This is the BEST Teenage Climber in Cycling HISTORY
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- Lanterne Rouge presents an analysis of Juan Ayuso's climbing performances in his first full year of WorldTour cycling.
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Him and pogacar one two attacking in the tour could be scary
This was a great idea, to do like a rider profile with examples and all. You should definitely do more of this! Good job.
Ayuso reminds me a lot of Pogacar, not only with the power spike at the end but also in riding style and demeanor. Could become one of the greats.
A star! Keep shining your light 💡 ❤️ 🚴🏽
Hey Lanterne, is possible for you to make a video about best performances of Davide Rebellin as a tribute for him?
Would be nice, but it is probably not possible/way too big a hassle to get the rights for old footage, as LR stated at some point in the past.
Good idea, but as Chris said, rights could be difficult
@@LanterneRougeCycling I was afraid, this is the case.
Great idea though!
Thanks for the video. Unlike most cycling videos I always seem to learn some from your postings!
Hey LR, would you consider making a series of short videos to help newcomers better understand the sport of cycling? Things like key tactics, races, terminology, rider types, etc? I think it could pretty helpful for newer viewers
Seconded
Things like the various competitions within one race; climbing points and sprinting points, how responsibilities within a team are meted out, what the hell's with all the vehicles? Neutral support? Feed zones and their rules.
Someone (kaph.. USACycling...) should promote the sport more in the USA by making it easier for the normal person to grasp (cough...USACycling).
-Thoughts of a retired Cat 2 roadie
This is a great idea, but I vote that a team of fans chop up the existing clips and podcasts into a series of mash ups, and maybe @peaktorque can do a backing soundtrack.
One aspect of cycling that remains somewhat mysterious to me is the whole practice of teams early on in the race policing who gets into breaks... that seems to usually go on well before televised coverage starts and there must be a lot of strategy involved.
Could even be framed as an old vs new tactics video
Great video. A tantalising prospect for next year's grand tours - which could be even better than this year's from a spectator's point of view.
Personally I'll wait a few years before deciding. It could be that Ayuso is an early bloomer in terms of climbing, both physiologically as well as in opportunity/support. Evenepoel for example never focused on climbing untill he was 20yo, the year he crashed. After that this was the first year he properly could again focus on climbing.
By the end of 2018 UAE also wasn't a GC team, more stage hunting/sprint team, only 14th in team ranking. So Pogacar likely also get less good support than Ayuso got now, he is what put UAE on the GC map and I wouldn't be surprised that the team got a cash injection because of him. Though obviously Pogacar had quite some climbing experience by 2019.
I'm not sure, but Uijtdebroeks also didn't seem to have a lot of climbing experience before this year. Which might be quite normal considering there aren't any mountains around Belgium to train on.
We'll see in the next few years what he'll bring vs others
Thanks! Plesant things to contemplate while looking towards warmer days needed...
this power reminds me of the young Jan Ullrich
Great analysis, please more! 👍
As always like your technical analysis 😊. Keep em coming 👏👏❄️🚴♀️🚴♀️🚴♀️🚴♀️🚴♀️🚴♀️🚴♀️🚴♀️🚴♀️
Thanks. Would like to see one on Leo Hayter's Baby Giro performance this year.
completely agree. I think with a good team lead-in to the climb you could stay with the front a lot longer
Aaaaaahhhhhhh...Feels like it's been ages since one of these :)
man's had to do that shit on a cinelli monstertruck, now that's impressive
Since I watched the podcast from Dr. Inigo san Millan, I fully understand with no doubts of dopage or any enhancing drugs how UAE cyclists improve.
I am an amateur cyclist with 4 days/week (3hours) of training and I recently did 5.1W/kg (I weight 80.8kg with 6' 01").
The watts Ayuso is putting are enormous, UAE need to replace their cycling tactical manager to win all races there are for the peloton.
(Bad point about the Inigo's program is you need a recovery period of at least a minute in zone 2 to jump back to zone 4, this is where Tadej Poggi was dropped by Wout van Aert and lost to Jonas Vingegaard on stage 18 of Tour de France).
Ayuso too showed that on the Sierra Nevada where after a minute, he came back strong again and even did a top mountain sprint.
What's that about the z2 recovery period? What kinds of efforts are we talking about? Long climbs where you go a bit above threshold, then recover for a minute and then back to threshold?
@@ThisIsANameBruh For Poggi, he goes up z5 and limit z4, then he drops back at z2 for a fully recovery. Give him 30 nor more than 50 and he drops you.
I am excited about this guy
Boom LR let’s go
Vamos
and a smart guy with the narrow handlebars
Ok so the question becomes: where should he go? He won’t get leadership/full team support at UAE will he? Maybe he has to prove he can do it on his own like Pogacar before the team really commits to helping him.
Hey Lantern,
How about Jan Christen, also in the UAE Team?
I just worry he isn't a team player, not saying he should be if he is the strongest, but being a d!ck doesn't get your teammates to pull gaps back on cobbled/crosswind tour de france stages during the first week.
Him sitting in the bunch in Catalunya when Higuita and Carapaz pulled away was pretty bad. He cared about his 4th place more than Almeida's lead. Especially with a flat finish where he would've finished in the peloton anyway, that was a pretty selfish move.
Hey Lanterne, I'm interested in languages and linguistics, and in the video you mentioned "Catalunya (Catalonia) near me" and I was reminded that you live in that region as of recent years. Are you learning the Catalan language and Castilian Spanish concurrently? I can't recall where exactly you are based - is it Andorra in the north, Barcelona in the southern region of Catalonia, or another location? Main question: in your locale (and in Catalonia as you currently experience it), do you observe Catalan being used exclusively among native Catalan speakers in all modalities of language, or do you see situational code-mixing or code-switching into Castilian Spanish depending on the topic, or on the interlocutor? Thanks for the great content, as always.
I am based in Andorra and am not in Catalunya itself that much. Catalan is used primarily in Catalunya outside of Barcelona, particularly in the places on the other side of the Andorran border like La Seu d'Urgell. In Andorra its the national language and all signs or shop advertising has to be in Catalan I think. Catalan speakers will always speak Catalan when speaking with each other, they will not mix in Spanish from what I have seen - the languages are not mutually intelligble. Exceptions would be at the local bakery in Andorra where for example they know I can understand strongly contextual Catalan and so will just speak to me in Catalan even though I can only speak Spanish at the moment
@@LanterneRougeCycling Very cool and interesting. Thank you for taking the time to reply! And buenas suerte with your Spanish language learning and life abroad in Andorra 🇦🇩
I am always stunned when I see riders pulling for Remco. Why would they? In the end they always get dropped
Sporting that Cinelli, oh yessss....
Raw talent, needs tempered, most greats didnt do great things until older. D. Sportif needs to keep their matches and allow them to grow, its the HEAD and the legs remember.
That cinelli is so sick
He's going to podium the TDF with Pogacar on his team? Top ten would be impressive as a top lieutenant but podium seems unlikely with depth of field. Just being realistic.
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If he's good in the cold & wet, then why not target the Giro? I forget if this year's course profile would suit a pure climber or if this is the year for a time trialist to win...
There are i think 70 kilometers of time trials but also huge climbs where you can create large gaps. Still I think the Tour with shorter more explosive climbs and fewer time trialing should suit him better.
@@elonif4125 thanks for the correction!
Lamperti is still a teenager. He’s not technically a climber, but he has a climbing oriented background. Around here, if you can’t climb, you aint
Most these guys appear to be in the 6 ft height category. Yet the bikes are all small frame.
Teenage yes, but under 21, i believe that goes to Le Cannibale, i may be wrong, but i think he was only 20 when he destroyed everyone on the Bloc Haus in his first Giro. As i said, i'm not 100% on his age.
The chosen one😉
was Jan Ullrich ;)
McNulty is still the best climber in UAE behind Pog. Ive been a fan of him since he did that 6.6w/kg for 25 mins lol and destroyed hundreds of riders.
That was an echelon calculation.
Dr. Inigo San Millan stated no one of his knowledge is doing 6.3W/kg for 30 minutes.
And the power data of the peleton is strictly confidential(only he and the UAE riders know of.)
Hell no , Mcnulty is nowhere near Juan Ayuso
@@sinisteraura5885 Ayuso is not what people think he is. He has alot to develop
I wonder how upset the older generation of riders are that they were kept on the back burner until 27 for grand tours etc.
Seems the younger the better now.
Many top pros just wasted their best years.
Sad now that we know.
Yiuth wins cycling races.
You also need to put it in perspective, the last few years/decade there was a lot of advancement in scouting for talent, guiding them, better data, ... Also these young riders now coming up tend to be big talents that maybe in the past were more 'missed'. There are still plenty of riders now that don't achieve their best results/better form untill they are 24-26 yo.
@@MDP1702 Where? all the top riders are now younger every single last one.
The technology improvement is the key. Ceramic bearing forexample, which allows you to maintain the same speed on a flat for two minutes (Conti 5000s tyres with Mavic Carbon x wheels). This makes the need of Watts less, hence muscles at age of 19 can manage a 200km high pace ride.
In 2000's where everything was steel, you need to put in atleast 300 Watts on a flat to maintain the peloton speed.
@@glywnniswells9480 Only 5 riders in the top 25 UCI rankings are younger than 25 if I am correct: Pogacar (24), Evenepoel (nearly 23), De Lie (20), Girmay (22) and Ayuso (20 at place 25). And De Lie is mostly from point farming in smaller races.
@@luzzyrogue Could play some role but 300 is way to large. If the peloton travels 45 km/h, you need around 150-200 watts on average if you are in a good position. I really doubt that just the wheels would double that number.
I'd be a fan if he weren't riding for Gianetti.
Would Brailsford be a better choice? :D
@@chrisko6439 Anyone would be better. He almost killed himself as a rider and he was the sports director of Ricco, Piepoli and Cobo. It is inconceivable that this guy is still part of pro cycling.
Me watching the Video on the day when Ayuso got dropped after 2km 😞
LeMond was the best teenage climber ever. No teenager has matched his accomplishments going uphills.
The next USA GT winner since the great Chris Horner. He should do Giro next year, he beats Remco at it.
I believe the new biometric passport for riders by the UCI is flaude if you can juice up before when your an amateur and cheat the system every year the riders get younger and younger
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You have a very short memory - or are just too young to remember. Comparing today's cyclists and the machines that they ride with the heavy steel that we used to lug uphill is pointless - unless you have structured, detaled, data. Road surfaces, tyre composition, diet and physiology - all have changed considerably since we rode in the 1950s.
Evenepoel is really bad in climbing, why compare?
Really bad in climbing but won the Vuelta?💀
@@easy6380 yeah but because he is competing with pros who has bad climbing as well lol. Try Pogi and Jonas, this dude could hardly keep up in the few kilometers.
No. LeMond was best as a kid.
The best #teenage climber in history? Still isn’t beat Remco on multiple occasion in the vuelta. Bam.
Remco was 22 years and 8 months old at the Vuelta. Bam.
But remco didn’t have experience in gt just like ayuso and still beat him by 5 minutes
@@lahal9582 But Remco was still more developed mentally and physically by almost 3 years. He wasn't as good as Ayuso when he was 19 years and 11 months old, caspisce?
@@andrasszabo1570 Remco won the junior Belgian, European & World championship road race AND time trial at the age of 18. That's 3 times a double champion. At the age of 19 he won the Tour of Belgium and the European time trial championship. He started with the elite when he was 19 and not with the U23 like Ayuso. At the age of 20 he won the Tour of Poland, Algrave, San Juan & Burgos. At age 21 he was injured and at age 22 he's a world champion grand tour winner (also Belgian TT champion, bronze world TT champion, Tour of Norway & Algrave, etc which he arguably could've done at the age of 21 if he hadn't crashed in Lombardia). No young rider even comes close to doing what he's done.
@@pixel8596 You can't watch the video and think for a minute before instictively fanboying here? What do junior races, time trials, flat and hilly races and things he's won after he's turned 20 have to do with teenager climbing performances?
As a teenager Remco was outclimbed by the likes of Ulissi in UAE, Großschartner, Conti and Kudus in Turkey and famously had his head caved in from the level of WT climbing at the Tour of Romandie, wasn't he?
Remco's not podiumed a GT and done the climbing performances as a teenager as Ayuso has done, has he?
That's what's relevant here, not whether he became a world champion on a course where there was a bunch sprint behind him at the age 22.
By the way, forget ever, how about another young rider just a year older than Evenepoel?
Winning Avenir at 19,
winning Algarve & California and podiuming the Vuelta at 20,
winning Valencia, UAE and the Tour de France at age 21,
and winning UAE, Tirreno, Liége-Bastogne-Liége, Slovenia, the Tour de France again and Lombardia at age 22, how's that sound?
Doesn't even comes close to what Evenepoel's done? Interesting.
I'll take the 2 Tours de France alone over what Evenepoel has won so far, let alone the rest.
Remco destroy him in the vuelta
can you be more stupid ? hell no , Remco never destroyed Juan Ayuso ,Ayuso had covid 19 and flu and never got destroyed ,he's way younger , we'll see this season how things go hater
Lie
I know how hard road cycling training is to get good and he's 19 bearly out of the womb and he's shitting on everyone. 🤷 One words DRUGS can do special things
The jealousy is crazy💀 I feel bad for you, hope you’ll achieve sth in your life one day, too.
is he juiced up.Not that I care anymore. But really ?
Juan ayuso, yes