THIS is the Real Reason Teachers Are Leaving!
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Can we add parent behavior to this?
lol
accurate
That is one of the main roots for the child's behavior!
and teacher behavior. they keep getting caught in 4k, defiling the innocent
Parent behavior was a huge reason why I resigned after 9 years
Student behavior is why I left teaching. I was an elementary school art teacher and this past year I had stools thrown at me by a kindergartner and then asked "what did you do to cause this student behavior?" I feel like the worst behaved students have the most control, meanwhile the kids that behave are being constantly traumatized by violent peers that continue to be a problem because there are no consequences and they are rarely removed from the class. I was a teacher for 15 years right out of college. The more I'm away from it the more PTSD and trauma I realize I was carrying from years of abusive and violent behavior, gas lighting from admin and parents, and trying to stay positive and grin through it all.
Totally!!! The worst students are given a pass and I think this because our administration is afraid of the parents! And I’d wager those parents are afraid of those kids.
So glad you got out!
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WTF!? Stools are for the nasty teachers not ART TEACHERS!?! 😐Kids be trippin'. Art was the class we would all skip to and love. Kids don't appreciate anything! I am so sorry that had happened to you. 😥😔
@@LadyCoyKoi “Nasty Teachers”? Ummm… to a student with poor behavior all teachers are nasty, unless they cater to them and put other people down on their behalf.
As a high school student, it baffles me how some of my classmates act in my classes. You would think we would all act like mature adults by now, but no. Thankfully, my parents raised me to respect others, but it is terrible watching how some of them speak to the teachers.
Thank you so much! I wish I had you in my classes.
Hi Caitlin, Could you speak up with a “don’t do that” or some other phrase that might make one of these students stop at least and think what they are doing? Just asking. Be sure to know, your teacher will hear it like many of us do. We are thankful for children who want and need to learn.
We all know which ones are so disrespectful, crawling on the floor (2nd grade) jumping on a chair and feet on our back group table, shouting out. Ignoring myself (para) or teacher when these kids are disruptive. The Dean is in the room on a brief occasion that I see, early morning when kids are tired (being up half the night on tablets etc.) The teacher her is thankful she has any other adult in her classroom like me for early hour, then after lunch. I’m there for one/two spec Ed students. If a reading coach or math coach comes in, better for her. Thanks to everyone who is reading this. God Bless all of you!
@@MagsChase1229 No, Caitlin, do not say anything to these students. You may endanger yourself if you speak up. People who don't teach don't understand how dangerous some of the students are. No one will protect you. I am sorry this is happening to you. The sad truth is that many students feel as you do. Do they talk to their parents? Do their parents listen? Many of these kids destroying the classroom do so because their parents hate teachers or think teachers should cater to kids. If parents start to demand that our schools once again are places for education and where kids are safe, we will see a change. But students like yourself have to be very careful.
That is why i agree with being placed in Behavior Schools. UK has boarding schools
@@MagsChase1229unless it is one singular student who everyone agrees is out of line, the vast majority of high school students would never risk their social life like that. many of us would like to, but it's simply not worth it to lose our social standing forever to make one teachers day a little bit better. it's the unfortunate truth. assuming you're a teacher, i can almost guarantee you that the non problem students would speak out on your behalf if not for this reason, if that's any comfort.
My ex boyfriend left teaching high school history a few months ago because of this. He said the kids would be out of control, get bad grades because they didn’t do their homework or just didn’t bother coming to class and then the parents would call and yell at him. He said the parents took the kids’ side and didn’t care.
Not to mention administration that makes teachers change the grades so all kids "pass." Or, when my elementary school-aged child was given 50% credit for work he simply refused to do. They did not care that I told them he deserved a zero and to NOT do that. They were NOT helping me as a parent!!! All that does is reinforce to children that there are no consequences and they get credit for stuff they don't do. THAT is not real life. Here I was not spoiling my child, while the school and society does it instead. There is no winning against that kind of influence. (Do not ask about the other parent ... dissertation alert. ... or Disney Dad syndrome, that's succinct.)
Exactly what I am going through
His description is completely accurate in the simplest terms.
100% Facts!
That’s because of societal breakdown. We no longer live in a functioning society so immature parents take the side of their immature kids and everyone is on their own. There’s no trust in other parts of the community now.
PREACH!!!! This is the number 1 issue that I have with teaching. All of the other stuff is a lot, yes, but the unruly, disrespectful behaviour is 10000% the worst part of the job. You literally cannot even teach when students are being disrespectful and crazy. Like who wants to wake up every single day and have other people give you complete attitude, yell at you, literally run away from you, all while you're supposed to sit there and be a professional and just take it with a calm smile on your face. It's fucking hard, exhausting, & disrespectful. Society already has enough mental issues going on, and it doesn't need to be added by other humans, regardless if they are children or not.
The problems we see in society at large are the result of schools allowing the behavior you describe. Of course, these problems begin in the home. But schools fail the kids who would benefit from high expectations in academics and behavior because they let the problems run the room. It is easier for administrators. Why are our large cities dirty, unsafe? Answer: Schools empty their garbage out onto the streets.
Cops have it bad, even worse than this. Both jobs are hard
I’m on the custodial staff for after school. I agree with you 💯!! I see teachers quitting everyday! The behaviors are out of control!! In fact I’m quitting tomorrow!!!😢
It isnt the children or their behavior. It is not the parents.
It is the leadership and government, 100%.
Oversized classrooms are not the children or parent's fault. Understaffed schools are not the children or parent's fault. Incompetent principals are not the children or parent's fault. Untrained, burnt out, or abusive teachers are not the children or parent's fault.
Blame your government and the careless incompetents who accept high positions in public education.
@@nowayjosedaniel Gen alpha has an issue where they are incapable of doing anything without an iPhone in one hand and a tablet in another. That behavior was perpetuated by parents who have more important things to do especially during early childhood development. So I do agree that having a child in a cramped environment for 8 hours a day is a disservice to the child, at the end of the day they go home to parents who do not acknowledge their existence or teach them the skills to grow into well adjusted members of society.
@@nowayjosedanieli hate it when people don't hold children or parents accountable because thats just what you are doing.... Yeah we can have a pretty screwed up government but that is no excuse for disrespectful kids and clueless parents....
@cartergabriel5949 so you're saying if the class sizes were smaller, kindergarteners wouldn't throw a stool at a teacher? No.
No. One has nothing to do with the other. Child carries pent up anger that s/he is not taught to manage. And maybe that anger comes from abuse or neglect at home, which is not the kids fault, and would then motivate the parents MORE to blame and gaslight the school that it's the teachers' fault so no one finds out what really goes on at home. I grew up in an abusive home - trust me, I know.
But even though there is a lot wrong with our government, NONE of these things have literally anything to do with government. They are family problems.
That's why my mom left.
" I'm a teacher. I'm not a paid slave, I'm not a cop to wrestling these kids, I'm not admin who can punish them, I'm not the kid's punching bag, and I am DEFINANTLY not getting paid enough to be treated like absolute SHIT by a principal who only cares for herself or parents who spoil. I'M GONE!! Find yourself a robot , which will constantly need repair, or look at your fecking education system in this school"
Classroom management and student behavioral issues have been the number one reason teachers leave the profession since the 1960s. That’s six decades and it’s STILL the main problem! Difference is now reasons 2, 3, 4, etc., are even bigger, more overwhelming problems than in the past and more quickly bring teachers to the realization they don’t want to stay and be treated this way. It’s a real crisis that’s being ignored as it has been for decades.
I agree. 1987-2019 here. 5 states, 12 schools, travel teacher. My assessments agrees with you. Too many new quick fixes each year in each state. I do not want to sound hopeless or discouraging.
Lets go back to the simplest form of learning and teaching. We are in the first mid-term of the Technology Generation and entering the Second Dark Ages.
We are losing our basic skills quickly. (Only a few are thriving.) When our generation is gone, only a few will survive.
Can we just say it? We are all thinking it. American parents SUCK.
Excuses because teachers could go on strike. What about the teachers sexually molesting kids. abuse etc. don't blame all this on parents and kids its bigger issues!
@@christinev.7100Hmmm, what happens more often...teachers who molest or bad behaviour from students? Sure, there are bad teachers, as there are bad people in any profession but lack of consequences has taught children they can do anything they want.
Exactly. It's always been the same with the kids. They are not the problem. Anyone blaming children is an idiot. Theyre children.
Social media and Parents havent changed things. Kids are the same.
The administration and government have gotten worse and the elites want public school to fail.
I gave up on teaching due to student behavior and admin mismanagement. I was working at a preschool center while finishing up college. At first I was really happy since I was able to have my own classroom right away because one of my degrees was already completed. Then they began to have me cover for an after care group. Ratio was supposed to be 20-1 with an age range of 5-8 years old. At one point I was given a 21st student which would have put me out of ratio but she had behavioral needs and a steady aid who was supposed to accompany her at all times so I thought all was well. The student came in on her first day and I realized we had a problem. This girl was 14 years old and had no aid in sight. I was told to make it work even though I was now out of ratio. I was too inexperienced to put my foot down so this repeated itself for weeks. I'm fairly petite and one day she grabbed me and threw me over her shoulder. I landed on my neck. ER and miles of paperwork later I returned to my job. Student is still there in the same situation and they asked me to take over again after lecturing me for not recognizing her signals that she was becoming overly stressed. I told them over my dead body and gave my notice stating I would stay for two weeks but only in my classroom. I would not fill. Before I left she threw a five year old student across the room during after care. This finally prompted a change but for me I was done. I got out, finished school and can thankfully support myself through online tutoring.
Funny it was OK that you got hurt but when the girl hurt another student things changed…
Sorry that happened to you, what going with that student!? Sounds like an unsafe environment for teachers and students. I can only imagine what co workers will face in near the future with all these behavior issues facing our society. Scary..🤔😬
Why don't you simply command some respect ?
@@SH_HofYou are an idiot. Respect isnt commanded. Ever. And if you try to command the respect of students, you will be the first one driven out lmfao.
@@SH_Hofare you slow? They wouldn’t even listen the first time when the problem was just the kid not having her aide around. The school doesn’t care and the parents will just return blame to the teacher
Yup. In our attempt to bubble wrap these children, we’ve forgotten the importance of discipline, boundaries, expectations, and tough love.
Student behavior is a problem because parent behavior is a problem. Folks have lost their damn minds.
That is why we need to bring back Parental Licenses from the 1920s. Eugenics had its flaws, but it was right on one thing, "Not everyone is fit to have kids."
@@LadyCoyKoi That is a slippery slope!
Boundaries??? People think that they have only rights...My teaching carrier led me to a misanthropic view of humanity. And this is sad.
@@LadyCoyKoiabsolutely
@@LadyCoyKoi you really mentioned eugenics 🥴🖕🏿
Got an interview Thursday; wish me luck, taking a half day…..ready to get out of the classroom
Hope you got the job
May I ask what job you interviewed for? Just wondering because I'm trying to leave the classroom as well.
@@user-sw6ks4hf7n I retired 6/30/2022. Thoughts on alternative employment…
1. Banking 2. Insurance 3. Auto sales management 4. Car rental companies
5. Private tutoring
@@user-sw6ks4hf7nYes. I too want to know. I see post after post, and reading experiences of teachers leaving. But what profession are they switching to? 😮
@@haroldconner2645 thanks for responding
You could not pay me enough to be a teacher. There are some rude, disrespectful, brats in this world, and it seems like every generation just gets worse. I have the upmost respect for teachers.
Thank you.
Exactly
I'm a teacher from another corner in this world it would seem a universal problem
What the heck woman😢 this is so sad
@@EldorIxtiyorov what the heck? It IS sad, but true. You can love and care for children, and tell the truth about them, as well.
yes! Absolute lack of consequences. I didn’t let students into my classroom cause they showed up 10 mins after the bell with no pass. So then the AP comes and says I cant keep them out. Cut to these kids in the back of thw room on their phones not learning. Absolute lack of support from
Admin and student behavior is exhausting. Cause now I gotta make the parent calls even tho the parents already know how their kids are
omg i thought those problems are only in Algeria
A big problem is many parents don't value education. They want THE SCHOOL to raise their kid. And they're not disciplining or teaching their child how to be a respectful and honorable human being.
In addition, the majority of parents won't help their child at home when the kid desperately needs extra help. I've asked many parents to please just spend a few minutes after school to practice reading with their child. . . the most common reply: "That's YOUR job." Sad. Because not all kids "get it" right away. And in a classroom where chairs and laptops are flying overhead----KIDS THAT CAN LEARN, AREN'T LEARNING because of the insane environment.
I am one of those who is tired of student behavior. I have one who pushed me down in the cafeteria. I fell and hit my head and tailbone. No major injuries but nothing happened to the kid. This kid has hit me, thrown things at me, and threatened to stab my para. Nothing is done about these kids.
Wow these new age parents are not rearing children, it’s not the responsibility of the school system to discipline a child that’s starts at home 😢
If those higher up than you wont solve this problem, then leave. Simple as.
You even admit it isnt the kids behavior that is the problem. It is the leadership's refusal to solve the problems that occur.
Dont work for incompetent bosses. Simple as.
My mom retired in 18/19, her principal (who had been a teacher only 14 years prior) said in a meeting “consequences don’t work”. I homeschool my children and I promise you they work! Consequences are what keep things working without all of his killing each other as many people have no sense of morality, they need the consequences.
For a high percentage of kids, consequences do work. You are absolutely right. Many kids and society are seeing the results of school administrators making asinine statements like consequences don't work. We have failed to teach children the realities of life, and we are paying a high price.
I was a substitute teacher and this is a major reason why I left. No one should be subjected to this kind of abuse!
Student here. Completely understand you! I'm SO SICK of it too. Any time I have a sub most people treat it like a free for all. Usually, by the end of the period, someone has been injured, someone is crying, and multiple people have headaches. Meanwhile, the kids who started it all are screaming or laughing because they never get in trouble. I wish I could quit school!
So TRUE! No consequences at all! Admin does not call the parents, they don't get suspended. We get hit, spit on, and cussed at, it's ridiculous.
Hand clap to this post, so true.
So you admit it is not at all the children's fault. It's 100% the leadership. Sounds correct.
@cartergabriel5949 did you miss the getting hit, spit on, and cussed at part? That should never be normal student behavior. Parents and admin want us to accept it because kids today have "trauma." Well, don't we all, and some of teachers' trauma are nasty children, crazy parents, and feckless leadership.
I remember back when if a student did something wrong they could get detention and be required to stay either after school or go to Saturday school and clean the school. It worked. These days it doesn't happen and when you call home the parent never thinks their child did anything wrong. I remember one time telling a parent that their child was in eleventh grade and no college or boss would tolerate their behavior. 'They need to get their act together unless you are comfortable supporting them as an adult. It's your decision. He's your child after all.'
If the parent complained, I didn't care at that point. I was speaking out of concern and if I lost my job so be it. Oddly enough the parent became pretty quiet and I didn't have another problem with that student for the rest of the year. Sometimes parents need to realize that if they don't discipline their child, when that child becomes an adult they will be paying for it.
I’m sure that must’ve been a wake-up call. No matter how much they play dumb, they _know_ who their children are and they don’t want to be stuck w/ them a day passed 18.😒
Good point! I will explicitly state that if I need to this year. I’m out of the classroom to decrease my stress level, but as an instructional coach, I’m still in class with the behaviors, just not as intensely as a teacher. I try to support as much as I can but I’m doing several jobs in one right now.
unfortunately, if i spoke to a parent like that, i'd be reamed by my principal (she commonly sits us down and screams at us) and most definitely written up.
I left my previous school after fireworks were thrown into my classroom for a second time and I lost my hearing temporarily with no consequences for the offending students. My head of department found me a position at another school, but I was going to resign regardless of whether I found a new position or not. The principal at the time told me not to factor the fireworks into my decision, because "that happens at all schools, you know that kids are just kids."
I’m not a teacher but as a average person who attended public school I can promise you that is not a normal thing. You actually should have called CNN…
Omg 🥺 I hope your doing better.
I have NEVER had fireworks thrown at me, and I’ve been teaching for 17 years! The gaslighting and lying is real from many administrators, students and parents. That was a hostile work environment and a lawsuit.
Why were fireworks thrown at you? Did the students hate you for some reason? Often when children act out, ot is bc the teacher is garbage or a jerk. Teachers often are bullies to their students too. Others are so boring, they make life awful bc they care so little.
@@nowayjosedaniel what crap. There are shit teachers in the world from a STUDENT'S perspective but there are shit people too. As functioning adults we don't attack or abuse our coworkers we don't like, if we do we get punishment (fines, jail ect). Why should we treat students that act out towards teachers any differently? This is why teachers are in short supply this attitude that responsibility lies on teachers output & not students.
Usually avoid shorts, but this one hits the nail on the head.
Preach! The behavior is out of control lately. I’ve seriously considered leaving education this year no less than 3 times already. I was genuinely searching for other career opportunities online.
Good luck
I've been an educator for almost 8 years and I agree with her! You're not allowed at some schools in some grades to give students consequences. You have to redirect, which does nothing but give the child another opportunity to just do the same thing again. You can't hold a kid accountable for their behavior, but pretty much have to let it slide and I don't think that's okay. All the class management in the world means nothing without consequences in the classroom and at home.
No parent should trust a teacher to discipline the children. At least not in the south, where the teachers are all uneducated moronic conservative nutters. In the south at least, Teachers have always been trash at discipline. The teachers that arent trash? They dont have problems with bad behavior bc the students love them.
Most teachers have always been garbage and often were the kid's biggest bullies. Over 100 years of trash. Although 50 years ago, fathers and mothers would beat the shit out of abusive teachers and theyd stop. Cant do that anymore.
Now teachers cant legally be as awful. That's a good thing. The problem is the leadership fails to solve the problems and the government purposefully makes sure to understaffed amd underfund public schools so they get worse and worse. On purpose.
The problem is with the leadership and government.
Yes! I noticed exactly the same thing! I'm in Australia. All these stories about teachers quitting and no one mentions the elephant in the room: behaviour! There are no consequences at all and parents are bullies.
As a teacher, I feel absolutely guilty when I have to take time off when I’m sick. It should not be this way!! This profession is sometimes soul sucking.
You got that right and parent behavior. We are not in the same State and having the same problems. The generation has changed. I have been hit, bit, cut, etc. Some students try to fight you after behavior correction. Certain students rule the classroom and they mess it up for students that want to learn.
So true! There are teacher being disrespected and even assaulted in schools today and the administrators refuse to allow charges to be filed. I know this because I asked a SRO who left after a teacher was assaulted and he was assaulted and the admin said “nope we will deal with this in house”. No consequences and these kids know it.
OMG Someone finally said it! I’m like, “Am I crazy? It is FOR SURE student behavior for me!”
Yes, we have been gaslit. I knew that the most crucial factor determining the quality of education I could provide was directly related to the behavior standards I set in my room. If I could not control them, I could not possibly educate them. Behavior forces many teachers to play elaborate manipulative games with students. Academic standards and expectations are lowered to accommodate students and parents. I fought it for a long time, and my students scores were exceptional in a school that had low, low scores. How did I do it? High behavioral expectations that ensured high "on task" academic behavior. The administration did not care that my kids succeeded academically. They did care if one parent objected to the standards I set that achieved these results. I was the problem, so I left. They didn't care about the education of kids. They cared about their pay checks. Shame on them!
And the parents spent the whe pandemic combining about how horrible it was actually having to deal with the little monsters they've raised....
Yeah, they soon found out how difficult it is to teach young children. You would think they would more patient with their own child but I guess not. Of course, this isn’t taking into account the fact that they had their own one or two kids to teach but the typical teacher has 22.
and is there anyone else out there who is sick of hearing: "The cause of this behavior was the pandemic. . . . " OH HELL NO. This vile and disgusting behavior has gone on well before the pandemic.
Amen ,sister. That is THE reason people like me left and leave teaching. I am a big, buff guy and did better than most, but these kids need whippings.
Yep 😂
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When you are finished teaching at the end of the day comes the paper work at your computer
You have to put in grades,plan lessons,prepare for the next day, make phone calls,go to faculty meetings after school
The fact that we get blamed for this years buzzword “relationships” when we can’t even get our classes to behave well enough to build them is the reason I left, and I think that we’ll see more and more teachers making for the exit as they realize that nothing will ever be fixed on this front.
Yes, they’re all about you developing a relationship with each and every child in the classroom. What does that mean? I think it’s sufficient to have a rapport with each student on some level. At my previous school I had a teacher rail against because she felt I hadn’t developed all the relationships of all the students in my class…
My issue is they expect u to build this bond and relationship with students but then cram over 30 of them in a classroom. How? It’s too big!
@@SeasonalFrostbite True, how can I work with the 5 ELLs, the 5 IEP kids, the 15 kids that don't want to learn, the 5 kids that want to do well in school, and and attend to the constant interruptions while I have lesson plans, emails and grading I need to work on? It seems that we're handed an infinite number of challenges with no light at the end of the tunnel because the number of students should really change with the complexity involved and it never will.
and when you're so desperate, that you finally resort to going to admin. . . the FIRST THING THEY ASK YOU IS: "Well, have you established a relationship with the student?" As if you haven't tried a million times. (Of course, everything is always the teacher's fault).
@@daphnepapandreou Trying to force "relationships" on kids that don't want them should be illegal. I'm a teacher, and I don't care if you like me, but I do care if you learn something because that's my job.
This is so true! Kids have gotten brazen in their disrespect and there are practically no consequences. And that goes straight back to the parents. That’s why I say if American schools are failing it’s because American parents are failing.
True. But schools could save many of the kids sitting in their classrooms. Administration needs to stop catering to the behavior problems and return strict behavior standards to the classroom. Yes, I said strict. I do not mean kids sitting up like soldiers or being spanked or yelled at or in any way being demeaned. Common sense standards of behavior create an atmosphere conducive to learning. Simple rules:
1. Follow instructions the first time they are given.
2, Raise your hand and wait to be called on.
3. Stay on task.
I strictly (substitute firmly if you are uncomfortable with "strict') enforced these rules in a school designated as "at risk." Impoverished, second language, "minority" kids soared. This is not rocket science, but it does mean educators taking a stand. We need society to understand this and to back it. Nothing will change if our culture does not grasp the importance of teaching kids to behave.
@@nancybartley4610 that was a great comment and I very much agree!!
@@alim.9801 Thanks! It is sad because the answer to our educational issues isn't that complicated. But then again, I forgot humans are involved!!
I left teaching (in the UK) because of student behaviour - so little respect.
Having left teaching I have realised how much all of those other things also affected me and now I'm feeling way better about my life!
Good for you! Life is too short!
Totally agree. If parents backed teachers it would help a lot but I've had the" of course I'll believe my child over a teacher" and the "remember I pay your wages"
Over the course of 40 years I've watched the behaviour of parents and students sink to an all time low. If the parents agree the child's behaviour is poor then it's because they have an " issue" it couldn't at all be down to their parenting!!! I'm out over a year and so glad.
My mom cried on the last day of school. The last day she would teach. Ever. She wanted to teach, but she needed to leave because of the pay, and of the stress. It's sad how low the pay is.
no one knows what good people teachers are. we got into the profession knowing the pay wasn't the greatest---but we wanted to make a difference, watch our students learn and grow, and love spending our work day with kids. unfortunately, the chaotic, violent, disrespectful and UNSAFE school environment is pushing even the best teachers out.
Let’s start with holding them accountable, make them earn that diploma and they will value it
until the POLICIES COMING DOWN FROM THE DEPT OF EDUCATION IN DC CHANGE, nothing will change.
I feel like schools are gradually getting treated more like a business, where teachers are workers who are gauged by their students’ performance in terms of work efficacy and get paid a flat rate for a set number of hours regardless how many they actually work, and where administration treat parents like customers they need to placate. If a student is misbehaving and they get away with just a slap on the wrist, it feels more like “the customer is always right” mantra.
Many don't even get a slap on the hand. I had a principal whose solution for dealing with behavior problems was to put them in front of a television to watch movies. That was in the nineties.
you are so right.
We had a teacher who was jumped 2 years ago by 4 female students. She was in the hospital for weeks. Never saw her again. She was just trying to get them to stop fighting in the hallway. Only 1 of those girls received any consequences. These students were 13.
I myself at 4 months pregnant was confronted/intimidated by 2 male students who wanted to fight someone in my classroom, as I was standing at my doorway, just monitoring the hall. They received in school detention for 1 day. Called me every name under the book, and got right up in my face, like they were going to fight me. Just because I calmly told them they couldn't come into my room and cause violence. They weren't my students, didn't even know their names until other teachers identified them.
Sure some people will read this, and say these poor little lambs...
OMG!!! You are my new favorite social media teacher!!!! YES YES A 1000 times YES!!!! I have dealt with everything from students being ENCOURAGED to file an incident report against ME after they were sent to the Dean’s office for cursing me out or a million other misbehaviors in class, to having kids come back after just a second with the dean with a SNACK and being told “we had a talk, they should be good to go now”, to having students actually physically attack me and then I became the target of an investigation. Like how did my standing at the door, as I’m supposed to, reminding them about their dress code, as supposed to, somehow CAUSE that child to intentionally JUMP onto my FOOT?!!!!! How am I at fault for that??? And there are NEVER appropriate consequences for the students so they LEARN that they can get away with ANYTHING!!!!!!
My mom is a high school librarian and we are counting down the months till she gets to retire. The students have been getting worse, the administration has been leaving teachers to defend themselves and the union can only strike for so long because of Pennsylvania state laws.
The administration and school boards know that they can wait and drag their feet on meeting the table before they are required to go back to work.
The system is fucked.
A law on how long you can strike?.... kinda defeats the purpose. Why have a union? It's not doing anything for you.
@@themacocko6311 they can strike for a while as long as the kids get 180 days for the school year but I agree it is very state dependent. The South has the weakest unions and the worst outcomes.
Student behavior goes hand in hand with keeping them accountable to theor grades. We need to stop pushing kids along and fail them. When kids see that grades don't matter because they can just move on to the next grade with no consequences, then the whole system of education falls flat. Kids earn their way to the next grade level is the only way.
There are fifth graders who cannot do kindergarten math or write a coherent sentence. They will pass them this year to six grade. It is shocking and a disservice to them and the children who work hard to study and focus in class. Teachers are forced to pass them. Admin makes the decision.
It's not even about "earning it." It's literally having enough time to be able to learn and comprehend and demonstrate said comprehension. The amount of curriculum admin somehow thinks can get covered PROPERLY in 9 months is ridiculous.
I agree 100%, but in my district, they stopped holding kids back years ago. I believe only one student out of 400 was for severe truancy. Kids can get a 7% and move to the next grade. I've even had some of them brag about it. They know the policies.
YES, drove me out of teaching after a student threatened to hit me & nothing was done
Yeah i got bullied a ton as a preteen and young teen in middle school. High school wasnt near as bad for me but the bullies were never punished but i sure was when i hit one of the bullies . My parents tried going to the school multiple times to get help from the admins. So my dad gave me a high five and a 50 dollar bill in front of the principal.
Agreed. My dad taught 30 years before retiring. I had hoped I could do the same. I’m on year 13 and it just gets harder and harder. Kids are becoming more aggressive, disrespectful, and defiant every year. With little to no consequences. I’m at my wits’ end.
The parents are the worst in this generation
Maybe if we didn’t cram kids into tiny rooms with uncomfortable chairs for long periods of time they wouldn’t be so prone to behavior issues. Also, let’s maybe not have the 7 spectrum kids in class with 12 ED kids and hope that the 3 high achieving kids can help the teachers manage everything along with the 10 other random kids whose attitude change every day.
But that's not the fault of teachers.
You’re right! Can’t the teacher’s Union help with this? Maybe not but the government should be!!! It’s their fault. Always it seems!
I totally agree, plus the lack of outside time and excessive screen time at home. I remember hearing kindergarteners talk about how they “couldn’t wait to get home to play video games”. It was a beautiful day and they didn’t even seem to realise it, which insinuates a lot about how they were brought up and what home life was like. These same kids were also drugged out of their minds half the time for “ADHD”. It was heartbreaking.
No terrible behavior begins at home. Period.
@@tuttyfat even the best kids will still be fidgety and unhappy if they are crammed into a room that’s too small, are being held back by schools trying to include students that should be in a different classroom, and by not allowing enough outside time. Certainly some bad behaviours come from what happens at home, but to say that any bad behaviour is a product of home life is not correct.
You really hit a nerve with this. As I read the comments my heart hurt. I retired two years ago and my last years were like this. My friends say it's worse now. I usually can find a joke or some dark humor in things, but dang, nothing about this is even remotely humorous. Love you guys out there......
Everyday I honestly feel like I was the last generation to actually get disciplined at school. Actually I never was, because seeing the other kids discipline was enough of a deterrent. Kids never got hit, but they certainly would squeeze the hell out of your wrist dragging you to the office.
I give presentations in high schools regularly to talk about career training opportunities besides college. The student behavior was terrible two years ago and now it's even worse. Between kids getting away with being openly disruptive or rude in addition to usually half of the class just not showing up it's become by far my least favorite organization to present to. Kids are becoming increasingly stupid on top of everything else so that's certainly not helping. Anytime I talk to senior HS students about their post-high school plans it's laughable how little research they've done and how vastly they have overestimated their abilities and desirability as a potential employee.
We had a famous "sports" player come to our elementary school---I can't remember his name; I'm not really into sports (and I was trying to control my class). The kids WERE HORRIBLE---screaming, talking, laughing, getting up and running around. After only a few minutes into his presentation, he stated: This is one of the most disrespectful audiences I've ever seen. I'm leaving." And off he went. I can't even explain the embarrassment we felt. This is not the teachers' faults. This is POLICY from DC that has created this mess.
After 28 years of teaching I was fired because a student tried to steal something I had and I lightly grabbed his forearm and pushed him back. A teacher is not allowed to touch a student no matter what they do.
Had a student stab a teacher with a pencil nothing happened and if he was pushed back she would be fired that’s a Lose Lose
Facts! I think we don’t speak of this enough because we don’t wan to demonize our kids, but it really is a huge issue. I honestly feel bad for the students who do want to learn because so little teaching actually occurs.
I relate to this. In my senior year of high school, I was already on the brink from so much shit going on. And the fact that some kids would not shut up and let some teachers do what they needed to do. It was not good.
funny how 1 or 2 OUT OF CONTROL students can affect the learning of the rest of the kids who are there to learn.
💯 FACTS fellow educator!
I’m glad to see if the people are finally wising up to something that’s been known for a while, which is you’re the adult they’re the child and discipline begins in the home.
AMEN SISTER. The struggle is REAL
yep... my sister teaches in a high school in suburban Chicagoland and she has 5 years until retirement and it's BRUTAL... student behavior and lack of consequences are OUT OF CONTROL. The administration rolls over... it's pathetic.
You nailed it. The archaic, dysfunctional public school system as a whole doesn't provide respect and support to teachers in the work they would otherwise love. It's a system that has no spine. Plus, the curriculum and format need a major overhaul. Schools should be healthy, joyful, and RESPECTFUL places for all involved.
Yep. What I took away from teaching for 4 years is that many parents are assholes and it's no wonder that they have shitty children. However, I love and appreciate all the good students and supportive parents. It's really too bad that their education is being affected by these shitty students and their horrible parents.
I understand the importance of IEPs, but I’ve seen them misused as a way to prevent accountability by students. Students need real consequences for their behavior.
Lack of pay always cracks me up. The least amount paid out in my tiny school was 40k a year 😂😂😂😂
I’ve been kicked in the stomach by a guy because he randomly decided the stick I was messing with was his and then he proceeded to attack me and I probably got in more trouble than he did 😭
Thank you for speaking up!❤
Lack of consequence is ridiculous...i agree
PREACH!
this is very true
i have been teaching for almost 10 years now
thinking of quitting and this is exactly my reason
currently a pre kindergarten teacher
all the way from sri lanka 🇱🇰
Preach!
Yep! I quit my job after 32 years three weeks ago after high school students in several classes acted up. In addition to students being argumentative and insubordinate, I had kids flipping me off and telling me to f**k off. One student threw a shoe at my head but missed. A student in another class threw a water bottle that shattered an overhead clock.
I warned the students about their behavior. I contacted their parents. After filling out discipline referrals, I was reprimanded by admin for having filled out too many referrals. I was also told that no assault (attempted or otherwise) had occurred. When I was then told to step up my class management skills or find another job, I decided to quit and find another (non-teaching) job.
I do not regret quitting.
We lost 4 teachers over the summer and admin filled these positions with long term subs. Another teacher quit a month before I did. With my departure, the school was down one-quarter of their certified faculty.
I don't know how many more teachers the school can lose while still staying functional. Fortunately for me, this is no longer my problem.
unfortunately---these aggressive and violent students are NOW SOCIETY'S PROBLEM.
Student behaviour?😂
Let those who taught student this behaviour teach the student! 🤣😂🤣
Homeschooling IS allowed in the US, isn't it?
I work in after school and I can’t imagine what the day school teachers have to go through
our teachers feel so badly for the after school care. the kids' behavior is EVEN WORSE after school.
AMEN!!!!! I’m a Sub and my kids are College age now. But the School district which is supposedly #2 in Maryland has made a turn for the WORST since my Children were there.
My child is struggling in Kindergarten and i dont know how to help him because typical punishments make it worse. We got to visit the class today for a few hours. 7 kids out due to being sick and I still don't know how in the heck she does it. 21 kids one teacher. Absolutely unacceptable. Too many kids and too small of classrooms.
I knew that’s what you were going to say!!! 😹 I was lucky to be retired, after 38 years in the classroom, during the pandemic! I said from the beginning that after not having to be in a classroom where you had to not only teach, but discipline, teachers wouldn’t ever want to go back! I can’t imagine trying to have any kind of control after the kids had none for a year or two! What a nightmare! 🙀
Good teachers = successful students = successful adults. Such a shame that teachers are treated like garbage. Our entire society would be different!
Spot on. The behavior of students can range from contempt, disrespect, disrupting class,etc.
In addition to all of the things that you named… Teachers are not respected, they’re not treated like professionals, the boatload of responsibility on them, the insultingly low pay….I don’t think the average parent has any idea of how much work teachers really do.
I teach in the UK and it’s exactly the same over here
Absolutely spot on. People get mad at me when I say in writing that kids are assholes but the fact remains that kids are indeed assholes. Why do I think that kids are assholes? Simple, because kids are assholes. I taught for seven years and had jobs that ran the gamut from the sublime to the ridiculous. I taught Catholic junior high school for 2 years. Tried being a Benedictine brother for one school year during which I was one of the janitors at Benedictine High School since I was only a postulant, even if I did have my BS Ed degree and 7 years’ experience. Also taught ghetto high school and Job Corps GED then finally was a community college administrator running a GED night school. GED was the best, but that’s not saying much. Teaching in the ghetto you alternate between having to rescue people who are being beaten up to actually getting assaulted yourself. It’s not worth the bother. People overwhelmingly simply have no academic ability. Most people should just audit their schooling and mostly get cultural exposure so they’re not complete boobs as adults. Grades should be eliminated and diplomas should be awarded by examination only and the exams should be impartially run by an independent authority. Instruction should be automated as much as possible to get teachers out of the lecturing business. Once no one is willing to put up with this horse-shit anymore they’ll have no choice but to automate it and just hire youth leaders and security guards to monitor computer labs. It’ll be online academy even for the little monsters who actually go to school. No one should major in eduction any more, not even as a high school subject specialist with the equivalent of a regular BA. Just think about what you’re missing in adult life by locking yourself up in a classroom with a bunch of boring and useless kids all day. It’s not worth it. So don’t bother.
and even scarier .. . . . . the insanity IS NOT only happening in the ghetto schools. it's happening in mid-high income neighborhood schools.
Great video! As a former teacher myself, I can totally relate to these points mentioned. Thanks for sharing!
Public School attendance is decreasing while home school, charter school, private school attendance continues to increase. I have been told by a public school teacher that the students leaving are NOT the ones that were causing the problems.
of course not!!! the kids who are leaving have parents WHO CARE ABOUT THEIR CHILD'S EDUCATION AND ARE PARENTS WHO ARE WELL INFORMED!!!!! Pretty soon, the public schools will be filled with nothing but thugs. that IS what it's coming to.
I just finished my final semester in my bachelor's of English Education, and I will be damned to hell if I become a teacher. I was a teacher for ONE semester. One. And the hellhole was insufferable.
You're not alone or crazy. I did one semester of student teaching hs mathematics and said, "Hell no!" as well. Now to find an alternative career path...
I left after 26 years! You nailed it !
I called the principal to remove two kids that were messing with my property, trying to escape from the room, and jumping on classroom equipment. The principal walked in and just told me to to ignore the behavior. The students heard that, so they continued to act out for months doing the same stuff. They would even start to laugh at me while doing it because they know they can get away with it. I had to call the office every time I had them, as we now have a “no touch” policy. Ultimately, one moved away and the other one is in counseling during my music class.
This is my last semester.
Amen, Sister.
You are spot on. My daughter is an excellent teacher and is quitting as well for All the reasons you stated.
One of my co workers I’ve used to work with is fed up with the teaching profession. And the co worker told me that she is dealing with a lot of student behavior.
Hubby used to drive school bus. Not only were the kids out of control, but as a bus driver it is 100% necessary to have a second job.... except you have to go sit in the principal's office half the day (without pay) to try to "discipline" a kid for unsafe behavior on a moving vehicle... only to have the principal side with the "my kid's an angel" parent... then have a kid get hurt because they refuse to sit, and the driver gets in trouble for "failure to control a child" 🤦♀️. All of this while making less than the people making salads at Chick-fil-A.
Preach!!!!!!!!!
This needs to go viral. It’s much overdue.
We are creating trauma for students by allowing violent and verbally abusive peers to remain in the classroom. I will die on this hill.
As a parent & someone who walked away from becoming a teacher (was in college for it & switched for a serious reason), I really REALLY want to see public teachers walk away from the schools en masse. I've spoken to so many other parents who'd be willing to pay if teachers opened more private schools or formed homeschooling groups (paying the teachers of course).
You are 💯 correct!
A sensible, consistent policy for student behavior is needed in every school, but there must also be administrative and parental support for it. Behavior must have consequences.
Yep.😂😂😂 I am done with that drama. Me and hubby have two businesses and we are killing it. Not my circus, not my monkeys. No thanks! Best be wondering who else to abuse with your child. I don’t have time for that drama. Kids are a mess right now thanks to policy and parents. Yikes for them all in 20 years! Good luck on your sinking ship!
You nailed it.
it's a HUGE problem for other students who are there who don't have behavior problems and actually want to get an education as well. If 1/2 the time the teacher is dealing with out of control students in the classroom, those kids who want to learn aren't getting an education as well.
You are absolutely right. The school hides the problem instead of holding the student responsible for their actions
RETIRED TEACHER HERE. Also illegal immigration
Yes!! The lack of respect is huge! I have a lot of family in teaching careers and my sister left teaching elementary because of the disrespect and entitlement of parents. My husband teaches and this year’s freshman have been more disrespectful than he’s had in over a decade of teaching. It’s like they just don’t understand what respect is anymore and there’s not much teachers are allowed to do about it either. Last time he sent a student to the office he got in trouble so even that isn’t usually an option anymore. It’s crazy. Teachers deserve respect from their students, parents, and the community. It’s sad that this isn’t just common sense to people.
this is why I'm retiring in 2 years! I can't make it past 25 bc my mental and physical health..
and bills that come with that, aren't squaring up. IEP'S used to be individual education plans. Now, they tend to be used to protect students that are harming teachers & inhibiting the FAPE OF OTHER KIDS. You just accept that you can try to be Mother Teresa in an SCD Calcutta. If you or your administration defend you... you'll end up in MDR MEETINGS, leave crying...with tons more paperwork to do on that kid and less teaching getting done bc you're too slammed documenting and fixing behaviors that are undiagnosed ODD, COMORBID disorders, schizophrenia , etc. And then you're under that microscope. If you have ever had to develop a 12 page safety plan so 1 child can attend in person... kills the classroom community. All I can do is tell God ok...I'm going to finish my assignment. If I get fired for this post... I'm joining you guys
100% - I can tolerate the other things. But being exhausted, disrespected, ignored, and even laughed at when I'm pouring my heart out is too much.
Exactly! They will literally laugh at teachers these days because they see firsthand what we experience, yet somehow find it humorous.
Yep...I mean, I love my job and don't want to leave it, but I sure don't love being told to, "Shut the F@$# up" by a 4-year-old & being called a "B!@$#" by a 3-year-old because I tell them it's time to clean up.
Most professionals have a certain degree of latitude in practicing their day to day practice. This is a significant defining characteristic of a profession. Teaching for many decades has been micromanage, teaching is not a profession any longer. At best it's a trade.
I’ve gone through *seven* different teacher lives over the past 15 years (long, absurd story involving layoffs and one school closure), and in my last two most recent teacher lives, admin touted “restorative discipline”, which is basically code for “no consequences for students here.”
I nearly pursued an eighth (!) teacher life for this school year, but when I inquired about their approach to discipline and they told me they were transitioning into that “restorative” BS, my gut wretched and I went “yeah…HARD PASS. G’bye!”
I’m feelin’ the grief about potentially walking away from something I devoted so much time, energy, and passion towards right now because I don’t yet know what will be next…but when I take a good hard look at it all, the truth of the matter is, whatever joy I felt from teaching fizzled out back in 2018 when I was let go from a position where I was pulling out all the stops between teaching preK-5th media, 6th-8th design, 6th-8th electives, ran 2 after school clubs (one for Minecraft and one for filmmaking), coordinated badly-needed ed tech PD for everyone, *AND* held down the fort as that school’s lone source of IT support…and all that for less than $50K, mind you.
So…yeah…