PLCE Webbing History | British ARMY Webbing | Webbing Walks Part 2 | AATV EP195
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- In the second part of our Webbing Walk series Gadge and Anvil take British PLCE Webbing for a walk around the woods. We also discuss the trials and development that that to it being adopted.
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What do you think of PLCE webbing? Let us know…
Absolutely hate it 😒 😑 😫 .
@Hew Jarsols a better set of webbing. Preferably a molle one so that you can tweak it to suit the task in hand.
@Hew Jarsols heavier possibly. Mines definitely as tought as my PLCE.
Don't get me wrong the modularity of the mollie system is good however I still prefer the plce webbing I was issued from cadets. It fit well, could be adjusted alot easier without having to slice up my hands and there was just more space to use
It's shit! Worst pouch clips in history
7.44 big blue rucksack attached to a 2 Bn Scots Guardsman. I’m ex-2SG 74-77, was in Belfast with 3 Sqn RCT when the Falklands kicked off. Famous photo of the Scots Guards on top of Mount tumbledown, I served with most of those Guardsmen. 💂♂️🪖⛑️🏴🇨🇦
As an American viewer I love seeing a user’s perspective on affordable gear I might pick this up along side my Alice belt!
Hopefully we’ll get around to other nations gear at some point.
Yes, Dad's Army back on the trail! Nice one lads. Essential maintenance kit for PLCE was always a multi-tool with pliers, lighter for preventing fraying and, of course, sniper tape. Tbf, that's a maintenance kit for life!
Nice. So why did we need to go on a holiday can please someone explain
Going from '58 to this PLCE was mind blowing. But then I got an authentic South African assault vest and realised that was probably the single best webbing set on earth
I’ve had a couple of sets of SADF vests Including some real and some repro. Very nice kit.
To be fair it wasn't a bad system. Saw the issues with the pouch locking system and so I and a friend changed them all to fast clip. The water bottle pouch was big enough to have a brew kit in with the bottle and steel 58 mug. I only used one small mess tin which had one main meal in. The second ammo pouch had the rifle cleaning kit in. The spade was rarely carried. The bayonet I wore on the front left yoke. Bungees were the main stay as usual holding everything together.We sprayed all ours desert yellow during gulf 1 then on return had issued DPM. But we were already buying chest rigs and day sacks
Thanks for letting us know your own story’s of using the kit. Chest rigs, Ops vests and patrol packs next!
I bought a set of green PLCE in 1993-94, without utility pouches and the shovel. I wore it instead of the Canadian forces 82 pattern webbing including the rucksack which was crap. I put a Canadian butt packin on the rear instead of pouches, I used a 58 pattern belt with cloth tabs sew on the ends of the belt so I could put a fastex buckle on it. I still have it today but with 2 DPM water bottle pouches as I lost the original green ones. my all time favourite rucksack is the Canadian C64, (I had 3 versions of the 64, OD military, Civilian version of Cadpat (bigger), civilian Multicam based on the original OD dimensions.) I believe it was initially built for the airborne, 💂♂️🪖⛑️🏴🇨🇦
Female yank and retired military veteran here. I retired before the chest rigs you see prevalent in today’s military became readily available for both military and civilian use. Those of of in the national guard (territorials) always get our kits last. That was fine with me because I much preferred the old school Alice gear. Easier and faster to place/remove items and as a gal who wasn’t (how do I say this) flat chested and was living and serving in Texas at the time (entire summers with damn near every day above 100f/38c late may-late august) I learned how user friendly the Alice ilbe kit is for the wearer. Not only does it allow air flow to your shoulders, chest and upper torso it lowers the center of gravity for you! Anyone having to traverse hilly/mountainous terrain, climb or cross water/deep ravines know how critical solid balance is.
Although I do have a chest rig I prefer my Alice set up. The Alice ilbe and PLCE are amazing for hiking, riding motorcycles, fishing…you get the idea. Using kit like this in hiking allows me to carry a smaller pack. Soooo much easier on the back.
Well done on the video!
I much prefer carrying loads on my hips. Generally not a fan of chest rigs or vests/plate carriers.
I think our forces are going to have trouble if we get into the shit in South East Asia again. We do great when we have the long logistics chain in place but decades of fighting out of trucks (HMMWV, M2 or MRAP) with H2O/Rats Class 1 and Ammunition Class 5 being a radio call away. These TAP rigs issued across the board are all too wide for the average Medium Regular Soldier, all the weight is burdened on the front. In the Asian jungles the only way its going to be usable is to flip it around backwards as a hip rig. The A-TAP convertable Chest Rig/LBE does it a little bit better but still needs improvement. Just like reports back from our volunteers in Ukraine, we got so used to be being spoled by the logistics system that living in austere environments can be a challenge. I wore ALICE LC2 during my 10 years but we didn't have a choice. You couldn't even go out and buy your own "LBV88" Tactical Load Bearing Vest TLBV, you would not be allowed to use it in the field unless the unit was issued it. That whole Dress Right Dress, Everybody Uniform OCD. I see some of the Instructors of the new generation "Jungle School" in Hawaii using late MTP PLCE mixed with MOLLE system. "We" lost tons of insitutional knowledge of Small Unit/Light Infantry/Jungle Warfare TTP over the past 2 decades. Your MOD Jungle School in Belize has a nearly uninterrupted half century of knowledge being passed on to your Troops.
I've been light infantry for 14 years, I love british webbing as a section commander. Makes life simple and keeps the real estate upfront free from obstruction
I’ve never served but webbing is my go to choice when I have to carry a load during events. I do go to ground unlike a lot of airsoft players so getting low matters to me.
Loved my PLCE - Could get tons of gear it - I wss bigger than most. I had a 32" Waist when I started 38" when I finished - meant I could add more kit in later - Cylumes / Flares and Commanders Pyrex etc.
Looks good, but I still like my own US FLC vest (got 3x Units). Each FLC vest => Front-end with 2x Triple M4 ACU pouches (handphones, powerbank, energy bar, key-chains, Anti Water plastic bags , hygiene handwash...), Left/Right waist with MLCS water pouch each (2x MLCS ACU color) + (2x Nalgene BPA Free Tritan Oasis), the rear-side with 1xACU admin pouch by Molle Webbing system attached with US-FLC vest. Balanced deployment for weekends 4x hours hiking (Para Military kind).
I waxed my 58 pattern, big wax candle rubbed all over, except straps,then hot air gun . Repeat as required. It helped .
Hi, I am 85 now and watching you lot talking about kit makes me realise that not that much has changed over the years! I served for 20 years using the 37, 44 & 58 British kit and ending up with the US as I served in three different armies. We use to adapt our kit according to where we served and what we had to do in which country. When you consider that we handled working in African savannah, Mediterranean hills and mountains, Gulf sand and Jebels, Malayan and Borneo jungles and wetlands, Hong Kong border and riot control and Vietnam hell, well you did everything you could to carry ammo, water and rations and you never carried a bergen for very long. I liked the 58 gear mixed with whatever was useful. The 37 was just for bull shit. Thank God I kept all my spare gear ( doubled up on everything as had gear in camp and in MQ) so that when I came to NZ I had some decent gear as the Kiwis lived with leftovers from WW II (BD’s and 37 pattern webbing). Yomping over Jebel territory in Muscat & Oman or Yemen with heavy gear like Jerry Cans of water plus your other gear can wear out your body as well as your boots. All the ex Paras I know who settled here or Australia have the same problems with joints and spine injuries. But hell, once a Para, always a hairy ass Para. Cheers mate. Harera
Love British PLCE webbing when set up properly. Can go prone and use a Daysack too. Unique to British infantry unlike other nations who use vests etc. Webbing is best for the field/survival.
Interesting video and looks a lovely area to walk around in, as Logistics Corp Reservist around early 00’s we got issued DPM Plce but it only had the 1 ammo pouch on the left, the right hand one was replaced with a utility pouch for all our Mars bars !
I fully approve of smack provision.
Glad to know I’m not the only loonie walking around in webbing in the Nottinghamshire countryside
:)
Thanks for another great vid Tom and Gadge, had it really been two years since the last one? Wow! As aways, entertaining and informing. I love the deeper dive in to early PLCE. As someone who used ‘58 patt, early PLCE and the later DPM version, it’s all fascinating stuff.
You’re bang on, the guys did so much modification and customisation to get the kit fit for their role, I remember thinking while PLCE was better than 58, it still had many flaws and where permitted, guys would use a mix.
Will you be covering the later DPM PLCE in another vid? Perhaps leading in to the tailored webbing Tom had?
Looking forward to videos on the varios types and styles of assault and load bearing vests! Great stuff guys, thank you
The later DPM is pretty much identical to the OD, other than the updates we mentioned in this video. We could do a shorter one on the updates? Rifleman Moores Channel has a wealth of information on this kind of subject if you are interested.
Great videos guys. As an ex Aussie digger we called ours fatman webbing as we would ditch the mag pouches for the larger minimia pouches as you could fit 6 along your back. During East Timor and early 2000’s a lot of us would private purchase 2nd hand plce 6 point yokes (Aussie H harness was only 4 point) for better comfort. Still today I managed to score a set of DPM dragon supplies belt kit and super comfortable. Always use it on my long 18km hikes. As Tom mentioned about ops waist coat a lot of people especially down under sought SADF M83 battle jackets to have some sort of chest rig.
Hey thanks for the information. I’m looking out for a set of Jay Jays or dragon webbing at the moment.
I have some PLCE webbing but my favourite was the Nam US webbing really enjoy wearing during airsoft.
Yeah it’s nice and light if you don’t need to carry much. Mag pouches are a little slow though.
Another good plod’n’tell episode! Thanks guys!
Thanks.
Some good information! I loved the history about it all. Good job.
I can send you the report I was referencing if you are interested.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV I rather watch another of your videos for the summary :D
Great video guys.
Hi. Thanks for stopping by the channel. OPS vests next.
Whoever came up with those fasteners was a genius. It's really easy to access and secure again even in the most awkward of spots. I use a webbing set to carry my falconry gear in; mainly so I don't have lumpy telemetry (which conveniently friction fits into an ammo pouch, even if it sticks out the top) and canteen knocking around which is what happened in my old hawking waistcoat. It also doesn't get all sweaty which is ace.
Do mean the "spanish buckles" as on the PLCE ammo pouches?
@@robshirewood5060 yeah, didn't know what they were called.
@@Parabueto The first time i ever saw them was on a very lightweight fabric set of 3 pouches from Spain which i found in a surplus shop, brown in colour, and the fabric was very soft and would easily be damaged by metal magazines, i took the buckles off and sewed them to a butt pouch.
Since then everyone i know has called them "spanish buckles" I have no idea of the correct military name.
Think Gadge should do a full Falklands loadout (40th Anniversary this month) GS/Para Bergen, 58 Pattern ect 😉😉
We’ve got a Falklands loadout up on the channel
@@AnvilAirsoftTV I know I saw, think I made a comment but meant a Full kit load out!! You know EVERYTHING😆😆 🥵🥵
Now that’s just cruel!
A great video guys! So many mods... I loved it!
Thanks much appreciated.
Detailed illustrations for webbing kits. Thanks.
The official fitting instructions are online as well
Loved it so much, I've just bought a set again albeit with a hippo pad this time 😂
Nice one!
Just out of curiosity.. check the early post communism CZ army copy-pasta MNS-2000. It had to accomodate bigger magazines for 7,62x39 Sa Vz 58 (+ CZ75, Sa61 and Dragunov), but for reason unknown, the great utility pouches went shorter and wider and rectangular. Later, Alp company actually made a PLCE utility pouch copy for the MNS-2000 :). But PLCE is the OG of this style of webbing and IMHO the greatest. Yokes are very tough yet comfortable and the hip pad is.. I don't known why ALICE or MNS missing that.
I’ll have a look. I really like PLCE. Hip pads were a bit late to party issue wise but they were eventually available.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV If not will make a comparision video :D
Some are still issued plce today. Got my set in my locker as a reservist. Hippo belt wast the first addition ive made. Now obviously with a plethora of small Tailors and kit available im making my own setup. Aiming to integrate some features and concepts of 58 pattern into a pals based system.
No Virtus or even osprey? Though to be fair the osprey belt kit is awful and I wasn’t impressed by the Virtus belt. I’d rather have PLCE than either
@@AnvilAirsoftTV nope plce in MTP. I was suprised. I was expecting osprey kit hand-me-downs but no plce. Its not bad but the Spanish clips are a nightmare when your trying to do a reload on the move or in the prone.
Hippo belt lol our first attempts were sections of roll mat we cut off the main matt ( which we used to cut down the far too long length) we then cable tied the cut off to the belt.
@@lordsllim8053 Still have mine taped on!
i love these kinds of videos
Hey thanks. We enjoy making them.
Thanks for sharing gents, and I have a quick question, why would you only get issued or carry one water bottle, I had about six on my field gear in the Australian Army, it is a bit warmer down this way though 👍🏻🇦🇺🇬🇧
I think you answered it for me there. Lots of people made space for another one on their belt kit and also carried more in their Bergen.
58 pattern bum roll would look nice sitting on top of the rear pouches?
I don’t really need the extra space. Anything like that would either be in day sack or back at camp.
Should always be ready to shit, shoot or sup at a moments notice :-P
Love it!
10.35, with the tailoring of extra buckles/tapes, some sneaky strap routing on the lid and the application of an extra yoke I see your two rockets and raise you seven for a total of nine on the Bergen :-p
I also have provision for two on my molle belt and just added a pair of plce zips to a gsr pouch that sits between them.
Not saying it's perfect but plce sure is open to modification and 'improvement'.
E-tool lives inside Gsr*
The Canadian forces came out with a vest in 1992-93 for use in yugo sort of canvas material. I went to Cambodia in 1993 so never got one, l found a used one (almost brand new) in a surplus store years later and quite like it. I Wasn’t a fan of the Canadian cadpat tacVest they came out with around 2004-5? I have a lumber spine injury and the weight of the tax vest put a lot of stress on my spine. The old canvas one works better for my spine for some weird reason.💂♂️🪖⛑️🏴🇨🇦
Assembling a set myself
Great stuff.
I wonder if the PLCE system developed from the SAS "Escape belt" concept.
have you ever done a webbing walk with a SAS type belt?
PLCE has a weird development. It was a big compromise. We haven’t but can probably borrow one for a walk.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV That's favourite, hope you can, looking forward to it. I have seen a number of combinations of these over the years. Thanks, stay safe and wise. Enjoy.
So with the British webbing what pack do they run with it ? Looking to build a get home/patrol set up. Always kinda like the idea of the British belt set up but I think I would need a pack to extend the time out
There are issue patrol packs. Lots of soldiers choose to buy their own. For an ‘ally’ look especially in the 90s the Berghaus Munro was popular.
@Anvil Airsoft TV ya it doesn't have to be surplus or anything just wondering with one's fit with the belt cause if I can't find that out definitely getting some jay Jay's webbing
Avoid anything with bulky waist straps or that’s too flashy. Jay jays make their own pack.
@Anvil Airsoft TV would you recommend the Jay's Jay's?
I’ve not personally used one.
MORE DOGS! 🐶😍🤗
I want to get hold of more 58 patt kit for the FAL/SLR NI loadout style stuff given the impending release of VFC's GBBR, but yeah, it isn't exactly comfortable or lightweight in general... Especially when paired with the brillo pad jumpers or "I can hear you a mile away" crisp packet waterproofs 🤔😂
I never really got to use PLCE beyond wearing a mate's on camp for a short while, definitely seemed better thought out though.
Go for a old school chest rig if you can find one. Given it’s an LAR rather than an L1A1 maybe a repro rhodie rig would work well. I do happen to have one here…
@@AnvilAirsoftTV I was also thinking Siege of Jadotville as that's mostly OD BDUs and a Brassard.
Not easy to do well that kit.
Very based video gents, nice one
Glad you enjoyed it
How compatible is that to wear with the DPM vest? Found both online at surplus stores. Considering buying both
You don’t need the load carrying capacity of both. Better off using either one with a small day sack which you can dump if needed. It depends where you like to carry weight really. You can wear both but it means having the PLCE lower than is optimal to clear the bottom of the vest.
I want to get a PLCE kit to run with my L1A1. Would i be able to fit two mags into the magazine pouches each or is there a different pouch you would recommend? Think i would want at least 2 mags on either side of my hip.
L1A1 mags are a bit too wide to comfortably fit into PLCE ammo pouches. You could run additional water bottle or utility pouches instead of the ammo ones.
@AnvilAirsoftTV thank you, definitely going to get spare utility and water pouches then. I heard if you removed the divider that you may fit 2 of them but hasn't been able to get a definitive answer anywhere
I bought a PLCE webbing set a while ago and my 2 water bottle pouches hang really low compared to all the other pouches, I want to know what would fix that
Mine are all on the same level. Not sure how I can help.
I have a genuine question: Why do you guys put the pouches in the back?
If u can't see what u doing back there
Means the weight is carried on the hips. Anything you need to get to in a hurry is in the ammo pouches. The main reason is to be able to go to ground and crawl. Anything in a pouch you can’t see would only be used whilst ina safer area. Eating etc or accessible to your buddy who can get it for you.
You also always can kind of "swing around" the belt to bring the back pouches up front, when you are not in a hurry. Last but not least, for many things in the army, this was maybe your only carry system for everything for the day, drop heavy bergen somewhere and go light with just PLCE.
@@phh2400 That is more like the SAS "junglie" type set up known as an "escape belt" with no yoke, if you are infantry or similar the yoke has to be dropped down to access rear pouches in the way you suggest. I read recently of an SAS officer in Borneo who had to drop his Bergen, ditched his belt and then evaded Indonesians with just a compass. He could not do that with a Yoke. One disadvantage of no yoke is if you run it can slip and trip you up.
In my own case i have mostly used a light weight simple two strap yoke that crosses at the back which can be stored in a pocket, daysack or bergen if not in use. So i can do what you suggest.
For longer stints i used PLCE with the mesh cut out and an added rear brace strap in the gap, as my back used to sweat like hell. I tried US H and Y types, (Y are very uncomfortable) then settled for a modified PLCE type of the 6 point design.
Tom, whats the thing you have around your neck called? I cant find its name anywhere!!!!! love the content!
It’s the issue sweat rag but I’ve had it tailored into a tube with the ends joined.
Every time i see English guys and there airsoft i think about all those firearms that was destroyed.
We have to fight every day somwere here in the U.S. to keep ar firearms.
The anti gunners reall amped it up after England and then Canada lost there gun rights. They thought they were gong to steam roll are gun rights away.
I like the gear thanks for sharing.
The vast majority of people over here are generally quite happy with the firearms laws that we do have. The US and UK are two very different countries with very different cultures.
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