HUNTING JORDAN & LEBRON ROOKIES! 🔥 OPENING 1986 FLEER & 2003-04 TOPPS CHROME BASKETBALL!

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  • I am opening 1986 Fleer & 2003-04 Topps Chrome Basketball Hobby packs with the hopes of finding Michael Jordan and LeBron James rookie cards for our next sports card pack break/unboxing! The Fleer MJ rookie and LBJ Topps Chrome RC are two of the most iconic sports cards. At the National Sports Collectors Convention/NSCC, I was part of an event with Whatnot where we opened these boxes to try and pull those cards! What are some big boxes we should open next?
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  • @PackmanCards
    @PackmanCards  Před rokem +14

    What are some other big boxes you want to see us open???
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    • @xxsavagegamersxx9992
      @xxsavagegamersxx9992 Před rokem +1

      @LithuanianGeographer he opened a pack of eminence NFL! Can’t get much more high end than that haha

    • @NYC-SA-Mike
      @NYC-SA-Mike Před rokem

      How about a 1952 Topps high number series wax box?

    • @brushben22
      @brushben22 Před rokem

      I’ve been doing this for a very long time and though I worked in authentication for a short time I can’t guarantee it but that box seems very tampered with in multiple ways. Let me know if even 1 Jordan comes out

    • @brushben22
      @brushben22 Před rokem

      I see the Jordan’s came out but they are all no bueno. The duplicates were printed what looks like at diff times and Something seems off with the multiples that appeared ?? Idk 🤷‍♂️

    • @dougnishino1385
      @dougnishino1385 Před rokem

      Great content!! 👍 As always.

  • @JasonAaronGoldberg
    @JasonAaronGoldberg Před rokem +12

    Some collation shenanigans in those packs. Very odd.

  • @20byrd
    @20byrd Před rokem +11

    Now, whenever I see a BBCE wrap, I assume Steve Hart has already searched the box and replaced anything good in it.

  • @ricecakejohnson
    @ricecakejohnson Před rokem +26

    Every pack you open in the 86 Fleer was fire(other then the last pack). Both of the Barkleys are in awesome shape and great centering, and the Hakeem was also in great shape. Not to mention those packs also had Bird and Magic in it. I would def grade those Barkley and Hakeem cards if I was the winner.

    • @PackmanCards
      @PackmanCards  Před rokem

      No Jordan, but happy we were able to pull some other big cards!

    • @ValueTowny
      @ValueTowny Před rokem +2

      Sadly for the price of a box you only want that jordan.. and im grading condition

  • @snarkyguy2657
    @snarkyguy2657 Před rokem +20

    Sooo...does anyone want to talk about the "alphabetic" streaks in those 86-87 Fleer packs? I don't remember ever seeing that before. 🤨

    • @DT_123
      @DT_123 Před rokem

      Yes. It was searched and it’s all crooked. We will be blocked.

    • @NYC-SA-Mike
      @NYC-SA-Mike Před rokem +1

      Very astute. I didn't remember the sequence number and variation but "knew" something was off when I saw them in alpha order. 👍

    • @DT_123
      @DT_123 Před rokem +10

      @@NYC-SA-Mike BBCE is making a joke of themselves

    • @ericflynn6541
      @ericflynn6541 Před 2 měsíci +1

      That's because it's never in a sealed box. That was a searched box

  • @chuckmcbuckets6011
    @chuckmcbuckets6011 Před rokem +4

    Obviously a resealed box..and you know so packman..you should have called them out!

    • @PackmanCards
      @PackmanCards  Před rokem

      I’ve never opened this stuff before so wasn’t sure how the configuration was supposed to be despite it being odd. Regardless, gonna see what I can find out about all this and will update you guys if I find any info

    • @NYC-SA-Mike
      @NYC-SA-Mike Před rokem +2

      @@PackmanCards I'm sure that the purchasers of the box have contacted Steve Hart - since there's video evidence that the box was opened on stage and it falls back to Hart to make good on this? Not sure what else "can" be done about it. I'm more than confident you had nothing to do with it.

  • @patrickmiskelly5913
    @patrickmiskelly5913 Před rokem +1

    Great pulls, thanks for your participation in the event

  • @johnarco1979
    @johnarco1979 Před rokem +24

    Imagine that last pack with all the duplicate cards having two Jordans 😂

    • @PackmanCards
      @PackmanCards  Před rokem +5

      That would have to be the best pack ever made

    • @KMK623
      @KMK623 Před rokem +2

      @@PackmanCards the scammers wouldn’t do that, guess they were lucky to get 3 low grade Jordan’s out of that lol. BBCE improved though no GI Joe cards 😂. Wouldn’t be surprised if the chrome was searched as well.

  • @biscuitball7341
    @biscuitball7341 Před rokem +2

    Insane hunt!

  • @Billionaireben
    @Billionaireben Před 23 dny

    Those 86FL were odd packs, first 2 were almost identical; third one had several doubles. If you press in you can sometimes see the back sticker name, perhaps look to see if theres 2-3 Jordan back stickers in the box. Nice to get 2 Barkley's. I'm working on signed sets of 86 FL basketball and 91 Desert Shield baseball (partial), with Fleer it's a 1/12 shot at a Jordan RC and 1/11 shot at a sticker of him; so those packs are fire; not a pack buyer but DS cards are better bought direct even though there's over 100 living stars in the set (I have both Ken Griffey Jr cards expected shortly which will finish the part of the set I planned; no Gwynn/Puckett/Bonds but otherwise pretty heavy and if I sell it I can focus, lol.)

  • @StringCheese13
    @StringCheese13 Před rokem +1

    Crazy opening🔥🔥🔥

  • @storytimewithunclebill1998

    That had to be so much fun. Got some really nice cards in 86. Was fun to watch. Great video

    • @PackmanCards
      @PackmanCards  Před rokem +1

      It was a blast! Can’t believe I got to open those packs

  • @danielrenn4332
    @danielrenn4332 Před rokem +5

    So close to 200k you deserve it!! Love the content, I hope you get to 1 million fast

  • @micahwaldrop8208
    @micahwaldrop8208 Před rokem +1

    Was waiting for the upload. Good one man!

  • @bencarter5555
    @bencarter5555 Před rokem +26

    Does anyone else think those 86 fleer looked like they were probably gone thru before. Shouldn't they have been sequenced and not have duplicates like that in the same packs?

    • @barrywolf2145
      @barrywolf2145 Před rokem +3

      not with 3 jordans in the box, that was factory fresh

    • @dajlist1973
      @dajlist1973 Před rokem +11

      @@barrywolf2145 Wrong. Every pack was sequential, which is not how this product was produced. The gum fell off everything, there was one pack that had multiple duplicates. Someone went through the box and replaced the key cards with lower grades thinking they would never get found. The idiots didn't think that they needed to repack the cards in the correct order.

    • @dajlist1973
      @dajlist1973 Před rokem +6

      It was gone through. This isn't how the product was manufacturered.

    • @jamvan1000
      @jamvan1000 Před rokem +4

      Yup, someone else did a vid showing how these where reseals

    • @KMK623
      @KMK623 Před rokem +4

      @@barrywolf2145 wrong it’s proven it was a scam, whatnot has some explaining to do lol, all these influencers were playing it off too, I’m sure they were in on it

  • @gamedaylegends515
    @gamedaylegends515 Před rokem +2

    Nice rips brotha! Thank you for sharing

  • @wingwangclan7202
    @wingwangclan7202 Před rokem +4

    Bro your a Smart Guy why cant you admit that the Fleer Box is Bogus... NO WAY IT EVER GOES IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER!!!

    • @PackmanCards
      @PackmanCards  Před rokem

      I’ve never opened this stuff before so while it was odd, just assumed it may have been like that sometimes. Regardless, did some digging and will share the info today on IG!

  • @Oz1976
    @Oz1976 Před rokem +3

    That last pack was freaking brutal.

  • @default9366
    @default9366 Před rokem

    Factory print glitches occurred often with Fleer back in the day. I remember Topps had the same issue with 1986 Hockey packs. You'd occasionally get double cards. The reason you don't see it as much. Alot of these packs are uncommon. Rare. Most people don't open them and if they do they've already been searched. The factory ones have glitches like this one. Double cards. Proper sequence. Where you always see a Larry Bird with a Charles Barkley or Johnny Moore or Chris Mullin. You always see Jordan with Clark Kellogg.

  • @DrDanDungus
    @DrDanDungus Před rokem +2

    Would love to see you open some older product more often!

  • @GreatLakesBreaks
    @GreatLakesBreaks Před rokem +1

    Saweet! Loved seeing it at the national - jake

  • @jiminfla5951
    @jiminfla5951 Před rokem +3

    Those packs had already been searched

    • @emirkulovic713
      @emirkulovic713 Před rokem +1

      They were sealed and guarded by security 24/7 at the National!
      That would be like going to Washington Museum in DC and saying is fake Washington stuff there 🙄

    • @erickmartinez8610
      @erickmartinez8610 Před rokem +2

      @@emirkulovic713 they were searched and resealed before the show. See sports card radio videos on this.

  • @cardgame_mla2198
    @cardgame_mla2198 Před rokem +1

    So intense... That's hot if pull MJ 86 cards. wooooh....

  • @chadcrist8204
    @chadcrist8204 Před rokem +12

    I cant believe those Jordan's are 7,7,6. That's definitely psa trying to control pop count. I thought 8 would be the lowest if possible and that last one being a at least a 9. Centering looked pretty good.

    • @DroidsKickball
      @DroidsKickball Před rokem +11

      The box was repackaged. They put low grade Jordan's in there to make it look good. The problem is they didn't repackage the cards in the correct collation, and were dumb enough to make them all sequential. This was fraud.

    • @DT_123
      @DT_123 Před rokem +1

      @@DroidsKickball correct

    • @DT_123
      @DT_123 Před rokem

      @@DroidsKickball fraud

    • @march9807
      @march9807 Před rokem

      100% There is a 66 card parallel sequence to the 86-87 fleet if you do a little googling.

    • @ericflynn6541
      @ericflynn6541 Před 2 měsíci

      They were put in there on purpose. That box was 100% searched

  • @fahobbyguy2
    @fahobbyguy2 Před rokem +1

    wow 4 Jordan’s, I remembered those packs too.

  • @mastercollector9798
    @mastercollector9798 Před rokem +1

    I’m very late to this card game !! I’ve been watching around two weeks now , but I’m so excited !!! I have a lot of cards that I’ve had for years , and cards I’ve collected in the last 10 yrs . I have no idea what they are worth , I just kept them , just like all the comics I have , but had no idea they would be selling for some of the prices !! I’m trying to figure out what’s worth money & what’s not ; I have a lot of cards I have to look through. I’M A FAN NOW 💯

  • @thomasfarmer6801
    @thomasfarmer6801 Před rokem +1

    I love when u open baseball

  • @chucktownusa2505
    @chucktownusa2505 Před hodinou

    These are the best boxes in life -)

  • @rangdipkin6826
    @rangdipkin6826 Před rokem +3

    YES! Retro stuff! Thanks so much for opening these!!!!!

  • @olliepacks4188
    @olliepacks4188 Před rokem +1

    Nice pulls love the content keep it up!

  • @cartertrades9132
    @cartertrades9132 Před rokem +2

    loved it great vid man wish i could be at the national!

  • @mattgreen2559
    @mattgreen2559 Před rokem +9

    I watched this live but didn't win. It was exciting either way. I'd have been happy with commons from 86 Fleer

  • @theosportsmobile8662
    @theosportsmobile8662 Před rokem +1

    Very good video amd fire packs aswell

  • @dperry203
    @dperry203 Před rokem +1

    The barkleys looked well centered.

  • @paulbuker9596
    @paulbuker9596 Před rokem +14

    Olajuwon Rookie sticker..."that's not too bad", casually flips by a Barkley rookie...Packman not to up on vintage hoops?? Jeez

    • @Kentokun1982
      @Kentokun1982 Před rokem

      Blackmon is a rare card with high value as well

  • @TIPPYtoeup
    @TIPPYtoeup Před rokem +1

    Congrats just getting to open them man

  • @joemartella9591
    @joemartella9591 Před rokem +1

    Almost 200k subs congratulations Pack man

  • @thomasfarmer6801
    @thomasfarmer6801 Před rokem +1

    Packman I love when u open baseball

    • @PackmanCards
      @PackmanCards  Před rokem

      I wanna do more baseball!

    • @thomasfarmer6801
      @thomasfarmer6801 Před rokem

      @@PackmanCards that would be awesome I think if u open boxes
      From 2011 or 2017-2020 they will blow up people love those boxes hunting for big Rookies

  • @chubbs5006
    @chubbs5006 Před rokem +1

    pulling a 86 fleer jordan RC... never gets old

  • @mikeholtzclaw2602
    @mikeholtzclaw2602 Před rokem +1

    That's cool

  • @davidcrawford6137
    @davidcrawford6137 Před rokem +1

    that is one sick Draw all the old time cards love the Jordan ,Charles Barkley,

    • @PackmanCards
      @PackmanCards  Před rokem +1

      Seeing all of those pulled was so much fun! Love the Hakeems as well

    • @davidcrawford6137
      @davidcrawford6137 Před rokem

      Charles Barkley, John Stockton keen Is Hakim a leisuoneyou know They're all hall of famers out of that class.

  • @shaneta4557
    @shaneta4557 Před rokem +2

    That last pack was soooo suspect

  • @CarsonClaws
    @CarsonClaws Před rokem +2

    Congrats on 200k!

  • @Chad71174
    @Chad71174 Před rokem +1

    The irony of that last packs winners name being "enough said"
    😂

  • @toualee1430
    @toualee1430 Před rokem +5

    What’s going on Pacman. Love your content

  • @jordannardolillo5920
    @jordannardolillo5920 Před rokem +1

    That last pack of fleer was in abc order

  • @elburto5387
    @elburto5387 Před rokem +1

    Can't believe you pulled an MJ (Magic Johnson)!!!!!

  • @FlashyIsCold
    @FlashyIsCold Před rokem +2

    200K! 🔥🔥🔥

  • @PlatinumState
    @PlatinumState Před rokem +1

    That 36 year old gum must be amazing 😂

  • @tmo8284
    @tmo8284 Před rokem +1

    1984 Star #101 is Jordan’s true rookie. Still a cool rip.

  • @jfreezee3690
    @jfreezee3690 Před rokem +1

    A close friend bought me a pack of 86 fleer in 2000. Iirc it was $60. Pulled an Isaiah Thomas and is my biggest memory of a pack opening.

  • @christerrill4501
    @christerrill4501 Před rokem +6

    Hey Packman, I love your channel and appreciate your love for my Grizzlies. I hate to say it but this box was not authentic. Was the box that you showed in the promo the actual box you opened? The sequencing is all wrong, the cards didn’t always appear pack fresh, and you should never get multiple doubles of the same card in the same pack with 86 Fleer. The way the sheets were cut and packs were assembled simply wouldn’t allow it.

    • @cardalien
      @cardalien Před rokem +1

      yep massive resealed scam. really sad, cant trust any vintage sealed these days.

    • @PackmanCards
      @PackmanCards  Před rokem

      Thanks! Recently heard about all that stuff. Looking into it now and will let you guys know if I find out any info. Not sure on the answer to your question as of now either but will look into that too (if it was the same box)

    • @NYC-SA-Mike
      @NYC-SA-Mike Před rokem +1

      @@PackmanCards The sequence to 86F's has been discussed for years on forums like PSA - finding them in alpha order should've been a big red flag to everyone involved in that rip.

  • @Key-nt2go
    @Key-nt2go Před rokem +1

    Seems like for the ‘86 packs they ordered the cards alphabetically. Would explain the many dupes, the 4 Johnsons in a row, and the last pack having Terry and Pat Cummings, Cooper, Chambers, Cheeks, all in an row. Thought you would’ve hit Jordan in the J pack you opened :((( sick opening though!

  • @JohnnyRips
    @JohnnyRips Před rokem +1

    Nice

  • @osanilevich
    @osanilevich Před rokem +1

    I had no idea there were even boxes of these still around

  • @danielikelman481
    @danielikelman481 Před rokem +1

    Like Topps Chrome but Topps Finest was my all time fave

  • @justinsider3349
    @justinsider3349 Před rokem +1

    Dope

  • @justincade6646
    @justincade6646 Před rokem +1

    Hey you got 4 whole pieces of GUM!!! 🔥

  • @YoBoyJayden
    @YoBoyJayden Před rokem +2

    🔥

  • @teambrodee4654
    @teambrodee4654 Před rokem +1

    That last pack of fleer was kinda sus. But great video! Pack you never disappoint with the content

    • @PackmanCards
      @PackmanCards  Před rokem

      Thanks! Seemed odd to me but I’ve never opened that stuff before so not sure it that was a thing for this set

    • @KMK623
      @KMK623 Před rokem

      @@PackmanCards definitely not a thing, I’m sure you’re aware now, huge controversy not necessarily because someone lost money because it was a free break but if BBCE can’t authenticate sealed wax properly that’s a huge red flag, since they authenticate packs for PSA and other huge boxes and cases, just imagine how many altered packs and boxes were authenticated as real that were previously searched, whatnot spent big bucks off Goldin Auctions for this box too.

  • @cardpullz_
    @cardpullz_ Před rokem +1

    🔥🔥🔥

  • @robglobal1
    @robglobal1 Před rokem +1

    Fun fun

  • @michaelphillips6991
    @michaelphillips6991 Před rokem +1

    Jordan fleer 86 is my dream card! 🙌

  • @tubenachos
    @tubenachos Před rokem +1

    The Chrome box was disappointing but entertaining nonetheless 👏🏿

  • @TheRevertMuslim
    @TheRevertMuslim Před rokem +1

    U should of sleeved that Robert Parish!!

  • @danielikelman481
    @danielikelman481 Před rokem +2

    Strange Fleer packs...5 Johnsons in a row and that Domonique Wilkins pack was weird

  • @sammyndabagashorts
    @sammyndabagashorts Před rokem +1

    Yesser 2hype

  • @joshcate2060
    @joshcate2060 Před rokem +1

    I have that Dominique Wilkins sticker. Guy let me flip a coin between that and the Jordan sticker back in like 92, I was so close.

  • @dmac7403
    @dmac7403 Před rokem +1

    Definitely like the Olajuwon best .

  • @Anthony.Terrigno
    @Anthony.Terrigno Před rokem +1

    So close to 200k

  • @other212
    @other212 Před rokem +1

    That last pack you opened was so weird I thought the box might be sus.. but then you casually throw out that there were 3 Jordans in the box. lol

  • @monetschannel5773
    @monetschannel5773 Před rokem

    Let it ride

  • @m.o.b.fucree3082
    @m.o.b.fucree3082 Před rokem +1

    What treat real life bucket list moment

  • @Mr05Chuck
    @Mr05Chuck Před rokem +2

    Eat the gum! Eat the gum! Eat the gum!

  • @chucktownusa2505
    @chucktownusa2505 Před hodinou

    1st pack was for dom 34 !!!

  • @eventalleraiden1869
    @eventalleraiden1869 Před rokem

    What do you do with the base cards you get

  • @thechosen1CA
    @thechosen1CA Před rokem +1

    Wahoo lol...... the names had me crying bro

  • @laudanum669
    @laudanum669 Před rokem +2

    Can you imagine getting doubles of Jordan in one pack?

  • @polverizer2134
    @polverizer2134 Před rokem +1

    Im finally early

  • @corey8943
    @corey8943 Před rokem +1

    Le go

  • @austinwaugh2217
    @austinwaugh2217 Před rokem +3

    You are the best packman, you are awesome, I love your videos and you are the goat

  • @SSchus87
    @SSchus87 Před rokem +1

    Double Cummings... 🤣🤣🤣

  • @yolocards2
    @yolocards2 Před rokem +2

    Johnson Johnson Johnson Johnson
    Cummings Cummings 😆

    • @NYC-SA-Mike
      @NYC-SA-Mike Před rokem

      Great observation. These cards are not collated in alpha/numerical order.

  • @kevinscott7183
    @kevinscott7183 Před rokem +1

    I was afraid for the card when they started going crazy

  • @thor800
    @thor800 Před rokem +1

    Jordan rookie is almost the same age as trying to get a mantle rookie in the early 90s

  • @GriseldaBSF410
    @GriseldaBSF410 Před rokem +1

    We all know he follows Clark Kellog !

  • @10310347
    @10310347 Před rokem +3

    the players were packed alphabetically

  • @runofthemillz
    @runofthemillz Před rokem

    Of course it was those goobers and they FREAKED the fuck out

  • @rayspillers5024
    @rayspillers5024 Před rokem +1

    Rest in peace Bill Russell

  • @thadrand2875
    @thadrand2875 Před rokem +1

    There are so many great cards in that Fleer box!! Great video!

  • @outdoorswitheli4787
    @outdoorswitheli4787 Před rokem +1

    199k wow

  • @Windrammer
    @Windrammer Před rokem +7

    Keep the gum and pack together so they can reseal those packs for next year!

    • @dfcj1499
      @dfcj1499 Před rokem +1

      Possible repacks?

    • @Windrammer
      @Windrammer Před rokem +2

      @@dfcj1499 No I’m just being a piece of shit. Maybe but probably not. Think they pulled 3 Jordan rookies out of the box which is pretty average and the crazy correlation packs are normal with these boxes.

    • @dfcj1499
      @dfcj1499 Před rokem

      @@Windrammer 10/4

  • @mestizo3113
    @mestizo3113 Před rokem

    I would have done a table flip after that fourth pack of Fleer

  • @clydeharth1001
    @clydeharth1001 Před rokem +1

    200k soon

  • @flawlesssportscardsandcomics

    Dream to rip those packs

  • @rayspillers5024
    @rayspillers5024 Před rokem +1

    Bill Russell greatest basketball champion of all time he was a walking Ring

  • @shaneta4557
    @shaneta4557 Před rokem

    This looks like a repack. Where there other jordans in the box besides the one mentioned?

  • @derekbell9610
    @derekbell9610 Před rokem +1

    Heard that box was a repack! Bummer they pulled you into it. The sequence of the numbers and lots of alphabetical order. All the Johnsons in a row🤔

    • @PackmanCards
      @PackmanCards  Před rokem

      I did some digging and will share the info today on IG!

  • @paullmight42
    @paullmight42 Před rokem +1

    would be funny if there were austin powers packs in there...

    • @PackmanCards
      @PackmanCards  Před rokem

      I was actually joking about that at the show lol. Was asking what would happen if GI Joe popped out of the first pack 😂

  • @Kostly
    @Kostly Před rokem +1

    that last pack was glitched AF