I’ve spent hours reading about bags and got so much more out of this video. Thank you. It would be nice if they made a bag with synthetic under and down on the top. Rectangular is ideal for me but not many choices in ethical down. Big Agnes requires a big pad so still a conundrum but I did learn a lot here. One day I’ll figure it out. Or I’ll make my own using recycled down🧐. Something to consider.
I have the sierra designs backcountry bed. and it changed everything. I‘ve the best sleep with this hybrid system and it‘s worth carrying a few gramm more. I can save weight in other ways, But not in sleeping ✨
Love my top quilt. Wide and long is the key if you are a ground sleeper and definitely a good pad. I do have two mummy bags, one down and one synthetic. When it's super cold the mummy bag is preferred. Great video and information
Awesome info! I use both. Bag in cold and quilt in summer. I cannot use a quilt in cold weather. I tried. Not for me. I toss and turn too much and it’s a challenge to sleep deeply when I’m having to consciously battle drafts trying to keep a quilt tucked all night. My theory is that the material that gets compressed under you isn’t completely useless. It is compressed but when I turn over from side to back to side, the compressed material will loft up and provide me insulation. I know this is true because I have a hoodless bag and I don’t worry so much about rolling inside the bag...I can be sloppy with my tossing and turning and still stay warm (unlike a quilt). I’m the summer though I couldn’t care less as I’m probably only covering my tummy in temps above 60 at night
You and I have the same line of thinking. Even when it is compressed it still gives you a little bit of a barrier, more so than if it wasn't there at all.
Hiking the 2nd 1/2 of life the SD bag may be a little light for 4 season. It’s comfort is around 28 degrees. The SD nitro in 0 degree is a 4 season bag I’ve been looking at.
Good info to consider. Agree on the wider quilt thought. Mine is the regular/wide option for Enlightened Equipment and it fits me perfectly at 6' 200 lbs. Their wide width is 58".
Backcountry Exposure I know, there are so many options to choose. It’s a bit daunting. Betcha I read every review, and there are hundreds, lol. One thing I remember reading as far as width was, the wider the quilt the more material might brush against the tent wall and get condensation. Not an issue for me though.
Just bought my first down bag, and so far I’m very happy (I’m technically allergic to down, but so far no problems!), but I was just looking into buying a cottage quilt for my trip up the WCT next year! Thanks for the tips on a wider quilt!
Nice video, im.a side sleeper also, but im.6ft1 220lbs. I found the mummy bags kind of constricting, if weight isn't an issue , I was shocked to find the kelty tru comfort 20 with a built in blanket to be the most comfortable sleeping bag I've ever owned even the hood is big enough to put a full size pillow in . As far as a down more roomy dri down bag looking to buying one of nemo s spoon bags the 15 degree riff. Love nemo products including their tents like my hornet 2 P and 2016 galaxie 2 p. One thing that really surprised me was kelty,s new all. In 2 p its uncanny how comparible it is to the nemo dagger. They are the same packed weight,3 lbs 14 oz the dagger is 3 sq ft bigger has 15 d in the fly and mesh and 30 d in the floor while the all in has 15 d in the mesh and 40 d in the fly and floor. The nemo is $399 full retail and the kelty is $279.
Putting out a lot of great info here. I personly don't like mummy bags either. Quilts changed my sleep experience entirely. I'm also a warm sleeper which is conducive to quilts. Love me EE long wide.
I have tried (really tried) to use a quilt system but I found, like you, that it just does not work well for me. I purchased a Mountain Laurel Design 30 degree quilt, which should have kept me more than warm enough on summer nights, but I constantly woke up from cold drafts no matter how carefully I tucked in the edges of the quilt. I use high end insulated pads so cold coming up from the ground was never a problem. I move around quite a bit at night which can be a problem when using quilts so I tried using a bivy sack in conjunction with the quilt, which helped out somewhat. But the weight of the bivy sack and quilt added up to the weight of a really nice down sleeping bag. And really, the comfort level of a sleeping bag can be adjusted with a simple pull on the zipper, which is much easier, and more relaxing, that being careful how you move around all night. The quilt now has a second life as part of my winter sleeping system draped around a 0 degree bag. It can add about 15 degrees of warmth on those cold winter nights, plus it is much easier to shake the frost off of it and dry in the winter sun.
Even with pad straps I struggle with a quilt in three season use. Summer is good, but shoulder seasons in Utah it's tough. Sounds like you've found the right system for you!
I imagine a quilt or two inside a wide bivy sack, within a tent might be a good winter solution. Really, quilts should have a single layer underneath you, enclosed like a sleeping bag but wider and without the insulation below. That would only add a couple of ounces, and it would go along way to help keep out the draft. Synthetic quilts would be great, but hard to find in stores. The down always is limited by condensation...you wont be able to escape that.
Lots of great information packed into this video. I agree about making sure one has a wide enough quilt, especially if they’re a side sleeper. That Sierra Designs bag looks really nice.
compressibility and packweight is always a concern for me. along with a good R rating. I have some -20 -30 degree bags, but they weigh more than i'm willing to back in.
I can’t go back to using sleeping bags because I know the down I’m laying on is being completely wasted. I got to let my 0° EE Enigma shine when we did a Carter Dome AMC hut trip a couple months ago. Mmmmm downy goodness. Nothing beats lofty down
I really would like to learn more about synthetic because they could be valuable in the right environment. The new synthetic materials are supposed to be a lot better but I haven't read much about them as most people want down and there is less material. However, like synthetic jackets and apparel, the new synthetic is supposed to be very similar to down as it is designed to be similar to down in shape and function but with synthetic fibers that are hydrophobic and therefore do not absorb water. It could be very interesting; especially for people who live in wet environments like the NW.
Rudy Sal: Synthetic sleeping bags (or clothes) are fine and will keep you warm.....the main problem with them is weight and size. A down sleeping bag will be much lighter than an equivalent-specs synthetic bag and it will pack away into a much smaller space. The good news is that synthetic bags are usually a lot cheaper than down bags and they perform better when wet.
I like a sleeping bag, but it needs to be more rectangular and less mummy. I really like the Western Mountaineering bags. also like a full zipper to be able to open it up and kick a foot out in warm weather. I'll take the hit on weight. Would like to try a Nemo bag with the "gills".
David Sullivan I just got the new Kayu from Nemo and it has the gills. Pretty cool so far, but will have a better idea how that bag is after this coming weekend.
I have the nemo reff 15 and the gills are cool but they don't help too much but I haven't slept in that cold of conditions yet so maybe when it is closer to 20 - 25 degrees, it would be nice to open it up more but the spoon shape is great. Allows me to move my knees up at times and the material is great.
I like the idea of a mummy bag, but I need a bag that allows me to i can lay on my side.. i'l will never be in super cold or below 30.. but water proof is a plus, and still hopefully less the 5 pnds.. Suggestions ?
Sure you want it small and light. But will it protect you? I prefer the MUMMY SLEEPING BAG. that are down filled . Want it thick , comfortable and water proof. I DON'T CARE IF THAT THE ONLY THING I CAN CARRY. The biggest problem with Mummy Bags is. they don't buy them, big enough ! Want it lose where you can turn in them ~ You don't have to spend a fortune for a good mummy bag> Mine only cost 24 dollars and rated below -0 deg > Do your home work, and look at them very close, size, the down fill, ect ect ect
Great info and a lot that I didn't know. I really didn't know anything about the quilts. So here is my question... Do you have a video on winter backpacking bags?? As you saw my bag now is very warm but very big!! I am literally looking right now at dozens of 0 degree bags and most don't show any pack dimensions. Any advice?? Thanks man
I did my first winter camp this last weekend and my feet was freezing. Do you have any tips on good socks or anything I can do to stay warm? Also going to pick up a quality bag
I hate mummy bags. I'm a crazy restless sleeper and would like a lot of foot room. I'm going to be shopping for a new bag but don't want a mummy. Any suggestions?
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fingerling1231 fair statement. Brands like Nemo and Sierra Designs work hard to promote ethical sourcing of down and that makes buying those products more inviting knowing a company makes that a priority.
Excellent job explaining the differences between the three options! Super helpful!!!
Dan Becker 😁👊🏻
I’ve spent hours reading about bags and got so much more out of this video. Thank you.
It would be nice if they made a bag with synthetic under and down on the top. Rectangular is ideal for me but not many choices in ethical down. Big Agnes requires a big pad so still a conundrum but I did learn a lot here. One day I’ll figure it out. Or I’ll make my own using recycled down🧐. Something to consider.
We’re about to buy a sleep system for my wife. Appreciate all the info man. Great vid!
Jeremiah Stringer Hikes 👊🏻 thanks man!
I have the sierra designs backcountry bed. and it changed everything. I‘ve the best sleep with this hybrid system and it‘s worth carrying a few gramm more. I can save weight in other ways, But not in sleeping ✨
Love my top quilt. Wide and long is the key if you are a ground sleeper and definitely a good pad. I do have two mummy bags, one down and one synthetic. When it's super cold the mummy bag is preferred. Great video and information
I am still bummed about not getting my Burrow right... totally my bad. Thanks Josh! Loved your karate video!
@@BackcountryExposure thanks man!
Awesome info!
I use both. Bag in cold and quilt in summer. I cannot use a quilt in cold weather. I tried. Not for me. I toss and turn too much and it’s a challenge to sleep deeply when I’m having to consciously battle drafts trying to keep a quilt tucked all night.
My theory is that the material that gets compressed under you isn’t completely useless. It is compressed but when I turn over from side to back to side, the compressed material will loft up and provide me insulation. I know this is true because I have a hoodless bag and I don’t worry so much about rolling inside the bag...I can be sloppy with my tossing and turning and still stay warm (unlike a quilt).
I’m the summer though I couldn’t care less as I’m probably only covering my tummy in temps above 60 at night
You and I have the same line of thinking. Even when it is compressed it still gives you a little bit of a barrier, more so than if it wasn't there at all.
Backcountry Exposure I agree 100
That's why I like a bag that has a full zipper. You get the best of both worlds.
1:06 'don't live in wet environment' ...kneeling in snow 🤷♀️
Matthew Claude ha! Utah is a desert. The point is I don’t live in a humid or wet environment like the north east, or the south or the very wet PNW. 👍🏻
Great info for the beginning backpacker!
I’m debating getting something so I can go 4 season backpacking next winter. That Sierra Designs bag looks intriguing. Thanks for doing this video!
Hiking the 2nd 1/2 of life the SD bag may be a little light for 4 season. It’s comfort is around 28 degrees. The SD nitro in 0 degree is a 4 season bag I’ve been looking at.
Backcountry Exposure thanks I’ll check it out!
Nice Video, good and informative. I am looking to get a quilt and try that out. We will see what the future holds.
Wasatch Back Explorer me too. Was just looking into it this weekend. What pad do you use?
Would love to know what you end up getting! Quilts are cool!
I am looking at the paria outdoor products quilt and I would pair it up with the Nemo tensor insulated. But I am still looking around.
Wasatch Back Explorer that tensor tho! Man that’s one fine looking pad! Haha!
@@outboundjesse2558 Ya it is super nice!!
Good info to consider. Agree on the wider quilt thought. Mine is the regular/wide option for Enlightened Equipment and it fits me perfectly at 6' 200 lbs. Their wide width is 58".
Nice! I have been on their website about 40 times and keep trying to decide on getting a bag from them. 58" is a good width for ground sleeping.
Backcountry Exposure I know, there are so many options to choose. It’s a bit daunting. Betcha I read every review, and there are hundreds, lol. One thing I remember reading as far as width was, the wider the quilt the more material might brush against the tent wall and get condensation. Not an issue for me though.
Chris Mays yes that would be something to pay attention to.
Just bought my first down bag, and so far I’m very happy (I’m technically allergic to down, but so far no problems!), but I was just looking into buying a cottage quilt for my trip up the WCT next year! Thanks for the tips on a wider quilt!
Thanks Jesse! Like the new name BTW!
Backcountry Exposure thanks Devin! Still working on a few things before launch day (March 1 🤞)! Thanks for your advice and support!
Nice video, im.a side sleeper also, but im.6ft1 220lbs. I found the mummy bags kind of constricting, if weight isn't an issue , I was shocked to find the kelty tru comfort 20 with a built in blanket to be the most comfortable sleeping bag I've ever owned even the hood is big enough to put a full size pillow in . As far as a down more roomy dri down bag looking to buying one of nemo s spoon bags the 15 degree riff. Love nemo products including their tents like my hornet 2 P and 2016 galaxie 2 p. One thing that really surprised me was kelty,s new all. In 2 p its uncanny how comparible it is to the nemo dagger. They are the same packed weight,3 lbs 14 oz the dagger is 3 sq ft bigger has 15 d in the fly and mesh and 30 d in the floor while the all in has 15 d in the mesh and 40 d in the fly and floor. The nemo is $399 full retail and the kelty is $279.
Putting out a lot of great info here. I personly don't like mummy bags either. Quilts changed my sleep experience entirely. I'm also a warm sleeper which is conducive to quilts. Love me EE long wide.
The Backpack Blazer which EE you got? I should know that, ha ha.
Revaluation 20
I have tried (really tried) to use a quilt system but I found, like you, that it just does not work well for me. I purchased a Mountain Laurel Design 30 degree quilt, which should have kept me more than warm enough on summer nights, but I constantly woke up from cold drafts no matter how carefully I tucked in the edges of the quilt. I use high end insulated pads so cold coming up from the ground was never a problem. I move around quite a bit at night which can be a problem when using quilts so I tried using a bivy sack in conjunction with the quilt, which helped out somewhat. But the weight of the bivy sack and quilt added up to the weight of a really nice down sleeping bag. And really, the comfort level of a sleeping bag can be adjusted with a simple pull on the zipper, which is much easier, and more relaxing, that being careful how you move around all night. The quilt now has a second life as part of my winter sleeping system draped around a 0 degree bag. It can add about 15 degrees of warmth on those cold winter nights, plus it is much easier to shake the frost off of it and dry in the winter sun.
Even with pad straps I struggle with a quilt in three season use. Summer is good, but shoulder seasons in Utah it's tough. Sounds like you've found the right system for you!
I imagine a quilt or two inside a wide bivy sack, within a tent might be a good winter solution.
Really, quilts should have a single layer underneath you, enclosed like a sleeping bag but wider and without the insulation below. That would only add a couple of ounces, and it would go along way to help keep out the draft. Synthetic quilts would be great, but hard to find in stores. The down always is limited by condensation...you wont be able to escape that.
Lots of great information packed into this video. I agree about making sure one has a wide enough quilt, especially if they’re a side sleeper. That Sierra Designs bag looks really nice.
Tom Willard thanks Tom! A little long winded but hopefully people find it useful.
Great information here in one place Devin.
Tim, aren't you a hammock guy? I'm not but I'm guessing quilts are ideal for hammocks since you have that bottom quilt to keep your backside toasty.
compressibility and packweight is always a concern for me. along with a good R rating. I have some -20 -30 degree bags, but they weigh more than i'm willing to back in.
I can’t go back to using sleeping bags because I know the down I’m laying on is being completely wasted. I got to let my 0° EE Enigma shine when we did a Carter Dome AMC hut trip a couple months ago. Mmmmm downy goodness. Nothing beats lofty down
mmmmmm lofty down! Ha ha!
good luck with your combination bag.....
What is the brand and model of the Green and Orange Mummy bag?
Very good. Thank you very much
Thomas Nugent thank you!
I really would like to learn more about synthetic because they could be valuable in the right environment. The new synthetic materials are supposed to be a lot better but I haven't read much about them as most people want down and there is less material. However, like synthetic jackets and apparel, the new synthetic is supposed to be very similar to down as it is designed to be similar to down in shape and function but with synthetic fibers that are hydrophobic and therefore do not absorb water. It could be very interesting; especially for people who live in wet environments like the NW.
I recently bought a synthetic jacket, (montane) and man I love it. I think synthetics are really improving. I may replace my down puffy with this.
Rudy Sal: Synthetic sleeping bags (or clothes) are fine and will keep you warm.....the main problem with them is weight and size. A down sleeping bag will be much lighter than an equivalent-specs synthetic bag and it will pack away into a much smaller space. The good news is that synthetic bags are usually a lot cheaper than down bags and they perform better when wet.
I like a sleeping bag, but it needs to be more rectangular and less mummy. I really like the Western Mountaineering bags. also like a full zipper to be able to open it up and kick a foot out in warm weather. I'll take the hit on weight. Would like to try a Nemo bag with the "gills".
David Sullivan I just got the new Kayu from Nemo and it has the gills. Pretty cool so far, but will have a better idea how that bag is after this coming weekend.
I have the nemo reff 15 and the gills are cool but they don't help too much but I haven't slept in that cold of conditions yet so maybe when it is closer to 20 - 25 degrees, it would be nice to open it up more but the spoon shape is great. Allows me to move my knees up at times and the material is great.
I like the idea of a mummy bag, but I need a bag that allows me to i can lay on my side.. i'l will never be in super cold or below 30.. but water proof is a plus, and still hopefully less the 5 pnds.. Suggestions ?
Great video. Thank you!
Thank you!
Sure you want it small and light. But will it protect you? I prefer the MUMMY SLEEPING BAG. that are down filled . Want it thick , comfortable and water proof. I DON'T CARE IF THAT THE ONLY THING I CAN CARRY. The biggest problem with Mummy Bags is. they don't buy them, big enough ! Want it lose where you can turn in them ~ You don't have to spend a fortune for a good mummy bag> Mine only cost 24 dollars and rated below -0 deg > Do your home work, and look at them very close, size, the down fill, ect ect ect
A rectangular sleeping bag or a sleeping bag long? Better?
Have you tested out the outdoor vitals 15 degree quilt yet? I noticed you had one. Is it worth the money? How was the warmth of the bag?
Melody Wilson I still need to film the review of that quilt. It’s actually pretty nice, but it’s not perfect.
Great info and a lot that I didn't know. I really didn't know anything about the quilts. So here is my question... Do you have a video on winter backpacking bags??
As you saw my bag now is very warm but very big!! I am literally looking right now at dozens of 0 degree bags and most don't show any pack dimensions. Any advice??
Thanks man
Haggard Wilderness shoot me a text, Jason. I don’t have any specific videos on winter bags. But let’s chat!
Moutain hardwear Ghost whisperer 20F 900 fill. 1.12 Lbs for long. About to test its limits.
Look at this guy saying if you’re interested in something go out and buy it like we all have that kind of money 😂 nice breakdown though
I did my first winter camp this last weekend and my feet was freezing. Do you have any tips on good socks or anything I can do to stay warm? Also going to pick up a quality bag
Get a hot water bottle
I hate mummy bags. I'm a crazy restless sleeper and would like a lot of foot room. I'm going to be shopping for a new bag but don't want a mummy. Any suggestions?
That hybrid sleeping bag sucks if you're a side sleeper.
quilts.....no zipper....did not work as the heat escaped everythime I moved....
Philip Buckley pad straps are your best friend.
Great video 😊🌲
I’m looking for a Down mummy bag rated for -20 Fahrenheit under $300, any recommendations
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Here in canada we cannot sleep out side in the winter no matter what kinda of sleeping bag u well freeze to death
Doesn't live in a wet environment, does review in snow.
Frissdas1207 Utah is a desert! Just cause there is snow doesn’t make it a wet, humid environment.
I almost fell asleep watching this.
less weed
quilts....bags with no zipper is no good...because it is impossible to keep the open area, under you...
“I don’t really live in a wet environment” -surrounded by snow 😂
You have to understand I live in Utah... it’s incredibly dry here!
There's also the ethical concerns of using down. I'll only ever get a synthetic sleeping bag or quilt.
fingerling1231 fair statement. Brands like Nemo and Sierra Designs work hard to promote ethical sourcing of down and that makes buying those products more inviting knowing a company makes that a priority.
Quilts are only good for people who dont realise sleeping bags unzip.
ha ha, true. But people also don't want the weight of a zipper, and the bag is still going to have a hood, which not everyone wants either. :)
When will America join the rest of the world and start using METRIC???
5’9 might be average size for a man in Asia. But not in the good ol USA ya shrimp! Shrimp 🍤 jk. Great explanation oh how dumb a quilt is.