I believe what rinpochen told about the bitter incidents. What a dirty politics had been created even we have no country . Imagine if Tibet is free what stupidity will happen? What a shame.
Tibetan exile government please stop this type of controversy both thaye dorje and ogyen dorje are genuine karmapa. If you want to follow ogyen dorje,you can follow because that is your right. But please don't blame on shamar Rinpoche. Please this is my humble request for all devotees and specially for karma kagyu lineage and tibetan exile government. Stop this type of politics in religious matter 🙏🙏🙏
Sur l'Arbre de Refuge de la lignée Karma Kagyu, il y a qu'un seul KARMAPA sur le trône. Donc, il ne peut y avoir deux karmapas. Thaye est souillé par l'impureté de l'esprit de shamar. Et tous les gens qui le suivent sont aussi contaminés.
Gist of the matter is that he says that two trulkus are possible. Moreover he says he has personally accepted Trulku Ugyen Thriley but he is fighting officially for Rumtek monastery that don't recognise trulku Urgyen Thinley (please refer 2.20 of part 2). In these 3 part videos Kunzig Shamar rimpoche always shows respect to Dalai lama and his opponents, which shows that Shamarpa is truly an enlightened being. So lets be faithful to his memory and be respectful to both Dalai Lama and Urgyen Thinley Dorji. So Let us follow the way of Shamar Rinpoche and just follow our choice without paying any heed to the devils in our camp or in the other's camp. Forgiveness, compassion and patience are the way of Buddha.
Shamar Rinpoche has uttered a lots of blasphe,mine words against the 17th Karmapa Ogyen Dohdul Trenlay Dorje, example , he has said that Karmapa can not be held in equal to high deities ,or not meditated as authentic or identical to the high deties like Mahakala , or chooku Dorjre chang chenpo.In mussal mun communities, where emotion is not under full control,with ,much patience, the over flow of emotions,will spark violence,and lead thee speaker like Shamar to stone to death . The Tibetan public, somehow they have the patience and indurance to Contain em,otions .Shamar says,Karmapa is an ordinary being..It is abominablr, very very bad ,against the norms and the principle of the relations between the root Guru and the high deties, Agaimst the whole teachings of the Tibetan Buddhism.
(1) Decades ago, the Shamarpa asked the Dalai Lama to endorse Thaye Dorje as the Karmapa. Shamarpa proved to the Dalai Lama that Thaye Dorje was the Karmapa. The Dalai Lama still refused as it will make the Dalai Lama look bad for endorsing Ogyen Trinley. ~ czcams.com/video/QJJXYAz3Bz0/video.html It is known that Tai Situ Rinpoche recognized Ogyen Trinley by stealth. Tai Situ Rinpoche used the Dalai Lama's fame to promote his Ogyen Trinley candidate in order to secure the Karmapa wealth of many generations. (2) Even though the Dalai Lama endorsed Ogyen Trinley as Karmapa, Thaye Dorje could not be restrained and continues to grow immensely in popularity all over the world. Even without the Dalai Lama's endorsement, the Karmapa Thaye Dorje is growing in importance. Tai Situ Rinpoche thought that without the Dalai Lama's endorsement, the Karmapa Thaye Dorje would fall and become nothing. He was wrong. (3) Shamarpa Rinpoche had asked the Dalai Lama to at least ordain Thaye Dorje as a monk when he was very young and the Dalai Lama refused. This refusal hurt Shamarpa and the Karmapa Thaye Dorje very much. The Dalai Lama sidelined Shamarpa Rinpoche and Thaye Dorje. It was a grievous insult and detrimental interference. In the Karma Kagyu tradition it is the Shamarpa who is the first and foremost to recognize the Karmapas and only in his absence do other regents recognize the Karmapas. Not only did the Dalai Lama interfere in Karma Kagyu affairs but the Dalai Lama took sides. That caused so much fighting and disharmony within the Karma Kagyu school of Buddhism. Tai Situ Rinpoche was wrong not to consult with Shamarpa Rinpoche in all of this. (4) The Dalai Lama had no business interfering in Karma Kagyu traditions by recognizing a Karmapa. In the history of the Karma Kagyu school, there has not been one Karmapa recognized by a Dalai Lama nor did they ever need the Dalai Lama's endorsement. This interference by the Dalai Lama has caused the Karma Kagyu school to take two sides and broke them up and created much disharmony. The disharmony, fighting and mud-slinging as to which one is the real Karmapa has continued to this day in 2019. (5) Shamarpa Rinpoche passed away in 2014 and it is up to the Karmapa to recognize his incarnation without the endorsement or interference of the Dalai Lama. (6) Now the Karmapa Thaye Dorje recognizes his son born in 2018 as Shamarpa Rinpoche's incarnation and he does not ask the Dalai Lama to endorse this incarnation. He does not need it. The Dalai Lama has done enough damage. This will shift the dynamics of the Karma Kagyu school again in favor of the Shamarpa Rinpoche's side. Unfortunately, it will make Ogyen Trinley look strange and left out in the cold. Within the Kagyu school, the Shamarpa is the next highest incarnation after the Karmapa. The Karmapas always recognized Shamarpas and vice versa. It shows that the Karmapa Thaye Dorje has the full authority to recognize the next highest incarnation within their school on his own. This Shamarpa will be spiritually trained by the Karmapa Thaye Dorje himself without the influence of the aged Dalai Lama and his government-in-exile which most Karma Kagyus consider a regime. (7) During the Kagyu Monlam prayers in Bodhgaya on January 2019, Thaye Dorje was there leading the Monlam (New Year's prayers) and so was the Dalai Lama in Bodhgaya, giving teachings in another location nearby. The Dalai Lama, while in Bodhgaya, wanted to meet Thaye Dorje but Thaye Dorje refused. Thaye Dorje avoided the Dalai Lama. It was an insult to the Dalai Lama that he had to accept for all the damage he had done in their Karmapa affair and Karma Kagyu school. The Dalai Lama had sidelined Shamarpa and Thaye Dorje when asked to endorse Thaye Dorje decades ago. Now that the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley has run away to the USA, the Dalai Lama wants to be friendly with Thaye Dorje so that he can get on the Karma Kagyu school's good side. Without the Dalai Lama's permission, the two Karmapas met in France and decided to mend the rift. This will make the Dalai Lama look bad. Even the Dalai Lama did not think in such a big way or a middle way to help mend the rift. Too bad and too late for the Dalai Lama to make friends with the Karma Kagyu school of Buddhism. So much damage has been done. But the Karmapa Thaye Dorje is on the way to mending all this. Karma Tsogyal
I too have great faith in Shamar Rinpoche, so lets be true to his memory. If we listen carefully he just says that two trulkus are possible. Moreover he says he has personally accepted Trulku Ugyen Thriley but he is fighting officially for Rumtek monastery that don't recognise him (please refer 2.20 of part 2). Thaye Dorji Rimpoche is an enlightened trulku without any sense of anger, attachment or ego so he would have like to meet Dalai Lama. Ofcourse the devils in his entourage would have discourage two great souls from meeting. Many people like me who believe in Karmapa Thaye have respect for Dalai Lama too. In these 3 part videos note how Kunzig Shamar rimpoche always shows respect to Dalai lama, that shows that Shamarpa is truly enlightened being. So lets be faithful to his memory and be respectful to both Dalai Lama and Urgyen Thinley Dorji. Whether we insult them or praise them it doesnt make any difference to the true trulkus. So Let us follow the way of Shamar Rinpoche and not pay any heed to the devils in our camp or in the other's camp. Forgiveness, compassion and patience are the way of Buddha. I am so happy that Dungse is recognized as Shamar Rinpoche. This world is full of selfish, narrow minded, short sighted people so we need more trulkus.
Thanks for explanation, and I tell you what, I’m westerner but able to see clearly the capacity of who is in the screen and I completely felt all this before reading or know about it. Karmapa Thaye Dorjes presence is undeniably beyond any other. 💎🙏🌹✨☀️
I never met Shamarpa in life but to me he was the first step into being Buddhist , and he wasn’t alive so I can imagine his presence was also extremely imposing when alive 🌷🧡🌷I suppose that’s the way it is for the fire lords 🙏🙏🙏💎🌹💕
don’t ever try to mention urgen tulku. What are you telling about urgen chokchulingpa prophecy, ( 17 Karmapa wil be close to situ Rinpoche) that’s why don’t ever try to delude the what is right. Don’t try to lie everytime !
Sharma greed for power n his politics created lots of negative karma leading to his early demise.Charlatan thaye is left alone to continue this mess. Pity the followers
He can live and pass away by his will. How funny for you to have pity on them. Better focus on practicing Buddha's teaching or convert to other religion and stop making mess in our religion.
@@tandindorji1591 better u keep the little money or wisdom if u have than to propagate thaye cult on CZcams. Better still, go feed some yaks to make yourself useful
@@tandindorji1591 who are you to tell others to convert ... You don't own Buddhism nor your shamar Rinpoche..... This is not the way higher beings should react .... I don't think enlightened souls act like this
I don’t understand but I’m sure it’s a greater message 🙏🙏🙏🌷🌷🌷💎💎💎🌈🌈🌈💐💐💐🧡🧡🧡
I believe what rinpochen told about the bitter incidents. What a dirty politics had been created even we have no country . Imagine if Tibet is free what stupidity will happen? What a shame.
Wish to see soon Renpochi tuku
🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹💐💐💐🙏🙏🙏
I really like Shamarpa Rinpoche.... 🙏🙏🙏
🙏🙇♀️🙏🙇♀️🙏❤
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H. H. Kunzig Shamar Rinpoche was saying the truth but it is very sad that some of bullshit Tibetan against his truth.
Plzz i wnt to contact with dali lamma
Tibetan exile government please stop this type of controversy both thaye dorje and ogyen dorje are genuine karmapa.
If you want to follow ogyen dorje,you can follow because that is your right.
But please don't blame on shamar Rinpoche.
Please this is my humble request for all devotees and specially for karma kagyu lineage and tibetan exile government. Stop this type of politics in religious matter 🙏🙏🙏
Sur l'Arbre de Refuge de la lignée Karma Kagyu, il y a qu'un seul KARMAPA sur le trône.
Donc, il ne peut y avoir deux karmapas.
Thaye est souillé par l'impureté de l'esprit de shamar. Et tous les gens qui le suivent sont aussi contaminés.
any body can explain in English ?
Gist of the matter is that he says that two trulkus are possible. Moreover he says he has personally accepted Trulku Ugyen Thriley but he is fighting officially for Rumtek monastery that don't recognise trulku Urgyen Thinley (please refer 2.20 of part 2).
In these 3 part videos Kunzig Shamar rimpoche always shows respect to Dalai lama and his opponents, which shows that Shamarpa is truly an enlightened being. So lets be faithful to his memory and be respectful to both Dalai Lama and Urgyen Thinley Dorji. So Let us follow the way of Shamar Rinpoche and just follow our choice without paying any heed to the devils in our camp or in the other's camp.
Forgiveness, compassion and patience are the way of Buddha.
gava karmapa🙏
How come he's not wearing a funny hat?
Shamar Rinpoche has uttered a lots of blasphe,mine words against the 17th Karmapa Ogyen Dohdul Trenlay Dorje, example , he has said that
Karmapa can not be held in equal to high deities ,or not meditated as
authentic or identical to the high deties like Mahakala , or chooku Dorjre chang chenpo.In mussal mun communities, where emotion is not under
full control,with ,much patience, the over flow of emotions,will spark violence,and lead thee speaker like Shamar to stone to death .
The Tibetan public, somehow they have the patience and indurance to
Contain em,otions .Shamar says,Karmapa is an ordinary being..It is abominablr, very very bad ,against the norms and the principle of the relations between the root Guru and the high deties, Agaimst the whole teachings of the Tibetan Buddhism.
(1) Decades ago, the Shamarpa asked the Dalai Lama to endorse Thaye Dorje as the Karmapa. Shamarpa proved to the Dalai Lama that Thaye Dorje was the Karmapa. The Dalai Lama still refused as it will make the Dalai Lama look bad for endorsing Ogyen Trinley. ~ czcams.com/video/QJJXYAz3Bz0/video.html
It is known that Tai Situ Rinpoche recognized Ogyen Trinley by stealth. Tai Situ Rinpoche used the Dalai Lama's fame to promote his Ogyen Trinley candidate in order to secure the Karmapa wealth of many generations.
(2) Even though the Dalai Lama endorsed Ogyen Trinley as Karmapa, Thaye Dorje could not be restrained and continues to grow immensely in popularity all over the world. Even without the Dalai Lama's endorsement, the Karmapa Thaye Dorje is growing in importance. Tai Situ Rinpoche thought that without the Dalai Lama's endorsement, the Karmapa Thaye Dorje would fall and become nothing. He was wrong.
(3) Shamarpa Rinpoche had asked the Dalai Lama to at least ordain Thaye Dorje as a monk when he was very young and the Dalai Lama refused. This refusal hurt Shamarpa and the Karmapa Thaye Dorje very much. The Dalai Lama sidelined Shamarpa Rinpoche and Thaye Dorje. It was a grievous insult and detrimental interference. In the Karma Kagyu tradition it is the Shamarpa who is the first and foremost to recognize the Karmapas and only in his absence do other regents recognize the Karmapas. Not only did the Dalai Lama interfere in Karma Kagyu affairs but the Dalai Lama took sides. That caused so much fighting and disharmony within the Karma Kagyu school of Buddhism. Tai Situ Rinpoche was wrong not to consult with Shamarpa Rinpoche in all of this.
(4) The Dalai Lama had no business interfering in Karma Kagyu traditions by recognizing a Karmapa. In the history of the Karma Kagyu school, there has not been one Karmapa recognized by a Dalai Lama nor did they ever need the Dalai Lama's endorsement. This interference by the Dalai Lama has caused the Karma Kagyu school to take two sides and broke them up and created much disharmony. The disharmony, fighting and mud-slinging as to which one is the real Karmapa has continued to this day in 2019.
(5) Shamarpa Rinpoche passed away in 2014 and it is up to the Karmapa to recognize his incarnation without the endorsement or interference of the Dalai Lama.
(6) Now the Karmapa Thaye Dorje recognizes his son born in 2018 as Shamarpa Rinpoche's incarnation and he does not ask the Dalai Lama to endorse this incarnation. He does not need it. The Dalai Lama has done enough damage. This will shift the dynamics of the Karma Kagyu school again in favor of the Shamarpa Rinpoche's side. Unfortunately, it will make Ogyen Trinley look strange and left out in the cold. Within the Kagyu school, the Shamarpa is the next highest incarnation after the Karmapa. The Karmapas always recognized Shamarpas and vice versa. It shows that the Karmapa Thaye Dorje has the full authority to recognize the next highest incarnation within their school on his own. This Shamarpa will be spiritually trained by the Karmapa Thaye Dorje himself without the influence of the aged Dalai Lama and his government-in-exile which most Karma Kagyus consider a regime.
(7) During the Kagyu Monlam prayers in Bodhgaya on January 2019, Thaye Dorje was there leading the Monlam (New Year's prayers) and so was the Dalai Lama in Bodhgaya, giving teachings in another location nearby. The Dalai Lama, while in Bodhgaya, wanted to meet Thaye Dorje but Thaye Dorje refused. Thaye Dorje avoided the Dalai Lama. It was an insult to the Dalai Lama that he had to accept for all the damage he had done in their Karmapa affair and Karma Kagyu school.
The Dalai Lama had sidelined Shamarpa and Thaye Dorje when asked to endorse Thaye Dorje decades ago. Now that the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley has run away to the USA, the Dalai Lama wants to be friendly with Thaye Dorje so that he can get on the Karma Kagyu school's good side. Without the Dalai Lama's permission, the two Karmapas met in France and decided to mend the rift. This will make the Dalai Lama look bad. Even the Dalai Lama did not think in such a big way or a middle way to help mend the rift. Too bad and too late for the Dalai Lama to make friends with the Karma Kagyu school of Buddhism.
So much damage has been done. But the Karmapa Thaye Dorje is on the way to mending all this.
Karma Tsogyal
I too have great faith in Shamar Rinpoche, so lets be true to his memory. If we listen carefully he just says that two trulkus are possible. Moreover he says he has personally accepted Trulku Ugyen Thriley but he is fighting officially for Rumtek monastery that don't recognise him (please refer 2.20 of part 2).
Thaye Dorji Rimpoche is an enlightened trulku without any sense of anger, attachment or ego so he would have like to meet Dalai Lama. Ofcourse the devils in his entourage would have discourage two great souls from meeting. Many people like me who believe in Karmapa Thaye have respect for Dalai Lama too. In these 3 part videos note how Kunzig Shamar rimpoche always shows respect to Dalai lama, that shows that Shamarpa is truly enlightened being. So lets be faithful to his memory and be respectful to both Dalai Lama and Urgyen Thinley Dorji. Whether we insult them or praise them it doesnt make any difference to the true trulkus. So Let us follow the way of Shamar Rinpoche and not pay any heed to the devils in our camp or in the other's camp.
Forgiveness, compassion and patience are the way of Buddha. I am so happy that Dungse is recognized as Shamar Rinpoche. This world is full of selfish, narrow minded, short sighted people so we need more trulkus.
Thanks for explanation, and I tell you what, I’m westerner but able to see clearly the capacity of who is in the screen and I completely felt all this before reading or know about it. Karmapa Thaye Dorjes presence is undeniably beyond any other. 💎🙏🌹✨☀️
I never met Shamarpa in life but to me he was the first step into being Buddhist , and he wasn’t alive so I can imagine his presence was also extremely imposing when alive 🌷🧡🌷I suppose that’s the way it is for the fire lords 🙏🙏🙏💎🌹💕
I have big secret
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Very sorry to hear about the fact , I hope everything will resolve peace .
don’t ever try to mention urgen tulku. What are you telling about urgen chokchulingpa prophecy, ( 17 Karmapa wil be close to situ Rinpoche) that’s why don’t ever try to delude the what is right. Don’t try to lie everytime !
Sharma greed for power n his politics created lots of negative karma leading to his early demise.Charlatan thaye is left alone to continue this mess. Pity the followers
He can live and pass away by his will. How funny for you to have pity on them. Better focus on practicing Buddha's teaching or convert to other religion and stop making mess in our religion.
@@tandindorji1591 better u keep the little money or wisdom if u have than to propagate thaye cult on CZcams. Better still, go feed some yaks to make yourself useful
@@tandindorji1591 who are you to tell others to convert ... You don't own Buddhism nor your shamar Rinpoche..... This is not the way higher beings should react .... I don't think enlightened souls act like this