If you've got an older Tyros or SX model and are wondering if you should upgrade to a second hand Genos - here are my thoughts. (for what they are worth).
Hi Leigh. Thank you for the context. Excited to see what the new generation delivers for the budget. Hoping for an updated Rotary Effect found on the newer Yamaha synths and stage instruments.
I just got a used Genos for a decent price month before news of G2. But I'm happy with the purchased. Astonish by the style, sound and many feature to explore!
Great video. The depth in the tones you showed was really good. I’m in between the montage, the genos and the fantom. I have trouble finding music shops where I can try them here in Norway. I have a little studio, and my Yamaha S90 got ruined this summer so looking for something to replace it. Thanks for getting me a impressionof the Genos.
I also have a fantom 7 and because Roland’s samples haven’t moved on they instrument sounds very 80s and not much more. Shame really because it’s beautifully made. Just needs some new voices that don’t sound old.
Hi Leigh, just to say thank you for all the hard work you put in showing us what Genos can do. You said that you would keep your old Genos if you purchased the new Genos 2, l am thinking the same but would like to link both together, would this be easy to do as I'm not very knowledgeable with midi.
Hi Leigh I have a Tyros 5 but awaiting the arrival of the Genos 2 and upgrading, I'm also am thinking of getting the Korg Pa5x as a second keyboard and linking them together, but apparently the system is a whole new learning curve so it might just be the Genos 2 that I will get. BTW the video's that you are putting up are very informative.
great channel! signed up! with great pleasure! think that I had Tyros 1, Tyros 3 and lastly the Tyros 5 and to save money at Christmas I got the used Genos from the shop! and it really makes a difference! compared to the old models! then we'll see if I'll move on to Genos 4! warm greetings from Italy Richi Riboldi
I just bought a brand new one for a very good price and switched from my T3. Being a pro for almost 20 years I don't really care for what new model would have to offer. After owning Genos for a few weeks I decided to keep it. I can say that it is everything I could ever wish. The ONLY thing I would like to have is seamless transition. But I also can live without that easy...
Hi Leigh, can you tell me what you were playing? It’s really familiar but I just can’t place it. Those expansion strings are fantastic btw, some of the nicest I have heard. 👍
Hey thanks for the video. I love your Channel. I was also wondering do you know if there is an autoharp voice available for Yamaha Genos anywhere? I would love to use one for country music.
One thing I would like to see on the yamaha Genos 2 is Auto-Change Registration performance track, like what the ELC-02 Organ has. Even the old EL900 had that feature. 😀
A million thanks for getting into the sounds without spending the first %80 of the time telling us just how good the piano sounds are. I have often replied to posts "If I wanted a piano I would buy a Steinway not an arranger workstation." I had a Genos for 26 days and sent it back. Too complicated with the touch screen at that time. I still have my Tyros4 and an SX700 (sent the SX900 back for the same reasons). and my PSR S970. The main problem I had (and still have with the SX) is that the registration bar on the top of the screen is too small for my fingers. I have to use a rubber pointer. Genos now?? Too heavy and too big to cart around. Ninety per cent of the people I play for would not know the difference between a Genos or my SX700. Thanks for posting your demo, most enlightening. Regards, Dennis.
In fact the SX 700 sounds amazing even my old PSR 9000 is fantastic and that thing is over 20 years old! Its in fact the musican that counts not the intrument
Thanks for this Leigh. I do hope you are correct about an abundance of Genos being for sale when G2 appears as I’m on the cusp of acquiring a second hand one. Although from recent enquiries it seems 2 1/2 K is the going rate for sellers. 😢
Just sold mine after 5.5 years… including the speakers and the Gator case. I put an order in for the Genos 2 and will hopefully have it right before Thanksgiving! 🦃 🎹 I also have a Genos at church… won’t upgrade that unless there is something I can’t live without.
It'd be cool if they added the after touch feature to have more control over vibrato for example, however I am not sure if this element is characteristic of arranger keyboards.
There is aftertouch in all rhe Tyros + the Genos. Problem is that they keep incorporating the vibrato into the tail of the multi sample so you are stuck with how much and the actual vibrato speed of the sound. This a ballance act as a LFO based vibrato is difficult to get to sound natural, while the sampled one often tend to be annoying even it sounds more authentic you get the exact same articulation each time you play it, and you can hear the speed change cause we still aren’t down to sampling each key with random articulations each time you restrike a key in arrangers. And most instrument presets is rarely programmed with an lfo controlled vibrato in the aftertouch. They primarily use the aftertouch for expression and opening the filter. I always wished they would put more samples in so you could have at least 2 versions of the same eg trumpet, one with buildin vibrato and one without. The sounds are still great sounding, but your out of luck if you would like a more subtile slow vibrato for a title, when it’s part of the samples.
I went into a big music store in Halifax and their branch in Bedford, Nova Scotia, Canada, just about a year ago and I had to tell them what it was. Another store in New Glasgow, Nova Scotia had never heard of it. So I wonder what the chances are they will have a second hand Genos for sale? It's a good bet anyone, private or store, will still want the price they paid for it.
Just bought last month a near mint used genos from my friend (hé bought the genos 2). Payed much lesser than the used shop price, and i love the sounds of the genos. Comming from de Roland G70 and Roland fa08. Even the Genos is hard to beat. Also many thx for your inspiring video's.. Greetings from Holland.
I have a MODX 8 and a PA700. I would leave the MODX8 on my desk but thinking about the GENOS... And this usually means I might buy a used one. New ones are SOOO expensive :( typical. Once I have extra money I don't have anymore :)
Yeah, Tyros 5s are a bit rare second-hand, so Genos might be "hens teeth," especially at a justifiable price. I bought my T5 with a very rare 2GB expansion ROM for $3,200 8 years ago and can easly get that now, so a Genos is going to plateau at about $4K. I just want to know if I'll miss anything by selling my T5. I didn't sell my PSR-s950 after acquiring the T5 because it had sounds i use that the Tyros didn't. Ugh Edit: Where have you seen a Genos for $1,700!? Can i be placed on some mailing list for when you see that again!?
From time to time I think about this, but I gave it up, to imitate a big orchestra. So the Tyros 3 I have is perfect, a Genos wouldn't do a better job.
If that is what you think, you should find a mate who has one and ask for if he/she would let you have a play. I had a PSR S9000 Pro and jumped for the T5 in a heartbeat. The Genos is heart and soul above the T5 and I hope the next Genos will be another great improvement. Give one a try, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
I changed my mind, because I used a Ketron SD90 for accompaniment, the number of different drum accompaniments is limited, when I use a Tyros 3 style with the SD90 drum kit, it sounds better, than the internal drums, but not so good, as Ketron drums. So I bought a used Genos 1, so it has everything of my PSR S970 and Tyros 3, it has also additional styles, I can also do style assembly, that a soft ballad can be in the bridge very powerful.
@@LeighWilbraham Everyone plays 'Lounge music on these keys-lets hear them ROCK--I bought a Korg Oasys when they first came out-$$$$$$--now they can be bought for about 2 grand ---BUT I think it's still the KING--we will see what happens with the GENOS
I have a genos for 3 months now, and I love it, I am happy with my genos 1. Thank you for the great videos on your channel.
Amazing video, walk-through and demo. Wow that Genos sounds amazing.
Hi Leigh. Thank you for the context. Excited to see what the new generation delivers for the budget. Hoping for an updated Rotary Effect found on the newer Yamaha synths and stage instruments.
Great video Leigh, it's hard to find more words to describe perfection, but I think you've found them over the Genos.
I just got a used Genos for a decent price month before news of G2. But I'm happy with the purchased. Astonish by the style, sound and many feature to explore!
Lol. Anyone who isn't happy with a Tyros 3 on up is just a glutton. Lol
Thanks! Was leaning towards KETRON Event - will wait for the Genos Two!
Great video. The depth in the tones you showed was really good. I’m in between the montage, the genos and the fantom. I have trouble finding music shops where I can try them here in Norway. I have a little studio, and my Yamaha S90 got ruined this summer so looking for something to replace it. Thanks for getting me a impressionof the Genos.
I also have a fantom 7 and because Roland’s samples haven’t moved on they instrument sounds very 80s and not much more. Shame really because it’s beautifully made. Just needs some new voices that don’t sound old.
Hi Leigh
That's the first demo of a Genos That's made me think ermm i quite like that!
Thank you so much.
Brilliant sound and excellent playing!
Thank you.
Hi Leigh, just to say thank you for all the hard work you put in showing us what Genos can do. You said that you would keep your old Genos if you purchased the new Genos 2, l am thinking the same but would like to link both together, would this be easy to do as I'm not very knowledgeable with midi.
Hi Leigh I have a Tyros 5 but awaiting the arrival of the Genos 2 and upgrading, I'm also am thinking of getting the Korg Pa5x as a second keyboard and linking them together, but apparently the system is a whole new learning curve so it might just be the Genos 2 that I will get. BTW the video's that you are putting up are very informative.
Korg is very different to the Yamaha. Much more complicated and complex to use.
great channel! signed up! with great pleasure! think that I had Tyros 1, Tyros 3 and lastly the Tyros 5 and to save money at Christmas I got the used Genos from the shop! and it really makes a difference! compared to the old models! then we'll see if I'll move on to Genos 4! warm greetings from Italy
Richi Riboldi
Congratulations
very tanks @@LeighWilbraham
I just bought a brand new one for a very good price and switched from my T3. Being a pro for almost 20 years I don't really care for what new model would have to offer. After owning Genos for a few weeks I decided to keep it. I can say that it is everything I could ever wish. The ONLY thing I would like to have is seamless transition. But I also can live without that easy...
CAN YOU SELL ME THAT TYROS 3?
@@ericmwitimwiti3963 I already sold it...
The Genos doesn’t have seamless transition?
@@Robin_S78 No...
Hello Leigh. Very interesting this presentation. Thanks. 😎
Greetings from Edgar, Berne (Switzerland)
Thank you
Hi Leigh, can you tell me what you were playing? It’s really familiar but I just can’t place it. Those expansion strings are fantastic btw, some of the nicest I have heard. 👍
Hey thanks for the video. I love your Channel. I was also wondering do you know if there is an autoharp voice available for Yamaha Genos anywhere? I would love to use one for country music.
One thing I would like to see on the yamaha Genos 2 is Auto-Change Registration performance track, like what the ELC-02 Organ has. Even the old EL900 had that feature. 😀
You can do this using iPad and software called Camelot.
@@LeighWilbraham
Interesting!
I will check it out 👍
A million thanks for getting into the sounds without spending the first %80 of the time telling us just how good the piano sounds are. I have often replied to posts "If I wanted a piano I would buy a Steinway not an arranger workstation." I had a Genos for 26 days and sent it back. Too complicated with the touch screen at that time. I still have my Tyros4 and an SX700 (sent the SX900 back for the same reasons). and my PSR S970. The main problem I had (and still have with the SX) is that the registration bar on the top of the screen is too small for my fingers. I have to use a rubber pointer. Genos now?? Too heavy and too big to cart around. Ninety per cent of the people I play for would not know the difference between a Genos or my SX700. Thanks for posting your demo, most enlightening. Regards, Dennis.
Glad you enjoyed the video
In fact the SX 700 sounds amazing even my old PSR 9000 is fantastic and that thing is over 20 years old! Its in fact the musican that counts not the intrument
@@christiansanden8005 it helps
Good advice Leigh, especially as I'm guessing the Genos 2 will be around £5000 retail. Although nobody pays that ? Right ? 😂
Thanks for this Leigh. I do hope you are correct about an abundance of Genos being for sale when G2 appears as I’m on the cusp of acquiring a second hand one. Although from recent enquiries it seems 2 1/2 K is the going rate for sellers. 😢
Where do you see a Genos going for around $2.5K?
@@philphil4295 eBay … in fact the last time I looked there were about four at or around that price.
Just sold mine after 5.5 years… including the speakers and the Gator case. I put an order in for the Genos 2 and will hopefully have it right before Thanksgiving!
🦃 🎹
I also have a Genos at church… won’t upgrade that unless there is something I can’t live without.
It'd be cool if they added the after touch feature to have more control over vibrato for example, however I am not sure if this element is characteristic of arranger keyboards.
There is aftertouch in all rhe Tyros + the Genos. Problem is that they keep incorporating the vibrato into the tail of the multi sample so you are stuck with how much and the actual vibrato speed of the sound. This a ballance act as a LFO based vibrato is difficult to get to sound natural, while the sampled one often tend to be annoying even it sounds more authentic you get the exact same articulation each time you play it, and you can hear the speed change cause we still aren’t down to sampling each key with random articulations each time you restrike a key in arrangers. And most instrument presets is rarely programmed with an lfo controlled vibrato in the aftertouch. They primarily use the aftertouch for expression and opening the filter. I always wished they would put more samples in so you could have at least 2 versions of the same eg trumpet, one with buildin vibrato and one without. The sounds are still great sounding, but your out of luck if you would like a more subtile slow vibrato for a title, when it’s part of the samples.
I went into a big music store in Halifax and their branch in Bedford, Nova Scotia, Canada, just about a year ago and I had to tell them what it was. Another store in New Glasgow, Nova Scotia had never heard of it. So I wonder what the chances are they will have a second hand Genos for sale? It's a good bet anyone, private or store, will still want the price they paid for it.
Thanks for the video! 🎹
👋🤗
What is the beautiful piece you first play? It is so moving.
Sorry, "it's like a sledgehammer to crack a not" has me weak!
Just bought last month a near mint used genos from my friend (hé bought the genos 2).
Payed much lesser than the used shop price, and i love the sounds of the genos. Comming from de Roland G70 and Roland fa08. Even the Genos is hard to beat.
Also many thx for your inspiring video's..
Greetings from Holland.
I just bought a second hand one.
Maybe I can afford one of these in a year when the used market has lots of them.
You are true genius!
I have a MODX 8 and a PA700. I would leave the MODX8 on my desk but thinking about the GENOS... And this usually means I might buy a used one. New ones are SOOO expensive :( typical. Once I have extra money I don't have anymore :)
If I can get one cheap enough? I’d buy it!
I would consider a genos,guess I could get a controller for the weighted keys I want
Please what theme song did you play?
hey :) where did you get those beautiful strings?
What about accessories for the Genos? Does it fit safely onto the L7 stand made for the Tyros series?
Great video. Where can I get those string sound packs and are they compatible with the sx900?
Www.soundpacks.co.uk search for epic strings. And the genos pack will load into the SX900
How soon after Nov. 15th will you be doing a Genos 2 update report?
As soon as I have one in my hands I’ll do a review.
@@LeighWilbraham GOOD DEAL! I'll be waiting on pins and needles!
I will!
Yeah, Tyros 5s are a bit rare second-hand, so Genos might be "hens teeth," especially at a justifiable price. I bought my T5 with a very rare 2GB expansion ROM for $3,200 8 years ago and can easly get that now, so a Genos is going to plateau at about $4K. I just want to know if I'll miss anything by selling my T5. I didn't sell my PSR-s950 after acquiring the T5 because it had sounds i use that the Tyros didn't. Ugh
Edit:
Where have you seen a Genos for $1,700!? Can i be placed on some mailing list for when you see that again!?
EBay UK.
Got mind today to i have to have a degrees of some kind to turn on .wow
Minɛ today darn spell check and my bad eyes and typing screen is great rest is hard for me.
Hello, what is the pack on your site where there is the sound of mr rieu violin, thank
It’s only available to members of genos club. Www.patreon.com/genosclub
From time to time I think about this, but I gave it up, to imitate a big orchestra. So the Tyros 3 I have is perfect, a Genos wouldn't do a better job.
If that is what you think, you should find a mate who has one and ask for if he/she would let you have a play. I had a PSR S9000 Pro and jumped for the T5 in a heartbeat. The Genos is heart and soul above the T5 and I hope the next Genos will be another great improvement. Give one a try, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
@@davidperry2306 brilliantly put Dave
I changed my mind, because I used a Ketron SD90 for accompaniment, the number of different drum accompaniments is limited, when I use a Tyros 3 style with the SD90 drum kit, it sounds better, than the internal drums, but not so good, as Ketron drums.
So I bought a used Genos 1, so it has everything of my PSR S970 and Tyros 3, it has also additional styles, I can also do style assembly, that a soft ballad can be in the bridge very powerful.
Hi Leigh ....Next Keybord ..Will Be???
Genos 2
How to move stiles from play list to registrion memory buttons
Playlist is built from registration memory buttons.
No need to buy a Genos 2, this thing sounds amazing, maybe some day…
how much Sir Leigh
I think the genos 2 will be similar features as the electone stagea 02 better keyboard problem is the price probably 5 grandplus
WOW!!!! 😳
Cost how much
I sold my pa3x and bought a used Genos.
And what do you think by comparison.
@LeighWilbraham it's night and day the Pa3x sounds very dated I'm blown away by this instrument.
And not to mention the huge library of styles available for it.
@@Denvermorgan2000 take a look at www.patreon.com/genosclub
@LeighWilbraham I joined I appreciate all these videos and I like to help.
You'd better off buying a second hand cp88 and an SX900. You will have the best of both worlds.
But then you have the mess of cables and nothing working together perfectly.
Very nice keyboard and sounds but i stick with my Korg Kronos 2
That’s not an arranger but thanks for your comment.
No its a music workstation :)@@LeighWilbraham
@@Tupac_Shakur-NL my point being it has no arranger features like Genos. Completely different instrument.
Exellent keyboard
My question IS-----WILL IT ROCK_______
He’ll yeh
@@LeighWilbraham Everyone plays 'Lounge music on these keys-lets hear them ROCK--I bought a Korg Oasys when they first came out-$$$$$$--now they can be bought for about 2 grand ---BUT I think it's still the KING--we will see what happens with the GENOS
@@crazypainter56 Oasys isn’t an arranger - completely different instrument.
I know--but the point is -it was a top of the line -keyboard for it's time and when the Kronos came along the price dropped big time @@LeighWilbraham
@@crazypainter56 the same with everything when a new model comes out - sadly.
Genos 2 is $5700