Why Bow Speed Matters For Bowhunting
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- Think the speed of your bow doesn't matter? Think again! Nearly all of today's hot bows have one thing in common: They sizzle when it comes to the speed of the arrow, and in their ability to transfer the bulk of the bow's energy into the arrow. This adds a great deal of advantages for bowhunting, in particular when your bones begin to creak with age (like mine!) and the season turns bitter cold. I was able to play around with my old Mathews HTR and the new Mathews Triax and WOW, what a long way bows have come in just a few short years!
I started archery with the same Darton 30MX, I've been hooked ever since
Tom Cieri Jr. I loved that bow...would rent hunting videos and sit and stare at it as a 16 year old. At least I think Gene and Barry Wensels first vids were out? Maybe Dan Fitgerald? Man those days were awesome...
Good stuff! A nice comparison you could have shown would have been the arrow drop differences of the two at 20 then 30 yards (and 40 if the range would allow). I increased speed and was able to use the same pin for 20 & 30 whereas on an older bow it was out of the question.
John S great points and thank you...maybe a future video for sure!
I went from the Triax to the Vertix to the V3-31 to the V3X 29 this year.
I must say I have a special relationship with a Triax. I will never sell it. It’s still my number one back up bow. I’ve taken so many deer with that rig I will never sell it. Still have the V3 31 and just picked up the V3X 29 this year. But I do have my eyes set on the V3X 33 for a 3-D rig
Perhaps you can learn something from a true Old School archer. I was shooting bows before you were born. As a traditional archer, I've never cared to hunt with a compound. This coming season will be my 50th year to shoot the same recurve bow I started with. My recurve will produce a pass through and kill deer. It's never been an inadequate bow for deer hunting and the entire traditional archery community will agree with me. A pass through with a decent broadhead is ALL you ever need to kill any deer assuming you can actually hit a deer in a vital spot, which of course applies to all archery shots at any game. You need enough kinetic energy at the point of impact to cause a pass through. For a deer which is perhaps about 14 inches thick, a rather low speed bow like mine which shoots at no more than 180 FPS will generate about 40 pounds of kinetic energy at a reasonable shot distance. That will put the arrow through the deer and the blades on the broadhead do the rest of the work. More speed is completely unnecessary, and for deer at least, is over kill. Buying the fastest bow on the market in order to have an over kill weapon in your hands is like buying a 50 caliber rifle for deer hunting. It's a beast of a weapon for sure just as the bow you hype is, but in the end all that speed is far, far more power than you need. As for all the other hyped reasons to claim buying this year's newest compound that shoots a tiny bit faster than last year's, most of them are not all that relevant either. I laughed hardest at the "benefit" of being able to lighten up the pull. Why? So weaklings can bowhunt? I'm a 65 year old overweight senior citizen with congestive heart failure and Afib. And I can pull, hold, aim, and release my 50 pound recurve just fine. If I can do it, anyone can. I don't need a let off crutch on my bow to take the effort down to a wimpy 25 or 30 pounds of pull in order to be able to handle my bow. Might I suggest to anyone who does need that sort of crutch in order to be able to handle a bow, get up off the couch and develop some muscle strength. If you'd like to see me shooting my bow, check out the video on my channel. Do your viewers a favor and tell them the truth, which is even a half century old recurve like mine is fully capable of shooting an arrow through a deer and killing it. Fred Bear, who created my bow for his own hunting use killed trophy animals all over the world without ever once needing your Mathews warp speed bow to do it with. Archers don't need to spend a huge sum of money to enjoy bow hunting on a whole new and more challenging level. I paid about $300 for my bow in 1968 and that's only about $6 per year to derive immense pleasure from deer hunting using traditional equipment. I have had to buy a half dozen strings along the way however but that's been it. Shooting the same bow helps you get better and better as an archer. The recurve becomes a part of you, an extension of your body. That's how you hit the target instinctively without needing all the sights, stabilizers, release aids, and other crap hung all over the bow or the archer. If you want to have some REAL fun, learn to shoot and kill deer with nothing more than a stick and string bow as archers have successfully done for endless centuries. Hunting with a primitive style bow becomes a sport again....just you against the deer. Try it. You might become addicted to it like most traditional archers are. Just my 2 cents. Feel free to differ.
I shoot a 57lb draw weight with 26 1/2 draw length. 400 spine black eagle carnivores and Rage Tripans. Obviously my bow is slower than say a 70lb or 80lb draw but 90% of my shots are at distances of 35 yards or less. If I shot my bow at 70lb draw at 25 yards the speed would probably fail to open my Tripans due to it carrying so much velocity. I live by the meaning of smooth is fast with today's bows anything over 60lbs is just killing your shoulder lol
I bought a HTR I been bowhunting 40yrs had it for 3 seasons and passed on a ton of deer and finally shoot at a monster and it shoot low at 24yds and hit the buck extremely low I figured it must be me then tonight a week later a perfect 17yd shot both from a treestand 25ft up there is a major design flaw that you see shooting on level ground and its vertical movement in the string tracks especially aiming low bending at the waistline my son spotted the bottom wheel moving ever so slightly scratching my head is finally over it's a piece waiting for 2019 models my sons Triax I bought him those cams are rock solid and dont move
Everything matters, draw length/weight, arrows, how accurate you can shoot. I shoot with a pse, 1/4 the price of a brand new matthews bow. Speed is just an advantage
Kong Meng Her for sure, I may do video for why draw length, accuracy, and everything else matters...but for now I started with speed :) also that Triax has been tested as the quietest compound ever built, most like the most vibration free ever built and is in the top of hunting bow accuracy that I have ever owned. Great little package...pretty expensive too, like you mentioned! But boy the innovations...amazing
Whitetail Habitat Solutions you are correct. I wish I could lay my hands on a triax some day. Also id like to see videos on tips on hunting public land.
Kong Meng Her he has a couple videos on public land hunting already. He always has informative videos. Glad I stumbled upon him a year or two ago!
Brian Leeker thanks a lot for the continued support Brian, really appreciate it and I will try to keep the content coming! In fact, I have roughly 16 more to publish by the end of August...tis the season!
Kong Meng Her I think you can do a search on my channel? But I do have several public land articles and videos out...I hope that they help!
I think one of my latest is "5 signs you are over scouting public land"...let me know what you think! I think that's the one I shot while I was down in Ohio hunting public land.
Also you can check out "365 day trail cam rut forecast"...that was shot with strategies revolving around a trail cam I left on public land for entire year. There are a lot more than those though...in particular articles, and then a few more videos...
Recently found your channel. Great job love your videos. Keep it up! I'm curious to know your thoughts in single pin vs multi pin bow sights? Keep going what your doing. Unbelievably helpful with all your videos!
Kyle Rowles thank you very much Kyle!! I love my 3 pin Black Gold Sites...in fact I think it comes with either 4 or 5 and I take the other pins off. I like the 3 pin for 20, 30 and 40 yards. I wrote an article a few years ago I firmly believe in, title the 10 second bowhunting rule. Basically in typical wooded funnel type settings, I've found that a hunter has less than 10 seconds to age an animal, grab their bow, draw and fire. Certainly not enough time to adjust a single pin. I know there is a time and place but for quick shots in a lot of cruising situations I have a hard time letting go of my 3 pin setups. Hope that helps and thanks again for watching!
Whitetail Habitat Solutions thank you very much! Godbless
Kyle Rowles you are very welcome Kyle!
Do you believe vertical bow technology is reaching its pinnacle? How much more can they do to improve these bows?
Dathan Garfield it is amazing, isn't it? I think the main areas they can ever improve on are materials, weight and and efficiency. Placing more energy into the arrow/less into the bow, coupled with new materials...to me would ever increase the speed. But tolerances, noise, vibration...hard to imagine they can get much better..but I bet they will slightly. Efficiency, weight, materials and then speed as a result of this changes. It really is hard to imagine tho. I know the Triax is way more accurate than I am too, lol. Very happy with that bow...
IMO - We need a new limb material if we want to significantly improve arrow energy at this point. Lets be honest, we haven't seen a breakthrough technology in vertical bows in a while...and this is with some very bright engineers doing everything they can to get a lead on the competition. I've found internet forum threads showing bows with 350fps IBO back in 2008. So...as far as speed is concerned, we have been stuck for a while. As the video said though, they have made gains elsewhere. Vibrations, reliability, etc.
eclark53520 really good thoughts!
You've seen a boost in speed from the the Halon 32? We haven't seen that in our shop or league? The HTR yes but in most cases the Halon 32 seems a touch faster?
Tom Henrich yes I did, but that was from my setup...and I can't remember compared to the Halon either. But the HTR...very big difference! I actually like the Halon 32 very much too, but the Triax is my favorite hunting bow I have ever owned...and I've owned nearly all of the bows Mathews has produced since 92.
I want to say it was 6 or 7fps?
Thank you for your reply. I think based on your shorter dl the Triax is a great choice for you. I'm a 30" and the Triax was just too short with a lot of nock-pinch and head-tilt for me. Luckily Mathews has some great choices :-) generally speaking we've been seeing +1 to +3 fps on the 32 all other things being equal with the exception of putting both bows on a board to validate 'actual' dl. I guess in terms of statistical variation that's equal. The Halon series is what brought me back over to Mathews since the Z7 after years of shooting Hoyt. I like the direction Mathews has gone in recent years....
Tom Henrich great points! And a big difference for someone with a longer draw especially...iave been very happy with my halons and now th Triax
I like watching your habitat videos, but I disagree with you if you think speed matters, apparently you don't hunt with traditional gear. Speed don't kill accuracy does. They've been many a deer killed with 40 pound recurves and longbows.
Increases in speed allow aging archers Luke myself to reduce draw weight and still maintain the same level of KE. Also, increases in efficiency related to speed, decreases vibration and increase the safety and integrity of the bow.
As a traditional Archer it the same concept. Increases in speed can either push your KE up, or allow you to reduce draw weight. Didn't mention anything about killing in the entire video. Keep in mine for every 2fps a bow is increased in speed with the same draw weight, draw length and arrow weight, you can know 1 pound off a draw weight to equal the same KE. That is a very good thing for someone llwith creaking bones like myself...and anyone else who can appreciate hunting with a lower draw weight potentially as they age. Or heck even someone who appreciates more KE...
Whitetail Habitat Solutions i agree with what you're saying on that. It would help aging archers or someone with shoulder problems,but I still don't think speed matters. I'm shooting a 47# recurve with a 530 grain arrow and I'm getting complete pass throughs on deer and I'm sure I'm not shooting over 150fps.
You are certainly right, but did you watch the video? It has nothing to do with penetration or the ability of compounds or traditional archery to kill a deer. Speed translates into archers being able to shoot lower draw weights and not only be more accurate, but to be able to extend their use of vertical bows, enjoy hunting in cold weather more and to help ease their aching shoulders, backs, elbows whatever, by being able to drop their weight. My current bows at 61 pounds are equal to my bows of the late 80s at 100#s or more of draw weight. That is incredible! And what that speed and efficiency translates into is a huge advantage for today's bowhunter. With practice I could kill a deer with a spear traveling 20fps...but that's not the point. (no pun intended)
Whitetail Habitat Solutions yes I watched the video and I agree with a lot of what you said. It is amazing with what these newer bows are capable of, it seems like they're never gonna hit a plateau. They're always figuring out ways to make em better in every way possible. All in all, Speed doesn't matter, but I guess it does help if your trying to achieve to get the same ke, speed, etc out of a lower poundage bow that you couldn't achieve with the older bows.
A problem I'm seeing as I get closer to 100 is the lack of upper body strength. I absolutely love bow hunting and participate ever year however it becomes more difficult as the years pass by. I'm sure that I'm not the only one effected by this problem. I have Dailed back my bow poundage to address my problem. I have always have shot bows with somewhat aggressive cams which compounds my problem. I'm at a point right now that requires me to look for something with less aggressive cams and lower poundage but still have enough energy and speed to be effective. Would the bow you are videoing here be a candidate to consider?
1fps is only 0.682 miles per hour 17fps is only 11.54 mpg faster is still love my HTR especially using a Beestinger sport hunter running the back bar in the lower hole 3oz on rear 1oz on the front its extremely accurate and paperunes unbelievable breaks nocks without vanes bareshaft tuning
You're comparing apples to oranges here. A two cam bow is gonna be way faster than the no cam, which is basically a round wheel bow. If you want to compare apples to apples you should put the Triax up against the MR6 and you'll see the bows havent changed much over the years. BTW, if you want speed, shoot something other than Mathews. My bow with the same brace height IBO's 13 FPS faster than that Triax....and thats at true draw length. Mathews draws run long so they can fudge the speed rating.
I use a crossbow .
Well those are a bit faster 😉
The higher the IBO the heavier arrow you can shoot through it
Fast bow, not fast arrows. My elk arrows are 630 grains