Post Office scandal victim speaks to Carol Vorderman | LBC
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- Jo Hamilton a former subpostmaster, is represented in the drama 'Mr Bates vs. The Post Office' and will be appearing before the Business and Trade Committee on Tuesday.
She speaks to Carol Vorderman about her story part of the Horizon-Fujitsu-Post Office scandal.
Jo said: 'They simply are not paying the group that took them on - people are dying and there might be more before this is resolved. Someone in my group had a brain tumour, she had her conviction quashed but never got to see the compensation.'
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They absolutely should be prosecuted and those heavily involved should be jailed.
Prison for those in power to blame and 5 Million each for the wrongly convicted 2.5 million for all others.
It'll be coming out of taxpayers' money anyway
I found myself in court years ago and my solicitor told me 'Look it doesn't matter if you did it ,to get it over and done with quickly just plead guilty it's be cheaper and better for everyone and that's what I did but have always regretted it I should have fought the scumbags
You still can contact the group .
You were forced to accept the false charges 🤪
Can you appeal
@@joanneramsden1514 definitely the Subpost masters mistresses have !
Where are the Fujitsu IT staff and managers who were accessing terminals daily to fix the ongoing multiple errors. They know full well what was happening, cowards one and all.
Who gave the order to say 'you're the only one' find this person(s) & everyone else responsible who falsey accused these poor people knowing their system faulty, knowing it could be remotely accessed & take away their life savings & send them to jail!!
YES!
Not returning money that was stolen to the family of the deceased is disgusting. Had it not been stolen, those family members would have benefitted from it, as well as any future money/wages had the false accusations not been made and jobs lost. Of course the families should be 'compensated' if the individual has died
I think they should sue, they should be given legal aid for this purpose!
YES! Especially those poor families who had a suicide. The damage rippled out over whole families, divorces, homes lost, heaven only knows all the private traumas experienced. Then their are all the lost opportunities had these people not had to cough up the losses. Not only compensation but damages for pain & suffering.
The problem is Britain is full of Crooks...very well protected by ruthless Lawyers..and a failed sistem in every sector...
Hear hear 👏the last few weeks have shown us how quickly the government can act when it wants to, and when they have vested interests. I do not see why it is so difficult for them to just say "any prosecutions brought against SPMs in which Horizon is involved, are null and void, and any money paid by the accused to the post office is to be refunded with interest with immediate effect"
Remember that computer software only does what a programmer tells it to do.... So which programmers told it to do that? Was it all the software? Or were programmers targeting certain people for hacking? If not, then why didn't it happen to all sub post-offices and main post offices? There seems to be deliberation in lnvolved from a very high level.
There is a lot more than that to it. It's yet another step to tyranny if the misgovernment override the jurisdiction of the CCRC and the Court of Appeal, it will set a precedent by which both the CCRC and the Court of Appeal and indeed all other justice corporations and courts are abolished.
Many legal eagles will be redundant.
This is far above the post office. It was privatised for a reason.
The thing is that UN ordered no more paper from 2025. Creating excuses to abolish the post office will assist in that. This means all to be on computers, and we all know how important things are altered or deleted from the web and more. Time to buy antiquarian books on history, politics (at one time covered by re-legion, science, biology, medicine including natural medicine. Also vintage books as close as possible to the events. For installing, first edition books on WWI and WII are often give different stories than later edited and new editions. Also pre 1956 encyclopedias. You won't know the real facts otherwise. Although such books have been becoming ever more difficult to find and expensive. It's as if they are being bought up for bonfires.
The actual criminals in control and their obedient servants in the Royal Mail/post office and misgovernment should have proceeds of crime upon all they and their families own until honest auditors work out what was right and just for them to be paid. Major shareholders also. Were businesses such as Blackrock and Vanguard invested?
It was timed to become higher profile now. The documentary could be have been made and screened years ago. There hasn't been any even occasional slip ups of real disclosures of truths since circa 2010. What happened around that time?
They wouldn't be able to declare it bankrupt and abolish it if it were still owned by the public. See?
They will never say sorry, sorry is an admission of liability
I know they see it that way but it isn't. It's an expression of humanity, which is sorely lacking.
I am very sorry about all those affected by the recent floods, in the UK. It doesn't make me culpable for anything. I don't control the weather.
@@FreeToSurvive
Not just a politician. The world has become more narcissistic. And narcissists cannot accept responsibility or guilt for anything. They are never truly sorry for anything, even those who learn to say sorry.
The post office scandal is just one alarming example of a much deeper societal problem...
The political class have not had the consequences of these errors taken out of their hides - not yet enough to smarten them up… which is something that must change.
Being very serious when I suggest we are looking at a system which has become so corrupted it is highly doubtful if any of the present political parties are worthy of the public's votes.
Somebody needs to drain the lake at the Post Office. The culpability of those managers involved in the coverup needs to be thoroughly investigated and those who are found guilty need to face jail. It would send a message to the PO and other public/ private organisations that nobody is above the law and you will be brought to book.
The post office is just one alarming example of a much deeper societal problem...
The political class have not had the consequences of these errors taken out of their hides - not yet enough to smarten them up… which is something that must change.
Drain the swamp ..cos its full of crocodiles the lake is fine its just got fish and things. 😂
Not just the Post Office Managers, the Government politicians too must pay for this. They have treated the PO people like insignificant irrelevant people. They have no scruples, honesty or integrity. They should be fired and their expensive pensions taken off them, their houses and their savings/investments to repay exactly what these people had taken off them. It was theft!
How anyone in their right minds thought that Jo Hamilton would even steal a 5p stamp from the Post Office is beyond me.
She’s brilliant. All the best to her and hope they all get justice & full and just compensation.
Carol is absolutely brilliant. Disgusting scandals like this wouldn't happen if people like her were in government. We need more like her.
Steady on !!!!!
Jo Hamilton is brilliant, Vorderman is late to the party. How dare you even say a journalist/celebrity is brilliant when they are just reporting what has happened.
@@mollienightHow dare I say that? I'll say what I like. Thank you.
@@ThomasKing19933 Vorderman is not a saint. I wonder if you have photos of her in your little shrine.
@@mollienight You are needlessly rude. I shall not engage in conversation with you.
Jo is such a wonderful person, I'm glad her community knew all along how lucky they were to have her
My heart felt apology that the British public, myself included, have been so slow to comprehend the scale of the Post Office’s lies, deceit and absolutely evil actions against thousands of decent hard working Post Office Managers. But we will keep demanding that the PO and the British Government finally make full and fair restitution.
Tories rushing to blame Ed Davey who was only in charge for two years! Since then, the May government gave Vennells her CBE and multiple more contracts were given to Fujitsu (who probably donate to the Tory party). Let’s get all those performance bonuses back from those who received them, get Fujitsu to compensate the taxpayer for any compensation paid/payable.
And you are quick to try and blame the tories.
Ed Davey should resign and so should starmer who was head of the cps at the time.
they are all the same, it's like a musical chair of govt crimes, each one commits a crimes and move forward to new crimes and however is in power, simply apologise or pretends to hold an enquiry....that is the beauty of democracy, no one is ever accountable.
@@monipenny408 Starmer should be made to resign in my opinion he was head of the cps.
He is never on the side of the victims.
@@snowyowel7961 Are you really saying that Tories who have been in power for the last 14 years can say once again, that it was everyone else's fault?
@@snowyowel7961 Sure, he can resign as head of CPS.
Question: Surely charging someone with a crime you admit you have NO evidence for (as in Jo’s case and likely many others) is a crime in itself?
Sounds like perverting the course of justice to me.
Fraud
Go after the companies (PO & Fujitsu) and shareholders and recover the dividends they have received over the years. If shareholders could be held responsible for compensating workers who suffer from poor/corrupt management practices they might turn up for AGMs and question the high ups on how the business is being run.
I agree go after the PO and Fujitsu and shareholder (singular). The Post Office is not a plc it has but one shareholder the government so any profits ended up in treasury coffers. The buck ultimately stops with the government. They should pay the bulk of the very overdue compensation.
What about the solicitors bonuses? They should pay that back into a fund.
He regrets getting found out
Exactly
Interesting he called it a conspiracy and not a mistake or oversight.
Very simply there needs to be stiff jail terms for all who have been complicit in this hideous scandal.
Whether from Fujitsu,the Post Office, the Judiciary, the Govt or elsewhere if they have had a hand in these false prosecutions then they need jailing.
“Sorry”….seems to be the hardest word
Need to investigate lawyers who failed to diclose and made false claims, most need to be dibarred at least.
Yes and they struck them off from that profession for life without pension !
Fujitsu and the Post Office knew Horizon was flawed yet deliberately rolled it out. It was more simple to blame innocent Sub Post Masters than rectify the underlying issues. Shame on all that knew the inherent deficiencies within Horizon and unleashed utter abject misery on these innocent people. Fujitsu should be forced to pay all the money back they made off the back of Horizon, settle all losses incurred including lost income and any harm caused and finally Fujitsu should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and pay fines for fraud, negligence and corruption. Those within senior echelons of Post Office management should be punished, appropriately prosecuted and be made to apologise to each and every Sub Post Master personally!
Fujitsu have a big presence in my city, I can tell ya they aren't hiring the best and brightest we have to offer. They should be barred from government contracts for like a 100 year period
And guess who's wife's company has been in partnership with fujitsu since 2009!! And he's trying to play the ,"I'll sort this out" card to win votes
What an amazing woman Jo is. ❤
Sunak just donated £2.5B to support the Ukraine conflict. Yes a worthy cause, but really that should have gone first to all those sub-postmasters.
That money to Ukraine comes out of the defense budget, which is huge. But the point is, there are different pots of money allocated to different things.
I read that as £2.58 😂
There is £70 million put aside for compensation appareny but by the time the damages are assessed and lawyers fees it is going to cost a lot more of our tax payers money that Fujitsu should be paying
I'm outraged at the scale of all this and speechless at the malicious, evil, unconscionable behavior of each and every member of the Post Office management, IT and legals who doubled down when they MUST have known what they were doing was wrong! Their culpability CANNOT be blithely dismissed with an honour being returned or a denial of culpability. Heads need to roll, money needs to be clawed back, time needs to be spent in jail.
The word " Establishment " stands out here ,that's who these people are up against, they have the wealth and power and most of all time , look at all the " enquiries " set up by our leaders and betters regarding so many actions which screen cover up 😮
It's time for judges to be accountable and face questioning as did the unfortunate Post Office investigator a few days ago.
If the bug caused a problem, why wasn't the entire post office affected? All the post masters could be blamed.
It wouldn't be just one bug but MANY bugs all from a poorly cobbled together, bespoke, HIGHLY ambitious and EXTREEMLY complicated series of programs. The 'fault' isn't necessarily just one consistent 'bug'. I was part of a team that installed a pretty sophisticated packing machine consisting of 3 systems which were all meant to effortlessly flow together. It did anything but at first! One of the problems was an inconsistent intermittent fault - because parts of the system weren't communicating clearly. It took a lot of effort to determine the cause and fix it - and that was just ONE problem of many on ONE packing machine. Horizon was massive and incredibly complicated and overly ambitious when computer programing was still relatively new. A lot of Postmasters DID have problems but just paid up, there are more than the 700 charged.@@yj5666
@@andersonomo597 In the mid-90s, I was involved in a project focused on accounting and salary systems in Japan (not Fujitsu). I gained insights into the complexity of the system during this time. Before the release of Windows NT and Windows 95, accounting and salary software for midrange computers existed, and they had to be adapted for the new operating systems. This process was incredibly challenging.
I believe that software bugs can occur in any branch. Did all the branch manager get into trouble? Achieving perfection in software development is impossible. I wonder why the post office didn't conduct regular checks on stocks, such as stamps, boxes, and envelopes. If there were duplicated sales data, it could result in the misrepresentation of the stock's value. Perhaps, if the post office had checked the data daily, they could have identified and addressed the issue. Checking for duplicate transactions within a short timeframe might have revealed discrepancies ,If the cash data alone was incorrect, I believe the balance sheet would also appear anomalous. Why didn't the post office accountants notice this discrepancy?"
If we don't point out the details of the error, it will never be solved. I am commenting because I hope this issue gets resolved. If the problem lies in management, it's a waste to argue about the bugs. If the bugs are genuinely causing these problems, future programmers should learn from this. By 'future programmers,' I mean not only those working on this software but in general
Thank goodness for Carol and her interviews. Yes people should be jailed..
Look how long it took and how many enquiries before it was admitted that those who had died in the Hillsborough disaster had been unlawfully killed. Blameless people were blamed and vilified, Jimmy McGovern wrote a searing drama, but still decades went by, and the senior police officer in charge on that day spent not a day in prison. Watching the drama about Mr. Bates and the other sub postmasters reminded me of that.
These scandals happen all the time, NHS people dying and it gets covered up by hospital management, whilst else blowers fired etc.
The systems whose regulators come from the system are grossly flawed. The government need Bills to change laws and make it an Act of Parliament to ensure regulatory bodies are entirely independent; akin to how they regulate the private sector.
I have lost all faith in the British justice system. Totally disgusting. End of.
Me too
I never had any faith in it.
My Dad used to work in a prison as a counsellor and spent most of his time helping inmates cope with and come to terms with their false and unfair imprisonment.
Not only the post office. EDF have twice on the last year not credited my accounts with payments made. Also they keep changing the amounts owed - even greatly. Their foreign call centre is absolutely useless except that they take the payments from my bank account - but it isn't credited on the next bills. I can't be the only one this is happening to. I pay over the phone not by direct debit. Probably other energy companies also.
after Hillsboro and then the Muslim grooming gangs for sure.
The final rung of the Great British Establishment Coveruip. Announce a compensation scheme, but ensure nobody is ever paid. See also: Windrush, Infected blood
And Hillsborough
This needs to be headline news everyday until each person is compensated.
It's a case of pure malevolence at just about every level in this saga. The individuals involved in the prosecutions went out of their way to inflict pure evil on innocent postmasters and they should face prosecution and prison time themselves.
Can they be named directly or are there just about enough levels and lies to slip out of it?
Spot on. 👍
@@Vtwin_Superbikes: it's likely that most of those who made the decisions internally will never be known. There's no carpet small enough that stuff can't be conveniently swept under it.
This happened to me for over 11 years of working as a counter clerk. Thousands I lost as a single parent struggling.
Where do I go for compensation
I suggest you contact your MP
yes, they spent £400 to Rwanda for nothing, but can't pay their wronged citizens!
If you want real accountability, it must go down to every single person who were involved in this and didn't raise an alert or spoke up, or who did obey orders. Because every single one of them is somewhat responsible be they from the government, from the post office, from Fujitsu, including the guys from the hotline who told each of them they were the only one to have the problem. Of course, some are way more responsible than the others but it requires a lot of cover up from a lot of people to result in that.
Yes but thats not realistic.
@@Vtwin_Superbikes: exactly, and that's why it's more likely it'll be mostly swept under the carpet
Bradshaw's evidence was very much less than convincing or reassuring. He was described as an investigator, but failed to investigate anything, he only accused people without evidence.
he had evidence accept it did not go with his agendor .he was hired to find peoplle guilty not find the truth.
@@andydudley1775
That's not what the title Investigator describes.
He didn't investigate anything.
No one did.
None of the Senior Managers either, said let's investigate this, and get to the truth if the matter.
Not one of them!
That's evil, and it's shocking.
Yes. Also saying that there should've been another line at the bottom of his statement saying those aren't his words completely negates the point of giving a statement. Given that seems to have been used in legal matter how isn't that contempt of court?
Not only the post office. EDF have twice on the last year not credited my accounts with payments made. Also they keep changing the amounts owed - even greatly. Their foreign call centre is absolutely useless except that they take the payments from my bank account - but it isn't credited on the next bills. I can't be the only one this is happening to. I pay over the phone not by direct debit. Probably other energy companies also.
"you are the only one"? Who came up with that? We need a name!
Probably Vennells !
Standard IT company response
@@ragdollkid1338 Airlines do it all the time. I spoke to a HoC Committee on this subject.
I bet the compensation scheme is abused I see fraudsters taking money and people who had legal threats against them should be getting £600k at least for the mental health damage.
It shouldnt be. Compensation should be paid to either wife/husband or kids. They suffered too!!!!
'The claims are reasonable, why don't they just pay us?' - Jo Hamilton. Therefore, NOW, the government / Post Office should be paying 4 times as much for the delay - financial redress PLUS compensation!
It seems there may but up to 7,000 sub post masters who have suffered. The Government of course will not bother to ask all 7,000 what they need to be compensated and work from that!!
Sir Ed Davey is a disgrace. He should be sacked as an MP, and his knighthood stripped from him.
There are so many lessons to be learned out of this. I do hope there will be enough students writing papers on it. There's so many angles to look at it. It's a case to be remembered and recalled for atleast a century to come
"I deeply regret I was lied to" Uh huh, course you are. Politicians always lie, and they never apologise.
Personally I do not get the stragegy behind not fully apologizing even if you feel you weren't personally responsible it was the least he could have done. To get pinned down down like aswel just made him look even worse with the obfuscation- just giving more ammo to the conservatives in my opinion.
All he had to say was he apologised for his part in the scandal and caveat that with expressing anger he was lied to and that is why he took the decisions he did.
The sub-postmasters accused of theft and false accounting were subsequently acquitted of the charges, but as I understand the situation weren't given back the money they were wrongly forced to pay because of the errors in their accounts due to the faulty Horizon software which both the Post Office and Fujitsu knew about.
Both the Post Office and Fujitsu conspired in the crimes of stealing the money from the sub-postmasters.
When are the employees of the Post Office and Fujitsu (and possibly politicians) involved in this criminal activity going to be charged with theft, false accounting, extortion with menaces, etc. for their crimes in this disgusting saga?
The investigator just shrugs his shoulders and say 'I was only obeying orders'.
Paula Vennels gave up her 'honour' - it wasn't taken from her. IT WAS HER CHOICE. Knowing what had happened, she actually accepted it in the first place. Where is her so-called honour?
She (an in fairness others) has still made a bucketload of cash; will it be taken from them and given back to her VICTIMS?
"Where did the money go?" Nowhere! There was no missing money! The victims gave money under threat to the Post Office that wasn't theirs! And they are delaying until their victims DIE!
Yes, the money has, somehow, been absorbed in profits way back; so the business has benefitted to make improvements and sell off parts of it in-between (more cash) and they have paid a lot of bonuses (likely more than the Post Office Masters need by way of compensation. So, there has to be some penalty levied at the Post Office (by way of a criminal fraud investigation) whereby the courts reverse the money due. If that is too much out of profits that year, the government will have to cough the difference up until the Post Office can redeem their debt to the public purse. The Government will have to offset the money they, effectively, loan the Post Office from profits elsewhere in the system. Such as the amount of tax they must have made by hiked energy prices.
How convenient that Rishi Sunak is justifying an expense, without consulting the House of Commons, for more conflict at this time?
It's like war crimes, I was only following orders, it was the higher management, no one is taking responsibility for their actions.
Why was the PO shielding Fujitsu? They should have blamed them and sought compensation as soon as they knew there was a problem.
Why did PO managers turn a blind eye to the computer issue and persecute the post masters? Did they financially benefit in some way?
We have a saying, time to clear the swamp of the crocodiles!!!!
and Bradshaw's been with the Post Office for 40 years so is due a huge pension pay-out for having been an "investigator", couldn't investigate a brown paper bag, utterly disgraceful.
Amazing Lady 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
What about loss of earnings as they all lost their businesses and probably had difficulty finding new employment.
The Post office scandal, is the tip of a filthy rotten set of the most greedy individuals you could ever come across. I despair at the values are government have fallen too .
It happened under Labour.
And when starmer was head of the cps he should have done something. He needs to answer questions seriously.
@@snowyowel7961 So did a million crimes, stop passing the book just like this government is always doing . All the facts had not come out when labour left office, This has been deliberately hidden from public scrutiny, the sickest part comes from paying individuals bonuses to convict people KNOWING they were innocent. I hope they rot in prison, but they never do . Shall we start on what else this rotten government have been up to ?
@@snowyowel7961 It certainly started during the Labour government, but most of the evidence emerged during the Tory years. They don't get to offload this onto anyone else.
@@davebox588 Starmer was head of the cps he should could have done something and he did sod all.
He never appears to be for the victims he should be made to answer questions.
@@snowyowel7961 what about...... what about...... Starmer knew nothing about the scandal. The prosecutions came from the Post Office not the DPP. Not a single case from this scandal crossed his desk. How about you focus on the REAL guilty parties like Paula Vennels and the arsewipes in Fujitsu who covered it all up.
None of them will apologise instead they blame each other
Fujitsu must be held to account and to pay for their lies and mistakes
Surely, those individuals that knew the problems existed and still allowed the subpostmasters and mistresses to be prosecuted and consequently ruined, should be liable to be charged with perverting the course of justice ?
All bonuses need to be taken back (where the clauses existed in their contracts, such as Paula Vennels) as this money stolen was directly used for company bonuses.
Don't forget bonuses at Fujitsu for Project Managers and Sales people.
Their contracts are null and void as they lied in the execution of their jobs and shouldn't even be considered
I’m so glad Carol has made her way to LBC
She has more compassion for her persecutors than I do. She's talking about justice, when revenge is going though mine.
Did MS Vorderman covers the Labour party’s connection to all this??
I had always been a bit proud of Ed Davey because he rose to prominence in my constituency but now I'm completely ashamed that he didn't fully investigate what was going on and then refused to say sorry like a toddler. Yuck. He should be ashamed. He didn't do his job properly, didn't carry himself with integrity or dignity.... He should be stripped of his gold plated pension.
Prison sentences
They need to pay them all around £1 million each, to be fair.
Many have been robbed out of hundreds of thousands of pounds, had huge court costs, spent nearly two decades, not able to get a job, because they've got a criminal record.
Suffered years of abuse, pain, and struggle, unnecessarily.
Even a million doesn't even cover the misery they've been caused, but it would be fair minimum, in my mind.
One part of the documentary that appears to have been overlooked (I've not heard it mentioned on any other forums I've read) was the part where one of the convicted sub postmaters was front page headlines on a local newspaper and it read along the lines of, Sub Postmaster stole money from pensioners!
Was that stated by the judge in the case or did the editor decide to write the headline himself?
I think it was the lady of Indian origin... I wonder why?
The project implementation documents should be reviewed, under the records act they must exist.
Go back to the implementation of the horizon system. Proper and thorough user acceptance testing including regression testing and audits should have picked up the system faults.
Three likelihoods a) there wasn't proper testing. Isolated modules were tested but overall testing was not done.
b) the faults occurred during testing, they weren't identified as a thorough audit was not done.
c) faults occurred were identified and ignored.
Key stakeholders must have signed off to go ahead with the go live. There must be User Acceptance testing and sign off in the project files.
Great comment, look at the paper evidence.
Excellent comments!
Absolutely. As politicians always like to say 'lessons will be learned' but they need to find out why this happened, why they pursued the sub postmaster even after the software was suspected, why Fujitsu was not held accountable.
Was it a poor spec that was flawed, poorly tested and with no post implementation audit ? In which case which PO managers were responsible and they need to be held accountable
They committed perjury
Why is "Sorry" so hard to say??????😠
Jo Hammilton is dead right when she says let them have some of what they experienced, but they will be "I regret...., I understand your anger" etc but I am keeping all my pay and bonuses and I have a loverly life thank you.
Yes, but we're ALL listening now.
I am shocked and disgusted. This scandal has taken my breath away
I love how this story is so old but it took a TV show for politicians to actually acknowledge it
It's 2024 buckle up.
"LOVE" is an interesting choice of words.
...and they were happy to let the wheels of justice grind inhumanely slowly and claim there was nothing more they could do until the country saw the drama. And the self congratulation in parliament is nauseating.
The Post Office is a financial institution so where is the Financial Conducts Authority in this mess?
The Fundamentally Complicit Authority won’t touch a government outfit - conveniently outside its remit 🤬
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Surely one action could bring these victims' plights to the public foreground. For every convicted SPM there should be a local press one page advert to say that this person has been wrongfully accused. The local media were in a hurry to convict and persecute innocent victims, but now seem slow to address the failings of the judiciary and the Post Office. The media is complicit in the relentless hounding of innocent people.
Imagine been conscripted in the uk knowing stuff like this is going on.
The guy who said it wasn't his words, in the statement, and he didn't have the skills to have a clue if the system was robust, is admitting that he deliberately lied to the courts!
Is he too thick to know what he's saying, or just totally lacking any conscience?
Probably both.
But that shouldn't excuse perjury.
Jo was a class act.
Still is !
Anyone in PO and Fujitsu who knew these people were being lied to and destroyed should be bankrupted and jailed.
Those 4 thousand postmasters put all their money in for their shortfalls for a decade and then the post office profits increase with their money that’s just wrong!!!!!!
What BS when the post office knew from the start that Fujitsu.
Knew the govt of the day both Tories and Labour.
Then Bradshaw claimed he didn't bully victims but dozens all claim a virtually identical story of Bradshaws bullying.
what about the computer company , they need to pay deeply for this Travesty of Justice....
Carol you need to change POST OFFICE SCANDLE TO POST OFFICE SCAM
The Post Office can't pay out because they gave away all the money in bonus for the top brass.
The families should be paid if someone has passed away that was wrongly robbed by the post office an independent commission should decide on what is fair they have lost their life savings and earnings .
...and yet Michelle Mone got millions and millions so easily!
The same type of mindset is present in those who demonise the sick and unemployed.
The Post office is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes mis -management and poor treatment of people by large buisiness and organisations like the job centre, fit for work assessments which have been done by un-qualified assessor's who base their assessment on how you look instead of doing a proper medical examination. There is local council social housing asbestos checks and questionable evictions, especially vulnerable people who have no support network. What about when large companies make redundancies, most people don't know that they have been treated unfairly and probably illegally. Solicitors and lawyer's have plenty of work. Most CEO's and Executives rely on peoples ignorance and lack of knowledge. What really makes me angry is when the court conspire against the defendants and in some cases don't inform people of court dates and outcomes of cases. You see it on Tv when bailiffs evict some people, some of these people have revived letters telling them whats going on. What kind of Society and legal system evict a mother with small kids or a elderly widow man who has been a exemplary tenant, but because the landlord wants money he gets kicked out on to the street with no where to go. how is this legal. I don't think it is. you can't put a profit before a persons welfare and can't put some one in position where the could end up in harms way or even worse, dead!.
Your doing a magnificent job carol
Corruption makes me sad .. i didn't realize till i got older how bad it was .. its no wonder people just cause crime when you can just get away woth it .. bad people will get further in life
I find the strength of these post office masters and mistresses absolutely fascinating I know we lost people in life people lost property and sent to jail but the fight and tenacity they are showing today is incredible and if we all get behind these people we can undo the wrongs and help to make them right it’s not just compensation they want it’s making people pay for all their pain and suffering
Still a drop in the ocean to the excess death silence.
Carol's mike needs to be raised to save her getting a sore back stooping over so much.
The corruption just makes me sick.
Wow, it looks like the ITV drama didn’t touch the sides. The pain and grief these innocent people went through, is mind-boggling.
Yes .They should all be made to pay for what they have done.And made an example of .We all want to see how a just society deals with those who behave so dishonestly towards people who are obviously from the beginning trusting and are totally dependant on the integrity and justice of the British Legal system.
As a former software engineer(Not Fujitsu), I am concerned that unpredictable failures could negatively impact people's lives. Since hearing this news, I have been experiencing anxiety. It's challenging to create perfect software. I chose to become an engineer because software can alleviate the burden of stressful paperwork. Currently, I am developing medical AI, and I hope that my AI can improve people's health. However, I worry that my mistakes may pose a risk to somebody's life. I advocate for more funding to ensure thorough checks on AI and software, allowing sufficient time for development.
It's weird that software companies get to release unfinished products with the expectation that post release patches will fix them. There are ample examples of this business model not working, time for an industry wide change
@@ciaranhughes1199 The deadline is too tight, causing the release of unfinished products with the expectation that post-release patches will fix them. Before projects commence, the time and number of programmers are estimated, but I believe the allocated time is too short. If it's made almost perfectly, it can run indefinitely. Before computers existed, post office workers managed their tasks using papers. They can perform their duties without computers; computers simply make their work much easier.
@@ciaranhughes1199 I have worked as a software engineer in Japan and am unfamiliar with the IT work environment in the UK. However, in Japan, software engineers often work overtime, starting early in the morning and finishing late at night. They also work on weekends and spend additional time studying programming. Taking annual leave can be challenging. While the post office in Japan completes its work on time, there seems to be a lack of equality. I believe the post office should review its data, checking for potential duplications and discrepancies. It's possible that they failed to notice they didn't sell as much as they thought. Additionally, there may be an excess of stamps that went unnoticed. If the computer system at the post office inaccurately recorded sales, they may have fewer funds but more stamps, boxes, and envelopes in stock. I think it's the post office's responsibility to conduct daily stock counts and reconcile finances to avoid such discrepancies
Don't get me started on the danger of the Internet of Things that thanks to shoddy security software now makes us the bulk of devices used in DDOS type attacks 🤷♂
Not only the post office. EDF have twice on the last year not credited my accounts with payments made. Also they keep changing the amounts owed - even greatly. Their foreign call centre is absolutely useless except that they take the payments from my bank account - but it isn't credited on the next bills. I can't be the only one this is happening to. I pay over the phone not by direct debit. Probably other energy companies also.
The money should be taken from Fujitsu and the directors who rewarded them for being dishonourable!
At the very least - THE VERYBLEAST, the families of those who died should get back the money they had stolen from them. WITH INTEREST!
The investigation team who visited the post offices should be sacked. Pensions removed and if still of employment age, should be told they are unemployable. Disgraceful.
Fujitsu should be made to pay each post master /mistress or families one million pounds!
£600,000 is an absolute joke for what these people were put through, never mind less!
Well done Carol for keeping the momentum going for the those Postmasters unjustly treated and much love to Jo Hamilton for her continued efforts to right these wrongs. I agree accountability must be accountability through the courts because the Post Office need to recognise they have run up prosecution costs unnecessarily - with government backing - and the victims have not had equal representation. It is a scandal the victims on the receiving end of these abuses have suffered so much and an insult to be offered such disgraceful recompense behind a smokescreen of politics.
FOR GOODNESS SAKE that dodged apology from Ed Davey is apalling; does he not realise the time to cover his back-side has well and truly past? Time to take off your politician's hat, Mr. Davey; own up and tell the truth! The apology was the LEAST you could do!
I hope the government don't rely on the deceased victim's families to prove their entitlement for respective compensation. I doubt the supporting victims will hold their breath because, as Jo Hamilton has indicated, they are having to attend hearings of the various events interim to ensure they don't get wires crossed. Why should they trust any part of it when they have been so ill-treated? The victims cannot give anymore than their lives; so, how much is a government official / politician's life worth? These people were at the heart of our communities and, the way it is looking now, they were MUCH MORE VALUABLE to us - the people - than the odd Post Office official, Fuijitsu management of the Horizon system, MP who hid behind what was happening to them at the time and lawyers who tweaked their principles to represent the Post Office!
No wonder so many of the public have lost faith in many of our UK systems and voting for any politician to make a positive difference. Whose word and action can any of us rely on? We, now, don't trust the Post Office. How many of us want to rely on it and give them business now? Rishi Sunak, and any politician needs to think more sincerely about whose side they are on and what words they chose to convince US they are worthy of our time and trust; then, they need to ACT in an honest and just way to PUT THIS RIGHT!
The importance of free, independent, active, investigating journalism comes to light in this scandal. Imagine a society without that... Wait! Where WERE you at the time being?
SHARE with each other THE DETAILS! It is in the ignorance that they abuse you(us)!
Tories out there pretending they haven't been aware of this for over a decade. "We are acting fast on this one guys". Yeah, like a collection of vermin scrambling to disappear after a rock has been lifted.