How much blame should Sam Mitchell take for Hawthorn's worrying talent stocks? - Footy Classified
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- The Footy Classified panel looks at Hawthorn following another poor performance, this time on the Gold Coast.
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2 months later, would love a review on this now 😅
This aged well
Ward and Mackenzie are both 20 years old. That’s bloody young. Have a bit more patience with those 2.
and Watson and McDonald and Seamus Mitchell and Butler, and Newcombe and Day and even CJ and Maginness -
Watching this today is inspiring… to think that following week Dylan Moore demanded the group bring their mouth guards to training.
Mitchell has always been aware and honest. What a ride
Like to see hutchy review that list now
yeah, his comments havent aged well...in the space of 3 months.
Yeh as an Eagles fan… we had very high regard for Sam Mitchell (he played one year for us… and then one year as assistant coach). He had a reputation as being incredible with the boys… was great at training, gave very useful advice.
He won 4 flags as a Hawk, played one year for us in 2017 and helped us as assistant in our 2018 premiership (in the only year he was on our staff after playing 😂). After this he left to the Hawks coaching staff
So Sam Mitchell is the right man for the job… his win percentage is a little low because Hawks don’t have the numbers to dominate after all their greats retired after the dynasty.
Their dynasty ended in 2015, and they haven’t played finals since 2018. Can’t be using “their players retired” as an excuse, it’s 2024 and they are 0-5 😂
@@Comatosedpeanut bro… I’m just speaking from my teams point of view. When Sammy left the coasters staff everyone considered it a huge loss, everyone spoke about how valuable his advice was when he was there.
I think when you look at Mitchell’s low win percentage, it’s not really representative of his coaching ability… so yeh… many people may disagree but it will take a bit of time with Hawks (I’m in the same boat with my team also). Hawthorns list is very thin at the moment with few stars so Sam hasn’t got much to work with
@@Comatosedpeanut hawks played finals in 2018..
@@Comatosedpeanut played finals in 2018 after a top 4 finish peanut
@@timjd15I stand corrected, I forgot they went out in straight sets in 2018 😂 Look at what collingwoods done since 2018, they lost that grand final and traded out multiple players on big coin, a lot of them were all Australians and best and fairest winners. They won a flag last season. So my point still stands.
this has aged well ha ha, hutchy you flog
Tackle, Tackle, Tackle... Dont think just do.!! At least you can say you did something.!!
Hutchinson and Lloyd look like a fools. Their arrogance in thinking hawks have no good youth shows they no nothing about football and simply dislike the Hawks.
The reality is when you are devoid of talent to begin with, you cant lose your spine to injuries. Will Day's injury has hurt our midfield significantly. After round 7 we get Day, Jiath, Lewis and Wingard back. We will be competitive then. Im a mad hawks supporter and bet against us every week so far.
Ok can we review this episode now please boys💁🏼
Not saying Mitchell is no good. But obviously Cane got over exited about him and maybe Mitchill is just realising where the Hawks are actually at.
Hawks stuffed up after 2016 finals tried patching up with Vickety, then got Wingard, O Meara, Mitchell, Patton and Scully. They made bad decisions. Unfortunately Clarko left Mitchell with a mess.
@@ZELJKO472100% 👍
@@ZELJKO472 The old top up game. Buys you a few years winning a bit......... can work for some. Geelong keeps on keeping on, some how. Lets see what Clarko can do with Norths bottom up re-build, thats all ready had major set backs, out of his control.
@@ZELJKO472oh yeah how bad was Vickery!!!
He was terrible
@@Olsnedzythat was simply a HORRIBLE decision
This is why it is such a catastrophe when you overrate your list and start trading out lots of draft picks.
It takes years and years to recover and there is no short cut unless you get really lucky.
Yeah? Years and years?
@@eldoroonie Yes. This would have been Hawthorn's sixth year in a row outside the 8.
Two weeks ago the same talking heads were saying 'we proved we can compete with the best in bursts'. A week is a long time in footy buy two weeks is like a millennium!
It might just be me but we seem terribly short in hight, it's as if theres 12 forward pockets on the ground at all times. Physically undersized too but thats understandable given a lot of them are still 'boys'.
First player we need to move on at the end of the season is Mitchell Lewis. Absolute squib, loves prancing around the 50 thinking he's Wayne Carey, which he's faaaaaar from, he's just soft asf.
And Chol? I mean he’s a suburban club player at best
Chol's work at getting to key contests is absolutely atrocious, especially when you consider he's the only key tall fwd in the 22 at the moment. I can see why Hardwick got rid of him twice, incredibly frustrating player. Does some great looking stuff but does the fundamentals very poorly.
@@jsequine927 couldn’t agree more. I also feel Lewis’s game will suffer unless chol doesn’t move further up the ground and play maybe a traditional centre half forward.
This did it age well small forwards are dominating
This is hilarious to watch on the eve of finals. Any wonder I call this show Footy Crucified 😂😂.
It’s funny coming back to these videos after round 24 2024 😂
I feel too much credit is being taken away from Gold Coast here, too much on why hawks lost and not on why Gold Coast won. Two teams at different parts of their own processes.
Well said
These comments are way to premature. Hawthorn has 7-10 of its starting 22 out. Yes, at least 4-6 of those are average players, but CJ, Day, Wingard, Wiz, Blanck and DGB bring run, carry and structure. Breust and Gunston bring some maturity as well. I think the second half of the year will be very different for the Hawks. They are two years into a deep rebuild and lack depth and cannot handle injuries. They have also played Collingwood, Geelong, Melbourne - all potential top 4 teams. Gold Coast and Essendon are no slouches either. They would have beaten Collingwood if the game went for another minute, and they were not far off with Essendon.
Bottom line - they are one of the most successful clubs of this era, and held on for glory too long and didn't rebuild early enough. They are now paying the price, but I think most people would agree they are not at the level of NM or WC. And with two more drafts and some luck with injuries, they can be a very dangerous team.
If they are at full strength and were having losses like this then fair enough, but I think we are asking a lot of a young team just five games into a season with a very hard draw.
Am I crazy for thinking this?
Also, carn the Blues!
I should add, I actually am a bit worried when we play the Hawks. If you watch their games, they are incredibly dangerous when they get a run on. They have flair, creativity and dare and are a very competitive, young group who are galvanized. I think they are closer to a flag then most of the other teams in the bottom eight maybe bar Essendon and the Suns and would not be surprised if they turned it around within 24 months and became a genuine threat.
The tanking strategy only works, when you get afl compo or you get lucky with f/s and academy.
So a Gold Coast beats hawthorn and suddenly they’re a great team, but Essendon flogs the bulldogs and they don’t get mentioned, only how bad the dogs are?
They only won against bulldogs plus they had the needle's about
Essington fans...the eternal victims 😂
Nothing to do with teams just media headline grabbing.
The port game damage is still there, they are not challenging. Proud essington fan here.
Compare essendon list to bulldogs. Bulldog are a fair more talented list than essendon hence why losing to essendon was more on them. Gold coast have more talent than hawthorn
You get smashed and it becomes an instant pile on, but lacking midfield depth is where it's hurt them most, but the list is still very young, and kids like Weddle and DiAmbrosio have actually been in their best this year. Grainger Barrass is a bust but I dont think they could trade him even when they tried, and Mitchell wasn't the one who drafted him.
Hawks have played bombers who are in year 22 of a rebuild and should be playing finals
Dees who are top 4
Cats who won a flag 2 years ago and are a top end side
Pies who are premiers
GC who've had 30,000 picks and are ten years into development.
Not sure why anyone expected different results. Especially considering theyre down a few players too.
If your name is “Denver” I would be questioning the way you were raised for starters.
Not often I'll agree with Kane Cornes. Very happy with Sam Mitchell. Has a plan and with all young teams there will be hiccups.
Evrey young team has a bad game we really should 2-3 we should’ve bet Essendon we just missed our chances we colic bet Geelong the wiz and Breust kick we could have had a shot and we were one Connor MacDonald kick away no need to go crazy yet unless we lose to North Melbourne
Don't worry, you won't lose to North. I had hoped for improvement, but I can't believe how uncompetitive we are. After Hawthorn we'll know exactly how bad it is because the excuse of only playing against the top clubs so far won't be there anymore.
Bro idk. The way we are playing at the moment I feel we might lose against the Roos. I love the hawks but boy oh boy we ain’t playing our best footy this year without our core leaders and young guns underperforming
This shed horribly
Hutchy 😂😂. Aged well. 'Aww list management'. 'Aww Sam Mitchell to be blame.
Taste it Hutchy
The week before they almost beat the reigning premiers, can we calm down a little bit.. they've won 4 premierships in the last 16 years, I'm sure they will be okay
In 2005, the Bombers had won 4 premierships in 16 years. Melbourne were one the most successful clubs until a little dip of 60 odd years. These things don't just happen because you were successful.
I'm watching this the week Hawthorn made the 8.
Super satisfying watching this now 😂
We have at least 6players are vfl standard thats it. Recruiting wrong again.
Kane Hok shares are now trading above Bitcoin.
This hasn’t aged well
Rebuilds are not easy, trust me, I know, I've seen 5 rebuilds in 3 years with my team.
Kane has double standards and is full of hypocrisy when it comes to him defending 'Genius' Sam Mitchell. It's never Sam Mitchell's fault for list management, yet blames Damien Hardwick for list management. Hawthorn has gone backwards, yet he is still calling Sam a genius. I think Kane is brown nosing Sam because he comes on his Friday morning show. Kane has no credibility on football.
Denver Granger-Barras..another hyphenated name, why is it that very few players with hyphenated names become stars, I can only think of a handful... so many that failed
Alt coins are dead the Bitcoin etf destroyed alt coins
hay kane do remember jay from sacred heart thats my dad my name is james karlee is my mums name do you also remember karlee
Mitchell's EGO will put Hawthorn back a decade.
Couldn't happen to a better club, except maybe Carlton 😀
you sure?
@@nehankaranch2149
No, and good on him for having the courage to do what needs to be done.
@@fademan77Aaaaaaaand the hawks are back.
Yeah???? ☺
With the power of hindsight, the way Sam took the job from Clarko suggests an element of hubris that can lead to major undoing, and it has.
Lol.
Major undoing indeed. Premature ejaculations galore in these comments
Mitchell is only there for the money not the club he has gone the wrong way about rebuilding 🤦
How do you make up such stupid statements. Why is he there for the money. What has he done wrong with the rebuilding.
@@nathand4500 can think of every possible way that he has failed to rebuild this club 🤦
@@chriscoyne4827 who didnt he draft that he could have? Weddle, mckenzie, watson all stars of the future. Is your idea that he shoulve tanked last year instead of beating both grand finalists so we got a higher pick. Id rather be a club with heart that fights till the end than a club like north who tanks to accelerate a rebuild
@@aarongould1485 dud dud dud then you got the dud ginnivan biggest let down. Then you decided to have the other dud back from loins he hasn't done nothing at all. North will be in a finals way before Hawks get there. Getting smashed by gold coast is on another level if your ok with that then dam 🤦
@@chriscoyne4827 be specific.
He is a bum.
You were saying?
Has Kane gone from going easy on Port in 23 to making excuses for Hawks in 2024 he is a serial excuse maker for his chosen coaches to defend. Every club has injuries to deal with.
a club so hell bent on getting rid of clarko they chose someone not up to it ,,Well done scar face jeff kennet... your the reason
Is he still up to it? 😂
@@jj45455 well done proved everyone wrong ....he flicked a switch ..
@@jj45455 mind you where have you been hiding ? just popped up now they are winning hehehe .... keyboard supporter i rekon ?
@@davidlatham1977 Last year I was literally saying we could win the flag in 2025😂
And I’ve got receipts.
@@jj45455 that's next year are you a clairvoyant ?
Doesn't something have to on track to come off track 😕
You were saying?