Which Canon Kit Lens is Right for You? RF 24-105 f4 L vs RF 24-105 f4-7.1 for R5, R6, R, Comparison
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- In this video, I'm comparing my experiences with the two RF 24-105 kit lenses, giving you my thoughts on the quality and usability of the two lenses and my insights and opinions on which lens might be the best fit for you if you are buying one of Canon's R series full frame RF mount mirrorless cameras.
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I've had both lenses doing a comparison for the past few days and can honestly say that when shooting with good light, the non-L version performs equally as well. In fact, the non-L is FAR better at close focusing than the L version. Of course with the f/4 fixed aperture the L version is better in low light situations but the R6 has great high-ISO performance so bumping up the ISO's to use the non-L version is not a problem.
Nice. Wasn’t my experience at all, but glad you’re happy with it!
You are absolutely right this video had me super confused he was so wrong on so many points. SMH
totally agree with you! I just make the investment into a L version 24-70 f2 and still cant justify the $2,500 price! As much as I want to keep it I don't see that huge difference in outdoor perfect sunny conditions......(worth to say Im a hobbyist that does a lot of traveling and only 'mainly' shoots at beautiful landscapes)
Word! Totally agree.
One thing a lot of people don't seem to understand about the F4-7.1, is that it has very good close focus. The L does not. So if you're looking for a versatile lens that can provide you with the quality that is on par with the L , and significantly less expensive, I would check out the lower price STM. The other thing is if you are using photoshop, the profile that you can apply in post, will compensate for some of this lenses misgivings.
These lenses have been found online, Pre owned in superb condition for just over two hundred dollars. I Own one, I use it almost every day,and it works fine for me.
Got the RP with the non L 24-105 as kit for 999€. Added the RF 35 f1.8 for low light. Plan to use the 24-105 for travelling when enough light is available and the 35mm f1.8 for low light/macro. Thanks for your video. Greets from Vienna/Austria.
Ya, that’s a great price for a great camera and lens kit.
Viele Grüße aus Texas
Excellent comparison. Never thought I’d say this, but I wish I would’ve got the non-L version. The L version is WAY too big for someone like me who prioritizes travel and vlogging.
You’ve got my subscription. I was looking for this comparison for long time. Thanks buddy 👍
@@JustinMyersPhoto I already bought non-L 24-105.
Now I am considering to buy wide 15-35mm L series. That’s why I wanted to compare to L lenses with non-L lenses
The only difference that you absolutely can’t control is aperture and image quality at corner, but when the last time you really zoom into corner and check image quality anyways. Most of the time when we look at pictures, they look right at center that is where our eyes draw into. The rest of differences are so insignificant
@@JustinMyersPhoto I just ordered the cheaper one for 280. I was comparing these two lenses for a week. I wanted to have landscape/traveling all day long kind of lens since I was so tired to switching prime lens back and forth. I have 35mm F1.8 but it isn’t quite wide enough for landscape.
@@JustinMyersPhoto with RP. all budget gears lol
Dude I literally have the same lens and camera as you. Rf 35 mm 1.8, 24-105 is stm with canon rp. They are more than enough for me. 😀
Thank you for your review. I actually didn't had the budget to buy neither of the kit so I bought the RP body with the EF 50mm F1.8 and then some month after the RF 35mm F1.8 exactly how you advised it. Everything was second hand in almost new conditions, I end up spending 900€ for the body, 100 for the 50mm and 390 for the 35mm.
Now that I have the minimal setup I don't even need the zoom that much.
I think you are completely wrong on the optical quality. The optical quality of the RF 24-105 is surprisingly good when compared to the RF 24-105 L and constitutes amazing value for money, if you can live with the aperture. Both of these have very soft corners/distortion below 50mm and are completely outperformed by the old EF 24-70 f/2.8 L
Thanks for this video, you deserve way more subscribers than you have. Keep pushing bro 👊
Thanks for the support, I appreciate it!
So, are you looking into these lenses or shooting with either of them?
@@JustinMyersPhoto I plan on getting an R6 and was wondering if the non L was good enough to pass on the L and get some primes with the money saved. I saw another video about the 35mm 1.8 macro and it’s probably what I’ll go with while I save up for the L version.
@@nghbrhood6848 I would definitely suggest skipping the non-L kit lens and getting the 35mm if you can make that focal length work for you. The 35mm is an awesome lens.
What type of photo and/or video do you typically shoot?
@@JustinMyersPhoto portrait, street, and hoping to start macro. Also want a versatile video lens.
@@nghbrhood6848 I would say the 35mm is probably perfect for street, great for environmental portraits, but won’t give you the super compressed background of an 85mm, and a cool option to start experimenting with macro. I find it to be a super versatile video lens and use it more often than not when filming handheld. I have a review video of 35mm as well if you’re interested
Great job, Justin. Great comparison!
Love your glasses. The pink on the glass looks so dope! I just purchased the R6 with the L lens. Cannot WAIT to get it! Thanks for this video.
Thank you! And that’s exciting! Hope to hear how you like it when it arrives!
What if you just get this L lens but the EF version and buy the Adapter EF to RF
I've purchased both. Both are fantastic. I love the L series glass personally, however I would absolutely take the standard glass if I am looking to save weight when I travel. Also if price is an issue for you, just get the standard glass. You won't tell the different unless you are pixel peeping and can still take phenominal images. Also, just get something like Luminar Neo. Any issues you may have with your images such as exposure due to the higher apatures, or not enough shallow depth of field can be fixed in 10 seconds.
I bought the L so i could have a constant aperture, weather sealed lens. I prefer the cheaper RF glass for the weight and price. Is the non L parfocal, as well and as good for video? I was pleasantly surprised at how amazing the L version is with video.
New SUB. Thank you Bro!
Got RP with non L lens, preety good for portartit, bit slower in low light but overall happy with the performance
I’m glad you’re happy with it, that’s all that matters!
It's in my cart from bb. Wondering if I should or shouldn't. I take pics for vacations w family and want to take some pictures for my son's portraits outside. Wdyt?
@@bigbluerios it’s all relative. If your coming from something like a Rebel series or APS-C camera with the kit lens, you’ll probably like it. If you are using L series lenses, it will be a noticeable drop in optical quality, but it’s not unusable. And if it’s not more than a couple hundred dollars more than the camera alone, it’s not a bad deal
I have a Canon R8. Which of these 2 lenses should I buy? I do travel, family, and landscape photos.
Thank you for the knowledgable review. It helped me make the decision to get the RF 24-105 f4 L.
@@JustinMyersPhoto I just bought the lens with a Canon EOS R5 tonight and I pick everything up tomorrow.
@@JustinMyersPhoto Well, this will be the first camera I've ever owned. Oddly enough, my degree is in Film but I never used a camera in college - the degree focused more on screenwriting. My love is actually painting but I work in construction and have always used my iPhone to take photos of the cool stuff I see on job sites. I happen to be friends with a ton of artists and a handful of photographers on FB, and last year I posted some of the pics I had taken and the response was really amazing. Even people I didn't know were telling me to show my pics. I wanted to get a real camera because I want to try my hand at landscape photography and I also want to be able to take photos as painting reference. My iPhone has been great but it has limits and I was only able to do so much with it. I ended up with this camera because I have a brother who is a professional photographer and he said that this Canon was excellent and would last me for years.
@@JustinMyersPhoto I was wary because of the price but my brother had some convincing arguments. I certainly won't outgrow it. I'm also registered for some digital photo classes here in LA so that will help a lot. Thank again for your review.
@@kristinf4900 hi
@@kristinf4900Well. You got some bad advice. The L lens is actually cheaper. As a starting photographer the Non L lens would suit and helpnyou for the first fee years. After that eriod you will actually have found your photographic hobby, style, areas, focus and practices. And then you could have made a better informed decision. Upgrading to the L lens if needed or spending your money on another one.
What's the point of the example pictures when they aren't even of the same subject?
literally just got the 24-105 4-7.1! thanks for the review man!
I just ordered the R6 with the kit lens yesterday and I'm already regretting it! No faulting the review though.
@@JustinMyersPhoto the RF 24-105 (non L lol).
To be fair, my justification, although I'm not entirely convinced myself, is that I wanted an RF lens from the day I get my hands on the R6. I think It'll take a while to claim and receive the free EF mount converter so I wasn't prepared to wait weeks without being able to use the new camera. I already have the EF 24-105 L plus a couple of other L lenses that I bought for my now 9 year old 6D.
@@JustinMyersPhoto I absolutely agree with your sentiments. As you said in your piece, you get what you pay for and generally I would also say invest in the best lens you can.
I may yet return the kit lens if it really isn't up to a reasonable standard, especially at 7.1!
@@pmadhvani70 The RF 24-105mm as per tested on ePHOTOzine looks fine to me. I got the camera and lens for $999 with NO tax from Samy's Camera. Should be just fine. Maybe add a prime later on, should I fall in love with full frame. I presently shoot MFT and APSC, Olympus, Panasonic and Nikon. Liked the deal with nothing much to lose, and most of the reviews I have seen have been favorable of the lens. I don't expect a $399 lens to be a $1,000 or $2000 quality lens -- but if the test numbers look good, I am in. Can add a prime latter.
@@lorenschwiderski So far I haven't really tested the none L lens as im still waiting for my 'free' adapter to arrive. Once I have that I can compare results with my 24 - 105 EF L lens. But then subject separation towards the maximum range in the none L version is always going to be a challenge I.e. F7.1 compared to F4.
I believe the constant aperture on the L lens plus image quality makes it worth the extra $$
I definitely agree. Are you looking at or using either of these lenses?
@@JustinMyersPhoto I ordered the L lens. It’s a refurbished lens from Canon. I have had good luck with these refurbs - they are like buying a brand new lens with warranty
@@shanec4441 that’s awesome, Canon’s refurbished is a great way to buy gear
Which camera are you going to be pairing it with?
Hai everyone Which lens best for Wedding Photography
As always, thank you! Still planning on getting the RP with the 35mm and was debating getting the kit non “L” version just for fun to play around with.
Thanks for this review! Have been trying to find a video comparing them since I am switching to mirrorless soon (hopefully Amazon Prime Day or Black Friday sales come through) and this was perfectly timed. Thanks
@@JustinMyersPhoto I am a hobbyist who is just starting to do sessions with people so I just want to go full frame as I have been using rebel t3i for a couple years now. I am thinking the RP for this reason as I've done quite a bit of research and think this will be next best step for me! That being said, have tossed around switching to sony but we will see!
@@JustinMyersPhoto I will probably go with the RP as that's what I have done the extensive research on. I actually watched both of your videos which helped me a lot to make up my mind. So thanks! I am debating getting one of the lens you mentioned in this video or just getting adapter and the 35mm! I haven't honestly done a lot of research on Sony because I have just always had a canon since I was really young but I have watched a lot of comparison videos but haven't really committed to actually seriously considering switching to sony lol. What do you recommend?
@@JustinMyersPhoto that's good to know! I'm pretty sold on the RP so hopefully a sale will come up and will either get a zoom or the 35mm I think with it. Thanks for the suggestions
@@JustinMyersPhoto That is good to know! Live in Canada where RP sells for $1600 new but just found used one with extra battery, lens adapter and 4 lenses for $2000 so jumped on that! Thanks for your help
I'm planning to buy the R6 but it is the first camera for me
So I prefer to take the kit lens and try it and later maybe choose another one if I have the budget 😅
Ya, I understand. The thing is: cameras can only record quality as good as the lens projects on the sensor, that’s why I don’t suggest that STM lens.
But in any case, the R6 is a very good camera and I hope you will enjoy it as your first camera!
What kind of photography and/or video are you wanting to use it for?
@@JustinMyersPhoto mostly I prefer the landscape and I hope to learn more on wildlife also .. thanks a lot for your help
@@abdullahalnaqbi1 very cool! No problem!
Also 24-105 L USM, instead of 24-105 STM
Your video would have been more convincing with side-by-side comparisons. There are other comparisons with side-by-side comparisons that compellingly show little to no real difference in image quality (admittedly under good light conditions) between the two.
SHOW ME COMPARISONS! This video would have been much more convincing had you shown side-by-side comparison images. I've seen other videos which have done just this, and have actually demonstrated that there ISN'T that much difference in image quality (low-light constant f4 aperture performance aside). So a bit disappointing...you haven't really convinced me, sorry
I have the EF version of the L Version and I bought the kit lens for 200 USD on facebook marketplace because it's so lite. With the EF->RF Adaptor the EF Version is kind of chunky.
Nice video. What do you think about RF 24-240mm
My question is the speed is there really a difference or not
Excellent comparison. Thank you!
@@JustinMyersPhoto not decided. Either Canon R6 with the L lens. I have a Sigma 24-105 on my 6D mk ll and use it a lot but it’s heavy! Or leaning towards the Panasonic Lumix S5. Very Conflicted! Wish I didn’t have to pay for video function on any camera! Really like your detailed explanation. Thanks!
I have the R6 and purchased 3 of their 2.8 lenses . Wish I never bought the 24-70 2.8 , and instead bought the 24-70 2.0 and then got the 24-105 L for hiking to keep the weight down .
Live and learn I guess
Ya, that 28-70mm f2 is a killer lens!
Interesting. A lot more on the harsh side considering almost every other review states that there is almost no difference in IQ between the two... you merely pay for the aperture, build quality and weather sealing...
Aperture - no prob with non-L by bumping up ISO. The RP can tolerate ISO 6400 without significant increase in noise.
Build quality - not an issue, it's not some flimsy plastic that could easily break.
Weather sealing - just put the camera into a plastic bag during a rain... lol.
Ken Rockwell says the non L is actually almost the same as the L. I dont think this review is accurate.
Which one will be better for beginner pet photography?
Which one do you think is better?
eos r6 with 24-100 f4-7.1
Vs.
eos r with 24-100 L
For best photography results (landscape, astrophotography, etc). Say they are around same price
@@JustinMyersPhoto thanks! I am thinking landscape and astrophotography.
Right now I believe r6 with the non-L is going for $2800 and r with L lens is going for $2900.
@@Sakuraflower7 the r6 is a far superior camera body so if you are planning to get more lenses in the future get that
Thanks! Been waiting for such a review since the nonL lens was released. Great advice I think I shouldn’t save $$ and just get the L for long term better image quality 👍 just need to heck with the extra weight
@@JustinMyersPhoto I shoot mainly landscape and secondary for this 24-105 would be family/portrait. I also print photos to hang on the wall. Sharp, contrasty and vivid photos are what I like, and have noticed older L lens to have these qualities compare to nonL. Just wasn’t sure with the latest lens like the RF 24-105 STM or even the 24-240. However I do love smaller and lighter gear as I find it doesn’t impede on my photo taking process. What’s your advice?
I'd try the non-L before spending that kind of money. Try it and see if it works for you before you dismiss it.
I'm looking to join the mirrorless canon squad. I'm going to start with the RP and then invest in lenses for a while (HOPING that sigma/tamron comes out with some RF goodies soon) and then upgrade to the R6 or the newest equal at the time once I have a good arsenal.
@@JustinMyersPhoto Thanks! Yeah, I'm hyped about it. I should anything from documentation vlogs to small business announcement to weddings video-wise. And Photo, I'll do what I enjoy, so portraits, street & landscapes, as well as what pays, so families, couples & weddings (hopefully small businesses soon).
i would go strait whit the r6 + adapter because i ave a bunch of EF-EF S glas in the bag already
tanks u foor the info
Hope it helps!
I'm sooooooo confused😖
In summation, the non-L is a piece of junk for those who don't give a hoot about image quality? Hmmm... I have had both non-L and L lenses for decades and many of the newer lenses are pretty decent if you have the skills and eye to work with. This non-L in the right hands is pretty decent and of course the L lens is going to produce great images even for those who don't know a lot about photography.
Of course, you can make good images with less quality lenses if you know how to use them. That does not change the fact that the same image with a higher quality lens will yield optically better results.
There isn’t a company that rents cameras anywhere near me in Ontario. Henrys used to but no longer.
The weather sealing is what really pushes the L over the top. Especially here in the pnw. Plus is looks way more pro hahaha
Haha it does that! I was just in the PNW a couple months ago for the first time. Love it, trying to make my way out there permanently!
I have 50mm STM and 24-104mm STM. Honestly, for the price and size of the L lens, I would choose the 24-240mm instead for better zoom range.
Ya, it all depends on your needs. The 24-240mm has easily the worst image quality of any the RF lenses, but if that’s not an issue and price and zoom range are priorities, then yes, that’s exactly what the 24-240mm is made for!
What kind of photo and/or video do you typically shoot?
@@JustinMyersPhoto I am into general photography. Anything that comes in my way from landscape, close-up of flowers & insects, cityscape, even astrophotography as well.
@@ly8370 nice. So, that makes sense too. If you’re just taking photos for yourself to enjoy and want to walk around with a very versatile zoom lens that doesn’t weigh a ton, the 24-240mm and the 24-105mm STM are made for that.
Which camera body are you shooting with at the moment?
@@JustinMyersPhoto I have a Canon RP.
@@ly8370 awesome, that’s a great camera and perfect for a compact but powerful full frame setup!
i don't think it is necessary to drag this heavy L Lens to all locations.
If you don't shoot epic Portraits and being out instead in the most cases light is good enough. Nice feature is then to avoid raw and take camera correction which brings perfect results with jpg. I find small focus depth isn't a modern fresh kind of taking pics but enoying instead to compose with interesting background.
Ya, it’s all about finding what works best for you and your style!
Quite possibly the worst comparison video I have ever seen in my life. There is no actual side by side comparison and the overwhelming argument is that L is always better.
Justin Myers Dont worry bout these neg comments, i really got a lot out of this review and will go for the L lens, thanks a lot!
This video was excellent. If you actually listened you wouldnt need side by sides to understand which lens was better for you and why.
@@AverageJoe84 Keep sippin' that Kool-Aid and doing as you're told.
So I wanted to upgrade to a fullframe camera, but I'm having a doubt. The canon RP + 24-105 f/4 L or canon R6 + 24-105 f/4-7. I know glass is the biggest priority, but the R6 really does have some major advantages over the RP: better autofocus, better battery life, better dynamic range, better ISO performance and ALOT more FPS when making photo's. Those advantages are also a big factor for me making a decision. What would you recommend? :)
Edit: I also found out that the R6 combined with the 24-105 f/4-7, the lens and body are able to make use of the 8 stops stabilization!!
I responded to your question on another video, I have a couple questions for you over there
canon rf 24-105mm f/4.0-7.1 is stm vignetting has anyone encountered that problem? on eos R
What is that thud noise in the back. Sorry, I had to switch from the video because is that background music.
Hadn’t thought of doing that and not sure there is a company in Ontario that rents now. Henrys used to but no longer.
Check out Vistek, the main store is in downtown Toronto.
@@glenntanaka3601 thank you, I will do that.
I’m honestly just thinking about getting the f/4 RF Trinity for my R6. What says you?
They’re all great lenses. If you don’t find yourself shooting below f/4 that much anyway, it’s a great way to save money and weight!
@@JustinMyersPhoto I agree. I just love my Sigmas so damn much. They're hefty and I've gotta deal with adapters but man: I'd put them next to ANY first party manufacturer. All in all, I might just end up with the Sigma trinity, lol
@@FranciscoAlvarezTV my Sigma EF 24-70 f2.8 Art continues to be my main lens, so I know what you mean. There are definitely advantages to some the RF glass, but haven’t been enough disadvantages with the Sigma glass to cause me to switch that one just yet
Is the RF lens good with the R7 body?
Both of these lenses are RF mount lenses and would fit the R7, but this focal length wouldn't be as useful on the R7 because of the APS-C sensor. You wouldn't be able to get a very wide field of view at the wide end. Of course, whether or not you need that really depends on what you shoot and want to shoot
Would the introduction of studio lighting change your opinion? In a studio environment would the image quality of the “L” @ f/8 and 105mm be worlds apart from the non”L” @ f/8 and 105mm, or just a bit better?
Thank you for the super fast reply. I figured trying to be frugal would mean compromising on image quality. I can still save a little by finding a used EF “L” version. As a new subscriber, I’ll be looking forward to more content.
Thanks.
Great review! I’m stuck! A few people are selling this lens for $225. I have the L version but on an EF setup with the canon R. I want this lens on my older RP and hope to do some video recordings with it. What do you think? Is it worth it?
Based on the price, I assume you’re asking about the RF 24-105mm STM (non-L) lens.
Personally, I do not enjoy the RF 24-105mm STM, but it really depends on what you want from it.
If you just want something small and versatile and plan to shoot with a lot of light (i.e. outdoors in daylight) and aren’t expecting absolute professional image quality, it will do fine.
A lot of Macro and flowers. Keen follower of Don Komarechka and proof reading his book Macro Photography - The Universe at our Feet. I don’t shoot video.
Canon RF 24-70 F4 would be great for 899$
Why not pay more and get RF 24-105 F4?
@@JustinMyersPhoto I heard it's good for travel but do you think F4 would be enough light for indoor shooting like cafe?
What a BAD review. A lot of talking and no proof.
There is another review proving (with the pixel peeping proof) and it actually shows the non L lens outperforming the L lens for sharpness.
You do not provide an objective test. The lenses simply differ offering differences in weight (important for mobilility, wearability and use), in F range and in USM or STM.system. That s all. Wheater proof only relevant if you also have a wheater proof body.
Canon has NEVER offered bad plastics on their cheaper model and A LOT of STM lenses would rather outperform their USM counterarts. Both systems are lightning fast, accurate, and mostly silent.
The only true reason for the L lens is low light conditions, stability in lower F values and extreme bokeh shots. But for low light F4 usually is not enough. Stability of F value can on the STM lens also be achieved stopping down to 7.1 on the entire range. For video and tele shots thats a logical F value. Most people need F8 or F11, available on both.
Center sharpness very comparable. Colour rendering isentical. Corner sharpness better on the STM: less complex lens to build.
Please truly test the lenses and provide the comparison image proof before you post a vid ...
you really need to lean what you are talikg about i own boath of them ad pair brilliant on full frame just nonsense!!
I’m glad that you enjoy them. There is a very clear difference in optical performance between the two, but it’s all about using what works for you!
What type of type of photography do you typically shoot?
Lol. Yikes. You need to learn grammar and how to spell. Credibility in your comment vanished within your first 3 words typed
The non-L is only good enough to post pictures on social media? Go away.
Sure! Where should I go?
Should I go for a RF 24-105 f4 L or go with 3 primes, 35mm 50mm 85mm
It depends on what and how you shoot? What type of photography and/or video do you typically shoot?