Advice To Artists On Finding An Agent - Shane Stanley
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- Shane Stanley is a producer/author/instructor/screenwriter known for numerous film and television projects including Desperate Passage (1987) starring Michael Landon, The Desperate Passage Series (1988 to 1995) starring Sharon Gless, Edward James Olmos, Marlo Thomas and Louis Gossett Jr. Street Pirates (1994), Gridiron Gang (2006) starring Dwayne Johnson and Xzibit, A Sight for Sore Eyes (2004) with Academy Award nominee, Gary Busey. Shane is also the author of WHAT YOU DON’T LEARN IN FILM SCHOOL: A Complete Guide To (Independent) Filmmaking.
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I could listen to this guy all day.
Hi Lon, this is our first clip from a new interview with Shane. Excited to share more. Our first interview was over 3 hours long. So if you haven't seen it, here is the link - czcams.com/video/VBcQVQ2ZaMI/video.html : )
I’ll become an agent and then sell my own script and take full cut!
😂
I know ppl who did that in publishing industry.
He's right about having 3 or 4 spec scripts ready but you have to write what they need. Through a producer friend I got a meeting with a well-known producer who does family friendly religious theme TV and movies. After talking a while we both realized i was a bad fit. I had written only horror scifi fantasy and action scripts. Nice guy and we parted on good terms but i basically said I don't think my work is for you and I can't write what you want. And he totally agreed.
Who is this person?? I've got a script for him!
I would like to know who he is
Y'all need to get George Lucas on the channel.
lmao
I loved this interview! Shane is a reality-driven speaker.
Thanks Bill, much more to come!
The most effective speaker so far in the Film courage I have ever seen. Hats off to Shane stanely with a hat.
Nice, look forward to sharing more of this one.
@@filmcourage very kind of you for the encouragement. Thanks again Film corage
I was demotivated recently particularly about the difficulty in finding agents but this has totally energised me. Great video. Go out & create create create!
These videos are so insightful even to non-filmmaking creatives. Thank you!
Thanks Mike, great to see these videos helping you on your creative journey.
Great, real, real advice! I am keeping this for my collection of the Best of the Best! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Sounds great and not super negative or harsh 🙂
Glad it was helpful!
@@alexbradley5835 Yes, exactly! 👍
@@filmcourage Your channel is a treasure trove! Thank YOU!!! 👍😁👍
This is some solid advice. I'm 2 scripts in going to get to 4 before I start pitching.
Welcome back Shane! I'm glad to see you again :) Can't wait to hear what you have to tell us this time
Nice! We had another great interview with Shane. We got some fun stories and a lot of information that we think will help other filmmakers. Excited to share more.
@@filmcourage It would be great if you would create second channel for Clips only and leave main channel with whole interviews and release everything at the same time. Do you think you could do it?
Great video!
He's absolutely right.
Hey alright! More Shane Stanley advice you can immediately apply! I really enjoyed that last interview.
We had another great interview with Shane. Excited to share more.
Now we’re talking :)
Given that there are actually quite enough talented aspiring artists around and one doesn’t really have to deal with the ‘gate keepers’ today, it’d become a new renaissance, new New Hollywood or something. Like…in theory. The problem is that it’s not just about making a movie. It’s also about distribution, marketing etc. The marketing budget of a major studio flick is often about as big as its production budget. The marketing budget of an indie film is often about as big as zero. It’s like everybody gathers together in the town’s square and everyone can have their word. But it’s happening simultaneously. And some are chanting in choirs and using megaphones, whereas others are left to the humble devices of their singular voice. That is to name just one thing …
I love this. There's been so much talk about branding yourself by gearing your writing toward a specific genre in order to be sold as a writer. If you can diversify your stock portfolio, you sure as hell can diversify your writing, especially if you feel you have a great idea. Whether or not it will sell is another thing.
He dropped so many gems in the second half of this interview 💎
This right here is essential! Shane with the #gems. Gotta go in the gym and take shot after shot to get better.
juice, he's got the juice...
Agents are overrated anyway. I am a creative and I get lots of work without ever having an agent. You just need to put yourself out there, exceed the clients expectations every time and trust that the word will spread.
He means actual writing. Yes, you do need an agent.
@@Nautilus1972 As a filmmaker, I am getting along just fine without an agent. But then again, I am not writing big motion pictures. I don’t think that should be your goal to begin with. You start making these small shorts and work with brands to create video content, give them more than they expect, build your portfolio, work hard and one day soon the agents will chase you because you just started making more money than them. After that you can write for the big screen.
Agents are not looking for people who are simply talented. They are looking for people who are both talented and working hard! They want to see you can make it without them, that’s when they become truly interested. In the end agents just want to make a profit. So just count them out, do your thing and work hard and talk to the right people.
I don’t think writing for different genres is as “outside your box” as most people think. You’re writing stories with diverse characters and each one could fit in a different genre if they had their own story, ya know? Does that make sense?
Yes, it does. I think the genre is just the context where your story develops. Your characters still have to be tridimensional, whether their story happens during a post-apocalyptic situation or a college campus, is just circumstance.
I feel like your setting still affects what sort of characters you WANT to bring into a given setting, though. In other words, which characters can “reach their full potential” inside of that world
If say, we write about a woman who’s a high-powered executive doors at work but a scared, submissive wife at home, there’s an interesting contrast we can now play around with.
But put that same woman alone in a forest cabin. All of a sudden, her indoor/outdoor duality doesn’t really pull its weight anymore, because there’s no longer any other humans to reflect that contrast off of IMO. Just seems like a waste of brainstorming energy 🤷♂️
@@corpsefoot758 being a high powered executive and submissive at home are setting specific things that reflect deeper parts of her personality that can still be explored in other ways. You being shy doesn't just affect how you react to people, it affects how you think and do other things in your life. Makes sense?
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I feel like that’s a bit of a cop-out though lol, if I claim that interpersonal shyness “hints at deeper things”, then we’re obviously going to be focusing ON those other things exclusively moving forward. And not the shyness itself whatsoever
Which was basically my point
*Edit:* Not to mention a lot of people have contradictory qualities, it’s not like the exterior always reflects the interior as well
For example, I know multiple people who are nice to strangers and even stray animals, but also beat their own kids. There isn’t really any “deeper reflection”
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This advice is golden. Simon Pegg once described how when he was writing for Star Trek that he had to remind himself how he didn't have to worry about what was being written, that the production team and post would handle his wildest imagination. THIS IS TO BE AVOIDED. Taking the time to know that your content is practical as well as exceptional is better by far than putting the cart before the horse.
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How essential are agents and managers to someone starting their careers?
Not very essential at all. Go out and do something, make some noise.
Not essential for someone who is truly talented and willing to work hard. They only become relevant at a much later stage in your career.
It's all about connections, so you do not necessarily need an agent or manager. I wrote screenplays off and on for 20 years before I got a break through a friend who was in the business in Thailand and got me two writer for hire jobs doing horror movies that got made. Of course I had experience and had to prove I could write by showing them a few of my spec scripts. And the director insisted on peering over my shoulder the whole writing process, so I had to send him pages every day or two as I finished. But ti turned out to be a mostly good experience. As for needing an agent or manager, he's right that many writers get their own jobs by themselves. If you have an agent or manager you might get a bigger pay day, but you still have to give them a cut.
According to this interview? It had a tone of don't bother..
Love these videos, thank you! 💀🔥
Glad you like them! We had another great interview with Shane and we are excited to share more.
@@filmcourage he’s fantastic, please tell him and your crew thanks from all of us artists! 💀🔥❤️
Cheers!
You have to get out and network. The days of sitting home and sending out queries is dead. Over 45,000 scripts are submitted each year to the WGA. Let that sink in.
Does this mean that, even as a beginner, one must be able to write different genres even when you feel more comfortable with one and you're just getting started?
I suspect that he would say first write a script that is worth someone's attention (in my case that has taken years) and then expand to other genres.
A beginner writer..... isn’t a writer.
@@Nautilus1972 oh kay, the authority on writers has spoken.
@@miketan5603 LOL
But what about people who love to write big stories, but doesn't want to 'waste' them to promote himself instead of the story?
Don't wait to be picked!
There's nothing like "no money". (But still, that's no excuse and he's right. )
Non US citizen here.
A few questions here:
Is it compulsory for an Actor or Screenwriter (after their membership in their respective guilds) to have an Agent? Can they hire an Agent, or does the Agent decide to take them in?
Can they not go directly to a Casting Agent firm/Production House and pitch themselves for a project?
If an actor/screenwriter makes a few audition tapes/scripts across genres, can it be pitched to the Agent/Production House?
So basically the key for being a working writer is to write whatever is being asked for by studios and trends. If this is true, sounds really sad for a screenwriter who has something specific to say. Maybe that is why we have someone like Sylvester Stallone in 2022 saying "Rocky would not be produced by todays film industry".
Am I here because I've seen BREAK EVEN directed by this gentleman. No.
Am I here because Master Class is about $100 a video. Yes.
A first-time writer who knows nothing about the film/TV world, hoping to not have his ideas stolen when pitching it to film/TV people, is similar to a little old woman who knows nothing about cars, hoping to not be over-charged when she takes her car in to be repaired by a mechanic.
I have no money, no resources and hardly any time so I make "machinima" content, and what game gives me the most freedom with map making and emotes? ...Fortnite... I'm also 35, I just can't give up but I feel like the most pathetic piece of dirt
I hate to bust people's balls because I'm a fan of FILM COURAGE, but occasionally they'll invite someone on the show who is (upon further inspection) basically producing, directing and/or writing crappola, and then giving advice to others 😂 😏
Well, this channel has probably a pretty long way to go before they sit down for a little chat with Michael Mann :). But at least Shane doesn't sell you anything. And his advise seems to make perfect sense. If aspiring filmmakers, who want to go beyond producing/directing/writing purely commercial "crappola", joined forces, they might have a minuscule chance to win back some space. It would take lots of them, however. And they're going to have to actually come up with their stuff ...
Hi Christian, we appreciate your support over the years. Not everyone we have interviewed has achieved the level of success Shane has achieved which includes making the #1 movie at the box office - czcams.com/video/94U-Ody09ZI/video.html Maybe his career is not the one you want but Shane has worked in Hollywood on Hollywood projects and in the end he has found a way forward where he makes the kind of movies he wants to make outside the Hollywood system. We'd imagine a good of amount people who watch this channel wish they could make the movies they want to make year after year whether they were big Hollywood films or not.
@@filmcourage Just so we're clear... My comment was more directed at the QUALITY of content, or lack thereof in many cases. I am simply amazed at the number of mediocre films that get greenlit every year!! Movies that are too formulaic, chock-full of stereotypes, dialogue that falls flat on its face, gratuitous scenes that are purely exploiting sex & violence, not to better serve the story, but because sex & violence sells.
Folks that write, direct and/or produce those types of movies and then go on to give advice to others is puzzling to me, Lol! I believe very strongly that if you are one of the fortunate few who gets to write, direct and produce -- big or small, inside or outside the Hollywood system (it doesn't matter) -- then you should make it your mission to write the best effing story ever!! At the very least, give your story some depth!!
Anyways, my apologies for opening my big mouth. I have a bad habit of telling it like it is and people hate that 🤨😆😉
We hate to bust balls but your channel has no content so we are not sure if you are a filmmaker or not. The purpose of this channel is to inspire others to create. We interview people at all levels of the film industry to prove that you can make movies no matter where you are starting from. If there is a lack of quality of content then stop complaining about it and go out and make something better. People who make movies aren't fortunate, they are the ones who do it because they have to. We have the utmost respect for someone like Shane who has been making movies for 30+ years.
@@filmcourage Oh relax!! I'm having an open and honest conversation with you and you're getting your panties all up in a bunch 😏This is the problem with Social Media nowadays: the only thing that's acceptable is PRAISE. If you're audacious enough to critique or criticize, you're gonna get a whole lot of hate!!
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