High-End Bargain? Platimon Review!
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Mon Acoustic Platimon: monacoustic.us/product/platim...
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Test Equipment:
Preamp & Power Amplifiers:
Kinki Studio EX-P7: www.kinki-studio.com/ex-p7
Kinki Studio EX-B7 mono blocks: www.kinki-studio.com/ex-b7
Hegel H190: www.hegel.com/en/products/int...
Galion TS120 SE: www.galion-audio.com/collecti...
CHoco Sound EMEI: www.kinki-studio.com/product-...
Source: Bluesound Node 2i or Cambridge MXN10 Streamer
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(all music is hi-res streamed from Tidal)
DAC: Denafrips Ares II or Ares 12th-1
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Speaker & Power Cables: Maze Audio Ref4
www.mazeaudio.com/speaker-cabl...
(rest in peace Kent)
Interconnect Cables:
Analysis Plus Oval One RCA
Oyaide Tunami Terzo XX V2 XLR
analysis.plus/product/oval-on...
Your results may vary based on your ears, room, and associated equipment. - Věda a technologie
Very interesting, curious and fantastic review. It seems like a great product for the price. I enjoyed it. thanks
Great review Nemo. Fantastic that these perform superbly at both low and high volume. This is what I'm looking for and it's not so easy to find. What about directivity? Is the good sound preserved as you move about the room or is the "sweet spot" on the narrow side?
I didn't notice any directivity issues but my room is treated and I only have 1 chair in the middle but the stage overall seemed very wide to in my experience.
Nice review, make me want to hear them 😉
This is cool looking and awesome sound
Dayamm.....now I want these :). They look gorgeous. Very tough to find a bookshelf with 91db sensitivity - only seen mini-towers in that range. Since these are more resolving in the mid to upper frequencies I'm guessing it would pair nicely with a tube amp or my Bakoon Amp-13R (only 50wpc @4ohm) to add some body. I tried the supermon mini, but ultimately just want a simple setup 2 channel setup without requiring a sub. These might be what I was looking for....might pull the trigger. Similar in size to the Buchard S400MK2, except 3 inches taller.
Great review. Thanks for sharing.
anytime! hope it was entertaining or helpful :)
Sounds like you’ve answered my discord question…. I don’t need monoblocks, I need a pair of Platimon’s to improve on my Heco Celans sound. Ha ha ha! I’m such a sucker for an aluminium speaker too! 😅
Amazing review. And I believe everything you said!
that's possibly the best compliment you could have ever given. Thank you!
Another amazing review
thank you sir!
Please keep going off topic!
It’s the character of this channel.
I don't think I could stop the rants even if I tried :)
I am a person who uses Platymon in Korea. It matches what I felt when I used it
I saw a good video, so I'll subscribe to the channel.
Let's watch the next review
congrats, you own an excellent pair of speakers :)
Excellent review. Wondering how this might pair with my Luxman L-509X....
I believe you'd be doubling down on the same sound like I did when using Kinki Studio, as long as you have something in the chain that warms things up a bit like an R2R dac it should be a nice pairing that is mostly clarity focused.
Wow incredible review! Good to know you don't have to spend a fortune for this quality. Could you check out and consider reviewing, the Musician Audio Knight 1 speakers?
Muscian is a brand that seems to simply resell slightly different versions of Denafrips products. For that reason I prefer not to cover them.
I respect that decision 👍
They look awesome.
Great review, Nemo. They go down to 35hz on long port side. That makes them 35hz to 28000hz speakers. What a truly amazing speakers from the size.
i get the specs from the website :)
@@NemoPropaganda yeah the spec says 45hz but if you measure at the port, you get 35hz
@@newdevilman1167 I won't pretend to fully understand the math behind dual port tuning but I don't think what you're saying is the full picture.
Excellent!!!!
I hope one day you’ll be able to review the Perlisten R5M, which is a similar looking unit and price. Very curious to get your thoughts on a brand that is so hyped up by youtubers.
I'd probably review the smaller bookshelf at some point.
Hey Nemo, I’m building my next system and have selected the Platimon as my next speaker and also the Kinki ex-b7 mono blocks to power them - so watching your video about synergy gives me relief. It will be paired up to a Lumin S1 streamer/Dac. Wondering if you could talk more about sound characteristics and synergy compared to the Gallion amplifier, as I look at that previously before setting on the mono blocks.
Hi Javier, your preamp and dac will be the final factor in the overall synergy, Platimon & Kinki studio both have a sound that is all about clarity so you'll want something in the chain that adds some body, for my system that's a denafrips ares2 dac. As far as the Galion versus the Kinki sound it's pretty simple. Kinki is more about neutrality and a very refined sound while the Galion is a tube amp so it's going to have more flavor, more character, etc... Galion is not neutral sounding, the top end and bass region are closer to solid state but the midrange is all tube, tonally richer & more three dimensional than any SS amp around the same price. I liked both combinations a lot. if you want the more neutral sound go for the Kinki, if you want more flavor to the sound then go for the Galion, thomas is not subtle about his taste, he likes a sharp treble region and strong bass and that's how the Galion is tuned :). Lastly I'll say this, if you are not going to use the matching Kinki pre-amp and will instead use something more affordable I think its a waste and would suggest you go for the Galion instead. The kinki exb7 are amazing with the matching exp7.
Hello Nemo, thank you for your reply. I’m connecting the Kinki exb7 monoblocks directly to my Lumin since it has volume control, so no preamp needed, although it could be worth adding for the sound improvement.
@@javiersamayoa8 Normally I wouldn't do that but iirc that's a really expensive streamer so it should have a great preamp section.
Good morning! Been watching a lot of your vids, and I can say that you are probably the best speaker reviewer on youtube! Need a Small bit of advice. I’m running just a 2 channel setup with two Kef q550’s. Looking to get a sub to provide some bass. I mainly listen to music and only watch the odd movie. Could you recommend a smaller sub that is going to give me some tight , natural sounding bass. Any advice will be highly appreciated! And thank you , keep up the awesome work!!
one of my favorite reasonably priced & compact subs is the REL HT1003 MK2, it has great extension & output for the size. If you need something even more compact there is always the amazing KC62 but you'll have to reach deeper into your pockets for that.
Much appreciated! I will definitely give those a look! 👍🏽
Just checked. I can get the REL here in Canada for 930 dollars, which is quite reasonable. The KC62 is a little over 2000. The I’m gonna take your advice and go with the REL. Thanks once again!
Should compare them, if you can, with a pair of Acelec model one.
The Acelec model one also has a AMT tweeter, great bass driver (one of the most linear midwoofers available) and a CNC aluminum enclosure.
Price and performance are, in my opinion, on par.
that does look nice, the platimon does still seem like more speaker + stands for the money though I have not heard those Acelec so I'm not sure.
So being an objective and subjective guy (I stand in the middle), I checked out the frequency response of this Platimon VC One provided by Mon Acoustics. Looking at the graph it looked rather flat, until I saw the scale of the graph. There are 10db dips and peaks all over the critical midrange area which show this is one heavily voiced speaker, which coincides with all the interviews with the designer of this speaker that Ive watched. Great for people who buy what sounds great to them, a nightmare for people that value accuracy. Being someone that stands in the middle of the objective and subjective crowd, I can still accept 2 or 3db of 'voicing' variations but 10db and more is just too far out my objective comfort zone. Again, I dont know how accurate the graph is but it is provided by Mon Acoustics themselves.
I wonder how it measures in my room
@@nate_8403 nothing in your room will be as bad as to fix those huge 10db dips and peaks in the midrange, especially above Schroeder, although I must add it might sound mighty pleasant to your ears.
nothing wrong with that, I'm more of a "microphones aren't ears" kind of guy but ultimately the goal is we all enjoy our system so while we're on different paths we get to the same result :)
@@NemoPropaganda yup, whether you are a purely objective person, someone in between or a hardcore subjective guy, this hobby caters for everyone. I just cant bring myself to pay 6 grand for something that is not even near accurate, IF those graphs are right. For me, its always good to appreciate both sides. An objectively bad speaker will sound bad when it hits the bad spot, yet an objectively good speaker like the OG R3 from KEF sounded like crap to me. Sounds good to me but measures bad? Slap myself and ignore. Sounds bad to me but measures good? Walk the fuck away. Sound good and measures great? Buy 10. Everything has to go hand in hand. Thats just me. :)
@@-MarkWinston- well said my man, it's good that you take a balanced approach to things :)
sounds like I need to borrow those
Great run down!! Happy Saturday NEMO.. 🥰🥰
Thanks! You too!
Great review. As a novice to the hobby, I've been to a few audio shows and every time my favorite has a AMT. Can you explain why?? And can you get a speaker company called audiovector to review please.
I couldn't say, personally I usually hate AMT tweeters, this is one of the few I actually like. I tried revieweing audiovector but the dealer doesn't seem interested. We talked, exchanged emails, but nothing came of it.
@@NemoPropaganda I think going on this audio journey is understanding what you like or not. And I found out price has nothing to do with it, I own monitor audio silver which are really good enough. I've been to a few shows and I've never heard speakers and thought of they were rubbish. There are a lot of speakers that sit in the good enough section, but the ones that really sounded good to me are ones with AMT. Love your channel
@@Palindromeguy1 of course, my favorite speakers are $2k, those are the ones I use for myself.
Thanks!
I still think that either the Fritz Carbon7 or Carrara will be my next purchase, because I really want to experience a series crossover. Out of sheer masochistic curiosity though, would you put the performance of the Carbon7 (especially the mid-range) closer to the Heco Celan or the Platimon?
Considerably closer to the Platimon.
Awesome, thank you.
I'm going to have to start cutting back on Nemo's Propaganda, most of your reviews give me analysis paralysis as I try to spend my money as wisely as possible. 3 weeks ago nothing was getting purchased before I got a pair of Rythmik's FM8's, and now...
:~}@@NemoPropaganda
Nice!
Hey did you sound proof your room? To reduce sound leaks in and out
I don't that means what you think it means, if you want a sound proof room it must be built to be soundproof during the primary phases of construction.
Have you had an opportunity to hear Heco BellaDonna? Got to listen to them at Audio Advice. Curious how Platimon stacks up vs them. What about Source Point 10 vs Platimon?
no, the belladonna is not available in the US at this time so unless someone imports it theres no way to hear it. I'm guessing audioadvice only has that 1 pair, maybe they're considering bringing it to the US market. As far as the sourcepoint 10 I think we're pretty far away from seeing a speaker half the price dethrone the Platimon, the Fritz Carbon 7 has a lot of the same strengths so if you want something like the Platimon in terms of sound but it's price outside the budget the Fritz Carbon 7 MK2 SE is a great option. The Platimon was designed to go against Magico or YG, nothing cheaper will be better but personal taste can be a big factor so if you like a warm sound for example you me feel a more affordable speaker is better as the platimon is not warm at all.
Thanks brother. I picked up a pair of SP10’s new for 2k bc who can refuse them at that price. Love the slam on these compared to previous 6.5 to 8 inch bookshelfs including Dynaudio Contour 20 (which were too laid back for me). SP10 is pulling double duty as HT as well. At 2k is it futile to think about upgrading them to something that might cost me at least double? Disclaimer, I haven’t and won’t go crazy with audio gear. Put too much into my HT to spend that much again for 2 channel. Currently using my Denon 6700 with a Hypex based amp, and the most I’d consider doing is something like a NAD 399 w/ Dirac. My room is smallish (12x14) but well treated to extract every bit of imaging, clarity, and holographic potential, but it sucks out my mids a bit in the process, so room correction helps to flatten it back out.
May have missed it Nemo but did you test the performance close to a boundary?
my room is treated so I'm not sure if would be meaningful to test that.
I always hear the size of the box and for me, bigger is better, all things being equal. At that price, Tekton MOABs are what I would buy. My speaker boxes are 6' x 2' x 1'.
nothing wrong with that, everyone has their preference :)
Ever try the Buchardt Anniversary 10 / A10 ?
nope, only the A500.
I got so lucky a few months ago. I have been into audio from 13 years old. I have never had lots of thousands of money and if I did, I need to spend it on other thing like a newer car. So moving on , I picked up a pair of used ATC Boxer speaker untested off ebay. I picked them up from Real world studios. They had been in storage for some years. So they are unchanged as in everything is as it was and working perfect. Yes these are fairly old 33 to 35 years old. The down sides to this pair of speakers are, that they are big, ugly and extremely heavy. like need a forklift truck heavy. 4 stereo amps and crossovers are needed. But hay man, what a pair of speakers. I purchased them with the sole intention of selling them on as is or making new boxes for what works. I can not bring myself to part with them. They belong in a nigh club, a Hotel a pub, a venue because they are f+++ing loud. They also don't bother you when turned up. All of the midrange is fantastic. So here is were I am. Even if I had 10.000 grand for a pair of speaker and another 10,000 grand for amps and other equipment and I got some new stuff, I'm not convinced it will sound that much better if even at all. Another owner said the same thing. These speakers will give very expensive modern day speakers a run for there money. I love them very much.
These or Dynaudio Heritage? And would a Rotel Michi X3 be good enough? Thanks!
I don't know anything about the Heritage or Michi.
Rotel Michi X3 is very capable. Better than Denon.
Heritage, you should compare them. I have my opinion and answer, but you should find out yourself. 😅
Is there a resolving speker that´s dynamic and engaging under 1.000 (or maybe around that), which is not fatiguing? Still searching.
We all have different limits of what is fatiguing but a few to consider are the CSS Criton 1TDX, Dynaudio EMIT 10, Heco Celan is slightly over $1k but worth considering. The Dynaudio Emit 10 might be the one for you, it's treble is open, somewhat forward, open, airy, but it's attack is soft and easy on the ears. You room and reflections can be a big factor in fatigue also. I've found room treatment at the first reflection points can really help with that.
Thank´s a lot man, I will take a look at these and try some room treatment as well! Keep up the good work, love your chanel!@@NemoPropaganda
Your reviews make me want to spend more money. 😀
You and me both!
What would you say is a fair/ good price for a used rel t5i in good condition?
T5i? I probably wouldn't spend more than $350 on a used one personally. It's a great sub but it's a discontinued model so if it wasn't a great deal I'd rather get the newer T5X.
@@NemoPropaganda i know. it's precisely because of that i asked. thanks
@@NemoPropaganda just One more thing...😁 i ONLY listen to low/ moderate volume levels, in a small/ medium sized Room and i don't want a ton of extension down low. (i live in and apartment, so anything around 30hz should BE more than enough). i use the system 90% for music listening and i usually don't listen to bass heavy genres. do you you think ONLY One of these would be enough?
@@JoseFerreira-zb7wh its hard to answer a question like that because we all have different taste for how much bass is enough but based on what you're saying I think you could be happy with a single T5i as long as your room doesn't have any major issues.
The stands are now a $2,000 US option.
prices change, nothing I can do about that.
Say im upgrading from the s400 mk2.... what should i expect?
less bass, most spekers will have less bass the the S400 MK2 so no surprise there. Overall the sound is very opposite. Platimon is more open in the treble with better sepparation, detail, more refined, and better imaging. That trend follows into the midrange that is far more expansive. S400 MK2 is a warmer sound overall so the Platimon is going to sound tremendously more expansive overall from the midrange and up. The bass on the platimon is cleaner and tighter and platimon has better low volume perormance overall.
Okay, sounds like it's not for me. Really appreciate your reviews man.... I absolutely love them. And for replying to comments for that matter. Thanks
@@mikehuntington4440 it might be but it's definately NOT an evolution of the S400 MK2 sound. Anytime bro, I'm always happy to help!
looks like my arendal 1061 monitors, close enough :P
MTM can do amazing things just saying.
So I guess you are now a convert to a good AMT tweeter? They are amazing when done well, I now own the new Martin Logan XT F100 and they are an amazing full range speaker in every way. Cheap for under $5k out the door with incredible build quality and performance. i just need a better amp to run them.
BTW great review of what seems like an amazing pair of speakers
I guess so :) Most AMT sound fake to me, Mon does something special with them though and I love it!
I think Focal’s prices in North America are significantly higher than Europe. This speaker is about 4000-5000 euros I believe. I also think Focal has had several prices increases since they were acquired by a PE firm. It looks like the Mon acoustics is where real value lies and Focal,while good, isnt a real value proposition.
thank you for sharing that, I was unaware they had be aquired but that makes a lot of sense.
@@NemoPropaganda Try finding a used pair of focal electra 1008 be 2. That series was the last time focal was priced well. That model was replaced by both the sopra 1 and the kanta 1, where the electra 1008 is closer to the sopra 1.
Focal And Naim Audio were merged under the VerVent Audio Group in 2011 so I don't understand your comparison between PE and price points 12 years after that event - Focal have a huge range of speakers starting at less than £600 in the UK.
@@nelsonclub7722 alpha private equity acquired a stake in 2019. Which is around the time price increases happened. Im specifically talking about price increases in North America, which were quite large.
From what I can hear, I'll bet everything I love that you will buy these speakers, no ifs or buts. Bet?
mmm, I'm oddly financially responsible when it comes to audio, we'll see, I'm still thinking about it.
Ha now you know the answer! 😂
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Super impressive set for the price point.
Agreed!
These or Fritz carbon 7
it's kind of difficult to answer "this or that" questions with no context. What's your amplification & source?
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I would rather have heard them.
then go and buy them or schedule a dealer demo, I'm not sure what you expect me to do.
I really like them but made in the US with parts from Germany 🤔
No it is not my combination 🤢
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