[MSFS] Microsoft Flight Sim Short - Creating A Scenery Cache
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Tonight I will teach you how to make a manual scenery cache.
Why would you want to make one? Well, if your internet is not the best, or if you want to fly a specific region ALL the time, you can create this cache of higher quality scenery for that area, and fly it offline.
For this video, we will be caching the entire island of Jamaica, at various quality levels.
Don't forget to like and subscribe, if you learned something and want to see more. - Hry
Drew your videos are always so well done. Instructive, entertaining, and fun all at the same time. Thank you for all of your contributions to the community.
Thanks!
A CZcams vid I have been waiting for! Thank you. Great quality as always and very easy to understand.
Thanks, There is still some debate as to what exactly it is downloading that only takes up 1.36 Megs.
Just the vid I was looking for!!
Hope it helps. I notice my fps is also very stable after.
Well done! This helped fill in some of the parts I hadn't figured out yet. Thanks!
Good to hear.
Excellent Sir! Just what I needed to see!
Hope it helps. Thanks.
Thank you for this beautiful tutorial of the Manual cache, I play the Sim already from the alpha but never know this. Thank you
Most of us did not even know this. I only found out recently and wanted to share it with you.
Outstanding presentation, thank you for sharing this.
Of course, I'm holding you responsible for the second 1TB M.2 drive I just ordered in another window.
Smooth flying to you.
Thanks, I added some additional notes that were told to me, in the video description.
Amazing tip and explanation for those of us with lower internet speeds.
Hope it helps!
Big up brethren. Thanks for showing me this and also featuring our little beautiful island.
I may not have been back in a few decades, but it has never left my heart.
Well explained, Drew. I have not tried to create Cache but I do believe I can handle it after this video.
That was the goal. Your mileage may vary though.
Great to see your video again ..
I can't remember you from the Microsoft flight sim event ..
Thanks for the instructions
You can't? How could you miss the hat! Lol!! Yeah I was there in Seattle. The first video in this playlist [MSFS] was my chronicle of the events last September.
Extremely helpful tutorial - many thanks
No problem. Be advised other areas of the world will be MUCH MUCH bigger in size.
Excellent video. Thank you.
Thanks sir. Trying to find stuff off the beaten path that most people may not even know about.
Excellent, thanks for sharing 👍
Thanks
Nice to see a fellow Jamaican!...Wah gwan Man!!...Awesome video
Irie, Bredren. Someone has to keep the country in the spotlight, right?
@@belgeode lol very much so....keep up!!
Will do, Star!
Excellent!!! Gonna send this link to a few friends.
Ok. Be sure to check the links in the video description too for more info.
Excellent friend! Subscribed!
Thanks
Great video. I really learned something new from this video.
Good, i am glad. Thanks.
Can you read a book with this music playing, it I’ll be my official sleep music lol.
Excellent video! This short was perfect.
YUP sure thing. HAHAHAAH.
Thank you Bel ! You're Great 👍👌👍
YW
Great content as usual
Thanks!
Thank you that was very helpful, I have been looking to do that.
You are welcome, though I am not sure how valid it is now with all the updates that have been released since then. Hopefully the process is still the same, which was what I was trying to show here.
@@belgeode I just tried it out and the process is the same thanks
Cool beans!
Thaks very much! Very helpful.
You're welcome. It is probably outdated already, but the process should be the same.
Really useful Drew nice one thank you. I think I'll try the Isle of Wight here in old Blighty first. Take care.
Should be able to do that in all high quality.
Thank you for this. I originally put 300 gigs in rolling cache but could not figure out how to allocate it to specific areas. I will be deleting the 300 and then going back in to manually cache those areas I want. Thanks again...
No problem.
As always great informative video, I started to think I should start putting together some tutorials myself so encouraging.
You totally should. There is a wealth of subjects people may need to know, and having more tutorials is always better. Unfortunately I do not have enough time to do a lot, so I am trying to pick things i think might get overlooked. (Ironically this particular subject was posted be two other people shortly around when i posted this).
@@belgeode I'll try to do my best, in fact this is the sole reason I started a CZcams channel. I'm still warming up to the recording part and sorting out some technical details. I'm glad that I came across your videos on my personal account. I'm not sure if you'll remember but we did talk a little about Istanbul Ataturk airport on your Turkish Delight video. I'm that guy who said it's not operational any more :)
Yes I remember you. You are actually one of a few people now who have told me about Ataturk. The longer the video is up, the more people seem to be watching it. This is a good thing.
This is very cool. did not know we could do this. Thanks.
Yeah a long time ago we mentioned there was a way to fly it "offline", this is how that is done.
Thanks for a very informative video.
No problem.
Great stuff, thanks!
Added some extra notes in video description.
great video and perfect narration voice
Thanks. I may have been doing this kind of thing for a little while... ;-)
@@belgeode well I just subbed as you deserve more subs than you have, great video.
I rather quality over quantity, so i am not worried about number of subs. People who find the videos enjoyable and/or informative are ok in my book.
That said, welcome aboard!
BelGeode thank you 🙏
Obrigado amigo. excelente tutorial.
Thank you!
Thank you!
You're welcome.
Great tutorial.... Keep 'em coming! BTW, my wife wants your hat!!
Lol. I believe you can find it online. It was a gift from a former girlfriend, so no idea where she bought it.
I really needed this video, I have some performance issues with FS2020 on what is a very fast machine. Best guess is that it's down to my unreliable internet.
Try an area you like to fly in, see if it makes a difference for you.
This game is madness! Even Aliens will be impressed by this!
They can use it to plan their global invasion, and it will be close to accurate.
@@belgeode Thats a scary thought!
We'll be fine. From my understanding Aliens only use Playstation, not Xbox or PC, so they cannot use MSFS.
thank you for that mate
My pleasure sir.
Thanks. I don’t know what I did but it has been enabled
Glad you got it sorted.
Outstanding... being an old guy it would’ve taken me forever to figure that out... and it was something I really wanted to know. Not counting added hardware which I have already bought and added aircraft & scenery I will undoubtedly buy I believe I have the most expensive version of MSFS around. I did the prebuy deal from MS on the 9th but couldn’t find any download instructions. After spending 4 hours seeking customer support which was a total waste of time I got mad and bought it via Steam this morning. My F: drive is a 2TB SSD containing XP11, AFS2, and yes plenty of ORBX for both. My new D: drive is a 4TB SSD reserved exclusively for MSFS and I’m sure before long it will have plenty of ORBX on it too. Now I just have to figure out how to get MS’ attention to try to convince them they owe me a refund. Yeah I know I will not be holding my breath on that one. Thanks again for the timely lesson. I may need to watch it a few times more before I am done. Be well. :)
Good luck on getting your refund!
Epointec - Like I said I’m not holding my breath. I sent them several detailed descriptions of the situation including dates and their transaction # and thought I was getting somewhere when I entered a chat session with what I thought was a female type person. But “she” couldn’t seem to grasp what I considered a clearly stated issue. It took me 10 minutes to realize she was a bot. It got weirder from there. Thanks for the support. :)
Hope you find a workable resolution, Tom. Sorry to hear your experiences.
BelGeode - My wife wanted me to wait for a resolution with or a refund from MS before moving on. But as I will be 70 one week before your 50th birthday I figure I can’t afford to be that patient. I have only done one flight thus far but it was illuminating. I took off in the Extra from runway 17 on the stock KTIW and turned left to head up the Narrows channel and over the bridges. I was initially very disappointed with the yucky looking scenery but I guess as the downloading kicked in it got better very rapidly. I went across Tacoma and over the port and the Tacoma Dome looked like the real deal. Up McKinley Hill and the small business district appeared perfect. I couldn’t catch sight of my mom’s old house... I’ll need a slower aircraft for that. I went back to KTIW and landed safely if only just. My controls need a lot of work. Everything is way too sensitive and I forgot to configure my wheel brakes. I should be working on all that now but I have to keep an eye or two on a pair of bumbling plumbers for a while longer.
MSFS early impressions: The Extra needs another livery... reminds me of my first ‘56 Dodge... red, white, & black... she was beautiful on the used car lot... well I was very young. We need more and hopefully better pilot and especially copilot avatars. I’ll take a blonde with a yellow or pink sweater and if I remember correctly you prefer redheads. My plumbers are finally packing up so I’ll quit bugging you and get to work on MSFS. Be well! :)
Thanks for this vid, it really helped. Do you understand the details between the cache levels? Like what would a city done with low cache look like?
I imagine low cache means the orthophotos are a little grainer, and there may be some 3D artifacts, as opposed to the sharper, clearer, higher quality.
caching areas is the way to go. i finally got a 6800xt and a 5900x and wow oh wow 4k at cached areas wow! 100% different game.
Good to know! Glad they have sorted it out to where it is working fine for folks now.
Hello,
very interresting video, i hadn't realized that the quality depended on the zoom level! thanks
two questions: can one make caches on different drives?
Second: I might be dumb but couldn't find the default PAUSE button!!
Cache on different drives. Not sure. I think so. Never tried it.
Pause break key is active pause in sim.
Escape key pauses but brings up settings menu.
Im going to give this a thumbs up becuase I appreciate your time. However it would have been nice to see a comparison between streamed and cached scenery
Facebook. I have comparison pictures there.
Your video is great, thanks for putting this up. Visually I did a quick nyc area test, did high quality then did low, took the exact same screenshot, oddly there was no change in perceivable quality. I'd like to know what low vs high really changes, maybe only certain areas are truly "lower" quality. What was changed was about 13GB vs 1.6 MB. My other thinking is maybe the low quality stuff just reduces what it downloads, that you dont see a change in quality because it still downloads the higher level quality?
I think it is what is saves that determines quality. For example, low might be just the terrain, medium might be terrain and overlay, high might be everything.
I do not know for sure. I will ask the devs for clarification.
My big contention about all this is a downloadable PDF manual should have been included, that explains all this. I shouldn’t have to go to someone’s CZcams channel, to learn information that should have been included with the DLC in the first place!
I think CZcamsrs like yourself are a valuable resource for both information & entertainment- *BUT* beyond the basics of how to work the game. Just my opinion.
I found it really odd that there was not some kind of manual for anything in this sim.
BelGeode >>> Okay, so it’s not just me that feels this way.
Yeah a lot of people are talking about it. Not very user friendly for new users.
Is there any reason to cache anything if you always fly online with a fast Internet connection? In other words, would the highest resolution cache give better details in the scenery than the normal online scenery? Big fan of your channel 👍
There is no real reason to cache anything if this applies to you. You get the highest resolution when you are streaming anyway. It is only of use to those with bad connections, or who particularly fly over a certain area.
@@belgeode Thanks very much
Hello and thank you for the informative videos.
I have found that the more caches I create, the UI gets very unresponsive. Have you seen the same?
Also, do you know if it's possible to delete the manual cache? I know you can make it bigger, but I'm not seeing how to remove it completely like you can with the rolling cache.
Thanks again and keep up the good work.
I have only deleted what i have saved. I did that before making this video so I could start from scratch, but the arbitrary size of 50 that I used, I always have that in there. I have never tried changing it.
I've done 10 days of testing, and have found a fail proof method for the manual caches to work fully offline as well, something they dont do unless u take certain steps beforehand after loading the game up whilst (forced, mandatory sadly) online to begin with:-
I have spent since release day experimenting and have it sussed out now.
3 areas I have concentrated (using ONLY High mode for the details, zooming in and taking ages to select them etc etc) on:-
Rome
New York City
London
Rome and New York City work nicely as a manual cache (and I will get to how you get them working fully offline in a minute......), but London is f**ked, and it is due to the issue you came across Flyboy.
For Rome, the area I cached was 5gb, for NYC with its tall buildings, around 11gb.
For London, not working at all. I selected all of the City............came to 788kb. Yes, kb. Did all the City and aout as far as Heathrow........and OMG....came to 1mb!! One megabyte! So clearly data from Microsoft/Bing is not working in terms of where it is trying to build a manually cached area after you make the selection.
How to use the manually cached regions FULLY OFFLINE
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Okay, now to explain how I get the 2 areas that manually cached nicely working......fully offline.
1- Firstly, I had to have created the 2 areas in my Rome and NYC examples here, in 2 separate manual caches, they do not work if created as separate instances in the same file.
2- I have to load the game up online...it wont load up if the PC is offline.
3- Then go to the Manual Cache option and it of course takes 2-3 mins to look at the manual cache file it should already know about, unless I have swapped the file out to change it from Rome to NYC or vice versa.
4- Still need to be online at this stage, and so when it shows the cached region finally, you then have to double-click (Microsoft tells us nothing about this) on the "eye" symbol on the right of the cached region, and it slowly loads up the cached map area. Once this is done, come out of options and take the PC offline, blocking the internet. BTW when I say it slowly loads up the cached map area, its not actually re-downloading the map data, I checked my network connection and no extra data was being downloaded. Good thing is that this loading up the map data via the "eye" symbol takes just 30 seconds or so.
5- Still with the PC offline, now do a flight that goes over this manually cached area and it will contain the high detailed manually cached area. IF............step 4 above is not carried out beforehand, then I find that every time I fly over it, even though the manually cached region shows in the caching section, that the detail is missing in the game, so its as if step 4 is needed to be able to "open the map data" in the cached region, possibly Microsoft's method to prevent people giving each other there cached regions, as during step 4 it seems to need that "eye" symbol step to not only show, gradually as it loads in, the area, but also possibly during that "time" to do checks that it was cached on your own system.
Thats it really, I always like to know that even though cached areas are to prevent the game downloading them whilst flying and the PC is online, that they can also be fully used offline, meaning I have a nice backup of some sexy building data!!!
NYC and Rome both look stunning.
I have just found out about the list of 341 cities that have photogrammatic areas in the game.........and this list contains a hint as to why Rome and New York City can be manually cached.....and why London and as someone else has found, Tokyo cannot be either. In fact I have just tested and the whole of Sydney, when trying to manually cache it, comes to just 3mb....
Basically, Rome and New York City are in this photogrammatic list of cities, and London/Tokyo/Sydney are not......which surely means that as we fly over these cities not in the list, we are getting some other method Microsoft have used to display in the game these cities.
So we can only manually cache these photogrammatic cities, and this also explains why when Orbyx are selling the London pack add-on, it isnt to supplement what we see from Bing Maps, its to add the London main buildings in that the game has already had to manufacture with estimates in the first place.
Great video anout manual cache.
I know in the graphic settings one can set to Ultra.
Have you seen a difference between no manual cached areas & Medium & High sections?
Some say if they have a fast internet speeds no caching is needed. What say you?
You commented on another video too..i have not had the need to do manual caching again since a couple updates after i made this video.
Thank you for this simple and beautiful tutorial .. Just one point .. I did not understand whether you should transfer the created scenery after finishing the work to the Community folder or not? And if you fly over the selected area, you will see the selected parts real?
You do not transfer anything. The process already saves the cached scenery on your hard drive where you specified in the one window. The work is done, once you complete the process. And yes, if you fly over the selected area you will be seeing cached scenery if you are offline. Online it usually defaults to photogrammetry if available. Remember the whole point of a cache is that you may not have the best internet connection, or you may not want to fly online at all. So what it does is save the relevant scenery are on your PC. So if you fly over one general area a lot and/or have no desire to fly online, this is for you.
Fantastic ,thanks for sharing .
By the way only 10 percent left to download fs2020 after 2 days 😁
Regards
Dave from Scotland
Sheesh. You will get it eventually though.
Great video, thanks. However, do you have to select anything in particular while setting up a flight in a downloaded area, or will it automatically run the downloaded scenery in preference to streaming the scenery?
I am not sure I understand what you are asking here. If you have downloaded the area, and you set up a flight, you are flying in a downloaded area. It is not going to stream an area you already have, UNLESS........ there is a major update to the information, in which case I imagine it will load that up beforehand. I will not know for sure until Bing actually gets updated for areas I have cached. (make sure you read all of this in Morgan Freeman's voice)
@@belgeode Yes, you've answered my question. Ha ha, thank you Morgan!
Do you get any kind of a framerate increase when flying around an area that you’ve cached? Or are the cpu and gpu bottlenecks the same? Thanks in advance Bel. By the way, you really know your Jamaica geography!
For this I did not see an FPS drop. As a matter of fact it seemed a bit smoother. FPS was the same, but less fluctuation. That may be because i have it on an SSD as well, as opposed to a regular HDD. I do not have any input lag with this.
I am surprised that it is just 1.35MB for the whole thing. good tutorial video.
You and many others including myself.
Hi. 1. I'm sure this video will be very helpful!
1st
There can be only one.
Photogrammetry areas use a lot more space, I did the Venetian area (LIPZ and the surrounding lagoon) and it was over 500MB, saw someone do Manhattan and it was 5GB
Worth doing though as I don't have the luxury of super-fast internet speeds so this helps with in-game stutters.
Yeah i heard that as well. So far it seems to help.
@@belgeode Thanks for the video dude, keep em coming.
Will do, thanks for watching.
It's amazing the amount of work we would have to do for it to be what it should be already. ...........what can I tell ya.
Amazing, isn't it?
Hey, I tried something and I just wanted to share it because I found it interesting. I tried caching a bit of South Florida (FLL,MIA and FXE)as well as parts of The Bahamas. The Florida cache was about 5GiB and The Bahamas' cache was about 1MiB. I saw the discrepancy and decided to knock out my internet completely to go offline. Turns out that flying over the cached part of Florida was no problem....but everywhere I cached in The Bahamas defaulted back to FSX default quality scenery. I can only assume that Bing Maps only has detailed information on certain places worth caching. I wanted to point that out here because I wanted to ask if you tested your Jamaica cache completely offline. I question if the cache downloaded anything of substance worth 1MiB
Yeah i had been talking with other commenters regarding this.
Agree totally. Based on my extensive experience downloading ORTHO4XP, I would have thought BelGeode's total cache for Jamaica would have been in multiple GB's, not a mere 1.35MB. Thank you for pointing this out, Cameronmd80.
As I'm still in the discovery phase of MSFS 2020, I can see here they have created a simpler (and superior) program for downloading ortho. In my eyes, it's just another win for this ground-breaking, state of the art Flight Sim. Just beautiful!!!
Currently the manual cache option only works with the 3D photo data that bing has collected. So mostly cities and highly populated areas. Rural areas with the normal lower quality satalite images don't work with it and it won't recognize them in your manual cache. So it will revert to streaming, or if you have that turned off it will just use the default stuff that doesn't look that great. Hopefully they will fix this in the near future so we can download certain areas just so we don't have stream them.
See my "nO No Nooo" post........you have come across what I did, it needs to be one of the photogrammatic 341 areas in the game otherwise you get 1mb of data which is.........................nothing. Hence your Florida quite rightly was 5gb, as Florida is all photogrammatically captured by Bing.
@@dazzer1696 Got the first time bud. Thanks.
Great video 👌 you sound like Morgan Freeman 😂
Man i need to start getting money every time someone says i sound like either Morgan Freeman, Tom Hanks, or Obama.
Lol. I would be rich!!
Thanks btw!
@@belgeode 🤣👍
Terrific video! But I can't believe the whole of Jamaica took only 1.35 MB! I was expecting somewhere around 300 MB or even more.
I was surprised as well. I did this three times, cleared my cache each time, and sure enough around the same amount.
Surely that’s 1.35GB & not MB. I see many have mentioned that.
Great video, thanks!
It's MB... and don't call me Shirley. 😂
Can you demonstrate how to create a landing approach to any airport at different distances and elevations? FSX allowed the user to open the map and drag the aircraft further away from the airport and also set the starting elevation for the landing.
I believe Squirrel already has a video on that. I will look again.
Nice job, surely that can’t be 1.35 Mega Bytes !
Maybe there is not a lot of info for Jamaica. It's been discussed in the comments a few times.
When in doubt about how to pronounce "Data", I always refer to how Captain Picard would say it. Dayta. 😉
LOL!
LOL! I've got a 2TB HD for Xplane and ORBX too! Not sure where MSFS is going to fit! Is manual cache worth it? If your rolling cache is set high with good internet speed, will the manual cache still be higher quality?
It's on there... all premium deluxe edition worth of it. with 500 GB to spare.
In reply to your rolling cache vs manual cache, it should be about the same. Where it comes in handy is if you do have bad internet, or you really only ever plan to fly in one area of the world. Save resources and bandwidth by doing the manual cache. You might even go highest quality, which I could have done in this video, but wanted to show the three levels of quality.
I was able to mess around with this a little bit. Is it true that that 8x8 high squares make up 1 medium square?
And 8x8 medium squares make up 1 low square?
That’s what I think I noticed, but I wasn’t sure if it was allocating like that when you drew it. So I just I wanted to confirm if you noticed the same thing?
I think so. I only experimented a handful of times before uploading this video on the process.
BelGeode >>> Ok cool.
Is there any quality/ FPS improvement even pitted against extremely quick fibre internet connection , or would it be a waste of disk space
I get around 100 mbps streaming on average
Thanks
As far as i have seen, no. No real improvement. The only real benefit is as i stated in the video... you either only ever fly in one area, or you have really really bad internet. And even if those are true... notice how i only got a small cache total after? That means it does not have any photogrammetry to download... just basic stuff.
I wish there was a way to append a region to had already cached. Just in case you'd like to make it bigger or grab more of it in high quality.
Yeah me too. I have not found a way to do it yet. I am going to ask the developers for some insight.
@@belgeode Until Elon Musk gets Starlink up and running, I'm stuck at 10Mbps. Which means if I plan on going near any city, it needs precached. I grabbed ALL of NYC and half of Long Island last night in HIGH quality. It took 8 hours and ended up being 20 or 30GB. HUGE, but the detail! 👍👍
Yeah i have heard that big cities take a massive amount of space.
Is selecting a large area for the High setting possible?, because when zoomed in to have the High setting the selectable area is very small so the right click selecting of scenery at High will be arduous cachei
Not possible. Do not know if they will make it possible yet.
Great video and was very helpful. I have MSFS2020 installed on my 500gb ssd C-drive. But I also have a 1tb SSD (D-drive). Is it possible to store my manual cache scenery on a separate drive from the flight sim? Meaning if I have the sim installed on my C drive, can I install the manual cache on my D drive? If not, what about using Symbolic links like I have done with X-Plane 11?
Never tried it but you might be able to, in the window i showed you.
Try it and let me know.
Did it work when you install the ccache in a different drive??
Marvellous !
i hope this will be possible to make the manual caching with my low PC config, which has a good web connection, en then, bring my caches to my really good PC which is NOT well connected ( only 3G )
I guess if you can copy over the folder, it MIGHT work. I have no way of testing something like that, but if you do, let me know what happens.
I will be back to my main PC in october.
well, i'm afraid that if the graphic card is too law, the game won't launch and give an error message.
it should be goo to display anyway the main menu, wich is not intended to calculate recursive unreal engine raytracing for displaying options menus.
So that could have access to the manual caching on this PC.
For me this is the most frustrating issue with FS20. There should be a check box for which quality you want but allow you to scroll out as much as you want to more easily, and quickly select large areas. Just blows my mind that they can get so much, so right and then fail so miserably on such a thing like this.
Send them feedback about it. Nothing in this sim is ever truly written in stone.
Is the quality better than when you are on line or would there be a difference. When your on line would it use what you downloaded and would there be a difference in quality. Could you show the difference. thanks
Posted pix on fb. Quality is high, about same as if you are online only it does not have to wait to download data. If your internet is great, you might not even need to do this, but if not, this ensures you always have really good looking scenery.
Are you noticing it runs smoother flying over cached areas vs streamed?
Yes. It does feel smoother and more stable.
Will MSFS use the rolling cache if I happen to fly outside of manually cached areas?
Yes. It is designed to do that. Provided you are online.
Hi
I tried the 2 apps to get the poor man's vr going in fs2020,the virtual desk top is great but I couldn't use the pink octopus as it made me feel sick .
I've been using vr since it came out and I'm OK inside the headset but I could only use the steam virtual desktop ,itll work until vr is released for fs2920
Thanks for sharing.
Dave
I bet your settings were off a little. But as long as you have it the way you want it now.
Assuming your connection speed is fast enough, (and what's fast enough btw?), what quality does a person see when flying low without creating cashed areas?
Assuming it is fast enough, and your settings are decently set, you should be getting high quality everywhere. (Bear in mind not all parts of the world really have high quality, but this will change as bing maps and blackshark.ai become more refined.)
@@belgeode Roger that.
Do you still keep rolling cache on after you have downloaded all of your manual cache areas?
Yes you do. For the areas not saved in manual.
Is there a way to adjust the size of the scenery cache size afterwards? It won't let me.
I have heard you have to delete the folder, but i have not tried this at all. I left it at 50.
What kind of mystic background music you are using ?
Directly from MSFS. It is called "Color 2".
@@belgeode thanks
NP
Ok so I have read that manual cache only works in areas that have photogrammetry data. As Jamaica doesn’t have photogrammetry scenery then I’m afraid manual cache won’t work for this region. I don’t know if this is a bug or it was intended this way.
I have read multiple things on this, and I am inclined to agree. 1.35 megs does seem small. I really did not see a difference in the quality of the island once I was done. It still looked good to me.
But then the point of the video was not about Jamaica, but how to actually do the process. So as long as people understand that concept, and that their mileage may vary, then I am ok with this.
It’s a great guide!
I have 6TB for cache, I want to just swipe Earths upper hemisphere with high res. The system for selecting zones feels archaic.
I would not recommend that anyway.
how can i save a startup situation in msfs2020 like we dide in fsx: exampel sesna152 ready on honolulu int in thunder storm and it saves wether ,aircraft ,posision and and flaps down CAN I DO THAT IN 2020
You cannot. Not yet.
Same Here,Old Guy..Mr.Bel if knowledge is Power,Then Becuase of you i'm a super Hero...Please Continue and Find Time For Shorts And Ting My Brother...I wonder and Hope, you went Ahead and established a very Good internet to Stream..Can i still Use your Cache Tactic To Say, i already No For now i just want to spend time in one Area Learning My Plane..And Jamaica is perfect,can i just do that for Now while setup for world streaming. Can i go into settings and focus that way.
Yes, the system is designed to use both. I should have explained that better.
Let's say you cache jamaica. But you flying to and from cuba. It will stream data for cuba like normal, but when you get to jamaica, it will already be loaded, no need to stream it.
I would like to see you actually flow over it to see how it looks. Both in online mode and offline mode. From my understanding after reading the forums only certain areas work for manual caching. If it isn't the 3D bing data it doesn't recognize it and just defaults to streaming it anyway, or if in offline mode it just uses the defualt scenery. Does the whole island have 3D data? I wanted to put southern MI and Northern Ohio in a manual cache so it would run smoother when I fly at home. Problem is most of it rural areas with normal sat images not the 3d ones so it wouldn't do me any good. The only things that would actually work would be larger cities like Detroit and Toledo. Hopefully they fix this at some point.
I may do so soon. Definitely not this weekend though. I have other things to do.
@@belgeode I honestly don't have to actually see it lol. I am just wondering if have confirmed that it actually works correctly in both online and offline mode. But then if that whole island is 3d data it should work. It is area with normal images that don't work I guess. I have not tried it yet myself since the forums said it wouldn't. So I didn't bother wasting the time or space on my drive.
My suspicion is something may be broken, or not implemented properly.
But in any event, the video was about teaching how.
I have ended up being online all the time, so even if it is doing something, i am not benefitted by it.
@@belgeode Well you would hope that even if you were in online mode it would skip streaming the areas if it was set up in manual cache. Or even already in your rolling cache. I have read stuff where people have tested it to see what kind of data it was pulling and some say it works correctly, others are saying it doesn't. It for sure still needs some work. The largest bummer is it only works on 3d data at the moment.
Given everything else currently bugged in the sim, i am not too bothered with it right now.
Not to mention i fly literally all over the world, so me flying in Jamaica over the last week has not been a thing.
I had no idea Morgan Freeman was a MSFS 2020 enthusiast.
He is? WOW! Well let me know the next time you see him, I would love to get his autograph.
Do i need manual cache to get max quality or if i fly around the same spot alot the game try to load and save on rolling cache the max quality?
No you do not. It is the same quality as if you are getting everything downloaded fast.
@@belgeode if i download some area like a big island on medium, and start fly around that area, the game try to download the area on high or just stay on medium forever.
If you are offline, medium forever. If you are online (and this is a best guess) it MAY try to get highest quality.
Manual cache is not available on my system. Any help?
No idea. I thought everyone has it. Try microsoft flight sim forums.
Please help. My Manual cache veiw button is just grey and i cant click it.
I do not know what the issue could be. Have you tried deleting your cache totally then reassigning a cache?
Check the msfs forums for more assistance on this.
My only worry about creating a manual cache is I presume it won't get updated by ASOBO if they update the maps or any other stuff they add to them.
I cannot imagine why they would not update them.
@@belgeode I'm sure they would like to but would the updater know to find and update the cache?
That i do not know.
@@belgeode It was a very good video though - I enjoyed it.
How did you set the manual cache to 50Mb? Every time I set a number the program hangs. I've left it 2+Hrs.
I just typed in 5 (zero was already there).
I created a 90GB cache, left it for 5- mins, came back and it was done. Are you using an SSD? Be sure to choose the folder yourself or it will use your System Hard Drive. @Rob
@@Bogeyatyour6YT 2Tb external HDD
@@robmuzz A regular external HDD?
It might be cutting it close. For this kind of game/sim moving this amount of data (that has to be accessed quickly or written/read in great amounts) a SSD is recommended. I am sure it can be run with a regular HDD but maybe if you don't fine tune the graphics, data rate, etc, it might lead to crashes. Do you have any SSD available?
The sim itself is also on that external hard drive?
@@Bogeyatyour6YT I got it working. Runs lovely thank you!
Something is wrong with rolling cache and manual cache.
No way high textures of bing data in your areas selected are only 1.35Mb in size, makes no sense. Either it isn’t downloading what you stream in game for areas, or it’s broke..
When I fly over Seattle wa, it’s constantly downloading data at 100Mbps, which mean for that area it should be gigabytes of data if I manually downloaded it. Well when I tried manual cache zoomed in or out of Seattle area, it only downloaded a couple megabytes of data... makes no sense..
Little late to the party. We have been discussing this in almost all the comments now. Yeah something feels off about this process.
Alright boss,.... I'm going crazy here. I swear I saw you changing your callsign in some video, but damned if I can find it. Any help would be appreciated.
In aircraft selection. Go to ATC. Top row right is a box you can enter characters into.
@@belgeode I knew I could count on you boss for a quick response. Sure appreciate. And can't wait to watch you fly in MFS 2020.
I'm gonna tell you a truism. I don't know how to fly.
Oh, I can fly the shit out of an airplane. But not correctly. By the numbers. It's always been a dream, and Flight Sim is finally getting there. I've flown flight sims for almost 40 years. Starting with SubLogic flight sim, later to be Microsoft owned.
And so far the training in the game has been shit. I need to learn by the numbers. So please keep in mind to help those of use who can fly, but want to learn to fly. Because me keying up the mic to tower and saying" Can I go now",... ain't gonna cut it!
You are by far my favorite flight simmer.
Your story is rather similar to mine. I only have a handful of hours behind the yoke of a real Cessna, and that is basically because it is a lot more expensive to try and do this in real life, and my income is not what it used to be. But hey, through flight simming we can experience the world, so that counts as far as I am concerned.
@@belgeode Indeed! Soft landings my friend.
You as well.
I'm a bit confused if it's less that 2mb why did it take 3 minutes?? Rendering? I have a horrible connection speed by todays standards and I can even do ~1.7MBytes per Second or (~13.6mbits per second).
No idea. But that was the time it took.
I am pretty sure its only 1.35mb because you already flew there many times before and the area is in your rolling cache. So technically you didn't download anything manually.
Remember that part where I said I deleted my cache beforehand? Yeah. You can follow the history of where I have been in the last 6 videos. Jamaica was the first video.
@@belgeode it's not even half logical its 1.35mb more like in the area of 800mb to 1gb
@@roib7781 Dude, try it yourself. You come back and tell me how it works for you. Ok?
@@belgeode Sorry I didn't mean i dont believe you. I just said that how is it logical ?
I have no idea how it is working on the backend. Perhaps the data is compressed. I will need to check the folder ir is saved in to examine.
Hmm, how big ssd you need for whole world? 🤔
Considering MS claims to have several petabytes of data, i am not sure they make an SSD that big.
Sorry, another one: How do you start cold& dark on the ramp? it always give me the "ready to fligh start
I'm new also, on the flightplan screen, where you select a runway...there should also be selections for the parking spots if i'm not mistaken.
Cooleshaka is correct. You need to select a parking spot to start on.
@@cooleshaka Thanks, didn't bother to even look!!
@@belgeode Thanks, and keep on doing good job
It's OK, true: you zoom a little on the airfield, and the parking spots appear if they are not hid by the label!
1.35 meg? That doesn't sound right. Would manual cache still mean it's a cache? I mean you have to fly over areas to download the Ortho, and manual cache just means "never delete this area"? How can my X-plane Ortho be 80 gig and the same area in FS be 5 meg?
Tried it a few times. Same size. By contrast, miami was MUCH BIGGER. So my conclusion is there probably is not much info on jamaica to download. Remember most of the island was done on low.
@@belgeode I cached my local home town and airport, then watched my ethernet card and hard drive. First flyover was all ethernet after that the disk started to show some usage. Think about a 1.3 meg photo. Now imagine that streched over the entire island... That would be super low res. Something else is going on. I like the Video by the way, I'm only trying to figure out exactly what MS is doing with the cache. Cheers!
So am i. I mean it is nice this is an option and i am glad to show the process, but if there is no point to the data downloaded, it becomes surperfluous.
My guess is that it's the same download process for the high detail Ortho and the manual cache setting just means don't ever delete this. It may also pre download the lowest detail Ortho or perhaps the OSM data. I'm thinking about it las if I was doing it in ortho4xp which may not have anything to do with the fs2020 method. But I did use Bing as my source ;)
Same here. I used bing as well for my jamaica ortho.
this was working for me at first but now the map runs so slow its impossible to select any more areas ive only used 2 gb so far so its not space, when i manage to exit the manual cache map screen the game goes back to 50+ fps, anyone else have this issue?
Yep. NO idea why that is happening.
@@belgeode ok thanks for the reply
Could of been a 3 minute video, but that's ok. Thanks
Could "have", but thanks for watching.
@PXVM
Check out India
India looks pretty good.
@@belgeode mention some places you wanna see and I will make some flight videos
Nah. I already did a video of a place in India. You pick. Have fun!
Yeah, Paris is not in southwest France.
Yeah, so I noticed after I zoomed out.