to actually code.

    • @MyWatermelonz
      @MyWatermelonz Před 15 dny +1

      You can do both. Especially as the tool gets better and starts refactoring you.

    • @opeafolabi
      @opeafolabi Před 9 dny

      it's not that deep

  • @warmratio2161
    @warmratio2161 Před měsícem +1

    ….yet

    • @iorekby
      @iorekby Před měsícem +2

      Or for the foreseeable. These Gen AIs are pretty useless for non trivial problems. And professional programming is 90% non trivial problems that are fairly unique.
      Too many advances needed before Gen AI is ½ as useful at solving programming problems as the general public and CEOs seem to think it is.

    • @warmratio2161
      @warmratio2161 Před měsícem +1

      @@iorekby I agree with foreseeable, we can only see what AI can do with current gen. I’m not saying it will or won’t. What I’m saying is it hasn’t happened..yet. Thinking your crystal ball is accurate with future advancements is foolish.

  • @em_el_007
    @em_el_007 Před měsícem

    Bro i reject the notion it takes time to mend a craft

  • @davidalex684
    @davidalex684 Před měsícem +1

    Also AI can duplicate itself so there may not be any need for people to become good at making robotics machines.plus over the years ive about AI taking over the world through many movies and video games like badland.So what you all think about this. Remain blessed Developers and programmers and Free code camp.

  • @_Mamimi
    @_Mamimi Před 12 dny

    AI is pretty dumb lol and it can’t really do anything unless given very specific prompts with starter code. It needs a human to hold its hand and you have to triple check what it gives you, cuz it’s often wrong. I use it as a tool to save time on repetitive things but that’s about it.

  • @TheNora_
    @TheNora_ Před 23 dny

    Hmm I notice a belief that things must be hard if they are to be worth something… i personally don’t endorse it…

  • @plapbandit
    @plapbandit Před měsícem

    BRAZILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

  • @acoward2176
    @acoward2176 Před měsícem

    AI will not take everyone's job.. but AI will help companies reduce the labour force. Just like computer helped us reduce a lot of redundant and useless profession.. AI will too.. So AI will cause some people to lose jobs..

  • @suometra
    @suometra Před 11 dny

    Wow...

  •  Před 5 dny

    The fact that the interviewer writes everything all the time while Prime talks, is irritating. Also hearing the interviewer's breathing all the video while Prime talks adds to the top of that irritation. Other than that, it was a good conversation.

  • @monkeyDluffy-sd3zp
    @monkeyDluffy-sd3zp Před měsícem

    why primeagen is sad in this podcast??

  • @subzerosumgame
    @subzerosumgame Před měsícem

    when you traffic goes from peak 2.7 mm to 1.6 mm visitor a month ai its overrated indeed. of course is overrated

  • @meltygear5955
    @meltygear5955 Před měsícem

    26:30 Just watch any League of legends player and how relaxed their face is while they're raging over the matchmaking system giving them teammates that aren't good, and opponents who seem to be smurfs 🤣